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Akalies posted:When was the episode filmed? If she was living in her parents basement during filming of the episode you are being more disingenuous than a reality program on Spike, and you are ruining your own credibility. Sorry? The episode was filmed in February. As far as I know she was telling the truth at the time, but what she said then is no longer true because her circumstances have improved. I don't see where I'm being disingenuous about anything. Also related to the filming in February: Did you see the bit where they showed the empty back patio, and said it was a sign of poor business? Of course there wasn't anyone on the patio; it was Maryland in February, and it was about 30 degrees outside. Akalies posted:I also hope no one starts poo poo with the bar over a tv show. That'd just be stupid. Too late for that, I'm afraid. Trolls and bullies are flooding the Facebook and Yelp.com pages as we speak. Yelp has been good about deleting the "reviews" where the person explicitly says that they've never been there, but they can't catch them all. Akalies posted:Edit: Also - I sincerely hope that no one threw away those self-service taps. Those were simply sick, and would be the pride of my man-cave. Those, I believe, were returned to the company from which they were leased. I forget exactly how much Piratz Tavern would have had to pay each month to keep them, but it was something exorbitant. And, as I said before, they were in violation of county law to begin with. edit: I see Saint Darwin has covered some of the same points. Whenever he contradicts me, you should probably believe him instead of me. CrowsNestMutineer fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 17:05 |
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Saint Darwin posted:The episode was filmed in February and she hadn't been in the basement for months. They had then and still have a pretty nice house. Then she lied to gather pity? I'm not trying to be a dick about this. I'm honestly trying to understand. If she presented herself as living in her mother's basement at the time of filming, then the episode saying "she lives in her mother's basement" is not dishonest because it's reality TV trying to lay a narrative over the events of a few days that happened months ago. Everything is presented in present-tense to make the viewer feel like they're part of the action. If she didn't lie, and that segment was filmed before moving out it's different story and they should have said "recently." quote:Akalies, the place really isn't unwelcoming to people who aren't Renn Fair people, nor is it not fun for those people. A lot of the clientele do not dress up nor do they have any interest in dressing up. It may not be unwelcoming intentionally, but personally I wouldn't go there. I'd find it awkward to be trying to have a drink while someone played out a fantasy around me. This is why there's no such thing as "a bar, period." Bars rely on ambiance to differentiate themselves from each-other. It's why I prefer quiet dives where I can drink with my friends, and pretend like I know how to run the nation better than the president. Obviously my preference doesn't make or break a business, but it seems like a mistake not to consider what type of customer may or may not be coming in due to a selected theme if the owner, as she said herself, hasn't received a salary in six years. I do wish her luck. If she can run a business she's passionate about she's an extraordinarily lucky person. I'm just skeptical about the feasibility of it, and her claims in the show didn't help reassure me. The Corporate branding was an absolute slap in the face, and seemed like the most low effort of all of his episodes. Someone elsewhere suggested "The Admiral" with a slight nautical theme, and think that would have been a much more successful compromise. Oh, and how long did The Corporate branding actually last? Someone on YouTube or Yelp or something said it was only up for a day or two. This too makes me skeptical that the brand was given a chance to succeed, lame as it was. Again my apologies for people acting like idiots on the internet, and posting b.s. reviews. Akalies fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 17:31 |
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Akalies posted:Then she lied to gather pity? I'm not trying to be a dick about this. I'm honestly trying to understand. If she presented herself as living in her mother's basement at the time of filming, then the episode saying "she lives in her mother's basement" is not dishonest because it's reality TV trying to lay a narrative over the events of a few days that happened months ago. Everything is presented in present-tense to make the viewer feel like they're part of the action. If she didn't lie, and that segment was filmed before moving out it's different story and they should have said "recently." Yeh, she lied for pity. Everyone thought it was a huge mistake but she did it anyway and now people are fixated on it. I don't know about the debt, but pretty much everything else on the show is a lie. quote:It may not be unwelcoming intentionally, but personally I wouldn't go there. I'd find it awkward to be trying to have a drink while someone played out a fantasy around me. This is why there's no such thing as "a bar, period." Bars rely on ambiance to differentiate themselves from each-other. It's why I prefer quiet dives where I can drink with my friends, and pretend like I know how to run the nation better than the president. Obviously my preference doesn't make or break a business, but it seems like a mistake not to consider what type of customer may or may not be coming in due to a selected theme if the owner, as she said herself, hasn't received a salary in six years. No, really, it's not like people are sitting there roleplaying. Nobody roleplays or anything like that except for actual performers doing actual performance things. People sitting around having a drink act normal. quote:I do wish her luck. If she can run a business she's passionate about she's an extraordinarily lucky person. I'm just skeptical about the feasibility of it, and her claims in the show didn't help reassure me. The Corporate branding was an absolute slap in the face, and seemed like the most low effort of all of his episodes. Someone elsewhere suggested "The Admiral" with a slight nautical theme, and think that would have been a much more successful compromise. When I heard this was all happening, I really had thought/hoped that they would have removed all the poo poo on the walls, redo the decor and lighting, trim the menu a bit and let Jason have his way with it (because Jason, while he doesn't work there anymore, had great ideas), and install a tap system. I wanted it to be reigned in, and still allow people to dress up, let the performers come in, still serve grog and what have you; that's what most people wanted. Instead, we see what happened. edit: If you want to see what I was imagining, check out the other pirate bar in Maryland called Mutiny. It's really just a sports bar with a pirate feel, which is probably too far towards "boring bar" for Piratz to have gone, but it's not a bad place; it's just far enough that it's not real competition. quote:Oh, and how long did The Corporate branding actually last? Someone on YouTube or Yelp or something said it was only up for a day or two. This too makes me skeptical that the brand was given a chance to succeed, lame as it was. Again my apologies for people acting like idiots on the internet, and posting b.s. reviews. It was up for around 2 weeks. People who came in were unanimously not happy with the new place, even if they had not been there before. As I mentioned before, people who didn't even like the old place really did not like the new place. They gave it a real chance as best as they could, even being open beyond the hours Bar Rescue told them to be open, which I think was 11 to 8? Late enough to get a happy hour dinner but not late enough to be a bar was the idea, the terrible, terrible idea. Dead Inside Darwin fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 18:02 |
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Akalies posted:Oh, and how long did The Corporate branding actually last? Someone on YouTube or Yelp or something said it was only up for a day or two. This too makes me skeptical that the brand was given a chance to succeed, lame as it was. It wasn't just lame; it was a calculated insult. He might as well have called it "Yo' Mama is Ugly Bar & Grill." Taffer's design wasn't something that anybody would want to patronize, work at, or own. I found some pictures of Corporate, by the way. Bar Rescue promised to invest a quarter of a million dollars into renovations. Let's see what that money bought, shall we? Please note that these pictures were taken a couple of days after the grand re-opening.  Big-rear end hole in the ceiling  Gouge in the floor tiles  Air conditioning unit and wires just hanging out of another ceiling hole  Hole in a lighting fixture  Lighting that doesn't work anymore  Seriously cracked window  Cheap-rear end ketchup that Tracy had to run out and buy because Taffer's crew moved all the kitchen supplies around and nobody could find anything  Useless white elephant of a Smart Bar  Useless white elephant of a draught table I've got other pictures, but they aren't as dramatic. They just show sloppy paint jobs and clumsy masking tape applications that would be adequate for a high school drama production--or, apparently, for Spike TV--but aren't going to fly in an actual place of business, especially one that's supposed to appeal to a wealthy clientele. I'll also add, in fairness, that not of these problems were directly caused by Taffer's crew. Some of them existed beforehand. The point is that despite promises made, nothing at all was actually repaired or improved. Finally, to end this post on a positive note, here's a photo of the new, remodeled interior of Piratz Tavern. This is the front of the house, the restaurant section. Tracy and Juicy worked their asses off to get this done, but this is what it looks like now.  Pure nautical class. (Edit to fix a typo. In penance, here's a photo I took of the Batmobile.) 
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Saint Darwin posted:Yeh, she lied for pity. Everyone thought it was a huge mistake but she did it anyway and now people are fixated on it. I don't know about the debt, but pretty much everything else on the show is a lie. Ok. This is the problem. She might be the sweetest lady in the world, but she lied as a business for pity. You can not do that. People already have very little pity for any businesses, and even less for those that aren't local (ie. one on tv). Unless you have a billion dollar p.r. firm you can't lie and expect to walk away from it unscathed. The Bar Rescue folks may have even had a hand in convincing her to do it, but it's still how she chose to represent her bar. When she presents herself as "this bar is literally destroying my family," and then goes back to doing the exact same thing it's no surprise people are annoyed. This makes her look like someone who is either incapable of learning from major mistakes, or someone who puts the 'pirate theme' above her family. That's why this is getting the attention it is. If she'd been honest and the Bar Rescue folks had done a episode on a moderately successful pirate-themed bar that didn't really need help people would be calling it a stupid episode, and wondering why Spike was wasting their time. quote:No, really, it's not like people are sitting there roleplaying. Nobody roleplays or anything like that except for actual performers doing actual performance things. People sitting around having a drink act normal. Admittedly I'm only going by what was shown in the episode, but if I walk into a bar and no one is there to seat me I'll sit my rear end down. If someone then comes up in a costume and says "Just going to sit yourself wherever the gently caress you please?" I would flip him the bird and walk out. It takes an amazing amount of skill to be surly to customers right off the bat, and it needs to be approached much more gently than that. My money is hard earned, and if you want it you need to earn it. If I was somehow convinced to stick around after that and then lied to about the "fresh catch" being fresh only to come out of a freezer-pouch I would refuse to pay, and be pretty drat pissed. For me, and again my opinion is only my own, the performance aspect would be the first warning sign that I don't wish to drink at that establishment. quote:It was up for around 2 weeks. This is a very respectable amount of time to try the re-branding, which was obviously counter to the owner's ideals of the bar. Good on them for giving it a shot, but it doesn't excuse the claims of financial ruin. Edit: I forgot Taffer's spies were in costume. Sorry about that. That certainly makes Mike's initial actions more forgivable as he might have mistaken them as part of the scene expecting the performance aspect of it. However as soon as the guy said 'Well we were waiting, and waiting...' he should have dropped it, and made sure they were happy. The cook lying about what was being served was unacceptable. Akalies fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 18:23 |
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The staff was told to act up and be "piraty" way more than usual. Mike is actually one of the most friendly servers I've ever had. Tracy is extremely strict about drinking on the job or giving out any free drinks (as in you don't do it or you get screamed at for an hour), but she was told to totally give her workers booze while on the clock. Incidentally not every shot of a worker drinking is the worker drinking alcohol, but they of course imply they're drinking on the job all the time. What really bothers me now is that Taffer is apparently a spokesperson for DrinkIQ.com, which is a 'don't drink and die' type site. Taffer, who insists that drinks should have as little ice as possible so they're drunk quicker and people buy more. Taffer, whose business plan for a few places in Season 1 was to attract women and make high-powered drinks directly for women, in order to attract men; it's really phrased and presented as "guys want to come to bars with drunk chicks." I'm actually going to write into them to lodge a complaint about both is blatant hypocrisy, and also the fact that having such a scumbag as the face of your company is a bad thing: even if you think Piratz should have been burnt to the ground and Corporate was the best idea in the world, would you really want that loud-mouthed chucklefuck representing your company?
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This is what I don't understand. Maybe these are a group of incredibly naive people, but they were told to do this and then agreed to it. If you get told to act like an rear end in a top hat in front of a camera for a reality show, what do you think they'll do with that footage? I'm willing to give Mike a break. Maybe he really loves his job, or maybe he has a family to feed, or maybe he has a hard time finding work with his disability. One time, at my employer's orders, I had to hand-load two units of 12' sheet-rock onto a trailer by myself while a guy told me I was unworthy of having children if I was only making $15 a hour. I smiled the entire time, because that paycheck put food in my daughter's mouth. To add insult to injury the next customer made sure to tell me how lucky I was to work for a local business that cared about it's employees. Sometimes you do what your boss tells you, even if it's just lovely. To this day I resent that business far more than some rear end in a top hat who can only feel good about himself for berating employees he'd be lost without. Mike should be just as angry at Tracey for subjecting him to that spectacle if he's unhappy with the way he was portrayed. (I know you didn't say he was, but it really seems like Tracey is managing to duck a lot of the blame here.) Taffer is a scumbag that I enjoy watching, but he absolutely shouldn't be heading up a 'drink responsibly' website. Nor should anyone else who works in the alcohol industry, simply because it's a conflict of interest. I bet you it's some misdirected 'community service' thing someone is obligated to do. Sigh. Akalies fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 19:13 |
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Speaking from a business perspective Piratz is a terrible idea for some mini-downtown in silver springs, MD. Is she probably doing OK? Yea maybe, but let's not stretch it and call it a success. Corporatez is a terrible name, and maybe the concept didn't work but the solutions he provided based on the information he provided is sound. If you're in a legitimate downtown area, happy hour and lunch sells. Gimmick pirate bars don't. Now I'm not naive enough to believe the information we were given was the full truth, just like I'm not cynical enough to believe Taffer sucks at what he does. Gimmicks work when the environment helps them thrive. Want a pirate bar? Do it in the Florida Keys or somewhere that it might make sense to thrive financially. For the Piratz apologists, if you all go there good for you. Spend money and have a good time.
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Akalies posted:This is what I don't understand. Maybe these are a group of incredibly naive people, but they were told to do this and then agreed to it. If you get told to act like an rear end in a top hat in front of a camera for a reality show, what do you think they'll do with that footage? I'm willing to give Mike a break. Maybe he really loves his job, or maybe he has a family to feed, or maybe he has a hard time finding work with his disability. Sorry to keep spamming the thread but you have questions I feel others might have, and I think that it's important that everyone knows just how hosed up this show is. They were told they had to comply with everything or they wouldn't get anything. Some of the staff didn't want to appear on and didn't want to sign the waivers, but they were told that everyone had to sign them or it wasn't going to happen. Mike is a really goofy guy. He also likes being in the spotlight, so if someone says "act goofy because we want to put it on TV and we will help the bar," he's going to light up and be silly. They really focused on him because of it, and they focused on Archer because he was just so drat mad after the whole thing went down. Going into it, the entire staff and regulars thought that it was going to be just a renovation and menu change, and that's why they went with it. Everything you saw on the TV was the first time the staff had seen or heard about it themselves. The biggest lies really come down to the amount of "help" BR gave them. The hospitality and bartender women were there for a single day and really didn't do anything; the bartender only gave them the recipes for those specific drinks and showed them how to make them a few times, and that was it. I hear that the hospitality woman did even less. People aren't mad at Tracy because everyone thought this was going to turn out a lot different than it did, including her. There were a lot of hopes riding on it that were obviously crushed. The big problem now is that the show is basically acting like a smear campaign, with enough eager morons on the internet to fuel it into a real problem. Yelp is a lost cause even though they're being pretty good about deleting posts, people are rallying to the BR Facebook page with "yeh gently caress those gay pirates!!!", Twitter is a lost cause as only Twitter can be. Maybe it will be forgotten next show, but it's enough crap that it's going to discourage a lot of people in the area from trying it unless they understand that the show is fake, the show ruined the bar, but what rose out of it is something much better. If anyone else has more questions please PM me, I need to stop posting so much. Dead Inside Darwin fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 20:01 |
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You can only say reality TV lies so much. I grew up in the service industry, as my family runs a local chain of restaurants in LA/OC. I enjoy Bar Rescue because it reminds me of scouting trips I would take with my Dad to failing restaurants that we would buy out, and renovate. The signs of failing places in BR are the same I would see, and that was people with no business sense that generally came into money, opened a joint, became overwhelmed with the flood of responsibilities and let the place slide into a death spiral. It's really not hard to be successful in the service industry, you just have to have a good concept and wake up everyday giving a poo poo. Here is the thing about the service industry, if your restaurant or bar isn't popular off the bat, it's dead in the water. Dive bars don't really make money, they break even at best (ever wonder why you've never seen a chain of dive bars or a dive bar owner with multiple bars to his name?). For the people complaining about prices and what not, you're obviously not the targeted clientele. Your goal like any savvy restaurant owner should be to make enough money to expand your brand. That means charging a lot and catering towards people with lots of disposable income, but still remaining reasonable to upper middle class families and young professionals. As for Piratz, the place looks like your run of the mill run down dive by run by people who are more concerned about having a cheesy fan club than a business that makes money. The food looked disgusting, and it was clear that main chef or whatever had no idea what the gently caress he was doing. I looked at their menu online, and it looks bad. Even though those renovations posted above look nice, there is a terminal cancer within the ownership. They've only delayed their death spiral, as once the bump of traffic from BR wears off, they will be back where they were. That grog drink is disgusting and reckless of them. You know what happens when you pour strong sugary drinks like that? You get people that vomit and trash your property, create problems with staff and other guests, and draw LEO attention. Do you really want to have the reputation of the cheap strong drinks that attracts creepy guys, much less piss off cops and occupy their time with your bullshit? Although I hate to see local businesses go under, especially service since they hire more people than a retail place, I hope piratz has enough dedicated people to keep them going.
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I too will stop making GBS threads up the thread after this post.Saint Darwin posted:...They were told... This is the thing. "You have to act like idiots, or we won't pay you anything" should INSTANTLY tell you what you're getting into. It was Tracey's choice to lie for false-sympathy. Those claims of poverty are why her bar is getting so much flack - to the outside world she's falling into that 'definition of insanity' trope by repeating what she claimed drove her under for 900k. It's a shame for those of you who enjoy the bar, and it's a real shame for the employees who have to put up with abuse based entirely what some idiot saw on a TV show that aired on Spike of all places. OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:Although I hate to see local businesses go under, especially service since they hire more people than a retail place, I hope piratz has enough dedicated people to keep them going. This is so true. It's never good for a community when a business goes under, and there's no such thing as a person who can't eventually become a good employee. They may or may not be great at what they do, but their passion is admirable even if (as it seems) it's misdirected. Tell Mike that I'll buy him a beer if I ever run into him. He seems like a chill dude, willing to take some poo poo to help out his friends. That's pretty cool.
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:That grog drink is disgusting and reckless of them. You know what happens when you pour strong sugary drinks like that? You get people that vomit and trash your property, create problems with staff and other guests, and draw LEO attention. Do you really want to have the reputation of the cheap strong drinks that attracts creepy guys, much less piss off cops and occupy their time with your bullshit? I've been coming there over 2 years, and the cops have been called once, when somebody walked off the street and stole a server's tips. There has never been a fight, and vomiting is a very rare occurrence because the bar tenders take the liquor license very seriously, as the county has insane liquor laws and does constant checks; usually when someone does vomit, it's because they very rarely drink and don't know how to gauge themselves. They are taken care of, cleaned up and given water and absolutely cut off. I don't get it why everyone screams that it's somehow a very sugary drink. It isn't at all. In a giant mug (the one they showed on the show) they use half of a bottle of ginger beer (about 24g sugar). The other ingredients (the amaretto, limes, and cloves) are a very small squirt in it. Rum doesn't have any drat sugar from what I can tell. The grog mug is an all-night drink. If you drink 2 of them you are insane because you just drank 2 huge containers of liquid, and it's the amount of liquid that spaces out the alcohol in it. Akalies posted:This is the thing. "You have to act like idiots, or we won't pay you anything" should INSTANTLY tell you what you're getting into. It was Tracey's choice to lie for false-sympathy. Those claims of poverty are why her bar is getting so much flack - to the outside world she's falling into that 'definition of insanity' trope by repeating what she claimed drove her under for 900k. It's a shame for those of you who enjoy the bar, and it's a real shame for the employees who have to put up with abuse based entirely what some idiot saw on a TV show that aired on Spike of all places. I don't know her debt situation, but I do know that they treated it as a leap of faith and thought that it would save them instead of driving them into the ground. People were prepared to even not have a pirate bar anymore. It just didn't help anyone except Spike TV and Taffer. I don't know if you guys are in DC or near Silver Spring at all, but if anyone is ever wanting to check it out, let me know and I'll buy you a shot. edit: God dammit work is boring today, sorry about the posts. edit: VVVV Yup, but it doesn't nutritionally have anything according to THE INTERNETS. If they're wrong, I'm sad. Dead Inside Darwin fucked around with this message at Jul 31, 2012 around 22:31 |
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Saint Darwin posted:I don't get it why everyone screams that it's somehow a very sugary drink. It isn't at all. In a giant mug (the one they showed on the show) they use half of a bottle of ginger beer (about 24g sugar). The other ingredients (the amaretto, limes, and cloves) are a very small squirt in it. Rum doesn't have any drat sugar from what I can tell. Rum is literally fermented/distilled sugar.
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TwoPair posted:Rum is literally fermented/distilled sugar. I was about to post that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum Motherfucking molasses and sugarcane juice.
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TwoPair posted:Rum is literally fermented/distilled sugar. ...which means that it no longer contains any sugar, only ethanol. Rum contains no more sugar than vodka, whiskey, tequila, or any other hard spirit of the same proof. The sugar is converted into ethanol via fermentation, and distillation ensures that almost everything that is not ethanol, including sugar, doesn't make it into the final product. That's not to say that ethanol doesn't contain calories, because it certainly does, but it's a little disingenuous to claim that the grog is more sugary because it contains rum.
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CrowsNestMutineer posted:Ahoy there, goons! I'm a Piratz Tavern regular, and I count some of the staff among my best mates in the world. I'm here to help set the record straight with some bits of information, in no particular order, that the show didn't tell you. I am not surprised by any of this. I mean the original Piratz had some real problems but I was basically shaking my head throughout the episode at the dumb poo poo Joe was going. I mean jesus, CORPORATE? That is the worst bar name I have ever heard! Who the gently caress wants to drink at CORPORATE? People who love working at big corporations so much they want to spend their free time there as well? I'm glad to hear the bar is actually doing better as a pirate joint. The second episode was much more solid and it looked like they fixed problems and spruced things up without doing something colossally dumb.
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paradigmblue posted:...which means that it no longer contains any sugar, only ethanol. Right. The mug has half a bottle of ginger beer, which are 48g of sugar a bottle I believe, so 24g per mug. Added to that is, per mug, about a tablespoon of the lime juice/amaretto/cloves blend, which as a huge outlier which is probably really overestimating, adds another 20g of sugar. That means that each mug has 44g of sugar. These are very big mugs as you've probably seen. For reference, as 12oz can of Coke has 39g of sugar. This isn't the first time I've heard the 'rum is sugary' argument, but I've yet to see any actual facts showing that it's more harmful to diabetics than just regular alcohol.
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Der Shovel posted:I am not surprised by any of this. I mean the original Piratz had some real problems but I was basically shaking my head throughout the episode at the dumb poo poo Joe was going. I mean jesus, CORPORATE? That is the worst bar name I have ever heard! Who the gently caress wants to drink at CORPORATE? People who love working at big corporations so much they want to spend their free time there as well? I got the distinct feeling that he didn't like pirates at all and thought doing this to them would be hilarious. Mean, but very funny. Corporate...
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Saint Darwin posted:The grog mug is an all-night drink. If you drink 2 of them you are insane because you just drank 2 huge containers of liquid, and it's the amount of liquid that spaces out the alcohol in it. How much does it cost? Serious question. If it is less than $30 than its a loving retarded drink to sell. They were putting 8 EIGHT! ounces of liquor in that mug. You know how much eight ounces of liquor should bring in revenue? Assuming you are selling shots for $5 apiece, It should bring in $40 which is a pretty low guesstimate. Bars make money by selling drinks. You don't maximize your profit by selling everyone one outrageous drink. You make money by selling everyone 2-X number of $7 drinks and not getting them blasted out of their minds off one $10 drink. The police here would have your liquor license for serving someone 8 ounces of liquor, why not just serve them a glass of everclear honestly?I seriously don't understand how you think that is good business. That stupid habanero wings analogy from earlier? You know WHY they sell them that hot? Because spicy makes you thirsty, and what do you do when you are thirsty? Bueller? That's right you drink. She was not ashamed the menu said "fresh" when it was frozen, she let someone with zero experience cooking (who actually spit the food he made (that he was serving to other people)out into the trash) run the kitchen and make food for guests to eat. I have worked in bars for 9 years, and as I have seen all the episodes of this show this is the only place that has topped swanky bubbles for stupidity.
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TheChad posted:I got the distinct feeling that he didn't like pirates at all and thought doing this to them would be hilarious. It's possible. He just came off as a huge knobhead. This was the first episode I've ever seen and dude just flips out from 0 to vein throbbing in the forehead mad in 0,5 seconds.
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Old Man Pants posted:How much does it cost? Serious question. The mugs are $12 I believe (I'm really bad at remembering this poo poo). Keep in mind it's using rail liquor in that one, there's a top shelf version which I think is 20-something that uses namebrands and is very good, but it's much more expensive obviously. Also, I can't but help but laugh at your liquor law comment. Montgomery county has some of the most oppressive and stupid liquor laws I've ever seen. The liquor board is constantly testing any place that sells alcohol and they take any kind of violation very seriously. As an example, you cannot buy liquor from a distributor, it has to come from privately owned liquor stores, and they can only serve alcohol from a 750 ml bottle, so no discount for buying a handle either. You talk of her making more money per shots, yet I'm pretty sure selling plain shots is actually illegal in the county as well. edit: I'm probably wrong about that. The grog might not be as profitable per alcohol oz, but people come just for it, people drink a LOT of it, and people buy other things as well. Most people who come in get a mug of grog (or even just a class) and then switch to other things, if only because it's a ton of drat liquid to deal with. It's not a ton of alcohol because of how voluminous it is. Der Shovel posted:It's possible. He just came off as a huge knobhead. This was the first episode I've ever seen and dude just flips out from 0 to vein throbbing in the forehead mad in 0,5 seconds. He's sort of the same in the previous seasons, but I really don't understand how angry he was at Piratz. He acted like it was a personal insult to him that a place that does 0 advertising wasn't doing well and asked for his help. Everyone there went in with high hopes and an open mind and wanting the place to succeed, but the result was so bad it was almost like he just wanted to spit in their faces and make sure they would not succeed. edit: I'm trying to navigate the absolutely horrible liquor board site. I forgot about this: "Monthly Inspections are implemented for those with a liquor privelage. Monthly checks for the first year are done to ensure that the sales of food are at a minimum, equal to or above alcohol sales. The 50/50 ratio reports are required to be filed once a month for the first year by the establishment. The inspection will go annually after the 1st year, unless a continuance of monthly reports is mandated from the board. " ---- Quick update about the grog. I asked around and the regular grog uses the most rail of liquors, so the profit on that is still pretty drat good. As good as selling it pure shots, probably not, but it's so rail that nobody is going to want shots of it. They're $12 normal price, $6 at happy hour, and they make very good profit both ways. The profit margin on the top shelf grog, where they use well-known brands of rum, is thinner, but it's not ordered that often, and the people who order it are the kinds of people who are going to have a number of them and are going to be people who come in again and again, so I guess it's considered worthwhile. Dead Inside Darwin fucked around with this message at Aug 3, 2012 around 04:09 |
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Saint Darwin posted:The grog might not be as profitable per alcohol oz, but people come just for it, people drink a LOT of it, and people buy other things as well. Most people who come in get a mug of grog (or even just a class) and then switch to other things, if only because it's a ton of drat liquid to deal with. It's not a ton of alcohol because of how voluminous it is. Liquor should be pure profit for a bar. It's no wonder people are going there just for the grog, it's more than five shots of alcohol at a rock-bottom price. It doesn't matter if people are getting other things, because if a bar can't make money on the liquor it's selling, it's screwed. The restrictive liquor license just makes things worse, and their drinks should be even more expensive to compensate for the higher overhead. The cheap drinks may bring people in, but they're almost certainly helping to put them further in the hole.
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Der Shovel posted:It's possible. He just came off as a huge knobhead. This was the first episode I've ever seen and dude just flips out from 0 to vein throbbing in the forehead mad in 0,5 seconds. Yeah, but that's par for the course on nearly all the shows where outside consultants come in and save a failing business. At least, the ones I've seen.
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The Tiki Bar episode is up on Spike if you didn't catch it.
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TwoPair posted:Yeah, but that's par for the course on nearly all the shows where outside consultants come in and save a failing business. At least, the ones I've seen. This is just a fat knobhead with questionable judgement throwing money around. It's no surprise that the makeover was so poorly done because the show doesn't even pretend that anyone's into it. It's awful. The new outdoor area looked nice though. I'd drink a microbrew there any day of the week.
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I live in the MD area and I've been to Pirate Bar a few times. In the case of this, everybody was wrong. Corporate Bar is the dumbest idea ever for the MD/DC area, no one wants to go drink in a place that reminds them of the office. It seems like the producers and the host didn't do any research about DC and just saw offices everywhere and went with the first idea they thought of. I've drank Grog before, and yeah its pretty insane how much alcohol goes into one of those. You probably just need one to be good for the night, drink two and you're hammered. Each one is a little less than $10 from what I can recall.
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Robotnik DDS posted:The Tiki Bar episode is up on Spike if you didn't catch it. Added to the OP. Strange they didn't add it along with Piratz since they both aired on the same night but w/e.
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The pirate bar episode did seem like John Taffer had no faith in this bar from the start. The bar absolutely needed help and might still need some help. The show from the looks was never looking to be that help. Just use a bar going into a death spiral for ratings cause it had "Pirates." Moral of the Story is Realty shows are completely not Realty.
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kitteneater posted:Moral of the Story is Realty shows are completely not Realty. If Relaty shows aren't about real property management and trading, what would they be and why are they relevant in this thread?
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Robotnik DDS posted:They seriously might as well have named the restaurant GROWNUPS ONLY MAGIC IS DEAD FOREVER. Also the Piratz are hilarious. Haha, jesus. poo poo just got real. I'm sure the plan all along was just to drag the pirate nerds through the dirt and crush their dreams, Taffer definitely accomplished that. The moment they unveiled the 'Corporate' makeover to the employees was amazing, like a blend of hilarious and horrifying. One of the best moments ever on reality TV.
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If you accept the premise that Piratz was surrounded by offices, I can see the Corporate branding work if it was all done super ironically. Like, super corporate on the outside, but completely crazy on the inside. I can see the staff getting into that, because while they're not pirates but they're still rebels of some kind. But no, Jon just want corporate through and through. Of course none of that matters because his research was bullshit. Kind of strange that this one was so fake. What was season 1 like, anything this fake?
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FISHMANPET posted:What was season 1 like, anything this fake? Nothing really of that sort from what I remember. I haven't seen those episodes since the marathon run last week though and I don't know any of those areas, though. Anyways... TONIGHT'S EPISODE Bar expert Jon Taffer must fix a dirty, binge-drinking bar owned by two fraternity brothers in Fells Point, Maryland. But the rescue gets derailed when Jon discovers the building is about to collapse.
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If stereotypes can be depended on, the number one problem with the business will be that the bros will be drinking way too much of their own booze.
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| # ? Aug 5, 2012 15:48 |
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Not eating bar food has been common sense since forever, but it's still kind of frightening how terrible a shape the kitchens have been in nearly every single episode so far. (And then there's obviously Kitchen Nightmares.) They keep saying "if a health inspector would be here today he'd shut the place down". So why the gently caress haven't they?! Do they only do an inspection once a year, and they announce it beforehand so the place can be touched up?
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| # ? Aug 5, 2012 17:35 |
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They had an actual (ex) health inspector in season one, I think the first episode, who claimed that he'd shut that restaurant down if he was inspecting, I have a feeling that a real health inspector wouldn't nit pick as much as they do on the show though. Not saying Bar Rescue is looking for problems, but I don't think real health inspectors go so far as to actually probe food... Also, Spike has a ten minute preview of Murphy's Mess posted if anyone cares.
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| # ? Aug 5, 2012 19:05 |
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NOTinuyasha posted:Also, Spike has a ten minute preview of Murphy's Mess posted if anyone cares. IT'S RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW! SHUT IT DOWN!
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| # ? Aug 5, 2012 19:26 |
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NOTinuyasha posted:They had an actual (ex) health inspector in season one, I think the first episode, who claimed that he'd shut that restaurant down if he was inspecting, I have a feeling that a real health inspector wouldn't nit pick as much as they do on the show though. Not saying Bar Rescue is looking for problems, but I don't think real health inspectors go so far as to actually probe food... In Houston, TX they do. The issue is how frequently they get inspected, and I'd imagine that places that don't sell a lot of food don't get inspected very frequently.
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Let's parrrrrrrrrty!  e: "You know I love my Yelp reviews." e2: No beer, no liquor.... everyone remain calm... e3: Dear god, that 3-in-1 shot 
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Ahahaha Taffer is a wonderful ogre
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Robotnik DDS posted:Ahahaha Taffer is a wonderful ogre This may not be a Ramsay thread, but if there was ever a time for the  emote...
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