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Thundercracker posted:I have no dog in this fight, but if you're going to act indignant than at least put the price of a matinee on it. Otherwise, your words are the wind. No, I'm gonna go with the sane, empathizing human being route, thanks.
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Petr posted:What the gently caress is this supposed to mean, you worthless waste of air? It's true. You read a vague description of a crime and immediately assume, because of your fear-based, lizard-brain just world reflex, that the victim is making it up. Now, going by the number of gaybashing hate crimes versus the number of gaybashing hoaxes, this is an extreme long shot position. This case doesn't fit any of the generic profiles for gay bashing incidents. The amount of forward preparation required for this case (multiple offenders with masks, zip-ties, knives, spray-paint, petrol, matches) suggests a high level of premeditation. This isn't consistent with the majority of gay bashing incidents which are usually spontaneous and induced by rage or alcohol. Pointing this out isn't venomous, vile, or idiotic.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:43 |
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I think that those claiming that it's a fake are terrified by the massive support this girl is having as if it were Pro-Homosexual support.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:44 |
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Sorry Quiltbag crew, this one sounds like a faker.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:45 |
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Here's the local news coverage on it http://www.ketv.com/news/local-news...sz/-/index.html
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:45 |
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Miguel Angel Face posted:Pointing this out isn't venomous, vile, or idiotic. No, it's just callous and stupid.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:47 |
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Thundercracker posted:I have no dog in this fight, but if you're going to act indignant than at least put the price of a matinee on it. Otherwise, your words are the wind. Pretty much this. I mean, people are being shouted down for suggesting the POSSIBILITY of a hoax, while some are convinced that this must be, absolutely is, the truth. Really, as sad a commentary on society as it is(whether her claims are true or false), we do not have enough to go on to say either way. Not yet. Those who are CONVINCED that this is true, if you are so sure of yourselves, toxx. Me, I'm waiting to see what comes to light. Do I believe that people are capable of a hateful, disgusting, senseless act of violence based on gender and sexuality? Of course. Do I think people are capable of faking such a crime? Yep. I say this as the son of a lesbian, and the friend of another.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:49 |
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Lady Charlemagne posted:e: The police have not, to my knowledge, stated that there is no forensic evidence. That would be a ridiculous statement for them to make. There's going to be physical evidence of some description at the scene. Once that physical evidence is analysed it may support the victim's report, be inconclusive, or refute the victim's report.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:52 |
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I don't really want to make an internet bet on whether someone was the victim of a horrible crime or just making up being the victim of a horrible crime. I am pretty sure I am allowed to argue without throwing down cash. e: ^^ yeah, I know. The guy seemed to think that no discussion of forensic evidence in the news = the cops haven't found any. e2: \/\/ yeah, I wasn't sure how to say it but it just seems like toxxing about this would be kind of gross.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:53 |
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:Those who are CONVINCED that this is true, if you are so sure of yourselves, toxx. I don't know who disturbs me more: the ones trying to say it's all a fake or the ones trying to make it into a sideshow.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:54 |
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:Pretty much this. I mean, people are being shouted down for suggesting the POSSIBILITY of a hoax, while some are convinced that this must be, absolutely is, the truth. Really, as sad a commentary on society as it is(whether her claims are true or false), we do not have enough to go on to say either way. Not yet. No, people are being shouted down for going towards the possibility of a hoax almost immediately, which is a pretty common response among people because they believe in a just world and don't want to think that blatant, "old school" bigotted poo poo still happens. Yes there is a possiblity of this being a hoax. No, it's not very likely. Yes, immediately going to that means you're a fuckhead.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:56 |
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"Turns out she really was horribly assaulted and slashed with knives by homophobes, I win!"
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:57 |
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:Pretty much this. I mean, people are being shouted down for suggesting the POSSIBILITY of a hoax, while some are convinced that this must be, absolutely is, the truth. Really, as sad a commentary on society as it is(whether her claims are true or false), we do not have enough to go on to say either way. Not yet. No one is really saying that it must be the truth but there's alot of people who strongly disagree with the idea that it's okay to suspect a victim of being a fake because you have a feeling or that it doesn't fit your perceived notion of what a hate crime should entail. This strange bullshit about putting money down is stupid as hell and I don't get why you people have latched onto it as some way to backup your arguments. You should really try to avoid finding yourself in the "just asking questions" side of the argument as much as possible.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:58 |
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Paint-Drinking Pete posted:"Turns out she really was horribly assaulted and slashed with knives by homophobes, I win!" Whoever wins, humanity loses.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:58 |
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It's definitely in bad taste to issue a toxx over an issue like this. If it does turn out to be a hoax, then we can move on with our lives and have the thread gassed. If it's not a hoax, then we can continue fearing for our gay loved ones and helping them buy bigger, stronger locks for their doors while hugging them reassuringly 
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 04:58 |
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I'm more just genuinely confused as to why people would doubt it right now, in this case. What's the point? Why come out questioning this now? I'm not saying people shouldn't question things, I just don't know why they would question something like this at this point in time. It's not some big conspiracy that could harm us in some way if we believe it. There's nothing to be gained from questioning this amidst the outpour of sympathy and support, and nothing to be lost from believing her if she's lying about it. The only reasons I can come up with for it are kinda petty, I think.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:00 |
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Viridiant posted:The only reasons I can come up for it are kinda petty, I think. Normally I'd say it was homophobia, but in this case it's autism.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:03 |
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gnarlyhotep posted:Normally I'd say it was homophobia, but in this case it's autism. Cynicism? It's a sick world.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:04 |
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gnarlyhotep posted:Normally I'd say it was homophobia, but in this case it's autism. I think this thread is pretty clear evidence that those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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NoneSuch posted:I don't get why you people have latched onto it as some way to backup your arguments. I am not arguing that she was or was not assaulted. The only thing I am assuming toi be true at this point is that she WAS injured, her apartment WAS on fire, and that she is claiming to have been victimized. This may be true. It may not. I really don't know. Either way, it's really sad.
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Viridiant posted:I'm more just genuinely confused as to why people would doubt it right now, in this case. What's the point? Why come out questioning this now? The only reason I have any doubt about it is the words carved into the flesh thing. There have been so many cases of people doing it to themselves and so few cases of actual attackers doing it that it rings alarm bells with me. It's pretty pointless to speculate until more information comes out though.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:06 |
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Don't make light of autism. It's an actual condition people have, not just something we accuse dumb people on the internet of having. Please and thank you. Also, don't accuse victims of assault of committing a hoax unless you have evidence. e: re-worded for grammatical purposes
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Viridiant posted:I'm more just genuinely confused as to why people would doubt it right now, in this case. What's the point? Why come out questioning this now? I'm not saying people shouldn't question things, I just don't know why they would question something like this at this point in time. Because people who don't directly deal with discrimination tend to not believe it exists at some level. It's a Just World. I mean, sure, racism exists, but my friend isn't racist even though he says racist things. And that incident on the news totally wasn't racist, it's just people jumping to conclusions. And my other black friend(heh) has more trouble getting a job than his brother who has a very anglo name, but there's probably a better explanation, it's not always about race. I mean racism totally exists man, it's just strange how we never see any racists.
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:Pretty much this. I mean, people are being shouted down for suggesting the POSSIBILITY of a hoax, while some are convinced that this must be, absolutely is, the truth. Really, as sad a commentary on society as it is(whether her claims are true or false), we do not have enough to go on to say either way. Not yet. Check this out you loving idiot: If this incident turns out to be a hoax: ban me  At least if I'm banned I'll still be secure in the knowledge that I'm not a disgusting fucker whose first reaction to a bloodied up woman is "SHE'S FAKING IT!".
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:08 |
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:I am not arguing that she was or was not assaulted. The only thing I am assuming toi be true at this point is that she WAS injured, her apartment WAS on fire, and that she is claiming to have been victimized. This may be true. It may not. I really don't know. Either way, it's really sad. Chapter 2: The Robot Learns To Emulate Human Empathy
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:08 |
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I'd be surprised if anyone in this thread has any doubt that homophobia and violent hate crimes exist.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:10 |
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I wish for once there could be a thread without some middle man I don't have an opinion bullshit. edit - I'm going to step out of this one for awhile and tone back the emotion. I've put it back though, as it's been quoted.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:13 |
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Hrothmar posted:Here's the local news coverage on it
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:14 |
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'm curious, now, as to how the national coverage has been. Has it been on the news outside Nebraska? I think I caught a blurb about it on the CNN Web page earlier today.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'm curious, now, as to how the national coverage has been. Has it been on the news outside Nebraska? CNN and networks, it was national news for a day, but not round-the-clock coverage.
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NoneSuch posted:I wish for once there could be a thread without some middle man I don't have an opinion bullshit. But the truth is somewhere in the middle  :matt and trey parker:Edit: posting with content from the local article, at least the mayor -seems- alright.  "In a statement, Lincoln Mayor Chris Beutler said, "We stand united with our gay and lesbian citizens in denouncing violence directed at any group."
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:20 |
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Petr posted:I think I caught a blurb about it on the CNN Web page earlier today. Yeah, it used the word allegedly and therefore is no more than blatant homophobia and victim shaming. CNN are well known for their anti gay agenda.
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Jose Mengelez posted:Yeah, it used the word allegedly and therefore is no more than blatant homophobia and victim shaming. CNN are well known for their anti gay agenda. Well you just gave up your gimmick, didn't you?
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:22 |
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K. Farb posted:Well you just gave up your gimmick, didn't you? What would that be exactly?
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:25 |
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Jose Mengelez posted:Yeah, it used the word allegedly and therefore is no more than blatant homophobia and victim shaming. CNN are well known for their anti gay agenda. That's strawmanning a bit too hard I think.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:26 |
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Jose Mengelez posted:What would that be exactly? Equating the use of "allegedly" with your assumption the victim is lying because you yourself do not have all of the evidence available to you is so stupid that I can't imagine anyone genuinely believing this.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:29 |
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I'm cheered a little bit that the cuts were described by one source as superficial. One of the worst things about this incident (from the view of someone who's never experienced something like this) was the possibility of her having these reminders of this incident carved into her body, though I guess she could've gotten plastic surgery to remove them. But I'm guessing any cut described as superficial can heal completely. It's too bad the same thing can't be said for the mental scarring.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:32 |
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Jose Mengelez posted:Yeah, it used the word allegedly and therefore is no more than blatant homophobia and victim shaming. CNN are well known for their anti gay agenda. Go gently caress yourself forever.
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| # ? Jul 25, 2012 05:33 |
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K. Farb posted:Equating the use of "allegedly" with your assumption the victim is lying because you yourself do not have all of the evidence available to you is so stupid that I can't imagine anyone genuinely believing this. I didn't assume the victim was lying, If you're going to criticise my posts please actually read them.
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Miguel Angel Face posted:There was a case in NZ a few years ago in which a policeman was tied up, had satanic symbols cut onto his back, and was left to die in a burning house. You are a loving piece of poo poo
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