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This thread is really funny, especially reading all of the hate for Country music or Nicki Minaj. Especially Nicki Minaj now doesn't even rap anymore really and just makes electronic pop hits where she sings and its pretty dull. What I'm basically saying she needs to rap more and stop singing because her rap was alright I guess (or maybe it was just Monster where she was really good and everything else was whatever who knows!).
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 21:12 |
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I really want to know if her re-branding was her idea or the labels. When she started dressing all crazy to match the Katy Perry, Lady Gaga mold, that's when I knew it was over.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 21:18 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I really want to know if her re-branding was her idea or the labels. Nicki Minaj was dressing crazy at least as far back as the other two. Remember in 2008 Katy Perry released "I Kissed a Girl" and Gaga was unknown.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 21:31 |
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Well that's interesting. I wonder who started it then? Mid 2000's pop was pretty buttoned down, to use Kelly Clarkson as an example.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 21:42 |
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Frosted Flake posted:Well that's interesting. I wonder who started it then? Yeah, but Toxic is the best song ever released so that props up the era at least a bit.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 21:43 |
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Dusseldorf posted:Yeah, but Toxic is the best song ever released ...the... the what? How can someone think this thing you just typed. gently caress.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 22:25 |
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Hogarth Hughes posted:...the... the what? Toxic is real good, dude. It's not like I'm the only one with this opinion too.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 22:27 |
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Dusseldorf posted:Toxic is real good, dude. It's not like I'm the only one with this opinion too. You're probably the only person who thinks it's the "best song ever released," yes, but I'm going to guess that was internet hyperbole and you aren't actually saying a Kelly Clarkson song is better than every other song ever released.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 22:43 |
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"Toxic" was by Britney Spears. And on that note, gently caress that song. Usher's "Yeah" is the best song from that year.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 22:46 |
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Scorched Spitz posted:"Toxic" was by Britney Spears. And on that note, gently caress that song. Usher's "Yeah" is the best song from that year. Oh. In that case yeah, Toxic isn't very good.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 22:53 |
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Hogarth Hughes posted:...the... the what? Look at how wrong you are.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 23:02 |
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Pop music's in kind of a weird and interesting place right now. Since the planet's finally embraced electronic media we're getting a complete over-saturation of electronic music and all the gimmicks to go with it. It's the early 90s all over again except on a modern and global scale - autotuning is the new chipmunk vocals, synth sweeps are the new mentasms etc. It's also weird seeing someone like DJ Fresh becoming massive - he spent over a decade making underground blips and bloops and now they've gone mainstream he's taking full advantage. Take someone like Alex Clare too, who's not making anything particularly groundbreaking, but he's in the right place at the right time and it's definitely working for him. This is the point where I embarrass myself further by stating I have a soft spot for Cheryl Cole's recent output; it's just more straightforward "classic" pop than a lot of the other female-fronted stuff in the charts. I'll link two of her recent tracks here just to see if anyone gets where I'm coming from. Or at least to shut people up about Toxic.
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| # ? Aug 14, 2012 23:04 |
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 00:36 |
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I find the actual study interesting in that the researchers tried to objectively quantify patterns of music. I am neither a music nor a computing expert, so their methods section went straight over my head. Still, I find it hard to disagree with their conclusion that "pop music has always been the same, it's just gotten louder," at least from subjective experience. Kind of awkward that they included the bit about achieving the true path to musical creativity is by remixing old music, but I guess that's to satisfy the "so what" curmudgeons. As has been noted before, the inclusion criteria for the million song database may be too restricted to account for the entire body of pop music but you can level that charge against any kind of database. The answer isn't to call these researchers silly social scientists, but to build better databases. Fascinating article, and I prefer this over the billion THIS NEW PROTEIN MAY BE IMPORTANT articles that Nature usually publishes.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 00:41 |
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Disco Prince posted:Are you loving serious? I'm so tired of hearing this. I buy vinyl because the sleeves are cool and sometimes include stuff not available with the CD purchases, but the whole "vinyl DOES SOUND BETTER!" thing is such trash. It sounds different, better is subjective but you're either deaf or dumb if you can't hear the difference.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 01:03 |
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HollisBrown posted:It sounds different, better is subjective but you're either deaf or dumb if you can't hear the difference.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 02:29 |
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poolside toaster posted:Perhaps he's listened to too much pop music and is now starting to go deaf? I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 02:53 |
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HollisBrown posted:I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can. It all depends on a lot of things. First off, some people just have lovely hearing. Second it's all about how you're listening to them. If you're using lovely ear buds that came with your iPod or whatever, you sure as poo poo won't be able to tell the difference between a CD and a low bit rate mp3. If you've got good equipment though, the difference is obvious. It's night and day listening to low bit rate stuff streamed from my Zune and vinyl on my good sound system out in my living room. E: And to be clear, I'm not an audiophile or anything, I didn't spend a thousand dollars on gold plated cables or anything.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 02:56 |
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TheJoker138 posted:It all depends on a lot of things. First off, some people just have lovely hearing. Second it's all about how you're listening to them. If you're using lovely ear buds that came with your iPod or whatever, you sure as poo poo won't be able to tell the difference between a CD and a low bit rate mp3. If you've got good equipment though, the difference is obvious. It's night and day listening to low bit rate stuff streamed from my Zune and vinyl on my good sound system out in my living room.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 02:59 |
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HollisBrown posted:I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can. If you say this kind of poo poo in NMD you have to take a test and prove it or be banned.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 03:08 |
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edit: Earwicker  (btw "You like Emilie Autumn therefore your opinion on music is invalid" was a little harsh man)HollisBrown posted:I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can. TheJoker138 posted:I listen to one artist he doesn't like, so therefore my entire thoughts about music in general is invalidated. Ok, then, he's got a really stupid point, got it.
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TheJoker138 posted:They have these things called smart phones now, that you can get apps on, and using those apps you can do all sorts of things, including listening to music in your car, streaming from the internet! It's a thing that a lot of people do. Well you could have also just said "you don't have a CD player in your car?" which would have made the same point and been a lot more likely to be true as a lot of people don't have smartphones but I know people with $500 cars that have CD players installed in them. And my intentional obtuseness was in response to the guy basically implying that the only people who still listen to the radio are luddites or people too stupid to listen to anything else. Mister Snips posted:Musicians make single, catchy songs that top charts all the time. Then get promptly forgotten about because nobody listened to anything else by them. See: franz ferdinand and foster the people Franz Ferdinand has had three studio albums, all of which have had at least one song chart in the US and two or more in Europe. Foster The People currently has had three singles receive fairly heavy radio play. I'm not sure how your lack of awareness anecdotally applies to the entire industry. Frosted Flake posted:I hate glee, and I hate bubblegum pop music. It's a matter of taste, or rather distaste. Right, but what does that have to do with the quality of the original song? Dusseldorf posted:Nicki Minaj was dressing crazy at least as far back as the other two. Remember in 2008 Katy Perry released "I Kissed a Girl" and Gaga was unknown. Just Dance and Poker Face were both number one singles in 2008. Scorched Spitz posted:"Toxic" was by Britney Spears. And on that note, gently caress that song. Usher's "Yeah" is the best song from that year. Seconded.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 03:14 |
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You've got to listen to Yeah! and Toxic at the same time, one on the Car's player, the other on a boombox in your passenger seat. More music needs to be listened simultaneously with other songs. I suggest starting with Mulatto Butts from Archer and Birthday Cake by Rihanna. Then do One Toke Over the Line and Under Pressure at the same time.
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het posted:edit: Earwicker Yeah I'm sure anyone can, just as anyone can tell the difference between vinyl and anything else. Disco Prince's comment basically alludes to people not being able to tell the difference between vinyl and other mediums. I was being obtuse on purpose.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 03:21 |
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HJB posted:Pop music's in kind of a weird and interesting place right now. Since the planet's finally embraced electronic media we're getting a complete over-saturation of electronic music and all the gimmicks to go with it. It's the early 90s all over again except on a modern and global scale - autotuning is the new chipmunk vocals, synth sweeps are the new mentasms etc. Mentasms are the new mentasms.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2012 03:22 |
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het posted:I think that dude was a dick and that was inappropriate, but he had a point beyond that you like an artist he doesn't like. His point was that you claimed that radio country suffered because of a laser focus on a single demographic, and that resulted in the music being bland and samey, while at the same time "Song X on the new Emilie Autumn album sounds like song Y on a previous album" was a topic of discussion in the NMD Emilie Autumn thread. If that was his point, it's still not a very good one. A large amount of a genre sounding really samey and a single artist having a couple songs that sound the same from album to album (and can this even really be considered a complaint when the songs were specifically written to be part of a cohesive whole like the last two EA albums were, being the soundtrack to her upcoming musical and all? There should be motifs that are repeated, you would think) are not even close to being the same thing. I will fully admit that my exposure to radio country isn't huge, as I haven't listened to anything on the radio in quite a while due to having an mp3 player and a spotify account. But my current room mate listens to that stuff every time we go anywhere in his car, and for the first time I got where people who say "all dubstep sounds the same" were coming from, because I simply could not tell the difference between a lot of the songs.
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HollisBrown posted:Yeah I'm sure anyone can, just as anyone can tell the difference between vinyl and anything else. Disco Prince's comment basically alludes to people not being able to tell the difference between vinyl and other mediums. I was being obtuse on purpose.
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het posted:(btw "You like Emilie Autumn therefore your opinion on music is invalid" was a little harsh man) I agree but on the other hand it is a little like seeing someone trying to talk about how Michael Bay is ruining modern cinema and then remembering that they're one of the two people posting in a thread about which 'The Fast and The Furious' sequel is the most timeless. That's the best analogy I've got because it's not like most people reading this will know who Emilie Autumn is I guess. TheJoker138 posted:you kind of creepily looking through my post history or something mr. mephistopheles posted:I'm not sure how your lack of awareness anecdotally applies to the entire industry. There's something about these threads that appeals an awful lot to people who haven't the faintest idea of what they're talking about. Maybe it's the negative slant in the title, appealing to people who don't know poo poo about pop music precisely because they don't like it.
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Bubble-T posted:I agree but on the other hand it is a little like seeing someone trying to talk about how Michael Bay is ruining modern cinema and then remembering that they're one of the two people posting in a thread about which 'The Fast and The Furious' sequel is the most timeless. I don't see what is weird about that thread (other than the name, which was changed by a mod, and is pretty funny). NMD is full of threads on specific artists, and in those threads those artists are discussed. Is the Sleigh Bells thread weird? Or the Kanye West thread? I did put quite a bit of background information on her in the OP, yes, but as you said yourself, that's mainly because most people don't know who the gently caress she is, so a primer would be nice, and I always try and make actually informative OPs for stuff (see my RE thread over in games). E: And just to be clear, while I really like Emilie myself, I totally get why people wouldn't, which I've actually said before in the thread. She has a pretty terrible fan base full of a lot of weirdos, and is very, very niche.
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Hogarth Hughes posted:...the... the what? Amen. I enjoy quite a bit of pop music, and I think Toxic is pretty wretched and not even Britney Spears' best. I'll never understand the love that song gets. Also, I don't know how this thread is discussing good country without a mention of Hank III. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmVO9h5eWUA
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I'm not familiar with music-making. Contemporary music played on my local mainstream popular radio station truly aggravates me. I'm busy mopping the floors at work but if Katy Perry comes on I feel the need to stop what I'm doing and change it. It's a mixture of disappointment that other musicians don't get airtime and anger at how lovely/monotonous it sounds. gently caress Wide Awake so loving much. And gently caress this up-and-comer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyWn0ZEfjc I'm sick of songs revolving around a loving catch-phrase. But why is it that I enjoy Ring My Bell?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAqnM1PP5E Could someone explain?
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TheJoker138 posted:I don't see what is weird about that thread
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HollisBrown posted:I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can. It's funny to hear people talk about how they are totally audiophiles and listen to everything in FLAC because they can tell the difference. Yeah you can really tell the difference through your blown out iPod earbuds from 4 years ago, dude. I bet. Yeah keep telling me about how you can hear everything and I just don't have the artists ear that you do.
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Salaminizer posted:Also, I don't know how this thread is discussing good country without a mention of Hank III. Speaking of Hank III and country music, Trashville was an excellent documentary about what popular country music has turned into. Basically, twangy pop music.
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Devoyniche posted:It's funny to hear people talk about how they are totally audiophiles and listen to everything in FLAC because they can tell the difference. Yeah you can really tell the difference through your blown out iPod earbuds from 4 years ago, dude. I bet. Yeah keep telling me about how you can hear everything and I just don't have the artists ear that you do. Who uses ipod buds anymore? Everyone is always wearing big rear end headphones now. I listen to max quality spotify and I can tell the difference on my bose headphones. Max. Quality.
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TheJoker138 posted:I don't see what is weird about that thread (other than the name, which was changed by a mod, and is pretty funny). Like Het said it's almost entirely you and another guy talking to each other and posting pics of tea parties with an artist and her weird fans. I'm not saying you're a horrible person but it's a pretty memorable thread in a weird way.
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Bubble-T posted:Like Het said it's almost entirely you and another guy talking to each other and posting pics of tea parties with an artist and her weird fans. Most of my posts have been update stuff, but yeah, it is pretty dead in there other than me and Upmarket Mango. And the tea party pictures were all pretty much specifically there for "wtf" reasons.
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Arguing about music is a silly thing. When I studied music, my adviser imparted me an amazing piece of wisdom: "Listen to music for what it is, not for what you want it to be. That doesn't mean you have to like Opera and it doesn't mean you have to dislike what you hear on the radio, but wanting Opera to include more pop-like qualities is asking Opera to be something that isn't Opera." My own little addition: Trying to quantify what makes music good to a mass audience is impossible. People listen to music for all sorts of different music for all sorts of different reasons. The stuff I listen to probably doesn't appeal to the great majority of other people, and that doesn't make me better or worse than any one else, but it does indicate a rift in tastes and if you asked me why I listen to what I listen to, it'll probably be an answer that is vastly different from the one someone else will give. Furthermore, trying to explain why certain music is objectively phenomenal is really quite difficult. You can say "Mozart was one of the most talented composers ever to live" and you can follow it up and say "Look how clever his music is!", but that doesn't really mean anything to most people, and they don't care. If you'd argue, 'Mozart is bad', you'd be wrong, but if you said, 'I don't really like Mozart', that's fine. So if you want to read between then lines, how 'good' music is isn't completely subjective. You don't have to enjoy the classics, or even understand why they are considered timeless, but tread carefully when you try to pass off anything you hear on the radio as amazing. More often than not, it'll be shoved under the rug and forgotten in a year's time. E: By all means, enjoy whatever it is you enjoy! You are not obligated to like some kind of music and dislike others. I guess my point I want to get across is that when you are enjoying something, do not pass it off as God's gift to mankind and decry other songs/genres unless you can really substantiate that claim. When music discussion happens, it's often common to some suggest that what they like is great and what this other guy likes is bad. Don't. 'Dark Side of the Moon' isn't nearly as good as you think it is and Country/Rap/Whatever isn't nearly as bad as you think it is.
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I've always thought of music being both an art and a form of entertainment. Putting some Merzbow on some club speakers for people to dance to seems hilarious, which is why people like Minaj et al are so successful. It's the equivalent of a popcorn flick which I have absolutely no problem with. On the other hand, I think it's really cool that, in this day and age, people can make music that they feel is a bit more, music that connects emotionally and requires a little (or even a lot) of attention to truly understand or appreciate. If some stupid fucker such as myself can make music as a serious form of expression and have people download it, I think that's pretty drat cool.
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HollisBrown posted:I hate when people try to say this "you can't tell the difference between a CD and an MP3 at 56kb" or between an MP3 and vinyl. Well maybe you can't but I sure as gently caress can. How many $7000 cables do you own?
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