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 There's no thread for this, which seems a bit strange considering what a big deal it is! The polls have just closed and according to Al Jazeera some are saying its too close to call so far: quote:Polls have officially closed in Venezuela where President Hugo Chavez is facing the toughest race in almost 14 years in power after fresh-faced rival Henrique Capriles electrified the country's opposition. A very close election falling on either side could be deadly, and if Chavez loses it will have very severe consequences for all of Latin America. Personally I'm surprised the results are apparently so close, I was quite sure Chavez would sweep. a bad enough dude fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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I don't know why you'd think that. Chavez isn't particularly popular in Venezuela. Current exit polls show the other guy having a lead: http://www.abc.es/20121008/internacional/abci-primeros-sondeos-venezuela-201210080050.html
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Oct 8, 2012 01:28
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-Troika- posted:I don't know why you'd think that. Chavez isn't particularly popular in Venezuela. Considering that all private polling in Venezuela is rather biased, that's a pretty bold thing to say... the same applying to that exit poll. He's swept almost every election in the past, which is really all you can go on. Anyone know of a site that's giving live results? a bad enough dude fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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Oct 8, 2012 01:36
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Globovisión En Vivo http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xio7e2_globovision-en-vivo_news They should have the official results within a few hours. poo poo is super tense right now.
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Oct 8, 2012 01:48
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From my limited knowledge, it doesn't sound like either candidate will be that good for Venezuela. I've seen articles saying "the other guy" wants to make Venezuela more like Brazil, which kinda made me cringe as Brazil doesn't seem to be a very good example of a socially mobile society or one concerned about combating poverty and inequality. On the other hand... Chavez. If Chavez loses, at least, will that allow new blood to flow into Venezuela's socialist party?
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Oct 8, 2012 01:52
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PrezCamachoo posted:Globovisión En Vivo Awesome, thanks! And I guess if things go south Globovisión is the channel to watch, as it's the main anti-Chavez organ.
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Oct 8, 2012 01:52
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I wish I studied Spanish more in high school
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Oct 8, 2012 01:54
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I haven't read much about the other guy in this election; is he just another capitalist puppet that will squash the poor under an oil-stained boot, or does he actually give a poo poo about the population?
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Oct 8, 2012 02:00
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If Chavez loses I don't see him giving up power. He'd sooner declare that his opponent had foreign help to rig the results and have the guy arrested for a show trial than give up on his cult of personality and revolution.
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Oct 8, 2012 02:05
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Evil Fluffy posted:If Chavez loses I don't see him giving up power. He'd sooner declare that his opponent had foreign help to rig the results and have the guy arrested for a show trial than give up on his cult of personality and revolution. Hopefully that doesn't happen because if it does there will be blood. Anyway don't wait up, they'll probably release the first report around 2-3 am like they always do.
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Oct 8, 2012 02:11
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Really hoping that Chavez doesn't lose. Capriles is an empty suit backed by the same forces that attempted a coup back in 2002.
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Oct 8, 2012 02:35
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Goatman Sacks posted:I haven't read much about the other guy in this election; is he just another capitalist puppet that will squash the poor under an oil-stained boot, or does he actually give a poo poo about the population? Wikipedia says he's center-right so probably the former
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Oct 8, 2012 02:39
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It was just announced on Globovision that both camps are expected to speak shortly, and that the CNE is expected to be ready to give the results in 30-40 minutes (10 PMish Caracas).
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Oct 8, 2012 03:09
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Twitter is currently arife with rumors and blurry pictures of soldiers marching in the streets and ATVs and other military vehicles being mobilized. Uh, anyone hearing anything about this?
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Oct 8, 2012 03:09
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http://www.abc.es/20121008/internacional/abci-primeros-sondeos-venezuela-201210080050.html Henrique Capriles wins according to exit poll.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:12
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The army said earlier that they were going to be out on ensuring that things remained calm,, so even if the pictures are real, I don't think it's something to worry about. If things are going to get ugly, they'll get ugly after the CNE announces the winner.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:13
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According to Nelson Bocaranda, a Venezuelan journalist at the election comission, they're about to announce Chavez as the victor.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:14
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Dehry posted:http://www.abc.es/20121008/internacional/abci-primeros-sondeos-venezuela-201210080050.html Emanuel Collective posted:According to Nelson Bocaranda, a Venezuelan journalist at the election comission, they're about to announce Chavez as the victor. So in another words in a few hours there is going to be massive protests in Venezuela from both sides
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Oct 8, 2012 03:18
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Emanuel Collective posted:Twitter is currently arife with rumors and blurry pictures of soldiers marching in the streets and ATVs and other military vehicles being mobilized. Uh, anyone hearing anything about this? Hmm yeah the national guard was deployed today in cities but its all normal, just to keep people civil.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:19
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What are the chances Chavez would steal the election? 6 out of 10? It seems like that would be a risky move, with the high-tech electronic system and paper trail. Then again, both sides have tried coups, and if the polls beforehand are any indication Chavez was still leading even though Capriles was catching up.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:20
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zero alpha posted:What are the chances Chavez would steal the election? 7 out of 10? It seems like that would be a risky move, with the high-tech electronic system and paper trail. Then again he's Chavez, so.. Thing is, that exit poll was (perhaps) biased toward urban areas which have more anti-Chavez elements (at least one exit poll was, based on what I could see, but I'm not sure if it's this one). Chavez is much more popular in rural areas (as a populist, after all), so he is probably going to win and the exit polls will prove wrong. I suspect Chavez will win, but it would not surprise me if he made the win more convincing, just to avoid accusations that he stole the win by making it too close. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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Oct 8, 2012 03:21
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Emanuel Collective posted:According to Nelson Bocaranda, a Venezuelan journalist at the election comission, they're about to announce Chavez as the victor. If Im not mistaken, Bocaranda reported earlier this year that he had it on good authority that Chavez would be dead before the election, so... Emotions are running so high right now that I wouldn't put any stock in anything until the CNE makes the call.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:22
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Best just to watch and wait, I guess. Conflicting reports all 'round.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:24
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Thing is, that exit poll was (perhaps) biased toward urban areas which have more anti-Chavez elements (at least one exit poll was, based on what I could see, but I'm not sure if it's this one). Chavez is much more popular in rural areas (as a populist, after all), so he is probably going to win and the exit polls will prove wrong. Chavez will win, but it would not surprise me if he made the win more convincing, just to avoid accusations that he stole the win by making it too close. You never know though, last parliamentary election the opposition parties officially won the popular vote(not MPs though because of bias towards rural areas in appointment), Chavez winning is not guarantee.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:24
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Amused to Death posted:You never know though, last parliamentary election the opposition parties officially won the popular vote(not MPs though because of bias towards rural areas in appointment), Chavez winning is not guarantee. That is very true as well. It remains to be seen, however, and most reports are, admittedly, coming from Caracas, rather than from the country as a whole.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:26
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Here it comes
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Oct 8, 2012 03:28
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zero alpha posted:What are the chances Chavez would steal the election? 6 out of 10? It seems like that would be a risky move, with the high-tech electronic system and paper trail. Then again, both sides have tried coups, and if the polls beforehand are any indication Chavez was still leading even though Capriles was catching up. Chavez already has experience facing down one coup attempt and you never know with Venezuela. But by all accounts this has been a pretty fair election process and it wouldn't be shocking for Chavez to win or lose. Chavez certainly doesn't need to steal votes to win, he isn't nearly that unpopular, though hes far less popular than he was a few years ago.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:29
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Let's just go to bed and wake up to the news of the Bolivarian Dream shattered into pieces. Or not. For all I know the Venezuelan media could intentionally misreport a Capriles win before the results are given in order to cause a loving shitstorm.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:30
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I hope Chavez wins. I've talked to both camps of Venezuelan people. Some have told me that things have gotten worse with Chavez. Toilet paper shortages seem to stick out the most in my mind. On the left, I was told that Chavez has brought more good than harm. Lower class people are a lot better off it seems. To be quite honest it is my selfish desire to see Chavez in power. The simple fact of having a nation-state function differently than most is precious to me. Also, he makes me feel good when he exposes American imperialism. As a pissed-off historian of America it's very comforting.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:32
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Announcing it now...
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Oct 8, 2012 03:34
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a bad enough dude posted:Announcing it now... e- Partial bulletin. 90% of votes counted for a 80.94% participation rate. Chavez won. At least in caracas 
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Oct 8, 2012 03:34
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Still announcing, but an 80.94% participation rate... Chavez wins with 54% of the vote.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:37
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HUGO RAFAEL CHAVEZ FRIAS WINS!! 54.42% of the votes 7,444,082 people They say that a few votes still need counting, and a few more were discarded/invalid. Frijolero fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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Oct 8, 2012 03:37
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Chavez wins with 54%.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:38
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 DRUDGE is already calling fraud.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:42
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zero alpha posted:
Well thats what he said about jobs numbers I honestly have no clue if a Hugo Chavez win is good or bad.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:52
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Russell William Thorpe posted:I honestly have no clue if a Hugo Chavez win is good or bad. It's the same as an Obama/Romney win. Not much will change.
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Oct 8, 2012 03:55
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I do know that BIENVENIDOS A CUBA is now the top thing on Venezuelan Twitter
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Oct 8, 2012 03:58
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A Chavez win is a good thing, if only for the number of apoplectic strokes the American foreign policy establishment will have over it. In all seriousness, the coverage of Chavez and Venezuela has been so ridiculously one-sided and disingenuous in the United States that it reads like Cold War propaganda about the Soviets. Chavez is far from perfect, but the massive decline in the poverty rate in Venezuela he is responsible for speaks for itself.
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Oct 8, 2012 04:01
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I'm happy that Chavez won, but I feel I mostly hear propaganda about non-western countries, so am I right in being happy? My position is mostly based on taking the opposite of what I feel the news here wants us to think and being a socialist. I hear he helped the poor a lot but "he's bad for the economy".
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