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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


Most of the DLC for Origins is to set up some sweet overpowered armors and weapons for your crew. I think it's worth it, but then again I bought the Ultimate Edition off steam for 8 bucks

On the other hand, DA2 DLC is supreme trash by far.

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Whizbang
Sep 21, 2008


RagnarokAngel posted:

Yeah I realized that after I said it there may be another engine called infinity

Yeah, the joke is that for some reason they decided to also call the animation system in the new Madden game the Infinity Engine even though that was already a known and much beloved thing.

So rather than an old good Bioware or Obsidian product, Madden 13 is the best selling Infinity Engine game of all time.

Batham
Jun 19, 2010

Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground.


Man, I hope the build up to the release of this game will be an even bigger train wreck than DA2's. I had more enjoyment out of the hilarious developer quotes, marketing slogans and people tossing sludge at bioware, than I actually had with the game.

I can't wait for Bioware's hilariously awful marketing division to start with this one. I wonder what it'll be this time around; we already had "This is the new poo poo!" and "Button = awesome", so what will we get this time around?

So yeah, time.

melon farmer
Oct 28, 2009

My boy says he can eat fifty eggs, he can eat fifty eggs!

Milky Moor posted:

If anyone purchases Dragon Age 3, after seeing Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 then, really, they deserve exactly what they get. I wasn't looking forward to DA3 after the incredible mess that was DA2 and, after ME3, my interest in anything Bioware produces is practically zero.

This.

Also I love the Bioware RPG marketing cliches, they managed to fit them all into such a small statement there!

player feedback
connecting directly with our fans
great story
choices that matter
massive world
tactical combat
proprietary engine

It's like whenever a new FPS comes out and they say "we wanted to emphasize gun-on-gun gameplay". Sure, sure. THIS time it will be different. (gently caress you)

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

precision posted:

For what it's worth, the DA2 demo was actually much worse than the game itself. The game is certainly of questionable quality, but hot poo poo that demo was garbage.

The ME3 singleplayer demo was also really bad. I don't think BioWare "gets" how to make a good demo.

The best part of DA2's horrible demo is that once people started making GBS threads on it they tried to claim it was from an "earlier build" of the game and that it wasn't completely representative of the final product. The gameplay included in the demo ended up being exactly the same as the retail version of the game.

Batham
Jun 19, 2010

Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground.


Remember the auto attack toggle for consoles?

Bioware on the day before release: Oh don't worry guys, with the console version, you can toggle auto-attack on in the options menu.
Bioware on the day after release: Guys, we totally forgot to put in the toggle option for both consoles.

Batham fucked around with this message at Sep 18, 2012 around 12:46

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

and she told me, "Listen honey. There's hundreds of strong men out there. I like men who are kind, who are honest, men who can be open with me."

The funny thing is that for all the flak ME3 gets for its ending, I've had more fun playing its little throwaway multiplayer than I ever had snoring through BG2. Bring on more MP, Bioware!

Giggily
Aug 4, 2010



When Dragon Age 3 is terrible, Obsidian's silly kickstarter game should be coming out eventually to be everything DA:O wanted to be and more.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

and she told me, "Listen honey. There's hundreds of strong men out there. I like men who are kind, who are honest, men who can be open with me."

Giggily posted:

When Dragon Age 3 is terrible, Obsidian's silly kickstarter game should be coming out eventually to be everything DA:O wanted to be and more.

I felt very inspired by Obsidian's preview world map, which looks exactly like Thedas except reversed and inverted. Progress!

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



Realistically, I think this game will probably be totally fine. Just the fact that it has a longer dev cycle than DA 2 should at least put it above that.

Now whether Bioware can get over themselves and make a great game that actually displays some humility and legitimate craft remains to be seen. I don't think any other developer has ever pissed away so much good will so quickly before.

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.


Hakkesshu posted:

Realistically, I think this game will probably be totally fine. Just the fact that it has a longer dev cycle than DA 2 should at least put it above that.

Perhaps you should lower your expectations.

Category Fun! posted:

So are they trying to spin that DA3 has been in the works since before DA2? I'm having a hard time making sense of this timeline.

Scorchy posted:

Well they started DA2 before DA1 shipped. That was after they said the changes in DA2 were based on fan feedback from DA1.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



Well, unless they're literally just starting to work on it now, it's still going to be a longer dev cycle than DA2, isn't it?

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.


Hakkesshu posted:

Well, unless they're literally just starting to work on it now, it's still going to be a longer dev cycle than DA2, isn't it?

Maybe?

Merry Magpie posted:

From IGN:
“The Dragon Age team has been working on Dragon Age 3: Inquisition for almost two years now,” said BioWare Edmonton and Montreal general manager Aaryn Flynn.

From http://blog.bioware.com/2012/09/17/...ii-inquisition/ :

"Finally I moved over to the Dragon Age franchise. I have been the Executive Producer since just before Dragon Age: Origins shipped."
[...]
"Recently, I said that we didn’t want to talk about Dragon Age III unless we had something to show. I’m trying to stick to that plan and won’t be revealing much today."
[...]
"This game is being made by a lot of the same team that has been working on Dragon Age since Dragon Age: Origins."

Translation: Two years and all you can show is an engine change and a subtitle. No discussion of gameplay or themes. In fact, all we can say for certain is that those responsible for DAII are still at the helm.

I would not count on it though.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Can't wait for the shoe horned multiplayer where we defend a cluster of waist high boxes in Darktown from bandits who appear out of thin air.

Shadeoses
May 31, 2011

In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.


~uguu~


I can't wait to see the ethical struggles and grand story-shaping that will occur as the player works between the Blood Mages, the Templars, and the . Each faction more intriguing and morally ambiguous than the last.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.


exquisite tea posted:

The funny thing is that for all the flak ME3 gets for its ending, I've had more fun playing its little throwaway multiplayer than I ever had snoring through BG2. Bring on more MP, Bioware!

I might actually get DA3 if it's the same MP team as Mass Effect 3. I've at least sunk 100 hours into the MP portion of ME3, while I haven't even touched the singleplayer since beating it.

It's a different team that did it though, so it's going to be a wildcard whether DA3 MP will be good.

drat, Bioware, why can't you just give me the Left4Dead, full-version squad based shooter that you've shown you can make. That would redeem you in my eyes.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



I'm really interested to see how well the ME3 Leviathan DLC sold.

NihilVerumNisiMors
Aug 16, 2012


DA2's gameplay and writing were flawed on such a fundamental level that even with 20 years of dev time it would've been a turd. A slightly more polished turd with more and different looking bits sticking out of it but still a turd.

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012


It's funny to me how quick DA2's price tanked (which is rare for a AAA rpg). You could get it for like, half off 4 months after it came out. Even Amalur is still normally $40 and it sold like poo poo.



Now amazon practically gives it to you for free every month if you buy the Ultimate edition of DA 1 for $7

DrManiac fucked around with this message at Sep 18, 2012 around 13:46

Barudak
May 7, 2007

No no, I'm Sean Mexico. You must have me mistaken for someone else.

DrManiac posted:

It's funny to me how quick DA2's price tanked (which is rare for a AAA rpg). You could get it for like, half off 4 months after it came out. Even Amalur is still normally $40 and it sold like poo poo.

Amalur sold more than a million copies which would have been really good if the company hadn't been run in a possibly illegally bad manner. DA2, however, was just produced by a team in a possibly illegally bad manner.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

Slightly Amused



If you don't like playing video games then I'm not sure who you are going to write a good story that is unique to the video game medium. The best video game would have a story that weaves the gameplay into it, and if you hate the gameplay and just want to skip over it how are you going to do that?

Smeego
Sep 9, 2001

japan sucks

If there's anything I learned from TOR, it's that the development of DA3 will be much more entertaining than the game itself.

So, personally, I'm pretty stoked for DA3!

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Barudak posted:

Amalur sold more than a million copies which would have been really good if the company hadn't been run in a possibly illegally bad manner. DA2, however, was just produced by a team in a possibly illegally bad manner.

Amalur sold a million copies on the back of the mighty EA marketing and distribution machine, it should have performed a lot better.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

No no, I'm Sean Mexico. You must have me mistaken for someone else.

The Gunslinger posted:

Amalur sold a million copies on the back of the mighty EA marketing and distribution machine, it should have performed a lot better.

A million units for a fantasy RPG designed by a baseball pitcher from a first time new hampshire studio is amazing. The fact that they basically stole funds and funneled it into their pockets blowing up the development cost to 3 times or so what it should have cost is not.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Barudak posted:

A million units for a fantasy RPG designed by a baseball pitcher from a first time new hampshire studio is amazing. The fact that they basically stole funds and funneled it into their pockets blowing up the development cost to 3 times or so what it should have cost is not.

I doubt it would have sold anywhere near those figures without EAs industry muscle but we'll agree to disagree I guess.

Batham
Jun 19, 2010

Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground.


Since I'm seeing a lot of confusion about this matter both in this thread and in various other online news sites and forums; the team that is creating Dragon Age 3 is the same team that created Dragon Age 2. The wording used tries to deflect that fact as much as possible by stating that the guys from DA:O are making DA3. However, minus the people that left after DA:O was finished, they are also the same guys that made DA2.

I can understand why they're doing it; for a long time after DA2, the first comment on every announcement for every new RPG was basically "don't let this be like DA2". Hell, if I remember correctly, even during one of their Bioware panels at conventions some fans even asked "don't make it like DA2" during Q&A.

DA2 is basically damaged goods and they're trying to distance themselves as much as possible from it. So don't be fooled, the team behind DA3 is the DA2 team.

rizuhbull
Mar 30, 2011



Alouicious posted:

She's a fuckin writer, dude. She ain't got poo poo to do with the gameplay aspects of the game. Calm your spergy, grognard head.
You're just jealous she has both a vagina AND a games industry job, and you can't get either.

But seriously, calling her a writer is being very generous. She wrote the worst part of DA1 (Dwarfs), many of the main characters in DA2 (including Anders), DA2 DLC and several stories in TOR. Before that, she wrote a terrible comic and that was apparently enough to get her a job as senior writer at Bioware. So yeah, a lot of people rightfully loathe her. Then she goes on to disrespect the hobby she owes her well being to, as well as those who criticize her by calling them virgin losers. Calling her a stinkyhole and fat and whatnot isn't excusable, but don't let that trick you into thinking she's an innocent writer who just so happens to be hated because the internet found out she's overweight.

EightDeer
Dec 2, 2011



rizuhbull posted:

She wrote the worst part of DA1 (Dwarfs)

I think you meant best part of DAI. The dwarven Origins and the main Orzammar questline were loving awesome.

Utgardaloki
Mar 2, 2009


EightDeer posted:

I think you meant best part of DAI. The dwarven Origins and the main Orzammar questline were loving awesome.

I remember some dumbed-down political intrigue, the worst dungeon in the game and 'morally grey' choices achieved by tying the good ends to doing terrible things and bad ends to good things, which is I guess okay but wasn't very inspired.

Now, the dwarves culture and character was awesome, but the actual game content was pretty weak.

MinionOfCthulhu
Oct 28, 2005

I got this title for free due to my proximity to an idiot who wanted to save $5 on an avatar by having someone else spend $9.95 instead.


precision posted:

Because Sonic Chronicles was a good game, drat it!

No really, it was!

Okay this I gotta hear.

The Monarch
Jul 7, 2006



rizuhbull posted:

... she has both a vagina ... So yeah, a lot of people rightfully loathe her.

Christ ever hear of self-awareness?

She's a woman who holds a lot of skill-less nerds "dream job", and because of that people project their mommy issues onto her.

There are dozens of terrible writers in video games. What has she ever done to deserve "loathing"?

Juc66
Nov 20, 2005
Lord of The Pants

Merry Magpie posted:

Perhaps you should lower your expectations.

Ugh quoting on my ipad is awful.

It's not a stretch to say it was in development for 2 years now without having loads to show.
Dragon age origins took somewhere around 7 years to make(or was it 9) and they didn't have much to show in the first couple years either.

The beginning parts of a game are usually pretty ugly

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Suck my cock the lot of yas!
I'm Titus Pullo, right?


So you're the head of the Inquisition.

Boy, I can't wait to see the cringeworthy ~ambiguous dark fantasy~ torture chamber where you make ~intense moral choices~ over whether to talk nicely or punch someone in the face.

Zombies' Downfall
Aug 20, 2005

God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title

The Monarch posted:

There are dozens of terrible writers in video games. What has she ever done to deserve "loathing"?

At least one or two of them didn't work on Dragon Age 2

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012


MinionOfCthulhu posted:

Okay this I gotta hear.


It had dialog options, so you could make sonic be a dick to all his friends all the time. The battle system was pretty bad though.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



I don't even remember the writing in DA2, all I remember is all of the missions taking place in the same three tiny environments, and feeling like I was playing a Dynasty Warriors game.

Alouicious
Feb 7, 2012

"I wish I could explain it to you. The old chief's finally at a loss for words."


Samurai Sanders posted:

I don't even remember the writing in DA2, all I remember is all of the missions taking place in the same three tiny environments, and feeling like I was playing a Dynasty Warriors game.

Dynasty Warriors games have way more complex combat than Dragon Age II ever did.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Alouicious posted:

Dynasty Warriors games have way more complex combat than Dragon Age II ever did.
Yeah I was gonna edit and say, I LIKE Dynasty Warriors. But mostly for the historical context and having six billion characters to play as, not so much for the gameplay on a minute to minute basis. With no historical context and only a few characters to play as (and little boxy environments), I'm not interested at all.

voltron lion force
Sep 15, 2010



The Monarch posted:

Christ ever hear of self-awareness?

She's a woman who holds a lot of skill-less nerds "dream job", and because of that people project their mommy issues onto her.

There are dozens of terrible writers in video games. What has she ever done to deserve "loathing"?

Why'd you do the quote like that? In the first part he was clearly joking and it didn't relate to the second bit.

Loathing might be a bit strong, but this is the internet, people use hyperbole. The fact is she sucks and her whole persona kinda sums up whats wrong with Bioware's writing. *Gigglesquees*

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Fag Boy Jim
Oct 7, 2007

unban longavs


for the record, Jennifer Hepler was not "the gigglesquee lady". That was Sheryl Chee.

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