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 If you own Legendary Edition you can put your LE player code into steam and then get this for   (props to Midge and Corte for OP) NEW RACES Finally there is no real excuse to not play this version instead of fumbbl. Adding Chaos Dwarves which should have been in from the beginning frankly. They are one of the best teams in the game, playing tournaments without them is kind of shameful. The other two new races, Underworld and Khorne Daemons are both gimmick teams. Khorne was developed under powered I think. They should at least been made as a B class team, instead they are apparently bottom tier, I lost my first game I tried with them against an AI norse team. I've only ever lost against the AI in the past with gobbos and halflings. What Is Bloodbowl? Blood Bowl is an ultra violent team sport, based on the Warhammer fantasy world. Build up your team with Orcs, Elves, Dwarfs and many other fantasy creatures before jumping into the bloodiest arenas! Where can I find goons to play with? Let's Play thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3303607&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1. IRC - #tgbloodbowl on irc.synirc.org Pretty much required! Steam Community - http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bloodgoonz What systems can I play it on? As far as I am aware CE is PC only. Minimum PC system requirements: * OS: WINDOWS XP SP2 / VISTA SP1 / WINDOWS 7 * Processor: PENTIUM4 2.4GHZ / ATHLONXP 2400+ * 3D Graphics card: 128 MB 100% DirectX® 9 and shaders 2.0 compatible (NVIDIA GEFORCE 6600 / ATI RADEON X700 or higher) (note: Intel, SIS and Via/S3G graphics controllers not supported) * RAM Memory: 1 GB (XP) / 2 GB (VISTA) * Hard disk space: 3 GB * Sound card: DirectX® 9 COMPATIBLE Game Types Short of it is; PC is the only way to play and don't bother playing against the AI or pubbies. Especially the AI will make you into a terrible player. Multiplayer This game has TERRIBLE ai. Just join IRC and come play with goons. The Teams There is a decent covering of the teams on Cyanides website: http://www.bloodbowl-game.com/index.php?rub=races-home-bble Download The Rules! http://www.bloodbowl-game.com/index.php?rub=medias-rulebook ------------------------------------------------- ***General FAQ*** If you have no clue what you are doing we can help but please READ THE RULES FIRSTThe first thing I recommend is to come talk to us on IRC. We have people playing all hours of the day. I personally run and IRC bot that holds information on teams, skills and game concepts for quick reference. This game looks interesting but hard. It is! the basics can be a bit challenging, but after you play a few games the concepts become second nature. Blood Bowl is a lot like a football version of Chess. You can move your pieces once per turn, most actions require a roll of some kind, failing can end a turn prematurely. (this is called a Turnover) That means there's an element of risk management that makes the games exciting. You can never be 100% sure of success if you need to roll the dice for something. This uncertainty and luck based gameplay is addictive and fun to watch, most Blood Bowl fans become so enamoured with the game they never stop playing. I don't know what the gently caress I'm doing? Can you build me a team please? There is so much range in this game for teams there really aren't any general pointers to give. You can play Blood bowl based upon your personal style. Do you want to hit things? Do you want to pass the ball and score? Do you want a tough team that can take punishment and dish it out as well? Do you like breasts? This game can cater to your tastes. Join us on IRC and we will give you pointers or you can spectate matches until you find something you enjoy. I want to try the game out, but I don't want to spend any money, yet. There is a FREE version of Blood Bowl that uses Java called FUMBBL. It's a great tool to watch, play and learn about the game. There are goons on IRC that would be happy to play with you, or help you learn and install the Javabowl client. What is Fumbll? Basically Fumbbl is a java-based version of BB. The main version uses Living Rule book ver 4 (LRB4) with a beta using LRB6 in the works. The Beta is nearly done and has many, many players and teams. Pros +More teams and gimmicks like a stunty league +Free +Older, more involved community including many serious tabletop players/testers +Lower system requirements +Disconnections get punished more severely +Supports spectating (very important) +can pick back up disconnected games What about the PC version? Cyanide tried to make a Bloodbowl-esque game called Chaos League. It was pretty terrible and Games Workshop (who own the franchise) sued them over it. Part of the settlement involved Cyanide making a PROPER game using the license. Even though there have been bugs and a few problems with the game, (they aren't the best game company) there is more good than bad with the game. The Chaos Edition allows players to pick 23 of the 24 teams and play in online leagues, as well as single player games vs the AI. How hard this AI is depends on who you ask. I personally see it as decent for teaching beginners to learn how not to make mistakes. Portable versions? They released this game for the PSP and DS. I own the PSP version and it's decent, but the DS version is terrible and you shouldn't waste your time on it. I like tabletop games, should I even bother? Blood Bowl can be played just like any Miniatures game, in fact, I say it's even cheaper than other tabletop games because the number of models you need to make a team is much smaller. (Usually 16 players on a team) Before I'd get out my wallet I would check and see if anyone in your area even plays it. Even if you can't play locally there is more than enough gaming online to suit your needs. Ok I want to try the game out, where should I start? First, if you haven't already, watch the Goon made Let play run by cKnoor. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3303607. He does a great job showing a team starting from scratch. If you like what you see and want to actually try the game out. Come meet us on IRC. One last thing One thing I will mention, a Blood Bowl player has a gaming life similar to a fat kid looking for a prom date. The more you try to get lucky the better your chances, but do expect disappointment. Your best laid plans will fail, you opponent will get lucky, your best player will die on one bad roll. The best coaches are the ones who get back up again and keep playing. Cyanide Leagues! The oldest cyanide goon league running is one I created when the first version of the game was released. The Giant Goon League Pass:fuckgoons is still going, just make a team and then apply. We'll accept any team that applies so don't worry about joining with a new team or anything this is just the league for loving around with, it's not a tournament league or anything. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386122 is the old first post from way back when. HOW TO QUIT A LEAGUE AND JOIN THIS ONE:To quit an existing league and join this one go to the leagues tab, then pick the league your team is in from the dropdown at the top of the screen. Then in the lower left dropdown pick your team and then quit league to the right of the dropdown there. Once that is done search for "Giant Goon League" pick your now free team and apply, then join IRC for instant approval, or go to bed, you probably need the sleep. IRC - #tgbloodbowl on irc.synirc.org Here are a bunch of starting formations for newbies. These do not apply to funky (terrible) teams like vamps or ogres. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3511321&pagenumber=6&perpage=40#post409925229 Washout fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Nov 25, 2012 |
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My own personal highly opinionated team descriptions.  ELF TEAMS Normal elf stats are 6-8 movement 3 strength 4 agility and 7-8 armor. There are four different elf teams. Of these Dark Elves are generally considered the best since they have high AV and really good positional players. The others are roughly equal in power I'd say. High Elves  High elves are known for having a great passing game since they have really good catchers and the best throwers of any team. They also have decent armor value allowing them to be much more durable then pro or wood elves. They still fall short of being able to do real bash play since they don't have any strength skill access anywhere in the entire team, and only the two blitzers start with block. Dark Elves  Generally considered the best elf team Dark elves also don't play as much elf ball (passing plays) as the other three teams on account of not having either catchers or throwers to start, and also being generally slower. Instead they have a fantastic running game, which is really more reliable anyway. They bash the best of any elf team, getting 4 blitzers to start with block and then two fantastic witch elves, who are commonly considered some of the best single players in the game. "Pro" Elves  Pro elves are the generic elves of the game. Originally in the first edition of bb back before there were different races of elves. They are known for having the best passing game of any team owing to the fantastic catchers. Their blitzers are also astounding starting with Block and Side Step. Of course the big downfall of this team is the low AV which means that you will always have injured players and will be spending money on replacements regularly. Also known for being the least able to throw a punch. Wood Elves  Wood Elves have a great running game and good passing, and also get to field a treeman. The biggest draw of the team however are the Wardancers. Who are guaranteed to ruin your day a few times in any given match. Widely considered the best single positional player in the game. The main problem with the team, as with pro elves is they can't take a hit. And they rely way too much on the wardancers for clutch plays. HUMAN TEAMS Normal human stats are 6 move 3 str 3 agi and 7-8 armor. Humans  Vanilla humans can do everything, and do it pretty darn well. They get an Ogre, they get 4 good blitzers with block, they have catchers and throwers to pull off clutch plays. the only big disadvantage they have is that they don't have any real specialists. So they will tend to be outclassed at higher team values. In the begining and middle team values is where they tend to excel. Positioning is everything with humans, and will make or break your game. Norse  Norse are a good juxtaposition of low armor and good punching. In trade for the low armor values nearly all the players start with block and they get a few high strength positionals. Norse excel at mowing down the opposing team and pushing them off the field altogether and then score at the end when there's nothing of the enemy team left. Norse games have a tendency to be either or affairs because as easily as you can steamroll the opponent the same can happen in return. Amazons  Generally called zons they excel at the running game. The biggest draw is that they have four starting players with a combination of block and dodge, the only players in the game that start with both of these skills. It's a fantastic advantage that evaporates when playing against higher value teams or dwarves. The big gimmick is that they all start with dodge. They do not have the same capacity for big plays like the elves do since overall agility is lower. MUTATION TEAMS I'm grouping these together because even though the teams vary wildly, they all get access to mutations skills, these teams have players that can grow extra heads, arms, claws, etc. Skaven  Otherwise known as rats, Skaven have an amazing running game with the fastest positional players in the game. Gutter runners (gunners) are mv 9 str 2 agi 4 little balls of bullshit. Exceptionally fun and one of the top teams at any team value. They do not hit hard, but with some lucky rolls you can build some specific killer players. Chaos  One of the teams that gets mutation access without having to roll a double on a skill-up chaos is a very late blooming team. They don't have any skills to speak of to start with. And only two positions, beastmen and chaos warriors. But you can build them to do nearly anything. Stupid pubbies in open leagues however only build them to destroy your team. More of a bashing team then anything else however. Nurgle  A disease ridden chaos team, nurgle swing away from passing and ball handling and towards a much more defensive slow bashing playstyle. In trade for being much more durable and hard to hit they lose some beastmen and gain rotters, which are terrible. Chaos Dwarves  Hated by goons everywhere because your team is still half hitler, chaos dwarves are another top tier team. The big draw is 6 dwarves to start with eventual mutuation access and the surprisingly quick and strong bull centaurs. They even have token goblins for the other team to feel good about killing while you murder the rest of their team. Underworld  A few Skaven, a few goblins, a troll and full access to mutation skills. They are fairly slow and half the team is str 2 putting you at a big disadvantage for punching. A very unique playstyle that I don't understand at all. They have some crazy gimmicks like big hand two arm goblins that are very effective however. OTHER TEAMS These few teams just don't fit in any other category. Orcs  Orcs are possibly the best newbie team. They have heavy bash but also the ability to pull out a passing play if things are desperate. Also extremely durable with high armor values across the board. Very forgiving on account of the 4 high strength black orcs. Lizardmen  Lizards have a great draw, 6 high strength big lizards, a huge lizard to keep them company and then a lot of other lizards to actually get the ball and run with it. A very unique team with the high and low strength values of 4 and 2 with nothing in the middle. Not very great until middle and late team values however. Khorne Daemons  Being a chaos team you would think they get mutation skills, but no they do not. A solid bottom rank team because they start with a ton of frenzy and not a single guy with block. The only saving grace is they have the best big guy in the entire game. Most "pro" players will tell you not to take a big guy in any team however since the drawback they all come with are so severely bad. For funhavers only. Dwarves  Dwarves have terrible ball handling ability with the compromise being the best bashing in the game. Goons will hate you if you play them though, because they are a team of little hitlers. A typical dwarf game is kicking to you and stalling your advance leaving the score at 0-0 in the first half, then in the second half they grind down the field and then score once in the final turn of the game. They do this every single game and playing dwarves is always the same. UNDEAD TEAMS Pretty much the only thing these teams have in common is theme. They all play very differently from one another despite sharing a lot of the same types of players. Ranging from very fast with excellent ball ability to very slow with non existent ball ability. Necromantic  Another top tier team at all team values, necro have a running game almost as good as skaven. In trade they get a lot more punching power. The biggest stars on the team are the super fast super killer werewolves. A bit similar to wardancers you have to make sure they do not dominate the play. Undead  Undeads big draw are the hulking mummies. One of the few teams with more then one str 5 player they are a good bash team with a good running game, provided you can keep your ghouls protected. Khemri  Where undead are somewhat european flavored with mummies ghouls etc, Khemri are egyptian themed and expand to 4 mummies at the expense of vulnerability and no ball handling ability. Known for fumbling the ball endlessly until the opposing team picks it up they nevertheless have a good niche against other slow defensive teams. Vampires  Vampires have the most bullshit ability in the game, and amazing stats. To compensate for that they have the worst drawback and aside from the 5 vampires the rest of the team is terrible. Personally my favorite team they are capable of stealing the ball from cages so protected a wardancer would be afraid to go near it. On the other hand they do decide to nip off the field for a snack and leave you hanging with horrible regularity. STUNTY TEAMS These are generally bottom tier teams, very hard to win a game with, although it does happen if you get lucky. Player skill can only take you so far and with these teams it's not enough to win. Halflings  Other teams love to play against halflings, since when you get tired of beating up the little guys you can knock over the treemen and try to foul them to death. The only "proper" way to play them is to chop your team value down to 600 or 800 (very low) and then use your huge piles of money to hire star players and steal your opponents rerolls. Every time a halfling levels you fire him, and if a tree gets level 3 without block you do the same thing. Goblins  Cheating and dirty tricks are the only way to win with goblins. Chainsaws, pogo sticks, and high explosives are the key to victory. Too bad they malfunction and kill the goblin holding them most of the time, sometimes you will go on a murder spree and kill half the opposing team. Ogres  Comprised of mostly snotlings, which make halflings look buff, Ogre teams also surprisingly get some ogres. Not that it will help when each turn on average one won't do anything but stare stupidly and if you get unlucky half the team sits there. Surprisingly popular with goons because we share the same appetite, girth, and smell. Washout fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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Is there any word on why they added Khorne Daemons rather than Chaos pact or Slann? What does the Khorne roster look like?
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Stats I can find are:quote:- Pit Fighter, Quantity 0-16, 60k, MA 6, ST 3, AG 3, AV 8, Skills: Frenzy, Normal GP, Double AS They look... bad to be honest. Pretty rubbish linos, under strengthed for bashing, zero innate block or dodge for defence, REALLY expensive big guy. No mutations? Not sure if that's right. They'll probably be ok on offence, but on defence they look really weak. edit - What would you even start with? goatface fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 11, 2012 |
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goatface posted:Stats I can find are: Well, it sure is BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD style. I'd go with max bloodletters and heralds and try and get block as fast as possible. They look like a barrel of laughs to play.
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If I buy Blood Bowl: LE for 10$ right now, will I be able to buy Chaos Edition for 10$ as well (thus making me pay only 20$ for chaos edition)?
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Jack Trades posted:If I buy Blood Bowl: LE for 10$ right now, will I be able to buy Chaos Edition for 10$ as well (thus making me pay only 20$ for chaos edition)? Yes, or if you prefer (and its not against any rules I don't know about) you can PayPal someone who's got the $10 price point $10 and have then gift you the game.
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jivjov posted:Yes, or if you prefer (and its not against any rules I don't know about) you can PayPal someone who's got the $10 price point $10 and have then gift you the game. Amazing! Bought LE and CE for 20€.
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Does Chaos Edition improve the UI at all, or fix any of the bugs from Legendary Edition? I'd love to get back into it, but the clunkiness of the previous versions kind of put me off.
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Not that I can see, but I need to find more goons to play with. Guys if you are getting into this game again please join us on IRC and we can get you into the goon league no problem. Just need to rebuild the community back up a bit to what it was like in the LE days.goatface posted:Stats I can find are: Letters should be av8 and everyone should get mutations on doubles, then they might at least be decent. Washout fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Oct 11, 2012 |
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Pretty cool that this is $10 for people with the earlier version, made it a no-brainer for me. I'm excited to have Chaos Dwarves at least.
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goatface posted:quote: Yeah, the team looks really bad. Tons of frenzy, but no block to start (which Norse get) with so all those -2dbs you frenzy into will be even more likely to cause a turnover. Also, I really don't get what the deal is with the herlads. They get +1 AV and frenzy (with ST3 mind you) over the Bloodletter, but lose access to A and lose regen. Not a huge thing, but no member with MA >6 also means that their passing game will be limited even though they have P access on linos. It's like they don't know what they're trying to be. Even when you've filled out your 'positionals' you'll have 6 ST3 dudes and 1 ST5 with frenzy on the pitch. That sounds pretty awful to me. It's more than Norse, and at least of the 5 Norse players, 2 start with block, and 3 have ST4 of ST5. Bloodletters look like the best player on the team and the Bloodthirster as a big guy at least looks ok with MA6 starting claw and ghetto block (juggernaut) as well as regen, means he'll be a decent blitzer out of the box. PotatoManJack fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Oct 12, 2012 |
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Washout posted:Not that I can see, but I need to find more goons to play with. Guys if you are getting into this game again please join us on IRC and we can get you into the goon league no problem. Just need to rebuild the community back up a bit to what it was like in the LE days. Went to #tgbloodbowl thar is nobody thar?
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SilentD posted:Went to #tgbloodbowl thar is nobody thar? whaaatt the room is packed right now. irc.synirc.org
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With Chaos Dwarves in the game now, am I given the green light to play Dwarves in the GGL again? Dwarves own y'all.
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Does this version have any capacity for persistent off-line teams, ie for hot-seat?
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For the record Underworld isn't a gimmick team, and fumbbl is still the only place where you can play all the official races. Not really sure why I am complaining since I bought CE all the same.Deathroller posted:Is there any word on why they added Khorne Daemons rather than Chaos pact or Slann? What does the Khorne roster look like? They removed/didn't add Slaan due to GW not thinking frogs fit with their theme for Blood Bowl. No word on why they didn't add Chaos Pact, I assume it's due to them wanting to release another version in a years time.
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cKnoor posted:For the record Underworld isn't a gimmick team, and fumbbl is still the only place where you can play all the official races. Not really sure why I am complaining since I bought CE all the same. Can we expect a new LP of Chaos Edition with you playing as one of the new teams (preferably Underworld, for a change of play style)? Please? You original LP was entertaining AND informative, it also got me interested in Blood Bowl. I just bought LE and CE because of you.
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Jack Trades posted:Can we expect a new LP of Chaos Edition with you playing as one of the new teams (preferably Underworld, for a change of play style)? Please? I am doing some videos with Ethan right now. http://www.own3d.tv/cKnoor/live/384432
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Khorne look really expensive for what you get. Ignoring the price the Bloodthirster is probably the best big guy though.
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So I own Legendary Edition but have no idea where the serial code went and I quite frankly want to get this because we need to get Chaos-y for . Does anybody know where the serial is stored on your computer because I know it is, just not where.
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It's in your registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cyanide and then whichever version you have.
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Mr. Wedenhart posted:It's in your registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cyanide and then whichever version you have. Problem here, which I probably shouldn't mentioned, is that I recently was forced to reformat my computer which wiped my registry. I was hoping it'd be laying around in one of the many folders cyanide likes to dump into your computer because I still have those.  ...I'll need to email Cyanide again, won't I.
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Probably. If you ordered it online from cyanide and still have the order number you can easily retrieve your player key. e: vvv Never. INTJ but horny fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Oct 12, 2012 |
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So now that they've almost milked Blood Bowl for everything it's worth, they'll surely make my dreams come true and greenlight a Necromunda or Mordheim game right? Right?
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Mr. Wedenhart posted:Probably. If you ordered it online from cyanide and still have the order number you can easily retrieve your player key. Luckily I looked really hard and found it, only to find out that they want the PLAYER key, not the serial key. 
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Someone compared this to XCOM. If I really enjoy XCOM, is this something I might enjoy as well?
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It it played very similar to X-COM, in that perfect planning will sometimes be no match for your star player suddenly deciding that he is a tree and therefore cannot move, or your lineman with the ball a yard away from the endzone trips over his own feet and dies. It's all about minimising risk and making sure that bad luck doesn't lead to catastrophic defeat.
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Pierson posted:It it played very similar to X-COM, in that perfect planning will sometimes be no match for your star player suddenly deciding that he is a tree and therefore cannot move, or your lineman with the ball a yard away from the endzone trips over his own feet and dies. It's all about minimising risk and making sure that bad luck doesn't lead to catastrophic defeat. So it rewards strategy but throws the RNG bit in there so nothing is ever certain? \/\/ Awesome. Sign me the gently caress up. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 12, 2012 |
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Yes. Also very similar to X-COM in that you shouldn't get attached to any of your players.
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Boondock Saint posted:So it rewards strategy but throws the RNG bit in there so nothing is ever certain? Blood Bowl taught me to be a better XCOM player (i.e. "what is the least riskiest way I can play my turn?")
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Boondock Saint posted:So it rewards strategy but throws the RNG bit in there so nothing is ever certain? It really teaches you to learn to accept failure. Almost every roll you can make in the game fails automatically on a 1. So that means that anything that requires a roll has a minimum of a 1/6 chance of failure (rerolls can reduce this, but it's always going to be there).
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So are any of the new teams newbie friendly. I really should get back into this game.
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I bought the old version but never really had time to play it, but if the rules for injuries and level ups are the same as the board game, if you play Orcs and don't play against Chaos or Skaven often you'll rarely lose a guy
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smashthedean posted:So now that they've almost milked Blood Bowl for everything it's worth, they'll surely make my dreams come true and greenlight a Necromunda or Mordheim game right? Right? Cyanide has already done enough damage to a great IP thank you. I certainly wouldn't want them to get their lazy hands on Necromunda or Mordheim. Now Relic on the other hand...
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The one thing that should probably be mentioned that might put you off is that unlike most RPGs you can't guide a player's evolution exactly how you want. Skills are divided up into pools, and access to those pools is dependant on the two dice you roll when you level up. Generally players get automatic access to pools that 'make sense' (quarterbacks get blocking skills, runners get ball-handling skills etc) but some of the really powerful or unique skills (extra arms, two heads, tentacles and suchlike) or permanent stat-ups need you to roll 11 or 12, and access to skills that you wouldn't normally see (i.e. your giant Minotaur getting to see the ball-handling pool) might need doubles. It's not a huge problem for most people but I've seen some dudes just absolutely hate it. Pierson fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 12, 2012 |
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I'd like more info. What changes are made to the game besides the addition of a few new teams?
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Gort posted:I'd like more info. What changes are made to the game besides the addition of a few new teams? No changes. 10 bucks gets you 3 new teams, 1 new stadium and 1 new star player and maybe a few less bugs (unlikey, this is Cyanide after all). The core blood bowl rules haven't changed and are unlikely to ever change at this point, since they've been this way for 15(20?) years, aside from a few skill tweaks and clarifications.
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You can look at all the player's touchdown animations in the player viewer, I no longer have to wonder what it's like to see a tree make a touchdown.
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Picked this up today and it's been lots of fun. Though I can't manage to not get wrecked by the singleplayer AI.
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