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clownskull posted:Now finally I decided something about this issue because even though I don't own a gun, many people I know do and they rationalize it like that as well. I'll tell you one thing that's for certain--if it ever gets to a point in the good old United States of America where people carrying guns to protect themselves ever sounds like a great idea to me, well, I'd rather be shot to death. You'll eat those words when the commies/zombies/commiezombies come a'knockin.
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Devil Wears Wings posted:No it's not. No matter how much you value your box of jewelry or big-screen TV, human life should always be more important than someone's property. In a home invasion you should always always assume the perpetrator is fully willing and prepared to kill you or your family members. Property has nothing to do with anything at all and it should never be assumed "this guy is just here for my stuff". People who are there to steal your sweet tv do it when you aren't home.
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| # ? Jul 27, 2012 12:06 |
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Man Florida, you aren't even trying anymore. Well, let your crazy flag fly I guess.
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It's coming right for us!!! http://www.southparkstudios.com/cli...ng-right-for-us Yes, I already posted that in the Anaheim police murder thread, but it's so fitting.
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In my state (Virginia) the only aspect of mental illness the background check covers is whether or not you've been committed to an institution or adjudicated to be mentally unfit. But even if you have, it doesn't completely rule out buying a gun legally, it just makes it a little more complicated to get the transfer. As far as CCW permits go, I think the same restrictions apply, only you also have to show proof that you've gone through some kind of gun safety course. (But if you're worried that leaving your "castle" might expose you to I collect historical firearms as a hobby and so I consider myself to be generally in favor of gun rights. But there has to be some kind of regulation of the drat things, and not the "oh, whatever, buy 25,000 rounds of really hot hollow-point ammo, just don't get a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches" kind of poo poo we've got today. I'm talking about perfectly logical measures like drivers-license-like permits and interviews and waiting periods, things that make buying guns possible for people who have legitimate reasons for owning them, while making it much more difficult for people who are either batshit insane or just awful. When I'm driving down the road, I expect the people driving the cars around me to know enough about the law, their cars and human life that they won't ram me off the road or drive the wrong way while sucking back Private Stock. Is it asking too much to want gun ownership to be the same way? Mutant Headcrab posted:I'm interpreting this as they found 14 so far, but haven't ruled out the possibility he has more hidden somewhere. Maybe he had multiple upper and lower receivers for an AR-15 platform, so they're now trying to figure out if it's just one per barrel or if they've got to work in combinatorics somehow.
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Thoughtless posted:Can someone who understands American law explain why he's being charged with second-degree instead of first? It was a straight-up execution and it most certainly was premeditated, considering the victim was laying on the ground. Premeditation means that the act was rationally planned out ahead of time. It clearly wasn't in this case. No prosecutor is going to attempt to prove that he was thinking rationally in between the shots, barring something unknown. Its too small of a timeframe, and the prosecutor would most likely lose.
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| # ? Jul 27, 2012 12:27 |
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If he was an off duty cop he'd probably get a two week paid vacation while his union dealt with turning the salesman into a possible gangbanger.
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Rujo King posted:I collect historical firearms as a hobby and so I consider myself to be generally in favor of gun rights. Well since you claim to be a collector, you would know that antique guns generally don't require a permit and are even easier to obtain than modern firearms. Regulations don't apply to guns over a certain age. You're either not a very knowledgeable collector or being willfully dense. So gently caress you I guess and gently caress everyone that's against stricter gun regulations, since the only argument any of you come up with is "I'm responsible so I should be able to buy guns no questions asked." Is it too much to ask that you just deal with it being slightly more difficult for you to get a gun so we can keep the crazies and dangerous people from also getting guns? Is it really worth people dying so you can collect guns easier?
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rodbeard posted:Well since you claim to be a collector, you would know that antique guns generally don't require a permit and are even easier to obtain than modern firearms. Regulations don't apply to guns over a certain age. You're either not a very knowledgeable collector or being willfully dense. So gently caress you I guess and gently caress everyone that's against stricter gun regulations, since the only argument any of you come up with is "I'm responsible so I should be able to buy guns no questions asked." Holy poo poo dude did you just completely stop reading his post when you quoted that part?
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| # ? Jul 27, 2012 12:39 |
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Pro-gunners, do you consider having a mandatory psychiatric examination prior to purchasing a gun/ammo gun restriction? Wouldn't you rather just weed out all the psychos making you look so bad? Of course that wouldn't eliminate the gangsters and plain trigger-happies, but it would be a start that'd surely avoid tragedies such as Aurora or the case in the OP. How exactly would that infringe on your constitutional right to bear arms?
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rodbeard posted:Well since you claim to be a collector, you would know that antique guns generally don't require a permit and are even easier to obtain than modern firearms. Because nothing historical has happened since 1899. No wars or anything like that. Nope.
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Mr Underhill posted:Pro-gunners, do you consider having a mandatory psychiatric examination prior to purchasing a gun/ammo gun restriction? Wouldn't you rather just weed out all the psychos making you look so bad? Of course that wouldn't eliminate the gangsters and plain trigger-happies, but it would be a start that'd surely avoid tragedies such as Aurora or the case in the OP. How exactly would that infringe on your constitutional right to bear arms? I'm pretty much firmly in the "regulate it intelligently category". So I can't speak for the pro-deregulate it types. However, I will say that at this point any sort of meaningful regulation would be probably be next to impossible to enforce. Guns are very common in the U.S. Even if you tried to increase regulations, people who were determined to get a gun to use for something nefarious would be able to do it. It'd probably end up more being a case of it affecting people who had little to no interest in committing a crime with one. The supply is quite high, in terms of availability. My understanding is that the economics and business side of the gun trade are geared so that if you were absolutely determined, you could get one under the table if you really wanted one. Gun shows are a good example of this, as apparently a certain amount of under the table stuff goes on at many of the more shadier ones. Likewise, there's apparently a fairly large number of unregistered/untracked guns floating around due to dickery with how regulating/tracking them was handled in the past. Plus, there's the issue of the NRA. Most people assume the NRA is a lobbying/advocacy group. In reality, they're more like a trade consortium/group that makes money off of the advocation of de-regulating/messing with the selling of guns. If you think for a moment that they're going to go for any sort of stricter regulations, you're out of your mind. You're basically asking them to accept a decrease in yearly profits. And since they have quite a bit of influence in many of the more conservative areas of the United States, I wouldn't hold your breath on anything happening. Just to give you an idea of what sort of money the NRA pulls in, this was taken from wikipedia. quote:
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Mr Underhill posted:Pro-gunners, do you consider having a mandatory psychiatric examination prior to purchasing a gun/ammo gun restriction? Wouldn't you rather just weed out all the psychos making you look so bad? Of course that wouldn't eliminate the gangsters and plain trigger-happies, but it would be a start that'd surely avoid tragedies such as Aurora or the case in the OP. How exactly would that infringe on your constitutional right to bear arms? In Alabama, you have to take a Hunting Safety course and provide proof you took it in order to get your permit. You have to take a test to get your boating license. Same with your Drivers License. Trucks and Heavy Machinery require a CDL. Want to fly a plane? Have to get a license. I own a few firearms. I'm "pro-gun" I guess you could say. But I'm amazed at how easy it is to get a gun. I think if we put a few more basic checks than just paying the cc fee and a wait period we might catch some of these psychopaths before they kill anymore 6 year olds.
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How is this different from the Hattori murder? The guy got off on that one.
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Almost Smart posted:You'll eat those words when the commies/zombies/commiezombies come a'knockin. Selling brain steaks, door to door.
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InternetJunky posted:How is this different from the Hattori murder? The guy got off on that one. That's entirely different as he went into the home. He didn't deserve to be shot but he wasn't a salesman standing outside.
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K. Farb posted:That's entirely different as he went into the home. He didn't deserve to be shot but he wasn't a salesman standing outside.
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I enjoy shooting and I think that we do indeed have a right in the US to own weapons but good god we need to adjust the system we have in place. It's easier to get a conceal carry permit than a credit card. Or just ban anyone in the state of florida from owning a gun.
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InternetJunky posted:Really? My only account of the story is what was on wikipedia: "Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. " Is this incorrect then? Yeah, I can't read. I read "to the wrong house" as "into the wrong house." The OP story has a man identifying himself as a salesman, though, and there were no language barriers/confusion.
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And people always gasp when I say Ive never been to Florida. They go "dude Florida is SO AWESOME!" Ya, gently caress that place, have zero desire to set foot in that state.
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God drat America you guys are just flat out hosed up. Your self entitlement to own a gun because you have a small dick and need to compensate for this fact resulting in murder is a loving joke. I don't know how anyone can own up to being an American these days, and what is worse is that there are clowns defending this flat out batshit insane murderer.
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joshske posted:God drat America you guys are just flat out hosed up. Your self entitlement to own a gun because you have a small dick and need to compensate for this fact resulting in murder is a loving joke. I don't know how anyone can own up to being an American these days, and what is worse is that there are clowns defending this flat out batshit insane murderer. In America, we call it freedom 
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joshske posted:God drat America you guys are just flat out hosed up. Your self entitlement to own a gun because you have a small dick and need to compensate for this fact resulting in murder is a loving joke. I don't know how anyone can own up to being an American these days, and what is worse is that there are clowns defending this flat out batshit insane murderer. I love these posts. Yes, everyone in our country of immigrants are the same.
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Preoptopus posted:And people always gasp when I say Ive never been to Florida. They go "dude Florida is SO AWESOME!" Ya, gently caress that place, have zero desire to set foot in that state. Yeah goddamn I hate this. When I lived in Canada people were always like "Florida is my favorite state! It's THE BEST!!" You have got to be making GBS threads me.
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InternetJunky posted:Really? My only account of the story is what was on wikipedia: "Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. " Is this incorrect then? No. K. Farb is talking out of his rear end.
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:My question is why do all his neighbors interviewed in the accompanying video have thick New York accents? If I was a native Floridian with mental problems, I'd probably wanna kill someone too if I was forced to be surrounded by obnoxious white trash guidos! Yankee carpet baggers need to stay put! If you sell a house/apt in a decent New York/New Jersey area you'll get at least a million for it, which is more than enough to buy a much bigger house in Florida and retire in comfort.
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As much as I would like to shoot solicitors who constantly bother me some days, I really don't think a thousand no-trespassing signs should enable you to actually shoot them. Just like alcoholics shouldn't own cars, crazy people shouldn't own guns. But there's just no way of telling which is which when you give them a license, weapon, or car. VVVVVV Fimbulvinter posted:Gun control debate in a violent shooting thread?!?! MODS?!?!?
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Gun control debate in a violent shooting thread?!?! MODS?!?!?
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Oh please. Where I live there are no guns, anywhere. I know no one who'd even know anyone who owns a gun. Only homicides happening - every once in a while some hick will get drunk off his rear end and drive a pitchfork through another hick for looking at his girl the wrong way. And I don't believe Americans are inherently more homicidal than my conationals or anyone else on this blue planet. Plus, what with globalization and everything, we're pretty much all watching the same movies and playing the same violent games. It just makes sense that leaving stones all over the place is likelier to result in smashed windows than not doing so.
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Carl Seitan posted:No. K. Farb is talking out of his rear end. Are you saying the situations are exactly the same or did you miss my second post?
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Mr Underhill posted:And I don't believe Americans are inherently more homicidal than my conationals or anyone else on this blue planet.
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Oh, gently caress, I already got probated 3 days ago for discussing gun control in a mass homicide thread, go figure. Can anyone advise per safety so I can get the gently caress out of dodge in time?
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Mr Underhill posted:Oh, gently caress, I already got probated 3 days ago for discussing gun control in a mass homicide thread, go figure. Can anyone advise per safety so I can get the gently caress out of dodge in time? Congratulations on being Everything Wrong With America. 
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Mr Underhill posted:Oh please. Where I live there are no guns, anywhere. America
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Mr Underhill posted:And I don't believe Americans are inherently more homicidal than my conationals or anyone else on this blue planet. Inherently or not, we are currently more homicidal than any other developed nation. Although that's no longer such a good comparison, seeing as we also have a bigger income disparity than most other developed nations.
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Mr Underhill posted:Oh, gently caress, I already got probated 3 days ago for discussing gun control in a mass homicide thread, go figure. Can anyone advise per safety so I can get the gently caress out of dodge in time? Gun control is a third rail not only in our lovely politics but even on our internet forums. That should tell you about all you need to know. A man is dead because he was trying to sell some crappy steaks, but MAH GUNZ!
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Earwicker posted:Inherently or not, we are currently more homicidal than any other developed nation. This isn't a gun control thing, so I guess it's a derail of the derail now, but I have to wonder how much of that is attributable to the simple rules of statistics. The United States has a fairly massive population which is spread across many different regions. By default, any statistics reported that relate to population would be higher than most other countries. This is due to the fact that comparatively speaking, we have way more people living in the country than most other countries do.
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Archonex posted:This isn't a gun control thing, so I guess it's a derail of the derail now, but I have to wonder how much of that is attributable to statistics.
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reflir posted:How can counting be so hard that he owns 'approximately 14 firearms'? Well, he had a couple rail guns, but it's questionable if those qualify as "firearms". No fire, you see, they propel their projectile with magnets.
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I really dislike guns and I wish the US had much stricter regulation. I believe that, yes, people would still murder one another, but a gun makes it much easier. You can stand back six feet or more from a person and kill them. With something like a knife you have to get up close and personal. That alone might be enough to deter some people. Would this crazy guy have stabbed the salesman? Maybe, I won't pretend to know the answer to that. My partner and I are trying to get pregnant and now I have thought seriously about getting a handgun for protection, and that makes me sad.
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