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Quiet Python posted:I love my Smuggler, he's the handsomest man in seven systems. So why the hell does just about every piece of Smuggler headgear involve a crash helmet and/or a face mask? I want to show off that beard and those flowing locks, not cover them up! The Sith Inquisitor full-helmets would look nice with a hooded robe. Unfortunately they force the hood down even if you have a chestpiece with one. And yeah, DS feels oogy in most cases. Even the Inq I was running power-hungry tends to pick LS choices when it doesn't directly benefit her. She gets some odd lines, like entire conversations were recorded with an assumption the player would go all-top or all-bottom even on the non-LS/DS choices. It makes her sound insane when she says one line in a normal voice and the next one giddy with evil glee. Other classes have that a bit but SIFemale seems to be rather extreme. Female SWarr's silly choices were dark sarcasm, which went well with her other more formal responses.
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Hulk Smash! posted:I thought we weren't supposed to talk about the agent storyline, even in spoilers. Other people would run other threads. If we can coordinate I'd like there to be some crossover, but it's not mandatory. Also... Hulk Smash! posted:Regarding the possible other class playthroughs by other people, Moon Splayer; were you planning on having them in this thread or links to separate ones? Mods, name change please. Alectai posted:Okay, busy trying to piece things together for a first post. No fancy videos here, but I should be able to get something that isn't completely embarrassing with regards to screenshots. Once I get Moonslayer's official OK, I'll likely start working on that. You have it! I'd recommend posting one or two test posts in the Sandcastle to get some constructive feedback before starting the thread. When you do start it, go ahead and post a link to it here.
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Zaodai posted:I mained a Bounty Hunter when I played and I'm pretty sure Nem'ro still had the same 3 lieutenants. You just didn't get a companion out of the deal. You know I could've sworn Nem'ro had one of those Devil Looking dudes as a Lieutenant in the Bounty Hunter story. The Agent does have some swank looking armour sets up until you get to the current highest tier PvP set. I have no idea what's happening there. The texture on the thing makes it look like a rubber suit even though there's clearly armour plates. Also it's butt ugly.
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Kata-Haro posted:You know I could've sworn Nem'ro had one of those Devil Looking dudes as a Lieutenant in the Bounty Hunter story.  He does, this guy. Present in both storylines. [EDIT]That screenshot is directly from the LP, so hopefully it isn't spoiling anything to reveal that he's one of Nem'ros lieutenants. I figured it was obvious from context.
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The Smuggler story had a very different feel from my Jedi characters' stories. When you're a Knight, you're basically told "Here's a goal, and here's a whole bunch of obstacles for you to smash your way through. At some point, you will have the opportunity to make a speech before kicking rear end." You're dealing with military officers and Jedi masters and high-ranking diplomats, because you're a Jedi and you're kind of a big deal. When you're a Smuggler, you're basically told "Here's something you want, and there's people who don't want you to have it. But there is a crazy hare-brained scheme that just might get you what you want and screw over these other guys, so get out there and lie, cheat, flirt and steal to get what you need to pull this off." You're dealing with card-sharps and crime bosses and bounty hunters, because those are the circles you run in and those are the people you know. At the end of the day, it's still collecting MacGuffins and punching Big Bads in the dick, but the flavor is different.
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Moon Slayer posted:You have it! I'd recommend posting one or two test posts in the Sandcastle to get some constructive feedback before starting the thread. When you do start it, go ahead and post a link to it here. Sounds good then, now I just need to get over my crushing self esteem issues and learn how to Screenshot LP. Or I could just do a video, but I'm almost certain that this is probably a billion times more complicated.
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Alectai posted:Sounds good then, now I just need to get over my crushing self esteem issues and learn how to Screenshot LP. You don't want to do a video LP of an MMORPG. You'd have to do really, really well for it to live up to even a mediocre screenshot LP by comparison because there is so much crap you'd either have to make interesting (not easy) or cut out (lots of work). Stop by the sandcastle when you've got an OP ready and have people critique it. They'll give you lots of handy advice.
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Nah I mean those dudes that actually look like devils , horns and everything. Like the companion Gault. Although I remember him having a red Twi'Lek in the bounty story too. Not sure it's the same one though. As a true Imperial these aliens all look the same to me.
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Quiet Python posted:The Smuggler story had a very different feel from my Jedi characters' stories. Yeah, Bounty Hunter is "go to this planet and hunt this bounty" but they have some nice ways of changing up the style of it at first. One you're making the guy come to you, another they're barely slipping through your fingers at every stop, and so on. Feels like they forget that in the second half though, and the later planets are all "you know where the guy is, but you've got to jump through hoops before you get there." It's less of a chase/hunt and more "find keycard, get bounty." EDIT: on another note, I know the Imperial stance is "gently caress aliens, except for Chiss" but I can't recall, did the Chiss do something to earn their respect or is it because their spies and fleet could wipe the Empire out if they wanted to?
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I'm pretty sure they hate Chiss as much as the others. They just bitch about them behind their backs instead of right in their faces. This will come up waaaay later. Also at this point in time the Chiss Ascendancy is an ally of the Empire.
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The deal with the Chiss in TOR is that when the Sith Empire was expanding in the Unknown Regions, they eventually encountered the Chiss Ascendancy and offered the Chiss the same offer the Empire had made to every other civilization they'd encountered: surrender or die. Every race the Empire had encountered had fought and lost. The Chiss, however, asked about that first option instead. A stunned Empire put together a peace summit with the Ascendancy, and the net result is that the Empire gained the Ascendancy as a vassal state - the Chiss make their resources, wealth, and military available to the Empire, but in exchange the Chiss have internal autonomy, are recognized as legally equal to humans, and no one, not even Sith Lords, can enter Chiss territory without the Ascendancy's explicit permission. The Empire, by and large, is very confused about how the Chiss managed to pull that off. Internally, Chiss are usually regarded as a step above other aliens, but by no means equal to humans.
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Kata-Haro posted:Nah I mean those dudes that actually look like devils , horns and everything. Like the companion Gault. Ah I know what you mean. Never seen him have one of those guys, though. [EDIT]You run into one as a quest guy later, though. Just not in the throne room.
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Cythereal posted:The deal with the Chiss in TOR is that when the Sith Empire was expanding in the Unknown Regions, they eventually encountered the Chiss Ascendancy What really gets me is how both the Ascendancy and Sith somehow forget about the Chiss in the intervening years, to the point where Thrawn joining is a big loving deal. Oh sure, it's been thousands of years, but we're not dealing with stone tablets and parchment anymore.
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CommissarMega posted:What really gets me is how both the Ascendancy and Sith somehow forget about the Chiss in the intervening years, to the point where Thrawn joining is a big loving deal. Oh sure, it's been thousands of years, but we're not dealing with stone tablets and parchment anymore. The answer is that LucasArts approves novels/comics/games/underwear to anyone with a pulse and so the EU has fairly limited internal consistency. I'm almost positive Bioware's rational for setting Knights of the Old Republic so far away from all "modern" Star Wars stories is so they didn't have to deal with all that bullshit. Also so the prequels stink wouldn't be as heavy on them.
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CommissarMega posted:What really gets me is how both the Ascendancy and Sith somehow forget about the Chiss in the intervening years, to the point where Thrawn joining is a big loving deal. Oh sure, it's been thousands of years, but we're not dealing with stone tablets and parchment anymore. The Chiss just want to be left the gently caress alone. Once the Sith Empire is destroyed you can bet all their agents and soldiers return to Chiss space. And you can bet they didn't tell the Republic where they were either. If given a choice they wouldn't ally with the Sith. But if alliance is what is necessary to ensure they'll be left alone, alliance is what they'll get.
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CommissarMega posted:What really gets me is how both the Ascendancy and Sith somehow forget about the Chiss in the intervening years, to the point where Thrawn joining is a big loving deal. Oh sure, it's been thousands of years, but we're not dealing with stone tablets and parchment anymore. Is the "spikey Alien" guy you're trying to talk about one of these guys? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chagrian Strangely in TOR they seem to have become the male version of "Togruta"s TANGENT TIME! Partly related but >.>  Ladies and Gentlemen, That's Exar Kun, Dark Lord of the Sith who reigned before Revan. To his left in the panel is Mandalore and behind him are Massassi warriors. I'm throwing this particular panel out there because it's from when they attacked Corescant and managed to break into the Republic Senate and free Ulic Qel-Droma (the 2nd most powerful sith) from imprisonment. Strangely, at the time, the Senate's president was a C'thulu lookin guy. Apparently in the intervening 400-500 years Mandalorians have become "special humans" and the Republic didn't upgrade it's defenses (although crashing a shuttle into the Jedi Temple did take some inspiration. Related backstory for TOR. Basically the Empire and Republic (at the point in time of the LP) are at a very technical peace, that was attained after the a direct strike on Courscant that included the destruction of the Jedi Temple (seen in the third trailer released, headed by Darth Malgus). It put a LOT of stuff into disarray, and many of the early republic planet storylines have to do with rebuilding/restructuring the planets so that they'll survive for a longer period. Basically it's the cold war... if the Cold War was started after the Soviet Union dropped an airplane on Buckingham Palace and killed nearly everyone in it before fleeing. Also  That's Naga Sadow, who we've all visited around in the Kotor games, and is probably the archtype most people think of when they consider "Sith Lord"... well "Pureblood" Sith Lord. This guy managed to engineer the Great Hyperspace War, when the Sith, as an Empire, first showed up. They were beaten back, but it took some doing, and was way back about 5000 years before the Battle at Yavin IV (Episode IV). You know what? I'm just gonna plonk this here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Wars That basically goes from the Wars of Naga Sadow to about 1000 BBY and all the wars between "Sith" and "Jedi". Personally, I'd argue that the Great Sith War had a larger impact on the Society of Star Wars, given that entire star systems died (including a Jedi capitol planet... Ossus), while Revan's wars and those that followed were not QUITE as ridiculous in terms of destruction (Exar Kun literally caused an entire blasted stellar Nursery to supernova). >.> <.< Now I feel incredibly nerdy. I do wish they'd kept SOME of the art style from the old Comics.
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Hulk Smash! posted:Chewbot: I know you mentioned that you were an environment artist but what was the decision making process like for the look of armor sets? I ask because, uh, let's say the choices are either a) fugly, b) not very Star Wars looking or c) both. I won't link images in case of spoilers but anyone who's played the game knows what I'm talking about. Edit: redacted. I guess you found one of the things I'm not comfortable railing against because of the people I know. The gist of it: management and non-artists turned art review into a grueling appeasement process until nobody really cared anymore. That and WoW-ification. How do you make dozens of armor sets for a class the most badass of whom wore plain brown robes? Somebody says "Let's do what WoW did and break out the giant shoulderpads". Sadness all around. Chewbot fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Sep 4, 2012 |
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Chewbot posted:Somebody says "Let's do what WoW did and..." TOR summed up in a nutshell, right there. Next update will come later on in the week, or the weekend at the latest. I want to build up a sizable buffer, which will mean faster updates but less audience participation. Is everyone OK with that?
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Moon Slayer posted:TOR summed up in a nutshell, right there. You say that, but so much of the stuff they did wrong was seemingly out of a desire to not be like WoW. They changed all the chat colors (that WoW used) to mean different things. The crafting system was similar but enough different to throw you off some. Instances worked differently, PvP was loving god awful in every way imaginable. The world PvP planet? Designed so that when functioning normally it lagged the servers so hard it was unplayable for everyone. If they had just taken WoW and reskinned everything into Star Wars characters, they could have printed money. But they poo poo it up on every front and threw poor customer support on top of it.
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Yeah, I don't begrudge the armor designers. Unlike fantasy, Star Wars didn't really have a rich history of ridiculous armor and weapons to draw from. Each character in the movies pretty much had one iconic look and they were all pretty simple. It was a tough job and I don't think there's much they could have done. But that crafting system, wow. gently caress those guys.
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I'd expect them to have had more jedi armors with... well armor. Instead of the magical cloaks that can deflect more than a piece of steel. Note to self: if creating a derivative work, never EVER force yourself to stick to closely to the originals art.
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It would be amusing if the Sith stayed in robes but added a lot of decoration and bling as they got more awesome and ran out of people to tell them not to (the Lucas effect) while Jedi, being more lenient in their training regimen, started out with a lot of personalization and flair and removed it as they mastered the Force. A Jedi badass advertises himself by the mere fact that he doesn't NEED to advertise how awesome he is. Hard to put into a game though.
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Be hilarious if sith warriors started turning into superhero costumes... I am a bit annoyed that Sith get masks and headdresses and so on... and jedi get a tiara and glasses.
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 Sith Warrior: Update 1 - In a Galaxy Far, Far Away?  quote:The Sith Warrior Sith Warrior Intro (recommended viewing)  Deception (The Sith Warrior)  Korriban     I thought it would be bigger.  I'm Overseer Tremel. For decades, I've administered the trials that prove who is and is not worthy to join the Sith Order. The trials are a chance to weed out the weak. Those who face them either survive and become Sith, or die. Mark my words, I am destined to be Sith. Now, when do I get my lightsaber? It's going to be a pain in the rear end if I've got to walk around beating people with this stick. It wasn't destiny that brought you here. Yes, you are here and ahead of schedule because of me. I expect you to obey. You face your trials, you serve me, and I will make you the most powerful acolyte here. Why am I skeptical? Have a critical edge, but recognize who is on your side. Ok, I know this. Is the answer 'nobody?' The trials themselves are difficult enough, but they are hardly the greatest threat you face. There's an acolyte here named Vemrin. He's your enemy, and he will try to kill you. We must prepare you. Let him try. I'll destroy him. With my guidance, someday you'll destroy all your enemies. Right. So, just give me a lightsaber? No. I thought this was supposed to be the 'quick and easy' path. In the tomb of Ajunta Pall, there's an old armory. A strong Sith warblade awaits you there. The tomb is thick with k'lor'slugs--deadly, savage creatures. Be speedy but careful. They've been the end of many an acolyte. What? What? Get a bigger stick. Beat things with it. I think I can handle that. What? Oh, yeah. Sure. Whatever. Thank you. You're the acolyte Overseer Tremel had brought in special, right? Heading down in the tomb to show what you're made of? Yes. That's correct. Does everyone here know that Overseer Tremel 'brought me in special?' Yes. Well here's your chance to not only show off for the overseers but start building ties to the Imperial military as well.   I'm here commanding a hard target mission to exterminate the k'lor'slugs in this tomb. They're... horrific things. Mouths bigger than your head. Your men obviously need better training, Sergeant. Those men were battle-hardened. The enemy just has more numbers.  The drat k'lor'slugs breed so fast there's no way to wipe them out conventionally. So we started targeting their egg chambers. They went insane. We managed to get explosives to all of the egg chambers, but the k'lor'slugs were all over us before we could detonate them. Are you sure this plan of yours will actually work? I don't know. I have to hope so. Without the breeding chambers, the k'lor'slugs lose the numbers. Then we can wipe them out. Sure you can. Smarter than you, maybe. SERGEANT! Yes, acolyte? Did you try beating them with sticks?
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The issue I've always had with this game, and it's an issue that probably holds true for most MMOs but is really noticeable in this one, is that almost every quest giver is extremely incompetent when it comes to whatever they do and there's always a ready made excuse that: "We're a crack squad of special forces USUALLY but these guys/monsters/robots are just bad rear end, we need you, the level 1 sith warrior to do our jobs for us, please." In a game with a fairly large amount of things that proved annoying to me, that is something that was on the top of my list of things that really bothered me while I was playing.
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devilmaydry posted:The issue I've always had with this game, and it's an issue that probably holds true for most MMOs but is really noticeable in this one, is that almost every quest giver is extremely incompetent when it comes to whatever they do and there's always a ready made excuse that: "We're a crack squad of special forces USUALLY but these guys/monsters/robots are just bad rear end, we need you, the level 1 sith warrior to do our jobs for us, please." I always figured it made sense in a Star Wars game. I mean, Stormtroopers couldn't fight off a colicky baby, much less giant worms and demon things. Give him a few thousand men, then he can clear that minor level 1 cave. By engorging the animals so much they can no longer move. Or they die of heart failure. Basically, they're all commanded by Zapp Brannigan.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Sith Warrior Supplemental: Update 1  I like where this is going.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
Me too but, again, I would prefer if other classes had their own threads, since I find that LPs with multiple simultaneous playthroughs tend to quickly lose focus and are harder to follow. Personal opinion, not my thread, and all that. Chewbot posted:Edit: redacted. I guess you found one of the things I'm not comfortable railing against because of the people I know. The gist of it: management and non-artists turned art review into a grueling appeasement process until nobody really cared anymore. Sorry, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Thanks for trying to answer anyway 
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Loving the thread, it's making me itch to do my own LP since someone's doing the Light Side Sith Warrior of doing a Dark Side Jedi since we're only seeing the Sith/Imperial side of the game so far.
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Dammit guys stop making me want to reinstall this game at least until it goes FTP. (When is that due by the way?) e: poo poo! Apparently I never got around to uninstalling when I unsubscribed. ActionZero fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Sep 4, 2012 |
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ActionZero posted:Dammit guys stop making me want to reinstall this game at least until it goes FTP. (When is that due by the way?) Log in and mail all your credits to Abeena. In fact, everybody do this.
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Oh man, a Sith Warrior playthrough! You already know my request (which will, of course, be denied because  ).e: also, why, exactly, are the Sith so speciesist? I mean, half of the most powerful ones in antiquity, and the emperor of the TOR timeline, weren't even human.
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Calax posted:I do wish they'd kept SOME of the art style from the old Comics. I have to agree with this. I'm sure this was before your time, Chewbot, but do you know what the thinking was on abandoning the aesthetic from "Tales of the Jedi?" While in parts it was pretty silly, it gave the impression of a setting at an earlier time period. In contrast, making the KotOR games look almost exactly like the the prequels makes all the time periods interchangable. Although my favorite interpretation of the Star Wars universe has to be the "Jedi vs. Sith" comic just for the sheer  factor.Also, if I can put my  hat on, the problem with making the Hutt Palace on Nal Hutta look like Jabba's from RotJ is that Jabba wasn't the original builder of the palace. It was originally a monastary. The actual builders? That spider-droid with a brain in a jar that we see for all of two seconds.
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I'm enjoying this thread immensely either way, so whatever works for you, go for it. I can understand if there was limited inspiration or guidance to draw upon for the TOR armor, but that simply doesn't excuse early Trooper gear. Nothing ever will.   I mean, at least the Jedi, you can look at that and go, 'yeah, Jedi.' I think Jedi gear always looks alright (headgear entirely aside, since all of it is always the worst and hidden) but my god. That's my Commando speaking and you can see another male Trooper as well to compare. We don't even. What. Why. This is the super-armor you get after finishing the first world, too. This is what you aspire to. RE the Cardassi-Sith Warrior excerpt: I always just feel so drat bad for Imperial troops I run across in any story. They really do have it the worst by a lot. The Republic guys kill them because they're serving the Sith Empire, and, well, their own superiors don't give a poo poo about them at best because, uh, they're serving the Sith Empire. They literally have nobody on their side and Korriban makes this abundantly clear later on. HunterBlackLuna fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 4, 2012 |
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Hulk Smash! posted:Me too but, again, I would prefer if other classes had their own threads, since I find that LPs with multiple simultaneous playthroughs tend to quickly lose focus and are harder to follow. Personal opinion, not my thread, and all that. I saw my run as a supplement to Moon Slayer's, but if this is the general consensus I can easily make a new thread. whowhatwhere posted:Oh man, a Sith Warrior playthrough! You already know my request (which will, of course, be denied because It will be pointed out; but it's a path I refuse to walk down. whowhatwhere posted:e: also, why, exactly, are the Sith so speciesist? I mean, half of the most powerful ones in antiquity, and the emperor of the TOR timeline, weren't even human. Because they're stupid, mostly. Believe me, I'm going to be making fun of it at every opportunity.
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To be technical, the Sith Emperor is a sith, and the Sith in general (as a species) are considered to be "higher" than humans.
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