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Funky Britches posted:Who gives a poo poo? Because cancer research and cancer "awareness" are totally the same thing.
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Funky Britches posted:Who gives a poo poo? Because all the people who donated to the scam that is livestrong could have donated to actual cancer research and gotten much more bang for their buck.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:04 |
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Funky Britches posted:Who gives a poo poo? One searches for the cure to cancer, the other is a scam siphoning money away from the search for a cure. quote:Oh poo poo, only 20 million? I guess he really does deserve to die... Out of somewhere around 480 million received in donations. Livestrong is a scam; they're taking up space where an honest to god cancer fighting group could fill in and do something far better than wasting 460 million dollars on advertisements that fuel waste dumps or slush funds for friends. Manufacturing 80 million rubber plastic bands is not going to cure cancer. President Kucinich fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2013 around 00:09 |
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President Kucinich posted:One searches for the cure to cancer, the other is a scam siphoning money away from the search for a cure. It's the classic raising awareness trick seen in things such as the KONY charity, as well as cunning way to build up the Armstrong superman mystique. Or how it's the whole pinkwashing mentality seen in things such as Susan Komen Foundation, let's wear lots of shirts with corporate sponsor logos on them and headbands to make bad disease spontaneously disappear. Man gets cancer during a promising sports career but through lots of training still wins the prize out the end, it's a inspiring story until you realize that he's a jerk and doping fiend.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:10 |
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evensevenone posted:This thread seems to have gone other places, but Michele Ferrari has a poorly-written but interesting post on his website. He argues that the amount of testosterone you could get via olive oil infusions taken orally is negligable and that the amounts of EPO Lance etc would have gotten via micro-dosing would have been maybe a 3%-5% improvement in performance, and that they could have gotten similar increases in hemocrit just by altitude training. He's probably saying this bullshit to cover for his new star client Wiggins
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:17 |
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I wonder if Rachel Ray will ever do a EV-OOOOO doping recipe, the perfect meal before any bike ride.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:19 |
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Funky Britches posted:Oh poo poo, only 20 million? I guess he really does deserve to die... So you think it's totally cool to go to people, say "I'm fundraising for orphans!", take in $500 or so, drop $20 in the orphanage deposit box, and pocket the rest of it? You make it sound like he should be sainted because he took a "whole $20m" out of the $480m that was supposed to go to the same place the $20m did and actually put it where people who donated expected it to go.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:22 |
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Yes people are mad because the extra money totally would have cured cancer not at the fact the the organization is scam used to line it's board's pockets.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 00:29 |
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I think it's actually kind of adorable that we've got someone dopologizing this late in the thread.Funky Britches posted:Who gives a poo poo? It means they didn't do a goddamned thing for cancer prevention, shithead. So to answer your question, people with cancer. People with cancer probably give a poo poo that all that money is going to token "awareness" bullshit and, y'know, not to help them not have cancer. raditts fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2013 around 01:54 |
| # ? Jan 26, 2013 01:49 |
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Livestrong is no scam, and the Outside magazine article is a huge concern troll by a writer with an axe to grind. Livestrong's main purpose is to support cancer survivors, and they do valuable work there.quote:If you get diagnosed with cancer, you can call Livestrong at (in the USA) 855-220-7777 and they will do everything they can to help you get effective treatment, manage the disease and the havoc it can inflict upon your life, and in general support you as a human being. I have personal experience in this regard and every single person I have ever met who works for the organization or volunteers their time has been an outstanding example of a decent human being. Livestrong also disseminates a lot of info to help educate people about detecting and preventing cancer. It's too bad this is called "cancer awareness", which makes people think it's something nebulous and unhelpful. It's things like teaching people to do self-exams for breast or testicular cancer. All this knee-jerk bashing of Livestrong is based on disgust over Armstrong's doping and dishonesty, but Armstrong doesn't run Livestrong. Livestrong helps cancer survivors by providing concrete support services.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 02:21 |
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To give credit where it is due, they also run a pretty good general lifestyle tip and SEO aggregator site.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 02:29 |
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Most of the American Cancer Society's money goes to "awareness" as well, only like a quarter goes to research. Komen spends $180 million on "Education" and $75million on research, although if you read their website they make it sounds like they were responsible for literally every advance in breast cancer treatment in the past 30 years.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 03:28 |
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You see raising awareness for cancer is important because it generates more money for the charity. Once awareness is raised high enough they can get all the donations they need to beat cancer once and for all. Which cancers? All of them. But it starts with awareness. 
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 04:06 |
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There's plenty enough to hate about Lance that you don't need to start quibbling over what cancer awareness means.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 04:10 |
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raditts posted:I think it's actually kind of adorable that we've got someone dopologizing this late in the thread. As i tried to point out earlier, you will never run out of people defending Armstrong. He could gently caress a kid and he'd still have defenders, at this point. Once you reach a certain status in people's minds, once you're an inspiration, nothing you do will change how they view you.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 04:23 |
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Lurdiak posted:As i tried to point out earlier, you will never run out of people defending Armstrong. He could gently caress a kid and he'd still have defenders, at this point. Once you reach a certain status in people's minds, once you're an inspiration, nothing you do will change how they view you. Ah yes, the Paterno quotient.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 07:24 |
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Lurdiak posted:As i tried to point out earlier, you will never run out of people defending Armstrong. He could gently caress a kid and he'd still have defenders, at this point. Once you reach a certain status in people's minds, once you're an inspiration, nothing you do will change how they view you. There was a guy in the British Pedogeddon thread that was defending Jimmy "loving Kids and Corpses" Savile.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 07:30 |
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NewtGoongrich posted:There was a guy in the British Pedogeddon thread that was defending Jimmy "loving Kids and Corpses" Savile. No, I refuse to believe this.
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nature6pk posted:No, I refuse to believe this. Welcome to The Internet, please leave your hope and faith at the door.
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nature6pk posted:No, I refuse to believe this. You have been reading this thread, right?
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 09:30 |
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NewtGoongrich posted:There was a guy in the British Pedogeddon thread that was defending Jimmy "loving Kids and Corpses" Savile. Jimmy may have shagged the occasional dead kid but by God he never once took EPO! 
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 09:51 |
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This whole argument about his charitable contributions is a bit silly. Is there a major athlete anywhere that doesn't have some sort of foundation or charitable contribution? Hell, given the tax implications and the positive press, is there a major corporation anywhere that doesn't have a foundation or another major way of doing charity? Add to that the fact that livestrong board members are well paid, and that livestrong has licensed its name for a bunch of for profit endeavors, and it is hard to argue that things would be much different in terms of charity funding without Armstrong.
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nature6pk posted:No, I refuse to believe this. His basic argument was something along these lines: "Jimmy Savile can never be tried in court and he's legally innocent. He'd never even been charged! How could anyone tarnish that poor man's reputation. Also, the kids are lying for money." Welcome to the internet. Leave your sanity behind 
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 16:03 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22023732quote:Lance Armstrong has withdrawn from the Masters South Central Zone Swimming Championships in Texas this weekend after an objection from swimming's international governing body. try again, Lance!
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| # ? May 19, 2013 19:43 |
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Guess he doesn't understand that doping has to stay underground, not underwater.
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