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ArbitraryC posted:As a bisexual person I am willing to sleep with people who have a penis and people who have a vagina and my willingness is based on the individual person, what more does pansexual add to that?
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Kit Walker posted:I fixed it for you. Hope this helps. Disagreed. Most people are just boring about being emotionally broken on some level.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:40 |
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ArbitraryC posted:As a bisexual guy I'd really like to hear the explanation why this is significant. I identify as bisexual because I find both the male and female biological body potentially attractive. Of course even for a hot body if the personality is lovely I won't want to long term date them. Does being attracted to the personality and not just the body make me pansexual? If so I feel like a lot of straight people are also pansexual. Pansexuals are also willing to sleep with trans people, intersex people, and anyone else who doesn't fall into the male/female dichotomy.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:41 |
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Kit Walker posted:Pansexuals are also willing to sleep with trans people, intersex people, and anyone else who doesn't fall into the male/female dichotomy.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:44 |
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I really don't understand the grey-a thing. They are people who don't want to have sex all the time? That's not a community, that is not always wanting to have sex. It reminds me of the barefoot-lifestylist thread in A/T a while back. It's not a lifestyle, you just don't have shoes on.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:44 |
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angerbot posted:I really don't understand the grey-a thing. They are people who don't want to have sex all the time? That's not a community, that is not always wanting to have sex.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:48 |
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Earwicker posted:It's been around for a while. There's been many threads about it here. It's probably getting more attention now because the internet is more mainstream. I'd also bring up that it's on a more "mainstream" website. Tumblr today is much more popular, to many more different types of people than DeviantArt a la 2005, the previous big otherkin hub.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:50 |
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ArbitraryC posted:This was something I was curious about too, it seems like you're either asexual or your sexual. Either you don't ever want to have sex or you do, it's as simple as that. Sex havers obviously have different levels of libido but do we really need a separate label for "sex havers who prefer to have it less frequently" than "sex havers that prefer to have it more frequently". I mean we already have plenty of words to describe that, do people at different levels really need to label themselves as a different category rather than just as a magnitude? I'm gonna guess they dislike such 'spectrums' ever since it was proposed that Asperger's be eliminated as a diagnosis and just be fully a part of Autism Spectrum Disorder. Besides, it's harder to pigeon-hole your special snowflakeyness if you don't have discrete categories.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 00:59 |
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ArbitraryC posted:As a bisexual guy I'd really like to hear the explanation why this is significant. I identify as bisexual because I find both the male and female biological body potentially attractive. Of course even for a hot body if the personality is lovely I won't want to long term date them. Does being attracted to the personality and not just the body make me pansexual? If so I feel like a lot of straight people are also pansexual. I mean, the short answer is that no one really has to justify their sexual identity to you. Historically speaking, homosexual and bisexual identities are a fairly recent innovation (as opposed to homosexual acts). But it's not necessarily significant at all, though bisexuality allows for the carve-out whereas pansexual doesn't. Sexual identity is far from my area of expertise (which is why I pretty much just defer to individuals in terms of putting forth their own definitions), but pansexuality as far as I know is about body/gender presentation being unrelated to the attraction as opposed to part of the attraction. I mean, sure people going around proclaiming their pansexuality may be attention-seekers, but poo poo the same has been said about plenty of identifying bisexuals. Who gives a poo poo? Just don't be an rear end in a top hat.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:01 |
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This is fuckin sweet. Another multipage derail by dipshit nerds about the causes and theory of the idiot minds that make this poo poo. This is way more interesting and cool than finding weird posts and making fun of them and hating on the authors
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:04 |
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Glambagss posted:This is fuckin sweet. Another multipage derail by dipshit nerds about the causes and theory of the idiot minds that make this poo poo. This is way more interesting and cool than finding weird posts and making fun of them and hating on the authors It is actually very fucken sweet and I dislike the tone you're taking about boring nerd poo poo!
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:06 |
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ArbitraryC posted:This was something I was curious about too, it seems like you're either asexual or your sexual. Either you don't ever want to have sex or you do, it's as simple as that. Sex havers obviously have different levels of libido but do we really need a separate label for "sex havers who prefer to have it less frequently" than "sex havers that prefer to have it more frequently". I mean we already have plenty of words to describe that, do people at different levels really need to label themselves as a different category rather than just as a magnitude? I wonder how much of "grey-asexual" is just sour grapes. They're nuts so they don't get to have as much sex as the rest of us, so they pretend they didn't want it anyway. Helps them sleep better at night. 
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Ruder posted:It is actually very fucken sweet and I dislike the tone you're taking about boring nerd poo poo! I'm sorry. Though I am also a nerd, bad posting and incessant goon psychology like this makes me bored and antsy, causing me to lash out against my fellow goons.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:08 |
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The Warszawa posted:I mean, the short answer is that no one really has to justify their sexual identity to you. Historically speaking, homosexual and bisexual identities are a fairly recent innovation (as opposed to homosexual acts). I have yet to ever encounter a bisexual person who was like "you know I enjoy dicks, and I enjoy pussy, but when someone with a dick wishes they had a pussy or vice versa, I just can't find myself sexually aroused". It just seems like an incredibly needless term. I mean sure if you want to tell me I'm technically pansexual rather than bisexual fine but it just seems pedantic and unneccessary. I'd be legitimately surprised to find out that a significant number of bisexual people wouldn't technically be considered pansexual.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:15 |
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ArbitraryC posted:I just feel like the mere existance of the term pansexual is an implication that people who label themselves as bisexual are somehow bigoted against transexual people. Being bisexual means you both enjoy the female and male body and it's not like there's a large number of people out there who aren't either. Dude who cares?
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:18 |
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Glambagss posted:Dude who cares?
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:25 |
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You will learn nothing from this thread that isn't already immediately apparent to anyone who thinks about a topic for greater than a minute. You should try being less super serious about really inane poo poo haha
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:28 |
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ArbitraryC posted:I just feel like the mere existance of the term pansexual is an implication that people who label themselves as bisexual are somehow bigoted against transexual people. Being bisexual means you both enjoy the female and male body and it's not like there's a large number of people out there who aren't either. Are you also okay with sleeping with intersex people? Guys with tits? Hermaphrodites? People with any of a large number of other conditions that put them outside of the two sex split we're all used to? If you are, congrats you're pansexual. If not, you're bisexual. It's not bigotry to not be sexually attracted to some type of individual any more than I am a misandrist for not wanting to bone dudes.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:48 |
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If you're going to be a gigantic whiny babbykin about people not making fun of crazies enough, ya know what you should do? Make some loving fun of some crazies, for god's sake and stop your belly achin'. So my mother is demisexual, apparently, and doesn’t know it Look at all this youth privilege, not realizing their mom is in fact a menopausesexual. The bigot. I should start taking otherkin hate paragraphs and change the nouns so they fit another minority. "And then weep in the basement when otherkin get mad at me for not using the correct nouns that they made up just yesterday and send me Google Earth pictures of my house." I’m a demonkin who’s primary form is a naga/winged serpent. "I only choose to present myself to the world in the form of a 400 lbs. greasy, pasty neckbeard to make things comfortable for you pathetic mortals."
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 01:54 |
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Kit Walker posted:Are you also okay with sleeping with intersex people? Guys with tits? Hermaphrodites? People with any of a large number of other conditions that put them outside of the two sex split we're all used to? If you are, congrats you're pansexual. If not, you're bisexual. It's not bigotry to not be sexually attracted to some type of individual any more than I am a misandrist for not wanting to bone dudes. I dunno, I'm not really arguing that there are legitimate uses in the medical and psychiatry communities, it just immediately sets off a red flag for me whenever I hear someone use it because it just seems like something you say for appearances rather than actual preferences. The way the majority of people claiming to be pansexual use the term seems to be the way the majority of people claiming to be bisexual actually lead their lives. e: vvv I don't consider myself pansexual and the majority of my posts are implying that people who openly state they are are full of poo poo, I really dunno how you got that I thought I was a pansexual genderqueer snowflake out of my posts that consisted almost entirely of criticizing people who were claiming poo poo they weren't in an attempt to appear more pc. vvv
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Ok. It has its uses though, as a dozen other posts directed to you have pointed out. I don't think many people care about your take on pansexuality vs. bisexuality, but for some other people it's distinction is important. We get it, you're pansexual, whatever, can we go back to making fun of freaks, rather than having you explain to us what a uniquely awesome pansexual bisexual bro you really are? However: If you'd like to find a community where people might want to discuss, in excruciating detail, the ins and outs of various terminologies, I hear there's a site called 'tumblr' where likeminded people can congregate to discuss the minutia to death.
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Kit Walker posted:Are you also okay with sleeping with intersex people? Guys with tits? Hermaphrodites? People with any of a large number of other conditions that put them outside of the two sex split we're all used to? If you are, congrats you're pansexual. If not, you're bisexual. It's not bigotry to not be sexually attracted to some type of individual any more than I am a misandrist for not wanting to bone dudes. Alright, but what if it's only some of the above? What if you're attracted to guys, girls, guys with boobs, but not girls with dicks? By your definition that would strand you somewhere between bisexual and pansexual. Does this new sexual preference need a name? Does every single little difference between sexualities need to be categorized, alphabetized and filed away in some semen-soaked card catalogue somewhere? I guess what I'm asking is if "pansexual" and "bisexual" can be considered opposite ends of a spectrum, why the gently caress can't we just call the whole thing a (bi)sexual-spectrum and leave it the gently caress alone?
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ArbitraryC posted:Are there really a significant number of people like this though? It seems to me like there might literally be more people who identify as pansexual than people you would have to identify as pansexual to be attracted to. Hermaphrodites are a medical rarity. It seems more commonly used in context of genderqueer stuff. I would actually venture a guess that a lot of the special snowflakes who identify as pansexual would be fairly hesitant to go down on someone with a clit the size of a dick. Yeah it is more commonly used in the context of genderqueer because genderqueer is just more common, but pansexuality is supposed to run the full spectrum. I've got a friend who is bi but she has only slept with girls. That doesn't make her a lesbian. MrGreenShirt posted:Alright, but what if it's only some of the above? What if you're attracted to guys, girls, guys with boobs, but not girls with dicks? By your definition that would strand you somewhere between bisexual and pansexual. Does this new sexual preference need a name? Does every single little difference between sexualities need to be categorized, alphabetized and filed away in some semen-soaked card catalogue somewhere? Yeah I suppose it would strand the person somewhere in between but I can at least see the utility in having a catch-all term. Homosexual and heterosexual are both very common, bisexual encompasses both, and pansexual encompasses all that and everything else. I don't really know or care about other divisions. I don't think they're common enough to warrant a word for them but if someone comes up with something and it ends up having enough use then I'm sure it'll work its way into the common vernacular at some point.
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MrGreenShirt posted:Alright, but what if it's only some of the above? What if you're attracted to guys, girls, guys with boobs, but not girls with dicks? By your definition that would strand you somewhere between bisexual and pansexual. Does this new sexual preference need a name? Does every single little difference between sexualities need to be categorized, alphabetized and filed away in some semen-soaked card catalogue somewhere? That's pretty much why we let people define their own sexualities. Pansexuality has a lot to do with gender presentation, not necessarily just sex organs. Some people don't care about gender presentation at all and are just interested in what's between your legs, and that's cool. People who call themselves pansexual generally do consider gender presentation to be a thing that affects their attraction, and they're into basically every possibility. I still think things like "demisexual" are silly, but I'll happily respect pansexual and/or queer. Maybe it's just my personal comfort zone. Maybe my grandkids will hate me for not respecting their demiromantic grey-A identities. (Also a lot of people and theorists do consider sexuality a spectrum) TumblrTXT posted:I actually snarled at my cat. teeth baring and everything. It was a natural reaction and my mind went into thinking like an animal
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You know those incredibly specific, unfunny meme animals? Multiples have one(?). http://fyeahmultiplemanta.tumblr.com/ Multiple Manta is accompanied by Otherkin Octopus, Fictive Flounder, and Singlet Stingray.  e: Following a link from there led me to "Living Plural". On their "Multiple Etiquette" page: quote:Multiple Etiquette
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Yo, imma blob posted:You know those incredibly specific, unfunny meme animals? Multiples have one(?). http://fyeahmultiplemanta.tumblr.com/    [tw: identity invalidation, ableism]  Best thing I ever put on my Google Reader.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 03:22 |
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Kit Walker posted:Yeah it is more commonly used in the context of genderqueer because genderqueer is just more common, but pansexuality is supposed to run the full spectrum. I've got a friend who is bi but she has only slept with girls. That doesn't make her a lesbian. I would be legit surprised if the majority of people claiming to be pansexual would be willing to date an actual hermaphrodite over other options if push came to shove, does this make me a bigot or is this an accurate appraisal of the phenomena? This isn't meant to be a snarky rhetorical question it was just kind of a situation where I was judging everyone involved and paused for a moment to think maybe I was the bad person here for just assuming it was blatant attention whoring.
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ArbitraryC posted:I just really don't feel from personal experience that a bisexual person would have any problem or qualm with such a person which makes me feel the distinction is questionable at best and self felating at worst. A lot of people, even within the LGB community, wouldn't be comfortable with dating a trans or genderqueer person. For some, regarding trans people (genderqueer being a rather different thing entirely) the distinction is pre- vs post-op. For others, they're uncomfortable with the entire concept. It's great that you don't have these boundaries, but many people do. That's why people who use the term pansexual feel it needs to be distinguished. ETA:  
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Stop arguing with each-other over the semantics of pansexual, let's just agree it's kind of a thing and move on. It doesn't help either mocking these people or the discussion of why they're so crazy.
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Why wouldn't you want to gently caress Alf? I actually snarled at my cat. teeth baring and everything. It was a natural reaction and my mind went into thinking like an animal One of these is something from TumblrTXT, the other is Goons_TXT. Are you a bad enough dude to tell the difference?
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 05:00 |
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Since discrimination is the worst crime imaginable, bisexual is better than gay or straight. Pansexual is better than everything else. That is why all these dudes keep saying they are pansexual. They are not actually pansexual and they likely haven't thought in detail about the literal meaning of the term or why they feel the need to use it.  e: I'd love to see how fast any of these gently caress ups drop the act if someone started treating them as a legit wolf. By shooting them, because it's a loving wolf walking around in a suburb.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 05:01 |
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 Wait, they order stuff under false names for their false identities? That seems like it could cause so many problems I would love to see them explain. Landlord thinks you have five roomates. Post office holds your package because you were away for a week, (psychiatric care) and you need ID to pick it up. Mail fraud? Sacro posted:e: I'd love to see how fast any of these gently caress ups drop the act if someone started treating them as a legit wolf. By shooting them, because it's a loving wolf walking around in a suburb.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 05:52 |
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Sacro posted:Since discrimination is the worst crime imaginable, bisexual is better than gay or straight. Pansexual is better than everything else. That is why all these dudes keep saying they are pansexual. They are not actually pansexual and they likely haven't thought in detail about the literal meaning of the term or why they feel the need to use it. I'd say this is probably true for some, but there are probably people who like 'panseual' because they legitimately find it a good fit. I have no strong opinion one way or the other- I guess I have no problem with that one. I agree though, I say we acknowledge transspecies and otherkin. By putting them in zoos. I can't see anything wrong with that. Though they might find real wolves are also pretty discriminatory and triggering sometimes.
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Yo, imma blob posted:You know those incredibly specific, unfunny meme animals? Multiples have one(?). http://fyeahmultiplemanta.tumblr.com/ I've picked up two new terms from this, A "front", or "to front" refers to the personality who takes dominance or whatever. Sometimes the wrong one comes out, ha ha, awk-WARD! A "system" is how to refer to someone with a bunch of "headmates" Now I can understand the batshit insane better, thanks memes. Edit: According to Otherkin Octopus, being an otherkin can give you abilities beyond human norms, like seeing the UV part of the spectrum. I'm not sure what's harder to believe, that people are posting these unironically, or that people are following it unironically.
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