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kingturnip posted:Yeah, that can get awkward. I tend to just lurch the nearest leg forward so that they end up mostly hanging off my knee. Please stop kneeing infants in the face.
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Eggn0g posted:and an IT teacher who had baked bean fetish stuff on a school computer. 
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I was really worried that I had never noticed anything dodgy growing up, but woke up this morning remembering one incident. We used to go to camps over summer to get disadvantaged kids out of the lovely area we were in for a bit. I guess trying to stop us getting involved in drugs, booze dealing and robberies like everyone seemed to get into at about 12/13/14 around there. At one camp when I was around 15ish we were sharing some random christian type facility with 'good' kids, but shared the shower block. On the first or second day, can't remember, some creepy old gently caress came into the joint when we were washing up and was really insistent about us all taking off our undies to wash properly. That really went down badly and when he got really pushy people started to call him a rock spider and throw bars of soap at him. Being 'bad' kids we all got told off and the kids who hit him with soap bars got sent home. Creepy old gently caress wasn't seen again and the adults were 'banned' from the showers unless they were camp supervisor type people when kids were in there. I had forgotten about it, but vividly remember knowing that guy was a creepy child molester at the time who wanted to see some nice soapy boy parts. I guess it is sort of a more happy memory than a bad one, because the look on the old pervs face when kids were ditching stuff at him and threatening to get him in his sleep was actually pretty funny.
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fluffyplague posted:Change "probably unclean" to "possessed by Satan" and you have my experience as a child in the Southern US in the 1970s. That sounds awful:(
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HortonNash posted:Anyway the point I'm making with this rambling post is that teachers need to act to protect themselves from ever being in a situation where there's even a suspicion of impropriety, more so if you're male teacher (for some reason Ive found y1-2 infants love to launch themselves at you to give you a hug at crotch height at random times). If you need to supervise showering, you better be drat sure you can be seen by other members of staff at all times or even better never be alone with the children under those circumstances. Otherwise you have no protection against malicious rumours and false accusations. A shame that it has to be like that these days, but necessary. Out of curiosity what's the view on letting them hug you these days anyway (not at crotch height obviously - lowering yourself first!) When I was a y3 or so infant, we absolutely adored our teacher and gave her hugs etc. She cried at the end of the year, so did we. She was just so sweet and still a fond "best teacher" memory today  It's a shame if kids don't get to have innocent close bonding with their teachers these days, and only have a stone cold professional relationship (no wonder they end up feeling so unloved and depressed later in their childhood) but wouldn't surprise me, the 80s were a very different era. Secondary school was different of course. Most of the teachers there hated us. But hey, teens. GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at May 23, 2013 around 08:21 |
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GargleBlaster posted:A shame that it has to be like that these days, but necessary. I see female teachers hug children all the time, the only times I've seen a male teacher do it was when caught by surprise with a crotch-hug, which then involved prising the children off. But then I never hugged my male Y6 teacher back in 1987, the only time I ever got hugged by a female teacher at all was when my mum died when I was in Y4.
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GargleBlaster posted:A shame that it has to be like that these days, but necessary. I'm not a teacher but an after schools club worker. I did it for many years from the age of 17 until I stopped to have a family. When I started back 10 years later, at my own children's school, on my very first day during induction I was warned that things had changed utterly and that I was not allowed to initiate contact with a child. They had to come to me, arms out stretched, or climb up on my knee for me to comfort or cuddle them. Oh, and it had to be witnessed. If I was alone with a child who had hurt themselves and wanted a cuddle I was to reject them. I once got scolded for putting a sticking plaster on a bloody knee in the office because it wasn't witnessed. We had Child Protection training twice a year, had to be police checked once a year, had to be police checked for any different premises we were entering or jobs we were doing so I ended up getting 3 police checks a year, all at the same time but for different buildings/jobs since we had to enter the 'big school' and I also drove the minibus. We were spot checked by Social Services about once every 3 months. I worked there for 5 years of the 8 that the business was running. We never once had a child protection problem. Not once.
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Sarah Bellum posted:I'm not a teacher but an after schools club worker. I did it for many years from the age of 17 until I stopped to have a family. When I started back 10 years later, at my own children's school, on my very first day during induction I was warned that things had changed utterly and that I was not allowed to initiate contact with a child. They had to come to me, arms out stretched, or climb up on my knee for me to comfort or cuddle them. Oh, and it had to be witnessed. If I was alone with a child who had hurt themselves and wanted a cuddle I was to reject them. I once got scolded for putting a sticking plaster on a bloody knee in the office because it wasn't witnessed. My kneejerk reaction would be PAEDOPHILE WITCHHUNTS RUINING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH KIDS, but after reading a lot of stuff in this thread... I dunno, actually seems a pretty appropriate level of caution.
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Corridor posted:My kneejerk reaction would be PAEDOPHILE WITCHHUNTS RUINING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH KIDS, but after reading a lot of stuff in this thread... I dunno, actually seems a pretty appropriate level of caution. Yes its getting to me a little that in a thread about massive, institutional sexual abuse we're wandering along the line of "oh isn't it a shame that you can't do x or y anymore!" and I think maybe it's a little tone deaf to have that conversation in here. I'm a male teacher and I've never once, for one second, thought "this relationship would be better if I could only touch the students more!" Teaching is a caring profession, but my god there are other ways to nurture that without contact.
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mcsquared posted:I'm a male teacher and I've never once, for one second, thought "this relationship would be better if I could only touch the students more!" Teaching is a caring profession, but my god there are other ways to nurture that without contact.
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Cardiovorax posted:Not to poo poo on you or anything, but it's pretty well-established that this isn't actually true. Touching is hugely important in establishing attachments and emotional health in children. This thread might not be the best place, but that doesn't mean that questioning whether the current "no touching ever" policy could also be harmful isn't valid. And of course, the "no touching ever" policy never existed.
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mcsquared posted:Yes its getting to me a little that in a thread about massive, institutional sexual abuse we're wandering along the line of "oh isn't it a shame that you can't do x or y anymore!" and I think maybe it's a little tone deaf to have that conversation in here. I'm bemused that that's what you took from my post. I was merely stating facts about my experience in my profession. I'm more aggrieved about the constant pointless police checks than not being allowed to get my hands on a child, and I've never thought and certainly didn't imply that "this relationship would be better if I could only touch the students more!".
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Cardiovorax posted:Not to poo poo on you or anything, but it's pretty well-established that this isn't actually true. Touching is hugely important in establishing attachments and emotional health in children. This thread might not be the best place, but that doesn't mean that questioning whether the current "no touching ever" policy could also be harmful isn't valid. I don't think that Harlow's experiments on monkeys translate much into whether or not the student-teacher relationship needs physical contact, sorry. We are not parents or guardians.
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