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They really should have a honking big banner telling people DO NOT SUBMIT GAMES MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE GAMES ONLY at the top of the submission page.
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Hav posted:I think they're releasing 'arenas' before the full game, which is been in development for as long as gamersgate has existed. Smells quite vapourwary, but I'll vote for it because it does look pretty good. Miner Wars Arena is already out on steam, and as far as I can see they have too much effort into this to call it vaporware.
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Aug 30, 2012 23:02
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Honestly at this point they should really close down Greenlight and delete the database, look over the horrible mess, see what they need to fix and then bring it back in a month or something. Keeping the system running while trying to plug the holes is just going end in tears.
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ymgve posted:They really should have a honking big banner telling people DO NOT SUBMIT GAMES MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE GAMES ONLY at the top of the submission page. Yes, I was just about to make a post saying that while these people are idiots, Valve isn't doing enough to actually explain what Greenlight is and what it means to submit a game for it. The sheer number of people who don't understand what Greenlight is for is evidence that Valve needs to improve this area. Which is strange, because Valve is known for focus-testing for the lowest common denominator and ensuring that everyone understands their games/services. I just looked at the submission form and I'm surprised it's so lackluster. I expected to have to be forced to wade through pages of TOSes and agreements and information pages.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yes, I was just about to make a post saying that while these people are idiots, Valve isn't doing enough to actually explain what Greenlight is and what it means to submit a game for it. The sheer number of people who don't understand what Greenlight is for is evidence that Valve needs to improve this area. Which is strange, because Valve is known for focus-testing for the lowest common denominator and ensuring that everyone understands their games/services. I just looked at the submission form and I'm surprised it's so lackluster. I expected to have to be forced to wade through pages of TOSes and agreements and information pages. You can't make people read things.
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Aug 30, 2012 23:14
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Looks like the guy who uploaded IWBTG just got banned.
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It's heartbreaking looking at these games. I don't want Steam to be the next Xbox Live Arcade, but most these look atrociously terrible. A snake remake, Slender, Minecraft ripoff #49, Slender again, Zombie Mod based off the Source Engine #738, Tower Defense game that should be freeware. Good God. Steam Greenlight is making Kickstarter games look worthy of my purchase.Enzer posted:Looks like the guy who uploaded IWBTG just got banned.
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Aug 30, 2012 23:16
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There should be a "developer account" or something where you prove to valve that you are a legitimate game dev in order to post on greenlight. This may have been the thing they were trying to get out of having to do, but the amount of poo poo that will be going through greenlight is already a bother. Valve reviews the community greenlit games before putting them up for sale anyway, right?
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Aug 30, 2012 23:17
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Defiance Industries posted:It reminds me a lot of every fighting game on the Jaguar. That's exactly why I'm voting for it. It's like a cross between Deadliest Warrior and War Gods. e: they need to force people to attach credit cards to their Greenlight account. that would instantly solve a number of problems
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YOURFRIEND posted:You can't make people read things. No, but you can do more to make it more obvious.
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rizuhbull posted:It's heartbreaking looking at these games. I don't want Steam to be the next Xbox Live Arcade, but most these look atrociously terrible. A snake remake, Slender, Minecraft ripoff #49, Slender again, Zombie Mod based off the Source Engine #738, Tower Defense game that should be freeware. Good God. Steam Greenlight is making Kickstarter games look worthy of my purchase. Its looking like the threshold for positive votes seems to be pretty high, so as long as you're not trolling through Greenlight all the time you won't notice it. I don't know what fraction of the games that are showing up (first day, remember) will ever make it on the service, but I feel confident saying it will be quite small.
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Poniard posted:There should be a "developer account" or something where you prove to valve that you are a legitimate game dev in order to post on greenlight. This may have been the thing they were trying to get out of having to do, but the amount of poo poo that will be going through greenlight is already a bother. Valve reviews the community greenlit games before putting them up for sale anyway, right? Yeah, it's not an automatic process. Once the community approves a game, it gets put into the pending section, where Valve vets it and works out a contract with the developer. It's would be really hard for a rule/law breaking game to go on sale.
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Steam hasn't been accepting any applications for a while because of the Greenlight. Now that it's up, everyone's trying their chances. Our first localization 'War of the Human Tanks' is in there as well: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92918806&tscn=1346349420 More details can be found on our homepage (http://fruitbatfactory.com/) and this Q&A post I made today: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/z3c0l/war_of_the_human_tanks_on_steam_greenlight/. I hope Steam Greenlight works. Otherwise it's back to casting applications to the void and hoping for a reply one day.
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All of these amateur games are making me eat my words when I say that graphics don't matter. Apparently, they matter a lot 
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I think Inquisitor just got added (or I haven't seen it earlier): http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92965329&searchtext=  A Diablo clone many years in development that to me graphically has some Baldur's Gate vibes. Apparently it allows you to torture enemies in different ways. Looks pretty solid.
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Tezzeract posted:All of these amateur games are making me eat my words when I say that graphics don't matter. Apparently, they matter a lot
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Palpek posted:Inquisitor It got a release on GOG just yesterday, so I assume it's finished. RPS has an article about it.
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Tezzeract posted:All of these amateur games are making me eat my words when I say that graphics don't matter. Apparently, they matter a lot  I've made it a rule not to rate until I've watched all or most of the gameplay clips and seen every screenshot though.Saturday Morning RPG seems interesting... http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92921217&searchtext= I'm a sucker for RPGs in modern settings. Purple D. Link fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Aug 30, 2012 |
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Heaven Variant looks like a really polished Einhander clone. Also it's made in UDK.
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Does thumbing down a game do anything to a game's rating, or am I just removing it from my list of games-to-rate? Also, they really should split up the "games you've rated" list in "games you've thumbed up" and "games you've thumbed down". If I want to clean out my list, the latter category will severely pollute the list of games I'm mildly interested in.
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Heaven Variant is up on Greenlight now, and is totally worthy of votes because it's essentially Einhander 2. Really looking forward to this one. Edit: Daaaaaamn, beaten by one minute! But yeah, watch the gameplay videos. It's looking really polished already.
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Oh no, shovelware FPSes are coming guys: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92970173&searchtext=
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echoMateria posted:Steam hasn't been accepting any applications for a while because of the Greenlight. Now that it's up, everyone's trying their chances. I hope you guys find success, but I also fear that Greenlight will make it so niche titles wont ever make it onto Steam. And your game is like a fusion of multiple niches. At the very least, it will be a good testbed to see if something even way outside the mainstream can find success. ymgve posted:Does thumbing down a game do anything to a game's rating, or am I just removing it from my list of games-to-rate? I have a suspicion that all a thumbs down does is remove the game from your unrated list, it doesn't have any impact on the game's current level of support.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I hope you guys find success, but I also fear that Greenlight will make it so niche titles wont ever make it onto Steam. And your game is like a fusion of multiple niches. At the very least, it will be a good testbed to see if something even way outside the mainstream can find success. This. Honestly I'm hoping to release a title myself after I get a bit more C++ training under my belt. At first I was genuinely hopeful for Greenlight but this looks like a giant cancer cluster with an occasional particle of gold speck in the mix.
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Is there a way to actually play these games or am I voting based on like 2 screenshots?
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Industrial posted:Is there a way to actually play these games or am I voting based on like 2 screenshots? The latter, basically. Devs who have their poo poo together will usually post copious screen shots, videos, links to demos, etc., but otherwise what you see is what you get.
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Purple D. Link posted:I'll admit, I've passed on ugly looking games and have given knee-jerk ratings to good looking games. It looks pretty good to me, plus I love games whose initials are SMRPG.
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Malek posted:This. Honestly I'm hoping to release a title myself after I get a bit more C++ training under my belt. At first I was genuinely hopeful for Greenlight but this looks like a giant cancer cluster with an occasional particle of gold speck in the mix. The entire point of Greenlight is that this incoherent clusterfuck is what Valve were having to deal with continually via e-mail. It's up to the indie and specialist press to find the games worth promoting and do so, and for developers to market their products to whatever audience they can find. Greenlight is not a marketing tool. There's no 'view by popularity' option. You're not meant to be using it to find anything. A lot of idiots will put up their games on Greenlight and just let it sit there, wondering why no votes are coming in, and they won't get their games approved. It's the devs who get out there and catch the eye of gaming communities and the press that'll do well.
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Industrial posted:Is there a way to actually play these games or am I voting based on like 2 screenshots? If they release a demo, yeah. A well constructed Greenlight entry will have multiple trailers, plenty of screenshots, a very well detailed description, and preferably a playable demo (although that's not always feasible depending on the stage of development they're in). Without these things, it's a poorly constructed pitch that's doomed to fail.
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Dominic White posted:Heaven Variant is up on Greenlight now, and is totally worthy of votes because it's essentially Einhander 2. Really looking forward to this one. I wonder if it's looking too much like Einhander would be a problem for its developers, license-wise. Otherwise, I'd definitely want to play Einhander again in high resolution. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I hope you guys find success, but I also fear that Greenlight will make it so niche titles wont ever make it onto Steam. And your game is like a fusion of multiple niches. At the very least, it will be a good testbed to see if something even way outside the mainstream can find success. We already got the game on Desura, Gamersgate, Greenman Gaming and Indievania. But I wonder how the Greenlight will work really. I mean FPS Games will always get more votes than Adventure Games. Popular Western style games will always get more votes than niche games, like the Japanese indie games we are localizing. I hope they thought about this and planned something to compensate. Industrial posted:Is there a way to actually play these games or am I voting based on like 2 screenshots? Currently there is no option to upload a demo. Maybe they'll add it later for titles that made it above a certain level of popularity to avoid people uploading harmful programs. echoMateria fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Aug 30, 2012 |
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Dominic White posted:The entire point of Greenlight is that this incoherent clusterfuck is what Valve were having to deal with continually via e-mail. It's up to the indie and specialist press to find the games worth promoting and do so, and for developers to market their products to whatever audience they can find. This could be Valve's official response and I wouldn't blame a single soul.
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My biggest concern at the moment is that there's no way of filtering those games in any useful way. You're basically greeted with 11 pages of games (at the moment) that seem to be randomly placed on a grid. Did Valve expect people to click on every game on all those pages and base votes on actual consideration? A regular person will just click on a few games on the first screen, jump to another 2 pages, then get bored/overwhelmed. In the meantime this person will vote on games he/she really liked but also on other titles just because the thumbs up button is there and on then also upvote few bad ones just for kicks. This whole system doesn't make any sense if the grid is random and there's no system of guiding you through a sea of games.
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Palpek posted:My biggest concern at the moment is that there's no way of filtering those games in any useful way. You're basically greeted with 11 pages of games (at the moment) that seem to be randomly placed on a grid. Did Valve expect people to click on every game on all those pages and base votes on actual consideration? The filters are on the right side there.
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Industrial posted:How is Wizardry 8 on here? There are people who don't understand what Greenlight is for, they think it's a game request feature or something. I've seen lots of people put up big commercial games on it thinking that they're just requesting them.
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echoMateria posted:I wonder if it's looking too much like Einhander would be a problem for its developers, license-wise. Otherwise, I'd definitely want to play Einhander again in high resolution. I really don't see there being any problem. It's similar, but there's a ton of shmups with similar mechanics and controls to others. So long as it's not actually directly cloning anything (and it does look to have its own flavour - the devs say it's partially inspired by Thunder Force), it'll be fine. Palpek posted:Did Valve expect people to click on every game on all those pages and base votes on actual consideration? No, they didn't. Developers are meant to be aggressively marketing their game and linking to their Greenlight pages.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:There are people who don't understand what Greenlight is for, they think it's a game request feature or something. I've seen lots of people put up big commercial games on it thinking that they're just requesting them. Interesting. Wonder why there are a lot of already released free games on here like Slender?
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