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Now some of you may recall American Hero Lance Armstrong as the guy who got testicular cancer and then beat all those angry Frenchmen at their own game. Well he did but it was not on fair terms and now his house of cards is starting to falter. He has decided to stop fighting the United States of America's Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), yet claims this is not an admission of guilt(cough, cough). The USADA had levied some extremely heavy charges on Armstrong. For many fans and those in the sport it was about time. For too long the rumours built up and so did the evidence evidently. The charges stem back to 1998, nearly his entire career and are extremely damaging as they not only implicate him, but the international governing body of the sport, the UCI for their complicity. Armstrong announced today that he will no longer fight the charges citing the USADA does not have the authority over him. this is a situation you'd expect from a corrupt petro-state. Lance claims only the UCI(the very same body implicated in covering up his doping) has any authority over him on this matter. This is despite the World Anti-Doping Agency saying otherwise. Lance must look to the future and damage control, litigation is going to be very costly, the tide has turned against him and the evidence is too much to counter. Expect a lot of grandiose statements of innocence, never testing positive, etc... but if he was innocent he would not have given up defending himself, nor would he have repeatedly tried to halt proceedings against him. Most of recent big name doping cases in cycling have not been the result of testing positive so his statement does not carry much weight. Considering he tested positive for corticosteroids, you could claim the statement false. From here we are likely to see Lance stripped of his titles and a little * replace him on the winners list. Sources: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...t-usada-charges http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/201...-doping-charges http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...rges/57258616/1
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:00 |
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| # ? May 19, 2013 15:36 |
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Make doping mandatory. After the drugs they use for doping are put through all the proper trials and tests of any other prescription medication of course. Seriously, its time we take competition to the next level.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:04 |
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What is the evidence against him exactly?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:04 |
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Pocket posted:He has decided to stop fighting the United States of America's Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), yet claims this is not an admission of guilt(cough, cough). Pretty solid evidence you have here.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:07 |
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kanonvandekempen posted:What is the evidence against him exactly? I remember reading that the USADA had results for 2009 and 2010 that were consistent with doping. I'm not so sure about the years before.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:07 |
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Pocket posted:if he was innocent he would not have given up defending himself Plenty of innocent people confess to crimes. I don't think this is as obvious as you think.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:09 |
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kanonvandekempen posted:What is the evidence against him exactly? Blood passport information, testimony from former teammates, wire transfers to doping doctors, hush money payments to the UCI, you name it.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:10 |
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The Bible posted:Pretty solid evidence you have here. The evidence against him the USADA holds is currently confidential but contains testimony from his teammates through out the years and of blood data from his most recent appearance in the TDF. Lance is giving up the fight to prevent this evidence from seeing the light of day. He has been offered the chance to take this to CAS and to even have that event take place in the USA. He has not accepted this and continued claiming it to be a witch hunt. Hint, he's not the only person charged in this case by the USADA. Amarkov posted:Plenty of innocent people confess to crimes. I don't think this is as obvious as you think.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:16 |
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It sort of sounds like they have no way to compel him to participate in their investigation and trial except that he is by default guilty unless he does. If it was anything like the hilarious and completely frivolous debacle that surrounded Clemens then I totally understand why he wants no part in it, especially if he is innocent. Basically it is a stupid authority trying to make itself seem important and like it is doing something by wasting a huge portion of someone's life. I say gently caress em, good on ya' Lance.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:16 |
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Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:Seriously, its time we take competition to the next level. I've been saying this for years. I want to see a FOUR second 100m. So loving what if the runner dies from a stroke, heart attack, vein popping, bowel evacuation at the end. He will be remembered.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:18 |
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Stereotype posted:It sort of sounds like they have no way to compel him to participate in their investigation and trial except that he is by default guilty unless he does. If it was anything like the hilarious and completely frivolous debacle that surrounded Clemens then I totally understand why he wants no part in it. CAS is not frivolous, there are many legitimate charges Lance must answer to. It is a stupid authority Lance signed up to when he decided to race bikes.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:18 |
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Well he had a good run and i would be surprised if there were any of the riders during that period (and now to be honest) who were not doping in some way. He tested clean but the amount of other evidence against him is pretty damning.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:20 |
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happyhippy posted:I've been saying this for years. I want to see a FOUR second 100m. So loving what if the runner dies from a stroke, heart attack, vein popping, bowel evacuation at the end. He will be remembered. There was a rider recounting his time back in the good ole crazy EPO days, I don't remember who exactly, but his team doctor would not let him sleep longer than a few hours before waking him in fear that his blood pressure would go so low his heart would stop beating. I have a hard time believing that to be true though.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:21 |
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Pocket posted:CAS is not frivolous, there are many legitimate charges Lance must answer to. It is a stupid authority Lance signed up to when he decided to race bikes. except it isn't a CAS case, it is a USADA case
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:22 |
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I don't believe he's guilty for a second.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:23 |
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:Well he had a good run and i would be surprised if there were any of the riders during that period (and now to be honest) who were not doping in some way. That's a good point, in fact all his contemporaries have come out as dopers, very few ever tested positive, though were later implicated and confessed. The real problem is the tests do not work. Athletes micro-dose their drug regimes and build up on the good stuff during the off season. The reason why you see more positives in cycling compared to other sports has more to do with Cycling being far more rigorous in testing and actually concerned with catching drug cheats.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:23 |
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Stereotype posted:except it isn't a CAS case, it is a USADA case Except USADA offered Lance the opportunity to have CAS arbitrate the case on US soil. He refused that option.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:25 |
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So many resources being devoted to going after some dude that rides a bike faster than anyone else. Now if only the banking conglomerates got persecuted with such vigor
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:26 |
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I don't think they can really prove he did it at this point. As far as I or anyone should be concerned, the only evidence that counts is his blood work because it's the only evidence that isn't circumstance.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:26 |
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So why exactly is it a federal crime to cheat at a sport anyway?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:29 |
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I got dibs on marketing the DopeStrong bracelets.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:30 |
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You're all loving morons if you think he wasn't doping. He isn't fighting the charges because he knows he will lose and by doing this he retains a lot more credibility with idiots that know nothing about cycling and Olympic sports then by fighting the charges and almost assuredly losing. Whether or not you think doping should be legalized with proper medical supervision it's currently illegal(i.e. a violation of the sports rules, I'm not talking crime) and people should be banned for cheating when they dope.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:32 |
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I think he's going about it the right way. I mean, sure it'll be spun as him basically admitting to it, but come on, he did a lot of impressive poo poo. Whether it's on some record or not doesn't change the fact that he did all that work. Enhanced or not. At least this way he can say, 'Yeah I just care about my family now, just say what you want,' and he'll get all the love and respect from that regardless of the case.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:35 |
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What the gently caress is a corrupted petro-state?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:36 |
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Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:After the drugs they use for doping are put through all the proper trials and tests of any other prescription medication of course. Seriously, its time we take competition to the next level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping Virtually no one seems to understand this. Everyone thinks he uses drugs. He doesn't. I guess it just sounds more sensational for the media to say "doping" instead of "blood doping." Edit - I'm an idiot. I didn't follow this story very closely and all I remembered was a story about people who saw him doing blood transfusions. Maldoror fucked around with this message at Aug 24, 2012 around 08:41 |
| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:36 |
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jyrka posted:I don't believe he's guilty for a second. To be fair, they do have ten witnesses prepared to testify under oath that he frequently and systematically used doping and even administered it to the rest of the team. Ten witnesses is overwhelming evidence and I find it hard to believe that all of them together are in some sort of conspiracy against Lance. Ten people putting themselves out like that is a rare thing for being butthurt. One or two maybe, but ten? Testimonies that were taken under the risk of perjury. The whole "They are out to get me" argument is not really flying imo. Sometimes it's not a conspiracy. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:39 |
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Trainmonk posted:I don't think they can really prove he did it at this point. As far as I or anyone should be concerned, the only evidence that counts is his blood work because it's the only evidence that isn't circumstance. You are aware he tested postive six times EPO in 1999. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...s-details_x.htm
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:40 |
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Maldoror posted:There are no drugs involved. They take their own blood, then re-inject it back into them later to boost stamina. Uh yeah, but he enhanced his hematocrit with EPO, and used testosterone to aid in recovery. Among other things.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:41 |
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Who really cares what some guy who invented a fashionable bracelet is doing in his personal life?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:41 |
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Black Pants posted:I think he's going about it the right way. I mean, sure it'll be spun as him basically admitting to it, but come on, he did a lot of impressive poo poo. Whether it's on some record or not doesn't change the fact that he did all that work. Enhanced or not. At least this way he can say, 'Yeah I just care about my family now, just say what you want,' and he'll get all the love and respect from that regardless of the case. He doesn't give a poo poo about his family, he probably doesn't even know his kids names. He left the mother of his kids to go bang the Olsen twins.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:43 |
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Kaitian posted:What the gently caress is a corrupted petro-state? Examples, well see Russia, Kazakhstan...
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:45 |
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Literally every single cyclist is on drugs, so what the hell is the point of this. Collectively, they have more drugs in them than a freaking pharmacy.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:52 |
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please respond posted:Blood passport information, testimony from former teammates, wire transfers to doping doctors, hush money payments to the UCI, you name it. And the fact he was able to win when everyone else was doped out of their asses. stratdax posted:Literally every single cyclist is on drugs, so what the hell is the point of this. Collectively, they have more drugs in them than a freaking pharmacy. Actually, there was signs in this years Tour De France that doping might be on the retreat.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:52 |
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Trainmonk posted:I don't think they can really prove he did it at this point. As far as I or anyone should be concerned, the only evidence that counts is his blood work because it's the only evidence that isn't circumstance. National Post posted:USADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:56 |
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Dude has one testicle. gently caress off!
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:57 |
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Whatever, he was still the best doper in a field of dopers.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 08:59 |
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jyrka posted:I don't believe he's guilty for a second. I dont believe the Jews are innocent in the events of 9/11 for a second. (See what i did there?)
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 09:16 |
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:I dont believe the Jews are innocent in the events of 9/11 for a second. No, what did you do there?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 09:27 |
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Adulterous Hitler posted:To be fair, they do have ten witnesses prepared to testify under oath that he frequently and systematically used doping and even administered it to the rest of the team. Something about this smells Mormon-y.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 09:28 |
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| # ? May 19, 2013 15:36 |
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What I want to know is, how does an athlete making megabucks not have an endocrinologist on call 24/7 to make sure he's properly cycling off his PED's?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2012 09:28 |
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