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I don't quite get why people don't like that they called it Bioshock. I mean if you consider Call of Duty, no-one really cares that Black Ops is in a different universe than Modern Warfare or the WW2 games. Just the name Bioshock has certain implications on the art and gameplay styleMelvinTheJerk posted:I mean, this is crazy right? We don't say that any handsome guy in a game is just eye candy for the ladies, so why is the opposite true for a pretty woman? Yo this is really hella retarded reasoning, and I expect better from a Christian fan
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I find System Shock 2 far more replayable and a little more fun overall than System Shock 1, last 1/5th of the game not withstanding. But they're both cool games. Bioshock is fine overall. Bioshock 2 has better gameplay than 1 but the plot is like impaling your inner ear with a screwdriver. Infinite will probably be better than both, kinda creepy helper character aside.
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Bioshock 2 has better gameplay than 1 but the plot is like impaling your inner ear with a screwdriver. . (It's not, it's half a deadbeat dad story and half a criticism of cults of personality, regardless of the ideology they co-opt)
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Bioshock 2's plot wasn't the best, but the story of the prison, and Sinclair was really good, a new twisted side to rapture. Also, the art was amazing. Did you guys play Minerva's Den? It's, IMO, the best Bioshock, despite being only ~3 hours long. Really great in every way.
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computer parts posted:It's really not, unless you think the game is actually about how Communism is Evil. The one thing I felt let down by with Bioshock 2 was the Big Sister idea. The concept changed from a single important character to a checkpoint boss encounter (who can somehow spawn from inside a broom closet, natch). Seconding the Minerva's Den suggestions, it's absolutely fantastic although you'd be suicidal to play it before the two main games.
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Jetfire posted:The one thing I felt let down by with Bioshock 2 was the Big Sister idea. The concept changed from a single important character to a checkpoint boss encounter (who can somehow spawn from inside a broom closet, natch).
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Looks like Infinite is gonna have that in spades what with the song bird constantly trying to get Liz back. Thing will make for a fun fight.
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Jetfire posted:The one thing I felt let down by with Bioshock 2 was the Big Sister idea. The concept changed from a single important character to a checkpoint boss encounter (who can somehow spawn from inside a broom closet, natch). Some of the people behind Minerva's Den formed their own studio to make a game about exploring an abandoned house: http://thefullbrightcompany.com/gonehome/ It looks really unique. the black husserl fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Oct 22, 2012 |
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Oct 22, 2012 03:15
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Jetfire posted:Two games coming up where we get to possibly kill dozens to hundreds of crazy-rear end "patriotic" Americans who actually play villainous roles? Talk about a paradigm shift in modern games. Well good thing we'll also get to kill hordes of red-clad anarcho-communist revolutionaries to keep things fair and balanced in this game.
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This game gives me bad vibes. I cannot shake the feeling that this game will be simply, overpoweringly dumb. The aesthetic is impossible to take seriously as anything but broad-strokes farce, the setting lacks the plausibility Rapture had, they cast Troy Baker as the player character (not that he's a bad actor, it's just that he's usurped Steve Blum as "Generic White Male Voice", and his casting generally indicates a studio that doesn't give a poo poo about characterization), and the terminology they're using for plasmids and poo poo makes it sound like Nigel West loving Dickens is in charge of R&D. Every part of this game just exudes dumb.
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DStecks posted:This game gives me bad vibes. I cannot shake the feeling that this game will be simply, overpoweringly dumb. The aesthetic is impossible to take seriously as anything but broad-strokes farce, the setting lacks the plausibility Rapture had, they cast Troy Baker as the player character (not that he's a bad actor, it's just that he's usurped Steve Blum as "Generic White Male Voice", and his casting generally indicates a studio that doesn't give a poo poo about characterization), and the terminology they're using for plasmids and poo poo makes it sound like Nigel West loving Dickens is in charge of R&D.  I agree that it won't be a day one purchase though. Bioshock was fun but it didn't live up to the hype, and was too much of a first-person shooter. Also the moral choice that wasn't was pretty stupid too.
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A flying city is just totally unbelievable. A city on the bottom of the loving ocean? Now that's something I can believe in!
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comatose posted:A flying city is just totally unbelievable. A city on the bottom of the loving ocean? Now that's something I can believe in! I like the part in the underwater city where you used magic bees, though I found the entire experience to be quite lifelike and believable.
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comatose posted:A flying city is just totally unbelievable. A city on the bottom of the loving ocean? Now that's something I can believe in!
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Samurai Sanders posted:Even better, they SECRETLY built a city at the bottom of the ocean, and not even that long ago. No one noticed the countless container ships and stuff that left one port on one side of the Atlantic and never arrived at the other, for a period of years and years. Rapture's construction put the 'invisible' in the term 'invisible hand'.
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Conceptually, a hidden city of producers hangs together with objectivism and Galt's Gulch but that's as far as I'm willing to go
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Snack machines that regenerate their merchandise over 20 years? A city of libertarians with a needle sharing program?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Even better, they SECRETLY built a city at the bottom of the ocean, and not even that long ago. No one noticed the countless container ships and stuff that left one port on one side of the Atlantic and never arrived at the other, for a period of years and years. Well you see, this was a time before computers, so y'know...
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Jefferoo posted:Well you see, this was a time before computers, so y'know... The 50s isn't so different from our world today, you definitely couldn't hide a construction project of that magnitude anywhere, even in the middle of the ocean.
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Samurai Sanders posted:It's the 50s, they did have computers in a sense. But you don't need computers to have people fill out shipping forms that have to be accounted for when the ships arrive at their destination. Andrew Ryan just told everyone he was disposing of raw materials at the bottom of the ocean to raise the prices of the stuff he already owned. Nothing suspicious here.
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A secret underwater city feels a hell of a lot more feasible than a flying one, even if the secret part doesn't make much sense. Anyone else think the Songbird looks dumb as hell? I think it looks dumb as hell. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Oct 22, 2012 |
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Surprised by all the negativity here (apart from cleavage-gate, which is indeed pretty ridiculous). This game just looks so campy and weird that I can't help but smile. Giant floating world fair/death star? Ham handed critiques of both American jingoism AND socialist revolution? Machine gun wielding George Washington automatons? An enormous mechanical eagle programmed specifically to feel betrayal? There's just so many bizarre concepts being thrown together that, even if the game sucks, I'm sure it'll be fun to watch it blow apart into a pile of aesthetically stimulating incoherence.
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This thread  "You give her orders, but she's a woman, not a dude, so totally not okay. Oh and breasts. Also, if she was a soldier it'd be okay. So long as she didn't have breasts. Because. Oh, and an underwater city is way more plausible than a flying city because a corset like that is only practical underwater." Sorry, but the arguments sort of flowed into eachother after 4 pages of this poo poo. (Okay, so the cleavage is excessive, but 4 pages of whining about gratuitous breasts in a vidya game? Welcome to the year 2000 I guess)
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Yeah, the outfit is pretty ridic, but it's not the worst thing ever. Goons fixatin' or whatever. I'd be more worried about this guy's hat. Seriously, I want to be at the meeting when the art designers showed everyone else that. \/ \/ \/ You're right, it is awesome. But that doesn't make it any less
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Oct 22, 2012 06:31
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Actually, that's a cool hat.
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Jetfire posted:Yeah, the outfit is pretty ridic, but it's not the worst thing ever. Goons fixatin' or whatever. I'd be more worried about this guy's hat. It would be... well, it would still be dumb without the earhorns, but with them, it looks awful. Just awful. Man, I am really not happy with this game so far. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Oct 22, 2012 |
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You're not doing the hype thread thing right. Get hyped everyone!
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MelvinTheJerk posted:Sometimes women have breasts. This is a statement that seems shocking to a lot of goons. Even ignoring the silliness of "Well, people don't complain about MEN", my problem is that it's kind of lovely art design. My problem is that this character is portrayed as a child. She is innocent, naive and intentionally childish, up to and including playing around in a toy store when you go into one. Her facial art makes her look very young, even for the art style they're using here. It has more in common with the Little Sister than it does with any adult female. At the same time she is given a design with extremely deep cleavage. Such tops do exist in the real world but that doesn't make them neutral clothing. It's an strange juxposition because you have an innocent childlike character and the design she has. It really looks like one face was pasted onto another body. It's gotten better since the initial reveal where she literally looked like a doe-eyed 10 year old anime girl but it's still weird. Her body and face basically look like they came from different characters and it strikes me as really poor art design, not to mention a little creepy. And as far as the "It's Steampunk" goes:  This is the Empress from Dishonored. Notice how they managed to give her a completely reasonable outfit that is distinctive and unique. Likewise, here's the art of Lady Boyle from the same game. The idea behind this picture is that Lady Boyle has the Best rear end In The Kingdom and the artist who painted it focused on that. Despite inherently being a picture which is literally defined by "check out that rear end" they still had the character clothed like this:  Now, not every game needs to do that, but the idea that the only possible clothing options are "cleavage dress on everything" or "burqa" is pretty silly. Dishonored is by people who worked on Bioshock 2 even, so I'm not pulling a random comparison out of my hat. The art design for Elizabeth is random and kind of dumb, which I think is why it stands out so much. The character is all over the place and 'reads' more like a laundry list of "things that make someone want to protect a character' instead of something more cohesive. It's a shame because the rest of Bioshock Infinite's art design (at least from what we've seen) is pretty cohesive. Maybe the final product will surprise me but Elizabeth is one of the few things that feels wrong-footed to me, which is a surprise considering she's the single most important design in the game. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Oct 22, 2012 |
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Please, I beg you, let it go. We were just moving on
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voltron lion force posted:You're not doing the hype thread thing right. Get hyped everyone! At least we probably don't have to worry about Infinite not meeting our expectations 
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According to the video in the OP the developers immediately wanted this guy in before they decided on the other enemy designs. What kind of special gameplay element does it provide other than forcing stealth on the player?
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Samurai Sanders posted:It's the 50s, they did have computers in a sense. But you don't need computers to have people fill out shipping forms that have to be accounted for when the ships arrive at their destination. I know, I'm joking. Then again I'm pretty sure that was the writer's rationale for nobody noticing the ships going missing...
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ImpAtom posted:Even ignoring the silliness of "Well, people don't complain about MEN", my problem is that it's kind of lovely art design. Hey guy? The only problem with her design is that her tits are not big enough.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:According to the video in the OP the developers immediately wanted this guy in before they decided on the other enemy designs. What kind of special gameplay element does it provide other than forcing stealth on the player? Looks loving awesome? Creepy? Interesting take on the stealth thing, seeing as they don't loving see? I dunno. I like them the most out of all the dudes we've been shown so far.
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You guys don't like this game's weird aesthetic? Really? I think it's really cool and creative, and as impressive as Bioshock's water flowing graphics. Even better, actually, since it's 4 years later with all the engine improvements that brings. And the gameplay looks sort of similar to Bioshock's, but instead with more space to run around and shoot people, more fast-paced spectacle, and somewhat different gameplay mechanics (like the rifts that the woman does). Are the disappointed people coming from a standpoint of liking Bioshock and not liking the different take this game has, or are they critical of Bioshock and thinking that this is too similar? It seems like a fine sequel to me, borne of at least some kind of artistic vision- that alone is pretty unique among video games. The cleavage is stupid and I'm not convinced it wasn't deliberate for marketing or whatever, but the crazy eagle character and these weird semi-human robobosses are very interesting.
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Probably my most anticipated game since they released the first trailer. Character designs look good, skyrails look awesome, and even if Elizabeth just amounts to "spawn ammo, environmental hazard, or cover," I think the gameplay is still going to be excellent. Rapture was such an amazing environment, and Bioshock is one of my favorite games ever, so I'm hoping Levine can knock it out of the park again. Also, totally hope you can just jump off the edge of Columbia for no drat reason whenever you want. Furthermore, that dude's hat looks friggin' sweet.
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UP AND ADAM posted:You guys don't like this game's weird aesthetic? Really? I think it's really cool and creative, and as impressive as Bioshock's water flowing graphics. Even better, actually, since it's 4 years later with all the engine improvements that brings. And the gameplay looks sort of similar to Bioshock's, but instead with more space to run around and shoot people, more fast-paced spectacle, and somewhat different gameplay mechanics (like the rifts that the woman does). Both of these could be not a problem at all in the game itself, but I really can't tell. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Oct 22, 2012 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh yeah, I love the visual design across the board. There are only two things I'm worried about, that it will have some dumb-rear end, pointless morality system involving how you use your AI partner during combat, and that it will be mostly linear and scripted, like it looks in some of the trailers. I really, really hope that those level run-through trailers are just scripted to show stuff off because goddamn.
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RentACop posted:Please, I beg you, let it go. We were just moving on I won't mention anything more, just trying to clarify that my point wasn't "hurr cleavage." Samurai Sanders posted:Oh yeah, I love the visual design across the board. There are only two things I'm worried about, that it will have some dumb-rear end, pointless morality system involving how you use your AI partner during combat, and that it will be mostly linear and scripted, like it looks in some of the trailers. It's going to very likely be quite linear and very likely have a morality system of some kind. We've already seen that Elizabeth gets sick when she uses her power, so it'll probably be based on how often you have Elizabeth press herself. (i.e: She dies if you spam her abilities too much.)
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