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Lord Of Texas posted:loving idiot. You could replace "Muslim" with "Human" in your paragraph and it would have about the same meaning, which is none. If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. Why is it okay to read this story and think "Damnit, if only that Christian guy didn't make that movie none of this would have happen.", but it's not okay to think "Damnit, Muslims are killing Americans over seas again"? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:20 |
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Notitia posted:If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. gently caress off.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:21 |
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Notitia posted:Religion of peace right? Hahaha, it's like a post detached itself from a thread on Fark and washed ashore here.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:21 |
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Notitia posted:If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. Shut the gently caress up.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:21 |
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Notitia posted:If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. I'm trying to parse this, but it makes no sense any way I try.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:22 |
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1st AD posted:How many Muslims were murdered by (Christian) American troops throughout a decade of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lets at least keep this comparable. How many times in the last decade have muslim extremists responded with violence to a movie or cartoon? How many times in the last decade have christian extremists responded with violence to a movie or cartoon? How many American Embassies in the last decade have been attacked by muslim extremists? How many Middle Eastern Embassies in the last decade have been attacked by christian extremists?
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:22 |
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Sir_TaxALot posted:Religions have nothing to do with this. Retarded people do. I think these two things may be more connected than you're letting on.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:23 |
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Notitia posted:If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:23 |
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1st AD posted:How many Muslims were murdered by (Christian) American troops throughout a decade of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Right, so according to you all American soldiers are Christians and went to Iraq and Afghanistan to wage a Crusade against the heathen Muslims. That's what happened over the last 10 years? Do you enjoy being a moron?
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:24 |
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If you are actually seriously determined to actually seriously discuss this, then make sure you do it without being hyperbolic, or making asinine generalisations, or being sarcastic, or being a stupid sack of poo poo - because I am not in the mood to gently caress around. If you can't post well, just don't post.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:24 |
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Notitia posted:Lets at least keep this comparable. Americans haven't rioted over cartoons, but have rioted over football games, which doesn't seem much more reasonable. Again, the number of people involved in committing this attack were a tiny fraction of the population of Libya. They are not representative of the Libyan population as a whole, and they sure as poo poo are not representative of Islam itself.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:26 |
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Notitia posted:Lets at least keep this comparable. Extremist groups didn't just poof into existence to be a foil for American peace spreading heroes. You can't separate events from their historical or societal contexts, doing so does a disservice to everyone. Human history and society are the results of dialectical processes. If you are dead set on setting up some sort of sick spreadsheet, you can't avoid including the several hundred years worth of brutal colonization of the middle east by the West. If you do find out how many wedding bombings equals an embassy burning keep it to yourself though, as that's a disgusting way to go about this.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:33 |
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"They say Coach is a Pedo!?!"  This is a riot. All humans riot. What happened in Libya was a militant attack taking advantage of a riot. Racist Misanthrope scum need to shut their mouths.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:33 |
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Earwicker posted:Americans haven't rioted over cartoons, but have rioted over football games, which doesn't seem much more reasonable. Lots of people all over the world riot over football/futbol.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:34 |
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Earwicker posted:Americans haven't rioted over cartoons, but have rioted over football games, which doesn't seem much more reasonable. Ah wasn't it a year ago where Egypt rioted over a football game and like 100 people were killed? Rioting over sports is a world wide thing. Lurdiak posted:Might I suggest the thread title be changed to more accurately reflect the events? The film really doesn't seem to have been the motivation for the attacks after all. I agree.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:34 |
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Might I suggest the thread title be changed to more accurately reflect the events? The film really doesn't seem to have been the motivation for the attacks after all.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:35 |
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Lurdiak posted:Might I suggest the thread title be changed to more accurately reflect the events? The film really doesn't seem to have been the motivation for the attacks after all. Yes, I'd appreciate it Mods.
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BadLlama posted:Ah wasn't it a year ago where Egypt rioted over a football game and like 100 people were killed? Rioting over sports is a world wide thing. Yes, it is. And? I never said that rioting over sports was some uniquely American thing, rather I said that it's something Americans do. People all over the world for all kinds of dumb reasons, and Americans are no exception.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:41 |
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Notitia posted:If it's not important to this story that the violent militants were Muslim, then it isn't important that the video maker was Christian. 2. Which part of Islamic doctrine do you think is responsible for these riots? Please don't answer either question, they're rhetorical.
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Edit: nope.
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Earwicker posted:Yes, it is. And? I never said that rioting over sports was some uniquely American thing, rather I said that it's something Americans do. People all over the world for all kinds of dumb reasons, and Americans are no exception. That Egypt soccer thing wasn't really a riot, though, in the way you'd think of, say, Canucks fans rioting after winning the Stanley cup. It was one group of people targeting and murdering another group of people with knives and clubs. Technically they were both "riots", in the same way that two teenagers fighting in a parking lot and the Battle of the Bulge were both "fights".
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:51 |
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Phrost posted:With rocket-propelled grenades? Rioters didn't likely have RPGs, but the pre-planned attackers using the riot as cover did. (at least this is the latest theory)
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Phrost posted:With rocket-propelled grenades? It's becoming increasingly clear that the actual attack (which is what involved the rocket-propelled grenades) were part of a pre-planned attack, not part of the protests. The riots themselves are pretty stupid but no more stupid than plenty of riots we've had here in the US.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:52 |
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Phrost posted:With rocket-propelled grenades? OK fine, you shoot doctors and blow up clinics and you have a terrible reputation abroad for being scary right wing god crazed lunatics. Happy?
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:53 |
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Earwicker posted:It's becoming increasingly clear that the actual attack (which is what involved the rocket-propelled grenades) were part of a pre-planned attack, not part of the protests. The riots themselves are pretty stupid but no more stupid than plenty of riots we've had here in the US. Yeah, point taken. Retracted. Dr Scoofles posted:OK fine, you shoot doctors and blow up clinics and you have a terrible reputation abroad for being scary right wing god crazed lunatics. Happy? Umm, what the hell is this dude? Seems like you're looking to lash out at someone with whom you disagree about something. (I'm not a christian.)
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Phrost posted:With rocket-propelled grenades? The "people running amok in the streets about dumb racist videos" and the "Islamist militants firing rockets at embassies" seem like pretty separate things, at least at this point.
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Lord Satan posted:I am waiting for the non-extremist leaders to stand up and speak against the actions of these extremists. I hear people say things similar to this a lot and I can't help but wonder if those people ever actually stop and listen to what peaceful, mainstream Muslims are saying or if they just pull that line out of their rear end to label all Muslims as violent.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2012 18:56 |
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I never really got why so many of my fellow Western 'progressives' (I'm beginning to doubt how progressive a lot of them really are) supported getting rid of Gaddafi's regime (which enforced secularism, a peace among the nation's dozens of historically clashing ethnic groups, and was even somewhat socialist striving) with what is turning out to be a return to a primal power structure in the hands of religious extremists/terrorists, really capitalist warlords, and ethnic civil war leaders.
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thegoonofaudio posted:I never really got why so many of my fellow Western 'progressives' (I'm beginning to doubt how progressive a lot of them really are) supported getting rid of Gaddafi's regime (which enforced secularism, a peace among the nation's dozens of historically clashing ethnic groups, and was even somewhat socialist striving) with what is turning out to be a return to a primal power structure in the hands of religious extremists/terrorists, really capitalist warlords, and ethnic civil war leaders. That would entail being skeptical of western narratives, so probably not many.
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Paint-Drinking Pete posted:I hear people say things similar to this a lot and I can't help but wonder if those people ever actually stop and listen to what peaceful, mainstream Muslims are saying or if they just pull that line out of their rear end to label all Muslims as violent. Of course it's the latter, tons of peaceful mainstream muslims have already condemned this, just like they have every other terror strike vaguely connectable to any muslim element in the past decade.
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Phrost posted:Yeah, point taken. Retracted. The point I was trying to make is it is very easy to take the extreme actions of minorities and twist them into a distorted image of an entire nation. I don't actually think this way about American's or Christians and I'm sorry my post was snarky, I've nothing against you either.
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thegoonofaudio posted:I never really got why so many of my fellow Western 'progressives' (I'm beginning to doubt how progressive a lot of them really are) supported getting rid of Gaddafi's regime (which enforced secularism, a peace among the nation's dozens of historically clashing ethnic groups, and was even somewhat socialist striving) with what is turning out to be a return to a primal power structure in the hands of religious extremists/terrorists, really capitalist warlords, and ethnic civil war leaders. I guess progressives stopped supporting Gaddafi after the third time he used anti air batteries against protesters.
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I just watched the trailer to "innocence". I half expected Dr. Steve Brule to make an appearance. Anybody getting offended over this video is obviously retarded. That said, remember; "There is no god but Allah, and your Mom is the Prophet."
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thegoonofaudio posted:I never really got why so many of my fellow Western 'progressives' (I'm beginning to doubt how progressive a lot of them really are) supported getting rid of Gaddafi's regime (which enforced secularism, a peace among the nation's dozens of historically clashing ethnic groups, and was even somewhat socialist striving) with what is turning out to be a return to a primal power structure in the hands of religious extremists/terrorists, really capitalist warlords, and ethnic civil war leaders. This is my problem with the whole thing. I swear to god our State Department is following the Team America movie like it's a template for foreign relations; blow poo poo up and move on, problem solved. There's no apparent effort at preventing a worse regime from taking power, and we're about to see a repeat in Syria. At this rate, we genuinely might see a legitimate attempt at a theocratic, pan-Arab state like the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to create.
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Dingleberry posted:I just watched the trailer to "innocence". According to the NPR reporter I listened to this morning, many of the protesters (in fact a majority) may not have even seen the video themselves, they just know second-hand information that their prophet was being mocked by an expensive, American-funded video.
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Phrost posted:This is my problem with the whole thing. I swear to god our State Department is following the Team America movie like it's a template for foreign relations; blow poo poo up and move on, problem solved. Yeah the fact that an ambassador was killed in Libya means that the U.S. doesn't care about the civil war they supported. It's a loving war thorn country where an extremely small group attacked an embassy after multiple attacks on both christian and muslim communities and shrines because of their extremist and retarded views. They are supported by no one. Stop posting your retarded ideas.
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Its not the US's job to interfere with the will of the people in these countries.
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Shut your trap and read the loving Qur'an. There's plenty of good translations, and it will quickly show you how deviated from their religion most attackers are. Might I suggest the translation by M.A.S. Abdel Haleem. Lemme point you to 2:62 and you can quickly see something is dreadfully misconstrued and twisted here. Notitia posted:Lets at least keep this comparable.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Its not the US's job to interfere with the will of the people in these countries.
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