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WORK IN PROGRESS Welp, PITR has been consigned to the trash heap of history and the remaining degenerate refugees have been instructed to come here. So ITT we talk about online poker! FAQ What are the rules of poker? There are many different varieties of poker, you will probably be familiar with the most popular form: Texas Hold'em. Wikipedia has good explanations for the basic rules for the most popular forms of poker available for online play: Texas Hold'em Omaha Hold'em Seven Card Stud Razz (Stud Low) H.O.R.S.E. 5 Card Draw camoseven posted:Is there any place for US players to play online for money now? Or will there be anytime soon? Currently Carbon Poker and Lock Poker accept USA based players, but it should be noticed that anyone playing on these sites will face difficulties depositing and withdrawing real money. There is movement being made in the legal climate surrounding onliner poker and internet gambling in general in the USA but its impossible to say if there will be any sort of federal regulation in the foreseeable future. Nevada is already in the process of licensing new online gaming operators (see here) but this will only allow players based within the state. Useful Links Pokersites: http://www.pokerstars.com http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/ http://www.partypoker.com/ http://www.ipoker.com/ http://www.carbonpoker.ag/ http://www.lockpoker.eu/ Official FTP relaunch thread on 2p2 which includes a FAQ for both Rest of World (ROW) and USA players: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/official-ftp-pre-relaunch-thread-op-updated-august-14-2012-a-1232335/ 2+2 Glossary of Poker Terms and Acronyms: http://www.twoplustwo.com/acronyms.php Official IRC Channel: #poker on SynIRC. There is also #SmallStakes for people who want to talk mostly micro/small stakes poker. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Aug 31, 2012 |
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Aug 29, 2012 18:41
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Aug 29, 2012 18:41
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Is there any place for US players to play online for money now? Or will there be anytime soon?
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Aug 29, 2012 18:43
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camoseven posted:Is there any place for US players to play online for money now? Or will there be anytime soon? I believe Cake is still open to US players, and Carbon may be as well. Should a licensing bill pass through Congress, Full Tilt/Pokerstars will probably be first in line to get licenses, and right behind them would probably be the other networks as well as the major brick and mortar casinos.
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Aug 29, 2012 18:58
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Gadamer posted:This OP clearly took much
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Aug 29, 2012 19:02
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I for one welcome the refugees. If you want me to change the icon to the BRAND NEW poker icon for easy sorting, let me know.
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Aug 29, 2012 19:13
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Winson_Paine posted:I for one welcome the refugees. If you want me to change the icon to the BRAND NEW poker icon for easy sorting, let me know. Yes please
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Aug 29, 2012 19:18
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Its not just Carbon and Lock still accepting US players eh? Those are just the favored sites of the merge and cake networks?
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Aug 29, 2012 19:24
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For those of you playing on Stars, is PLO zoom microstakes much softer than NLHE? At first brush that seems to be the case, but I'd like to hear your impressions.
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Aug 29, 2012 19:37
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Blinky2099 posted:Better than all of yours, fuckface See? This is the type of GBS trolling I want to avoid.
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Aug 29, 2012 20:06
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Gadamer posted:See? This is the type of GBS trolling I want to avoid. Baddog posted:Its not just Carbon and Lock still accepting US players eh? Those are just the favored sites of the merge and cake networks?
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Aug 29, 2012 20:08
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So what's all this about licensing and the government allowing poker or..?? Help a brother out here
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Aug 29, 2012 21:59
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I think some Merge sites are open to US (I still have a little cash on Aced, the site Jamie Gold endorsed for like, a month) but the competition is tough. Same guys at every drat table, nearly everyone plays 22/18/6, it's such a grind.
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Aug 29, 2012 22:07
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JAMOOOL posted:I think some Merge sites are open to US (I still have a little cash on Aced, the site Jamie Gold endorsed for like, a month) but the competition is tough. Same guys at every drat table, nearly everyone plays 22/18/6, it's such a grind. What an auspicious start to the new thread 
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Aug 29, 2012 22:43
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Hey Moose, why don't you post why that is a bad opinion instead of just posting that its a bad opinion.
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Aug 29, 2012 23:43
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MassaShowtime posted:Hey Moose, why don't you post why that is a bad opinion instead of just posting that its a bad opinion. edit: i know that you knew. i agree moose should play nicer damnit, this thread already sucks Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Aug 29, 2012 |
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Aug 29, 2012 23:48
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I know that's what Moose means. But only what, 20 of us have been around for all that long and can understand Moose. Edit: And I've always liked and appreciated Moose. He can be super helpful and insightful when he wants to be, but that post does nothing but drive people away when we probably all need to post more and be more welcoming (to a certain extent anyway) after what happened to PITR.
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Aug 29, 2012 23:50
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MassaShowtime posted:I know that's what Moose means. But only what, 20 of us have been around for all that long and can understand Moose. mom and dad are getting divorced and im screaming at both of them and i hate it when people jump in and throw around some slang so it looks like they are "in" oh yea dude it's such a "grind" playing against those "22/18/6" "stats"
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Aug 29, 2012 23:57
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I've been playing since the Party days of 2003 and have made quite a bit back when I was taking it seriously so why don't you cool it? I get that poker players take pride in their abrasiveness but seriously, I've made all of one post here. All I'm saying is that the US-friendly sites I've been on are filled with tight-aggressive regs at every level (I'm playing mostly 6max here), and there's virtually no new blood at any levels above $100NL; even the robo-grinders that are still somewhat exploitable generally dwell at the $25 level and are nowhere near the types of players we'd see even right before Black Friday. And rakeback got nerfed pretty hard as well, so even straight grinding isn't really as profitable as its been. Ever since say, 2005 or so it's always felt like it's more and more sharks fighting for smaller and smaller pieces of the pie, and IMO this is directly a result of 1) the Neteller fiasco, 2) the decision to allow people to mass multitable, and 3) the emergence of software such as PokerTracker. Obviously regulation would help A LOT but unless you are a genius poker player like Moose apparently is, right now US online poker is basically dead.
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Aug 30, 2012 00:10
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Tight aggressive regs are super exploitable though is what Moose is trying to say. Those guys aren't sharks, they're simply better than the total fish or weak tight nits. There are still adjustments you can make that they won't. Edit: Its also a lot more complex than those 3 stats. How often does he cbet, what does he do against x flop etc. Darude - Adam Sandstorm fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 30, 2012 |
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Aug 30, 2012 00:15
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:mom and dad are getting divorced and im screaming at both of them OK, some slack is being cut for the transitional period but everybody be cool or I will ask you again to not be uncool.
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Aug 30, 2012 00:32
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JAMOOOL posted:I've been playing since the Party days of 2003 and have made quite a bit back when I was taking it seriously so why don't you cool it? I get that poker players take pride in their abrasiveness but seriously, I've made all of one post here. All I'm saying is And all I'm saying is you're wrong and ignorant. Your concepts and ideas regarding poker are antiquated. Also rakeback has not been "nerfed" since merge is doing 35% and ftp was only doing 27%. Wellcome to the megathread thanks for you're very informative post on how "poker games are harder now" Winson_Paine posted:OK, some slack is being cut for the transitional period but everybody be cool or I will ask you again to not be uncool. It's nice that you're being cool and all but they are still loving us hard without even thinking about it a second time.
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Aug 30, 2012 00:37
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Come join us in TG, MY INEVITABLE DEBT. Forever and ever and ever and ever
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Aug 30, 2012 00:51
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winvirus posted:So what's all this about licensing and the government allowing poker or..?? Help a brother out here PokerStars, the one reputable mainstream site it turns out, has cut a deal with the US Government that allowed it to pay a substantial fine but be able to purchase Full Tilt Poker. The licensing regulations have been analysed and the wind is blowing towards legalising online gambling with some level of oversight, though how long away is a question given the current election. 6-15 months best estimate to when US players would be back into the mainstream online system.
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:And all I'm saying is you're wrong and ignorant. Your concepts and ideas regarding poker are antiquated. Also rakeback has not been "nerfed" since merge is doing 35% and ftp was only doing 27%. oh really? Maybe explain how the games are getting softer then? btw the site I was on went to a tiered system in which I was only getting like 10% That + the rewards they gave equaled out to nearly 50% before. MassaShowtime posted:Tight aggressive regs are super exploitable though is what Moose is trying to say. Those guys aren't sharks, they're simply better than the total fish or weak tight nits. There are still adjustments you can make that they won't. Well of course it is. The c-bet numbers have changed a bit too, there were guys who auto c-betted and it was easy to just check raise nearly every time and win a bunch of pots on that alone. A lot of players are mixing it up. Again, not saying it can't be profitable, just that on Merge at least, anything above .5/1 is so reg infested that it's hardly worth the time (at least for me. I guess I'm not that good?), and even the .25/.50 tables are getting to be a grind now that players are balancing their range in ways they hadn't before. Given that Merge doesn't have many tables going at these levels it often devolves into the same 2-3 dudes at every table, 6-max or not. Definitely not all sharks but I have seen some very good players there, as the games above $200 NL seem to be all but dead right now. We need regulation badly  (and maybe a limit on how many tables you can play)
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Aug 30, 2012 03:15
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I hadn't even heard that online poker had been shut down; I guess I should have noticed that I was no longer being inundated with ads for it. Can someone give a brief rundown of what happened? How does it stand, legally, in other countries?
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Aug 30, 2012 03:18
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JAMOOOL posted:oh really? Maybe explain how the games are getting softer then? btw the site I was on went to a tiered system in which I was only getting like 10% That + the rewards they gave equaled out to nearly 50% before. Affiliates are the best way to go to get legit rakeback, I assumed that's what you were referring to because usually when a site does it it's referred to as a VIP program. And the games aren't getting any softer but I think you discourage people from picking up poker when you say that "the games are hard" for someone who has played since 2003. Not to mention you're only considering No Limit Hold'Em when there are many poker variants that are popular and soft like Pot Limit Omaha. quote:Well of course it is. The c-bet numbers have changed a bit too, there were guys who auto c-betted and it was easy to just check raise nearly every time and win a bunch of pots on that alone. A lot of players are mixing it up. Again, not saying it can't be profitable, just that on Merge at least, anything above .5/1 is so reg infested that it's hardly worth the time (at least for me. I guess I'm not that good?this is basically what im saying), and even the .25/.50 tables are getting to be a grind now that players are balancing their range in ways they hadn't before. Given that Merge doesn't have many tables going at these levels it often devolves into the same 2-3 dudes at every table, 6-max or not. Definitely not all sharks but I have seen some very good players there, as the games above $200 NL seem to be all but dead right now. We need regulation badly Sure, we need regulation. Everyone knows that. Games are less profitable than they were even 2 years ago. It doesn't mean it's not worth your time to play poker. For most people it won't be worth their time until well into their poker careers, if it ever becomes "worth it" to them. It's a fun game regardless of how much money you are making at it. I think it would be pretty fun to try to beat those 2-3 regs.
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well, as an upside, maybe now i can find someone from traditional games to coach me in magic drafts in exchange for poker coaching. not kidding incase any sick mtg drafters from tg sees this  i agree that winson has been really the only consistently logical voice from the admins with us pitr "refugees" and it's definitely appreciated. i'm not sure why we couldn't have had a reasonable discourse ending in a planned, smooth transition into our new home. if the decision to close pitr was absolutely final from the very start, then ok, that's the right of the admins, but treating us like children because we initially protested and tried to lobby against the closure of our longtime home forum just doesn't seem right to me. the closing announcement was said to be made in order to give pitr regulars time to wrap up the money transfer thread. somehow, though, the entire money xfer thread is deleted instead with no explanation, potentially screwing various PITRers out hundreds or thousands of dollars in unfinished transactions. and why lock the final discussion post? once the end was a certainty, we could have certainly had a reasonable discussion as to where to go, what the prerequisites are for us to revive pitr, said our goodbyes. the heavy-handed response from admins just doesn't seem appropriate or necessary given that we are a fairly reasonable, professional collection of people overall. of course, spasticmoose/my inevitable debt could have handled this a little more calmly, but he's a only a single user - his actions shouldn't incite a more harsh/negative reaction against the greater membership of the forum from administrators. i've always been proud to rep pitr and sa on the live tournament scene and i'll still post in the threads in tg. it may even turn out to be a good thing for the pitr community. some fresh blood may wander in here and we definitely could use some of that. i just wish we could've made this move without so many people feeling bad about it.
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From the closed thread:rouliroul posted:
And Unamuno and JCarver got to be on a few ESPN feature tables. And two more goons made final tables in WSOP events. 
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Aug 30, 2012 05:12
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As always, JCarver nails it.
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JCarver posted:well, as an upside, maybe now i can find someone from traditional games to coach me in magic drafts in exchange for poker coaching. not kidding incase any sick mtg drafters from tg sees this I swear you must have hired a publicist or something, because someone who has spent so much time contributing to PITR and keeping strategy discussions going, even after he made it big, deserves to be a lot more upset about this - and thats the most level headed post ever.
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Aug 30, 2012 06:31
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I'm a little confused to how you guys all ended up here. I've never played Poker or gone into the poker forum, so I may be getting this arse over head but from what I gather online poker was banned in America, so the forum was closed? What about all the non-USA goons who play online poker? Where you really that small a forum that once you lost American online poker it was deemed not necessary to have a forum for the rest of the world?
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Baddog posted:I swear you must have hired a publicist or something, because someone who has spent so much time contributing to PITR and keeping strategy discussions going, even after he made it big, deserves to be a lot more upset about this - and thats the most level headed post ever. well the thought did cross my mind to shriek "hu for forum???" at ozma through the internet tubes at one point
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d3c0y2 posted:I'm a little confused to how you guys all ended up here. I've never played Poker or gone into the poker forum, so I may be getting this arse over head but from what I gather online poker was banned in America, so the forum was closed? Online poker was never actually banned in America, I and several other American PITR people are still playing full-time for a living.
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JCarver posted:well, as an upside, maybe now i can find someone from traditional games to coach me in magic drafts in exchange for poker coaching. not kidding incase any sick mtg drafters from tg sees this I'm not sure its my place to speak for him but zero star said his online limited rating was in the high 1800s, which isn't quite pro tour but pretty drat close. I also get shitfaced and draft with my a bunch of guys 3-4 times a year and one of them used to write for wotc. He still does design work on the duel decks, and he can definitely put you in touch with some top tier players. So I can run your offer by him/put you in touch if you are willing to commit to it. But no promises on this one. d3c0y2 posted:What about all the non-USA goons who play online poker? Not to mention all the non-us players that lost everything on black friday and decided to move onto other things. TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Aug 30, 2012 |
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TheAbortionator posted:
Seemed like almost everyone in PITR played on FTP eh? So it wasnt just a US thing at all when the money was frozen and/or stolen. More of a shame to shut things down now, when the non-US guys are going to have their accounts unfrozen in a month or so.
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TheAbortionator posted:I'm not sure its my place to speak for him but zero star said his online limited rating was in the high 1800s, which isn't quite pro tour but pretty drat close. somehow i didn't know zerostar played despite being friends with him. i'd definitely ask him before going to a top guy unless coaching rates are like, more similar to starcraft rates than poker rates. i'm pretty new still and have lots to learn from cheap/free resources, but i'm just the type that likes to have someone good to ask questions to and learn that way and willing to reasonably pay for it.
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Wikipedia posted:
When the best in the world struggle to clear 50k I think it would be a pretty safe bet that coaching wouldn't be too expensive. Baddog posted:Seemed like almost everyone in PITR played on FTP eh? So it wasnt just a US thing at all when the money was frozen and/or stolen. More of a shame to shut things down now, when the non-US guys are going to have their accounts unfrozen in a month or so. I didn't because I was a retard and put 20 dollars on the site without signing up for rakeback way way way back in the day (a mistake I no longer regret for obvious reasons). TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 30, 2012 |
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Also, there's the implication that all poker in the US is online, which completely ignores the WSOP and Circuit, WPT, HPT, Deepstacks, etc. plus all international tournaments. I assume that discussion of all online or live poker will go in this thread. Speaking of which, is anyone else going to play in the Winstar tournament this weekend? I'm going to fire two bullets into the Main on Friday and Saturday. I know of a couple of pros will be playing: (off the top of my head) Selbst, Maria Ho, and Raymer.
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