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omeg
Sep 3, 2012

I remember beating Bed of Chaos on my first try playing blind. I was never able to replicate that again :negative:

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Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004

Mordaedil posted:

It's a puzzle boss, that way of backing your save sounds like more trouble than just doing it normally, honestly.

They really do not do that constantly, I think there's maybe 2 hidden bonfires in the entire game. It's not as if the game is as tough as you really need the bonfires, there's plenty of environmental hints to where they are. Though you do have to be an attentive player to find them.

More trouble to alt-f4, rename, reload and walk through the boss fog than to run through 5 minutes of lost izalith for the tenth time?

Omnomnomnivore
Nov 14, 2010

I'm swiftly moving toward a solution which pleases nobody! YEAGGH!
Carefully collect all treasures in the painted world. Only thing left is to kill Jeremiah. Return to bonfire, level up, use a humanity and reverse hollowing. Immediately get hosed up by a torch hollow. :suicide: Goddamn it.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

omeg posted:

I remember beating Bed of Chaos on my first try playing blind. I was never able to replicate that again :negative:

Bed of Chaos is relatively deterministic in the sense that the floor always breaks in the same location and her attacks correspond to where you stand. Once you figure out the pattern, it's relatively easy to kill her in one go. The problem is that there's no real way to learn her pattern without a bit of trial-and-error, which is why she's such an annoyance for first-time players.

Edit: One thing you can do to make the fight a bit easier is to quit and reload immediately after destroying one of her parts. That way you'll respawn right outside of the fog gate and won't have to make it back to the centre.

Samuel Clemens fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Oct 9, 2015

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe

Mordaedil posted:

They really do not do that constantly, I think there's maybe 2 hidden bonfires in the entire game. It's not as if the game is as tough as you really need the bonfires, there's plenty of environmental hints to where they are. Though you do have to be an attentive player to find them.

Darkroot Basin, The Catacombs, Lost Izalith.

tbf I'm also stuck on Bed of Chaos because I can't make that last jump.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Also the bonfire in that semi hidden balcony in sen's fortress. They absolutely love to pull this poo poo.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Suspicious Dish posted:

tbf I'm also stuck on Bed of Chaos because I can't make that last jump.

The jump to the branch in the centre? There's a small part of the floor that sticks out a bit further than the rest. If you walk off right there (don't sprint or walk slowly), you'll land right on the branch.

sector_corrector
Jan 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I never knew Seek Guidance shows you more dev messages, mostly because I've never cast it once in any of the games. Anyway, the wikidot guide has a list of them (spoilers for the new players posting recently, obviously) :

http://darksouls.wikidot.com/seek-guidance

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Suspicious Dish posted:

tbf I'm also stuck on Bed of Chaos because I can't make that last jump.

If you're actually trying to jump it: Don't, just drop down onto the branch. There's a tiny outcropping on the right side of the hole that you can just roll off of and land on the branch instead of risking a jump.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 9, 2015

Giant Isopod
Jan 30, 2010

Bathynomus giganteus
Yams Fan
I am just utter poo poo at Gwyn.

The character I made to do the Knight's Honor achievement was str+fth with butcher's knife, sunlight blade and fast roll. Which means not a lot of defense, no poise, and no easy parries (not enough dex for any of the parry shields). Turns out Gwyn is really hard to beat by rolling and does an absolute poo poo ton of damage on ng+.

In theory it should be easy enough to just parry with the black knight shield, but I'm poo poo at it and the 'learning' process of running through the kiln to die in one hit when I flub the parry is grating on me.

Ekster
Jul 18, 2013

I never bothered learning how to parry and Gwyn was one of the hardest bosses in the game for me.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Ekster posted:

I never bothered learning how to parry and Gwyn was one of the hardest bosses in the game for me.

You don't even need to parry, he seems to be afraid of fire for some dumb reason and great combustion makes him dance around like an idiot, if you run out of casts, keep going with normal combustion. Once you learn the timing, he just strafes after getting hit and has a long recovery after that side jumping so you can just spam cast at point blank range until he's down.

Alternatively, if you don't parry or burn him down, save Solaire and get him to the fight. Last time I beat him with the Heater shield, balder side sword and chester set for extra style points.

pun pundit
Nov 11, 2008

I feel the same way about the company bearing the same name.

Giant Isopod posted:

I am just utter poo poo at Gwyn.

The character I made to do the Knight's Honor achievement was str+fth with butcher's knife, sunlight blade and fast roll. Which means not a lot of defense, no poise, and no easy parries (not enough dex for any of the parry shields). Turns out Gwyn is really hard to beat by rolling and does an absolute poo poo ton of damage on ng+.

In theory it should be easy enough to just parry with the black knight shield, but I'm poo poo at it and the 'learning' process of running through the kiln to die in one hit when I flub the parry is grating on me.

You can practice the parries on sword Silver Knights, they have similar timing and move sets to Gwyn.

Giant Isopod
Jan 30, 2010

Bathynomus giganteus
Yams Fan

Guillermus posted:

You don't even need to parry, he seems to be afraid of fire for some dumb reason and great combustion makes him dance around like an idiot, if you run out of casts, keep going with normal combustion. Once you learn the timing, he just strafes after getting hit and has a long recovery after that side jumping so you can just spam cast at point blank range until he's down.

Alternatively, if you don't parry or burn him down, save Solaire and get him to the fight. Last time I beat him with the Heater shield, balder side sword and chester set for extra style points.

I never leveled the pyro glove on this guy, at all. Which was dumb, but I was having fun smashing things with my cleaver and didn't need it. But I can't ascend it if I did level it because Quelana won't show up now.

I did save Solaire - that was my plan actually, but he's... not terribly useful. He doesn't last that long (explosion grab is about 1/4 of his health) and Gwynn's backswing still hits me if I'm not super careful trying to get an opening. And of course he's invulnerable during the grab.

pun pundit posted:

You can practice the parries on sword Silver Knights, they have similar timing and move sets to Gwyn.

Yeah I dunno, I can parry the silver knights all day long, and the black knights too (except the axe guy. gently caress that guy.) but I don't find that it carries over to Gwynn. Their timing might be similar, but Gwynn has more varied combos that always fake me out with a false start.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

In terms of moveset, the Darkwraiths in lower New Londo are the closest equivalent to Gwyn I can think of. They have a quick one-handed attack, a slower two-handed one, a thrust, a grab attack, and a kick. If you can parry those guys, Gwyn shouldn't be a problem.

Alternatively, since you're doing a Str/Fth build, you could just go with a greatshield. The Black Iron Greatshield blocks 100% of physical and 90% of fire damage and has very high stability when upgraded. The heavier weapons (Ultra-Greatswords, Greataxes, and Greataxes) also stun Gwyn in one hit if you're two-handing them. Lastly, don't forget to abuse the pillars if you need to heal.

Edit: One more thing about parrying. Gwyn's one-handed attack is so fast that it's almost impossible to react in time, so your best best is generally to block the first swing and then parry the follow-up.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



The slow two handed swing is drat easy to parry aswell and, if your weapon has a fast recovery after a riposte, you can trigger it by drinking an estus flask after each riposte, making him going on a 2h swing loop. I think I already said this on the thread but I'm too lazy to check my posts :v:

Xile77
Sep 18, 2003
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I'm at the bonfire across the bridge where the red dragon flies over and torches everything. I've kindled the three bonfires so far, is that a waste of souls? Also, to the right is a room of hollowed that aren't attacking, are they free souls, or is there any reason to just let them be?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Gestalt Intellect posted:

Yeah, hit the walls on the ziggurats. The closest one to the root you run up to get to the reptile statue place has an illusory wall with a bonfire in it.

They're wats, not ziggurats. Huge difference.

Xile77 posted:

I'm at the bonfire across the bridge where the red dragon flies over and torches everything. I've kindled the three bonfires so far, is that a waste of souls? Also, to the right is a room of hollowed that aren't attacking, are they free souls, or is there any reason to just let them be?

Kindling bonfires costs humanity, not souls. On your first playthrough kindling isn't a bad idea, especially if you've got liquid humanity to burn (the number next to your health bar).

And there's no reason not to kill the passive hollows, but they give such a pathetic amount of souls that it's not really worth your time.

Ekster
Jul 18, 2013

Yeah the structures are based on Angkor Wat, because From felt Asian architecture in general is more 'chaotic' than Western architecture and would therefore fit the theme better.

Xile77
Sep 18, 2003
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Fister Roboto posted:



Kindling bonfires costs humanity, not souls. On your first playthrough kindling isn't a bad idea, especially if you've got liquid humanity to burn (the number next to your health bar).



Is there a finite amount of humanity in each playthrough? Or can I keep killing rats to farm it?

Samopsa
Nov 9, 2009

Krijgt geen speciaal kerstdiner!
It's basically infinite, and you get a shitton during normal play. Don't farm rats, there are way better options to farm humanity (DLC area, multiplayer).

Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004

Xile77 posted:

Is there a finite amount of humanity in each playthrough? Or can I keep killing rats to farm it?

There's quite a bit in the game: I ended up a full-hollow run with something like 40 humanity and 10 twin humanity. I ran thru a second time and I'm just past O&S being human 99% of the time. It all depends on how much you die - you can farm rats if you really want to. I use it as a semi precious resource and kindle 'important' bonfires after you get the ability to travel between them and to go human before a boss.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Samopsa posted:

It's basically infinite, and you get a shitton during normal play. Don't farm rats, there are way better options to farm humanity (DLC area, multiplayer).

There's a route on the depths that require little damage and with the covetous gold ring (the one from Sen Fortress) you get plenty of them with no risk.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Xile77 posted:

Is there a finite amount of humanity in each playthrough? Or can I keep killing rats to farm it?

In addition to what others said, you'll also occasionally get liquid humanity from killing enemies in zones where you haven't beaten the boss yet. Also you get a liquid humanity for a successful coop, a successful invasion, or defeating an invader.

RoadCrewWorker
Nov 19, 2007

camels aren't so great

Samopsa posted:

It's basically infinite, and you get a shitton during normal play. Don't farm rats, there are way better options to farm humanity (DLC area, multiplayer).
To put this a bit into context, the DLC area he means is very late-game, and multiplayer can be a crapshoot and even without connection issues usually slower than just running the rats circuit (although you get lots more souls out of it).

Although usually i see people run out humanity when they tumble into Ornstein and Smough being underleveled or forgot to upgrade their weapons and are now stuck burning humanities trying to summon Solaire for the boss. In which case liquid humanities that get stuck in the boss room are rather useless.

Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004

My god I'm trying to get a friend of mine to play so I can sunbro him. Here is how it felt from my side of the Steam chat window (NB: he had died a million times to skeletons in graveyard)

No, go UP the stairs from firelink. No, not into the building or near the skeletons - by the cliff.
Right so, up the stairs - careful of the hollows.
No, don't mash R1 you need to get your shield up and bait an attack or circle strafe for an opening.
Yes, that molotov guy is a pain.
Please don't jump for the Ring of Sacrifice again.
You fell off the aqueduct didn't you?
Yes that rat causes poi- no you don't have any antidotes yet.

I'm sitting at the stairs on the other side of the water for an hour for him to get past just these and he gave up for the night! I know everyone goes through this but it feels painful to watch, especially since I ran my Level 4 guy all the way past Taurus without any upgrades to get the white soapstone so I know what he's trying to do specifically. God knows how he beat the asylum.

Southern Heel fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Oct 10, 2015

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Heh, that brings back fond memories of my own first playthrough. I died more than once to the three rats underneath Sunlight Altar.

The greatest thing about replaying Dark Souls is seeing just how much you've grown as a player. Effortlessly moving through areas that used to kill you over and over again is a very satisfying feeling.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Ekster posted:

Yeah the structures are based on Angkor Wat, because From felt Asian architecture in general is more 'chaotic' than Western architecture and would therefore fit the theme better.

Going from the Blocky, smooth and angular architecture of up top to the stuff in Lost Izalith feels pretty cool. Lost Izalith is one of my favorite zones.

Samuel Clemens posted:

Heh, that brings back fond memories of my own first playthrough. I died more than once to the three rats underneath Sunlight Altar.

The greatest thing about replaying Dark Souls is seeing just how much you've grown as a player. Effortlessly moving through areas that used to kill you over and over again is a very satisfying feeling.

And dying a dozen times to enemies that didn't give you the slightest pause on your first run through because now you're trying to beat the game with [silly gimmick weapon].

Lovable Luciferian
Jul 10, 2007

Flashing my onyx masonic ring at 5 cent wing n trivia night at Dinglers Sports Bar - Ozma
I loaded up the ol' Dark Souls for the first time in over a year and see that my character has vanished. Does anyone know why that may be?

Found this one google and it fixed my problem.


https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls/comments/2wax6a/how_to_migrate_gfwl_saves_to_steamworks_after_16/


Edit #2

I'm running DSfix 1.5. The game runs just fine for me so is there any reason I should upgrade to a newer version DSfix?

Lovable Luciferian fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Oct 11, 2015

Xile77
Sep 18, 2003
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Oh god! That big metal Knight by the fire link elevators... I'm just running past him right now.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Xile77 posted:

Oh god! That big metal Knight by the fire link elevators... I'm just running past him right now.

Make sure to dip behind him and grab the glowy on the church altar, then make sure you DO NOT use the item, take it back to the nice lady under Firelink

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
Try parrying.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender


STOP IT

DARK SOULS IS NOT A MMORPG

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Node posted:

STOP IT

DARK SOULS IS NOT A MMORPG

Saying "toon" in mmorpgs is also stupid.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Well, drat, sorry. Was just trying to not repeat the word character two or three times every sentence. No need to get salty about it.

Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009


Xile77 posted:

Oh god! That big metal Knight by the fire link elevators... I'm just running past him right now.

He's actually not too bad! Believe in yourself and fight these deadly imposing enemies.

Giant Isopod
Jan 30, 2010

Bathynomus giganteus
Yams Fan
Wheeewwww, finally killed Gwynn on ng+.

Blocking with the black iron greatshield was pretty disastrous - I didn't have enough stamina to block a full combo.

One thing I hadn't mentioned (because I hadn't noticed) is that I was using the xanthous set which has piss fire resist. I ended up switching to black iron since rolling wasn't terribly useful and parrying with the black knight shield. Waiting for the slow 2H swing and not trying to parry the first strike of his 1H attack were both good tips - and the black iron let me survive a hit to get a second chance if I hosed a parry up

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

I'm doing a speedy faithman run (playing the game for the first time in a while too) and this is super fun! I can't believe I haven't tried it before. I have a faith build but it's a superheavy version with the Grant and a full Leeroy cosplay going on. You'd think that the nature of miracles would lend itself more to a heavy playstyle, but the only thing that's really pushing you to the tank strategy is Replenishment which is almost as useful for the dodging strategy anyway (and Karmic Justice but that miracle doesn't really exist). When you can buff your fast weapons to deal loadsa damage and quickly get far enough away from the enemy to cast those super slow lightning spears safely the whole playstyle just comes together. And of course, Wrath of God is always fun to unleash no matter what the situation is.

When you actually have the stats for it Astora's Sword kind of breaks the early game in half even worse than the Drake Sword though.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Node posted:

STOP IT

DARK SOULS IS NOT A MMORPG

Quit gettin mad about video games

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Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009


Oh hey, I forgot Griggs will never sell anything to you if your INT isn't 10 or higher. Anyone mind dropping the two Dragoncrest Rings for me? Add me, I'm about SL80 right now.

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