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A brief overview from what burning man is courtesy of the completely reliable wikipedia.quote:
Here's the official website for burning man http://www.burningman.com And now the news story with selected quotes from the article quote:
Basically Judge Wagner a local judge in the county that burning man resides granted a outdoor festival permits and voided agreements and the county hiked fees from 148,000 to 458,000 and a festival cost of 75,000 dollars a day. I've been a burner before in 2002 I went I haven't been since but as a experience it was completely amazing. The point being though this festival has been taking place for over 20 years in this specific county, makes efforts more than any other festival to not damage the enviroment. Has worked to promote the arts and just in general is an awesome unbelievably amazing experience, that i think everyone should experience at least once in their lives. Now it's in danger to the disaproval of a local judge because of "tantilizing content", there are a lot of nude people at Burning Man. It'll be sad ot see this amazing event go.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:45 |
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| # ? May 20, 2013 01:49 |
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Maybe they can just start having it at Cave-in-rock, Illinois or wherever. Seems like they don't give a poo poo AT ALL about what goes on there.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:52 |
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These savages need to cut their hair and get a job. This is the 1950s, not the 1750s!
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:52 |
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I kind of see the judges point though. Why should the residents of the city pay extra to have all the naked people arrested when there is clearly a responsible organizing party. You're not allowed to be high and naked in any public space, you know.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:53 |
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:You're not allowed to be high and naked in any public space, you know. poo poo. This was the moment. Just now. I just truly realized it does not matter one bit who I vote for.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:55 |
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:I kind of see the judges point though. Why should the residents of the city pay extra to have all the naked people arrested when there is clearly a responsible organizing party. but THESE naked and high people are because of *~art~*
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:56 |
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You're allowed to be high and naked in a public space in Oregon. It's totally legal as long as you aren't doing it to arouse anyone. Or so a recent state supreme court ruling says.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:56 |
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:I kind of see the judges point though. Why should the residents of the city pay extra to have all the naked people arrested when there is clearly a responsible organizing party. You've obviously never been high and naked in a public space before.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:57 |
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:I kind of see the judges point though. Why should the residents of the city pay extra to have all the naked people arrested when there is clearly a responsible organizing party. This is just not true. I don't know about Nevada and that particular county, but if you're inferring this about the entire US, then no, that's not true.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 16:58 |
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So a county is trying to make up nearly #300k they're losing each year due to this event. I don't care what event it is, it's stupid to think they should foot the bill for that much cash that could be used on other things. With public services getting cut left and right, I'd rather see some of the money go back to that stuff than Burning Man.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:05 |
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What public space. Isn't burning man held in the middle of the desert? It's the literal antithesis of public space, they're purposely trying to isolate themselves from the public to form their own week long community.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:06 |
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That's sad and good news i think. Burningman has reached capacity and the location does not allow it to grow. The 'Burning Man Project' now has a chance to evolve, completely free of the ties to origin. I wonder what the people of Gerlach feel about this. The city makes a pretty penny off water sales, not to mention all the other stuff purchased in 'town' when people are coming and going. Thousands and thousands of dollars get funneled into the town in a 2 week period. chemosh6969 posted:So a county is trying to make up nearly #300k they're losing each year due to this event. I don't care what event it is, it's stupid to think they should foot the bill for that much cash that could be used on other things. With public services getting cut left and right, I'd rather see some of the money go back to that stuff than Burning Man. "The law enforcement costs imposed under the license fee are almost $280,000 more than the $120,000 in actual costs incurred by the county for the 2011 Burning Man event."
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:08 |
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People doing what they want, out in the desert, not bothering anyone? NOT ON MY loving WATCH JESUS CHRIST YOU PERVERTED HEATHENS WILL BURN IN HELL FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:09 |
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Here in the UK we have loads of stupid festivals/events/ugly old American women gyrating that tear up our historic royal parks in the centre of London. I'd give anything to trade them for Burning Man.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:11 |
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If Burning Man was The Olympic Games, cities would be falling over themselves to host it, regardless of the cost.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:11 |
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chemosh6969 posted:I don't care what event it is, it's stupid to think they should foot the bill for that much cash that could be used on other things.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:12 |
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How much money does Burning Man rake in for the organizers each year?
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:14 |
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The name Burning Man is sexist, they should call it Burning Person.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:17 |
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tokidoki posted:How much money does Burning Man rake in for the organizers each year? $700,000 this year went towards Art Grants for people to build mutant vehicles, art installations and other oddities. They do rightly earn SOME money, but they work their asses off for half the year to throw one event. Large crews stay after everybody leaves to clean up all garbage and tamp down the lakebed. I believe for weeks.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:19 |
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tokidoki posted:How much money does Burning Man rake in for the organizers each year?
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:19 |
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madlilnerd posted:Here in the UK we have loads of stupid festivals/events/ugly old American women gyrating that tear up our historic royal parks in the centre of London. I'd give anything to trade them for Burning Man. Tell me about it, I'd go in a heartbeat if I lived in the US.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:20 |
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The event has revenues in the 17 million range, does it not? This really is not a make it or break it point. There is rampant jackassory on the part of the judge involved, and he probably ought to be sanctioned.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:20 |
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From the Burning Man site. quote:Trying to explain what Burning Man is to someone who has never been to the event is a bit like trying to explain what a particular color looks like to someone who is blind. Here's their financial information: http://financials.burningman.com/chart_2010.html Tickets cost $300-$400. To me it seems like a large event organized to pull a profit off privileged white kids gathering to make lovely artwork and get high in the desert. But maybe that's because I'm like a blind man trying to describe the color red. I don't see why they shouldn't get their rent hiked though. Just raise the ticket prices, I'm sure the parents can afford it.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:21 |
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I think some people are misreading the article. The county has not ever lacked fees. It does not cost them nearly as much money as they are asking for. The actual costs are $120k, they are asking for more than double that from the organizers. Burning Man is already too expensive, a fee hike would force it to move.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:22 |
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Dolphin posted:From the Burning Man site. Anyway, this is kinda funny because Burning Man brings a lot of tourism to the area that will disappear in an instant if Burning Man decides to go somewhere else. I'm pretty sure at least the few neighboring towns only exist right now because of the yearly event. Seems like a bad idea for the county to raise the fees so much the organization will want to move.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:27 |
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Dolphin posted:To me it seems like a large event organized to pull a profit off privileged white kids gathering to make lovely artwork and get high in the desert. But maybe that's because I'm like a blind man trying to describe the color red. I don't see why they shouldn't get their rent hiked though. Just raise the ticket prices, I'm sure the parents can afford it. Look at you have no idea what you're talking about.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:29 |
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Dolphin posted:Tickets cost $300-$400. To me it seems like a large event organized to pull a profit off privileged white kids gathering to make lovely artwork and get high in the desert. But maybe that's because I'm like a blind man trying to describe the color red. I don't see why they shouldn't get their rent hiked though. Just raise the ticket prices, I'm sure the parents can afford it. You're a loving idiot. As the poster above me said, mookface posted:Look at you have no idea what you're talking about. http://hackaday.com/2011/08/25/burn...ed-flame-sails/ http://hackaday.com/2011/09/16/burn...robe-sculpture/ http://hackaday.com/2010/10/06/pyro...rning-man-2010/ http://hackaday.com/2011/09/22/burn...pulpo-mecanico/ Yeah, those white guys and their lovely artwork 
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:32 |
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Dolphin posted:Tickets cost $300-$400. To me it seems like a large event organized to pull a profit off privileged white kids gathering to make lovely artwork and get high in the desert. But maybe that's because I'm like a blind man trying to describe the color red. I don't see why they shouldn't get their rent hiked though. Just raise the ticket prices, I'm sure the parents can afford it. I don't have any stake in Burning Man or whatever, but I think we can all agree how funny this poo poo is. Look at this dude, he is completely in the dark, has no clue what he's talking about whatsoever, and still thinks he should work those cute little fingers of his to say... well, something, that's for sure. He apparently thinks that Burning Man is composed of white kids..? Hats off to you, generic uninformed retard on internet with an opinion #92843823948458. Knowledge is an ephemeral ghost-like thing to your kind, and it's hilarious.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:36 |
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Dolphin posted:From the Burning Man site. I think that the bigger problem is that the county is trying to selectively raise permit fees for the sole purpose of quashing an event that, at its heart anyway, is about art and expression. Raising the permit fees that high goes well beyond the realm of compensating the state for any inconvenience. You might not like or agree with Burning Man, but that has nothing to do with their right to expression after reasonably compensating the county. A town can't raise permit fees unreasonably high for the sole purpose of preventing KKK rallies because it's unconstitutional, even though most agree that the KKK is awful for a whole bunch of reasons. That's what I see as the bigger problem here, it's clearly about the judge and the county not liking Burning Man's message, not about the burden on the community. And yes, people do inevitably do drugs there. It's still illegal, they're just less likely to get caught in a big crowd. Burning Man, to the best of my knowledge anyway (I've never been) is still about art.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:38 |
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The organizers already pay fees to prosecute people, Burning Man does not cost the county money each year. As for revenue Burning Man puts money back into the festival itself. I am not sure if people get paid to actually work there. Basically the county is demanding additional funds well and above the actual cost. Now I will say that Burning Man is an LLC it is not a nonprofit, so I don't know if people are making money off it or not but each year they pay out and approve art projects as has been stated before. Also, 50,000 people at 300 dollars is 15 million dollars however Burning Man provides a lot of services for the 7 days it is there, I don't know if the people running it make money or not. They don't sell 50,000 tickets though a lot of people come into the festival for nothing. THey have to provide water , toilets, medical facilities, police, fire, etc.. All for those seven days. I don't know how much that costs.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:43 |
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Burning Man always sounded lame, a high school friend used to go to Mutant Fest which as he describes is the original burning man crew who are just dudes who like to shoot guns and have big heavy metal concerts but then "art" came along and told them it wasn't cool anymore. He played in an Iron Maiden cover band for it. Sounds like burning man has a lot of entitlement to say that people can't charge them money for what I imagine is the biggest pain in the rear end for the county each year.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:46 |
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Dolphin posted:Tickets cost $300-$400. To me it seems like a large event organized to pull a profit off privileged white kids gathering to make lovely artwork and get high in the desert. But maybe that's because I'm like a blind man trying to describe the color red. I don't see why they shouldn't get their rent hiked though. Just raise the ticket prices, I'm sure the parents can afford it. This is not specific to this post but here's some general advise for life. You should generally know something about a particular topic before forming an opinion on it, and you should definitely know something about a particular topic before sharing that opinion. For some reason I run into people violating this rule online and in real life all the time, seriously stop that poo poo.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:53 |
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Shebrew posted:I think that the bigger problem is that the county is trying to selectively raise permit fees for the sole purpose of quashing an event that, at its heart anyway, is about art and expression. Raising the permit fees that high goes well beyond the realm of compensating the state for any inconvenience. You might not like or agree with Burning Man, but that has nothing to do with their right to expression after reasonably compensating the county. A town can't raise permit fees unreasonably high for the sole purpose of preventing KKK rallies because it's unconstitutional, even though most agree that the KKK is awful for a whole bunch of reasons. That's what I see as the bigger problem here, it's clearly about the judge and the county not liking Burning Man's message, not about the burden on the community. MaxxBot posted:This is not specific to this post but here's some general advise for life. You should generally know something about a particular topic before forming an opinion on it, and you should definitely know something about a particular topic before sharing that opinion. For some reason I run into people violating this rule online and in real life all the time, seriously stop that poo poo.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:56 |
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Dang. I had thought about heading to burning man one of these years but never got organized to do it. Taking time off work wasn't practical for when I was most interested. Friends of mine are headed down there right now so I hope they enjoy this year's event. From a quick read of the quoted parts of the OP this looks like a one-judge crusade to ruin the fun of a bunch of weirdos. This isn't surprising but is definitely a sad commentary on the notion that so long as neighbors keep to themselves they should be allowed the maximum of liberty. If they like to act like French libertines and reenact bacchanals while playing their bleep bloop music, more power to them. They just need to keep the hell to themselves and I'll sit over here polishing my guns and jerking off to Soldier of Fortune magazines. To each their own. For folks not in the know - burning man is held out on a vast desert playa. There's nothing there until they show up and put on their festival each year. The towns along the route to the playa get a HUGE boost in income from all the travelers making their way to the festival. Ha ha, gently caress you small businesses. Judge Wagner has decreed that these unsightly (can't see them because they're in the desert) and loud (can't hear them because they're miles away from cities) hooligans (can't judge that because they police themselves in their far-away-from-everything desert party) must be taxed into oblivion.  Good job Judge Wagner, thank you for defending are fredomz.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:56 |
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Oh I guess I'll just spend my trust fund on something else.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 17:59 |
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Dolphin posted:Hey, I like conversations too. Maybe you should be more specific. Have you been to Burning Man? Did you enjoy it? This is the sort of thing you should have asked before you came in here and shared your opinion on burning man, that was my point. It's kind of pointless to share an opinion on something when your opinion is based on visiting the event website, not liking their description of the event, and then making some bizarre characterization of what the event must be based off of the website and some preconceived notions about who would attend such an event.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 18:02 |
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My favorite part is that he uses the phrase "expressive actitivies", making him sound like a real-life Judge in an 80's Kevin Bacon movie. I can just imagine the guy having poo poo-fits at night, imagining all the dancing and horsing off going on at this festival for "expressive young people". When are people like this finally going to die? Probably never, because they somehow keep reproducing despite thinking sex is icky and immoral. But whatever, good job destroying what's left of your county's economy, Judge.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 18:03 |
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Not an Anthem posted:Sounds like burning man has a lot of entitlement to say that people can't charge them money for what I imagine is the biggest pain in the rear end for the county each year. Way to not read the loving thread at all, champ.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 18:04 |
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MaxxBot posted:This is the sort of thing you should have asked before you came in here and shared your opinion on burning man, that was my point. It's kind of pointless to share an opinion on something when your opinion is based on visiting the event website, not liking their description of the event, and then making some bizarre characterization of what the event must be based off of the website and some preconceived notions about who would attend such an event.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2012 18:12 |
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YM2151 posted:Way to not read the loving thread at all, champ. It's threads like this that really make how shut in a lot of posters on here are. Burning man is amazing, one of those once in a life time gatherings where different cultures explode in each others faces. You dont have to be a naked guy hippie flipping on six grams of mushrooms and five mollies, but it sure is hell makes the experience that much more fantastic. There are people from every generation, from all over the world. And then you'll experience that tripped out moment where you see your neighbor after talking to three german dudes who just got back from hiking the drat andes. It's a magical place really, and kind of viewed as one of the brighter spectacles of American culture. I mean it's ok, we're going down hill anyways, might as well cut it all off and just turn into a dickless parade of eunuchs mesmerized by lovely TV and the internet. Real world America should be that bad. As for the cost going up, this is definitely an economic boost for the region. It's in a gently caress all county in the middle of nowhere. As people have mentioned before it's really just a lovely move on the judge's part. It's not like they don't contribute a lot, and it's not as if they don't actively work to make sure they cause less footprint for the county. I don't see this effecting it at all though, they sure as hell can pay the permitting.
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