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Leon with a Zero posted:Jimmy and gary in their element, welcome to paedogeddon. Gross.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:23 |
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I find it amazing watching these cips back; especially the HIGNFY short from 1996. He was a predatory paedophile hiding in plain sight for nearly 40 years. Everyone seemed to know about it at the BBC and Fleet Street but appeared to have put far more weight on the opinion that he would be aggressively litigious rather than on common knowledge that he was loving children.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:30 |
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Truly he is the Harold Shipman of child abuse.happyhippy posted:Just wait for the stories we will get when Noel Edmunds dies. I can't wait. Not for the stories though, just in general.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:31 |
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2tomorrow posted:Somehow that video was even creepier than I expected. And I was expecting it to be pretty creepy. Even the little kids were looking around like, "Is this for real?"
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:33 |
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Vacantia posted:Everyone seemed to know about it at the BBC and Fleet Street but appeared to have put far more weight on the opinion that he would be aggressively litigious rather than on common knowledge that he was loving children. I don't think you understand the implications of the litigation talk. The point that was made is that Jimmy Saville was closely involved with similar paedophiles inside the police and in the music industry etc. It's not that he would sue people, it's that he could expose them.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:34 |
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Vacantia posted:I find it amazing watching these cips back; especially the HIGNFY short from 1996. Amongst other reasons such as "he did a lot of good" aka raised money, certain people probably thought they would be dragged down with him and the whole "he was just a bit weird/it was just the way things were done back then/dont be silly" mentality a lot of people had back then. A number of reasons kept it hidden. Well i say hidden it was obvious a lot of people knew (who else has a widely circulated fake(?) HIGNFY awkward out-take floating around). I'm more surprised the BBC even put out tribute programs, i mean regardless of all this he wasn't that well-loved anyway.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:38 |
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They always smoke cigars. It's like their gang sign.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:38 |
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All the coverage this has been getting makes it look like the BBC were the ones abusing kids. It was Saville and now that he's dead and can't take the flak someone has to be made a scapegoat and to the Torys delight its the BBC in the firing line, distracting people from the fact that Jimmy Saville is one of the worst sex offenders we've ever seen. Disgusting.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:43 |
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2.7182818284590 posted:I don't think you understand the implications of the litigation talk. The point that was made is that Jimmy Saville was closely involved with similar paedophiles inside the police and in the music industry etc. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/...E89N0T320121025 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20067409 You're more right than you think.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:44 |
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Leon with a Zero posted:Amongst other reasons such as "he did a lot of good" aka raised money, certain people probably thought they would be dragged down with him and the whole "he was just a bit weird/it was just the way things were done back then/dont be silly" mentality a lot of people had back then. A number of reasons kept it hidden. He was good friends with Margret Thatcher.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:44 |
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He raised ~£40 million for charity, and did so much voluntary work for children in hospitals that he was even given his own accommodation at the Broadmoor and Stoke-Mandeville hospitals. And now it all clicks into place what these rooms were probably used for.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:50 |
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Didn't somebody catch him molesting some kid in a coma?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 18:57 |
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Leon Einstein posted:Didn't somebody catch him molesting some kid in a coma? It was less "caught", more "observed doing it and mentioned it 40 years later when all this broke out". Edit: that article mentions that a high ranking adviser to a former prime minister may have been in the supposed paedophile ring. Thatcher's?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:00 |
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Leon Einstein posted:Didn't somebody catch him molesting some kid in a coma? It varies all the way from "yeah i deffo saw him nonce up a dead kids corpse" to "nah he was just a bit weird and touchy and odd"
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:03 |
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I just realized that this guy is probably the most successful celebrity pedophiles ever. He got fame, honor, money, and pedo-rear end, and didn't face any consequences.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:06 |
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Too bad that guy from "Seven" didn't find this man instead. It would have made that movie much more enjoyable to watch.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:08 |
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As someone who grew up in the nineties, never watched Jim'll Fix It or much of anything else he was in, and only dimly remembered the existence of Jimmy Savile whenever Hugh Dennis did one of his dumb "sho-waddeh-waddeh" bits, this whole thing is utterly surreal. He was only ever this incredibly eccentric and harmless old weird guy as far as I knew, but it turns out he was actually Britain's no.1 arch-paedophile since the sixties, and never got caught.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:21 |
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Rivethead posted:Too bad that guy from "Seven" didn't find this man instead. It would have made that movie much more enjoyable to watch. Kevin Spacey is pretty weird himself dude.
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I'm not the slightest bit surprised about him. I've met a few grown women who have met him on the offchance and ALL of them said what a sleazebag he was (a really nasty person, made crude comments rather than saying 'nice to meet you'). I watched the Panorama episode on Sunday and it was just... ugh. I'm a bit puzzled why everyone is coming down only on the beeb when it seems like it was the police that made the crucial failure. The beeb are also at fault though; there is no way nobody knew about his little pedo-ring he had going. It's peculiar: I remember reading a real life story in a women's rag back in the 80s about a young girl (12-13, I think) who said she was abused by Glitter - I believe she even lived with him for a while. Nothing was done about it back then and look how things turned out. Bill Wyman got away with it as well. It's horrible. VoodooSchmoodoo fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2012 around 19:40 |
| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:37 |
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Let the Salem Pedo Trials Begin!!! I accuse Goody Frostwerks and John Rivethead.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:42 |
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Leon with a Zero posted:It varies all the way from "yeah i deffo saw him nonce up a dead kids corpse" to "nah he was just a bit weird and touchy and odd" I love British slang - it's just so fun to listen to and read. I need to bone up on it. It's so entertaining that it brings out a little sunshine in the defilement of a dead kid's body.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:43 |
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I had the immense pleasure of going to see Jimmy Carr about 4-5 days after this whole thing exploded in the British media. The amount of jokes made at his expense (and at Jimmys expenses) were staggering. This whole thing is bizzare though. When Savile died people actually were queuing up to see his body and people in the area were lamenting about the loss of "a great man" and now this is how his story ends. What a difference a year makes!
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:43 |
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I remember reading something about Saville liking the dead ones a few years back on popbitch.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:45 |
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^^^ Appropriate user name. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:49 |
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Okay, I'm confused. How can someone abuse hundreds of people and an inquiry doesn't occur until after he's dead?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:53 |
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Extra Smooth Balls posted:I remember reading something about Saville liking the dead ones a few years back on popbitch. That story resurfaced the other day. One of his co-DJs stated in an R5 interview that Savile was a necrophiliac, leading to some very strange quotes from him about dead kids in the mortuary at Stoke Mandeville being unearthed.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:54 |
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Count Freebasie posted:I love British slang - it's just so fun to listen to and read. I need to bone up on it. It's so entertaining that it brings out a little sunshine in the defilement of a dead kid's body. Just to clarify, nonce has specific implications of paedophilia. Wouldn't want anyone to use it out of context. On the matter of wild speculation; someone mention Noel Edmonds earlier but I would be surprised to find he gets off to anything that isn't himself. "Brucie" on the other hand has always set off my creeper alert.
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FiftySeven posted:I had the immense pleasure of going to see Jimmy Carr about 4-5 days after this whole thing exploded in the British media. The amount of jokes made at his expense (and at Jimmys expenses) were staggering. It is quite the now/then now/then now/then dichotomy.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:56 |
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FiftySeven posted:I had the immense pleasure of going to see Jimmy Carr about 4-5 days after this whole thing exploded in the British media. The amount of jokes made at his expense (and at Jimmys expenses) were staggering. Is there some link between Savile and Carr that I missed? I read back through these two pages and I've seen a few references between HIGNFY and Carr and what have you, is there some further connection there beyond the clip linked?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2012 19:59 |
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I still don't know what to make of it all, and I think the idea that Saville abused upwards of 300 kids is frankly ludicrous. Oh and he liked to gently caress corpses too, and now it looks like he has links to the IRA as well. So let's tackle a couple of issues. 1) Was Saville banging girls of questionable age? More than likely, but then so was everyone's musical hero John Peel, who wrote about such things in his autobiography where he admitted to getting blown by girls as young as 13 because they were literally lining up to do it (The justification seemed to be that because the girls wanted to do it that it didn't make it predatory). The 70's were an incredibly promiscuous time and a vastly different era. That doesn't put the actions of Peel, Starr and Saville (Doubtless that there's countless others too) in the right at all. But you need to put these things in context. 2) Everyone knew about it but did nothing. gently caress this. If this is true then really just gently caress all of those who turned a blind eye, and that goes for Paul Gambaccini and Ester Rantzen and the ilk who all said they knew the rumours and did nothing. I get how hard it would've been to report it at the time, I'm sure abuse wasn't high on the police's radar at the time. But if you were afforded countless occasions to report it, even if it was anonymously, and didn't do it. Then you're a terrible human being. Coming out and saying it now is nothing but putting your own conscience at ease. 3) "There was a funny look about him" Of all the statements uttered by people, this is the worst one. Is this what we're like as a society now? "He looks like a Pedo" is literally what Brass Eye was making fun of. He didn't really, it's just filtered through this weird prism. 4) Jimmy Saville was the Scarlet Pimpernel of child abuse. Just the sheer number of allegations against him are ludicrous, and that they're presented as 'fact' is astounding to me. There's been a few occasions now where people have gone directly to the papers instead of going to the police first. There was a guy interviewed on the radio who had the story that Saville hosed him in his dressing room, then a BBC staff member came in and did nothing, complete with ominous warning from Saville that no one will believe him. Furthermore, there's just no proof. And the truth is there won't be. Instead we got a guy who isn't here to defend himself while countless people come out of the woodwork. At this rate there's going to be more kids in the 70's and 80's who weren't hosed by Saville than ones who were. For those that know about psychology etc and the behavior of paedophiles, wouldn't it be strange behavior if a man who abused countless kids during his time at the BBC was able to just stop suddenly? It seems odd that all the allegations against him are from his time there. It reminds me of the Satanic Ritual abuse during the 80's. Now having said all that, I wouldn't be surprised if those initial stories about Saville from 2007 that the police looked at had something to them. But all this bandwagon jumping does now is greatly diminish any legitimate claims that people had. I get this is a gently caress loads of words but I'm generally fascinated by these sort of mass hysteria cases.
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^Aaaaand there's the first post defending him.Cursed Lumberjack posted:Is there some link between Savile and Carr that I missed? I read back through these two pages and I've seen a few references between HIGNFY and Carr and what have you, is there some further connection there beyond the clip linked? I'm guessing it's because they share the same first name. Jimmy Carr's audience is generally...not sophisticated. Present company excluded, of course. Daktar fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2012 around 20:13 |
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DrVenkman posted:
Context? He abused young girls in childrens homes, learning disabilities hospitals and young offenders institutes. Exactly the sort of vulnerable kids no one would believe. Theres no context that makes that OK. EDIT- Ive just re-read your post and seriously, gently caress you.
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DrVenkman posted:Furthermore, there's just no proof. And the truth is there won't be. Instead we got a guy who isn't here to defend himself while countless people come out of the woodwork. At this rate there's going to be more kids in the 70's and 80's who weren't hosed by Saville than ones who were. Maybe the odd one or two out of those 300 will turn out to have been made up by attention-seekers. I say maybe. It's a big number, statistically some small proportion will be weirdoes. But the idea that some enormous proportion of them are liars is pretty insulting to the guy's victims and positing that it's all just a bunch of crazy hysteria is kind of a classless thing to do. I'm not sure why you felt you needed to make this post. I mean, the weight of evidence is hardly on Savile's side here.
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He looks like a member of the Fabulous Freebirds - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabulous_Freebirds God I miss good wrestling.
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Serotonin posted:Context? He abused young girls in childrens homes, learning disabilities hospitals and young offenders institutes. Exactly the sort of vulnerable kids no one would believe. I mean, look, your point of view is the same one bigots use to denounce Muhammed for being a pedophile because he married a 13 year old. To us it's wrong, as it should be, but back then child marriage was NORMAL. All these things are wrong of course, but human moral evolution is a serious of enlightenments that make what was normal, into unacceptable. Otherwise then every single people in the history of humanity was a participant in some monstrous evil, and deserve to be denounced. No one cared because back then in Britain it was normal to abuse kids in instutional care. Some of the other cases you can read about that happened in Great Britain make this look mild by comparison. Understanding isn't the same as condoning. Just as understanding the Roman Empire isn't the same as condoning slavery and imperialism. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What about this guy, who spent £160,000 buying Savile's Rolls Royce. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/buyer-jimm...-225719136.html quote:A man who bought Jimmy Savile's Rolls-Royce says he now wants nothing to do with the car after allegations of abuse by the star. Oh no poor me I'm so rich that my wife doesn't even notice me spending £160,000 on a whim for a car I don't even drive and  P-niiice posted:He looks like a member of the Fabulous Freebirds - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabulous_Freebirds Savile was a pro-wrestler before he was a DJ.
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Thundercracker posted:No one cared because back then in Britain it was normal to abuse kids in instutional care.  Are you loving serious? Just because it happened in other cases doesn't mean it was "normal".
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DrVenkman posted:I still don't know what to make of it all, and I think the idea that Saville abused upwards of 300 kids is frankly ludicrous. Oh and he liked to gently caress corpses too, and now it looks like he has links to the IRA as well. The context of it being illegal as Hell for adult men to have sexual contact with 13 year old girls at that time? The fact that the laws seem to have been less vigorously enforced in those days doesn't mean that what Savile is alleged to have done wasn't illegal at the time, as well as being immoral then and now. I was sexually abused as a child in the 1970s, and the fact that high profile folks like Roman Polanski were getting away with breaking laws about sex with minors didn't make the experience any easier for me. Getting abused sucks for children whether the police and prosecutors are vigilant and responsive or not. AlbieQuirky fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2012 around 20:31 |
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I guess the catholic church did nothing wrong since it was the 70s and "The 70's were an incredibly promiscuous time and a vastly different era"
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Cursed Lumberjack posted:Is there some link between Savile and Carr that I missed? I read back through these two pages and I've seen a few references between HIGNFY and Carr and what have you, is there some further connection there beyond the clip linked? Nah, Just that Jimmy Carr's humour tends to involve plenty of jokes involving topics like pedophilia. And to be fair, The audience at the show I was at were hardly very sophisticated as a whole.
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