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I'm happy that Chavez won, but I feel I mostly hear propaganda about non-western countries, so am I right in being happy? My position is mostly based on taking the opposite of what I feel the news here wants us to think and being a socialist. I hear he helped the poor a lot but "he's bad for the economy".
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cgeq posted:Really? I hear "he's bad for democracy" and that's actually a valid concern. Well, the "bad for democracy" things we get here (in the Netherlands) about him are mostly just cult of personality stuff like his personal tv-show. But I'm betting that he still spends comparatively less on promoting himself than Obama (or any US president) does, for example.
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What are the ways in which Chavez is undemocratic? Do they weigh up against decreasing income disparity and the undemocratic power that wealth brings with it? edit: vvv also, Venezuela is way better than Cuba regarding democracy, right? ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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Oct 8, 2012 04:20
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Russell William Thorpe posted:Ahh, ok, thanks. People saying they'd leave if Chavez wins or something? It's probably the same as "If [US presidental candidate] wins I'm moving to Canada!  "
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Oct 8, 2012 04:28
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Oct 8, 2012 04:54
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Thanks for the posts! It's very interesting to see the opinion of someone who actually lived in Venezuela.
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Tony_Montana posted:I don't know why people think [feeding a starving population is] so heroic. Venezuela is spending (inefficiently and in a populist way) money from a very large wallet that gets easily refilled. A more rational and serious government could do it better. Not sectarian, fanatical chavists would be nice for a change. People cut Chavez slack because previous governments weren't helping the poor and right-wing alternatives probably wouldn't, and won't. Would a less-authoritarian leftists be preferable? Yes. Is Chavez probably better for the poor than a right-winger or a liberal? Also, yes.
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Oct 12, 2012 03:26
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Silver2195 posted:Wasn't keeping most of Chavez's social programs an explicit part of the Capriles platform, though? Probably, but who trusts him on that when you consider the people backing him (which are the classic rich right-wing)?
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Oct 12, 2012 05:02
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Silver2195 posted:Although I dislike Chavez for pretty much the same reasons Nirwad does, I must admit you have a point there. Then again, pretty much anyone running against Chavez would have been backed by the same people. I have to admit I dislike Chavez more the more I hear about him, but to me his bizarre anti-democratic poo poo is at least a lot better than the neo-liberal anti-democratic poo poo his opponents would have continued/introduced that we see all around the world. The weird thing is, neo-liberal ways of making a society undemocratic rarely get labelled as such, because they are the status quo to us. While if you call yourself a socialist you het scrutinized and called out constantly, like here on Dutch TV, while I never hear about the many despots that conform to western neo-liberal rule. So, yes, excuse us if we allow Chavez more slack than we would in our own countries, you're right about that, and I understand how people can be so anti-Chavez when you actually are from Caracas, but he at least helps show that an alternative to loving liberalism can work.
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Oct 12, 2012 05:19
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why are Latin Americans so warry of this? Classism.
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El Hefe posted:No I'm not defending anything, but he himself tried a coup so it's a bit rich for him to be calling out people as "golpistas" when he's also a golpista, that's all. He doesn't like people to plan a coup against his government, while he himself was involved in a coup? What a hypocrite! 
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