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Forgive my ignorance, but...what is going on here? Is that a glasgow smile? 
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I'm a Brit living abroad at the moment, so I'm probably not up to date on everything (the whole situation is kinda surreal for me, to be honest). What do people think the chances are that a cover-up at the BBC did actually occur? And what would be the likely ramifications if that was the case? Of course the tabloids are having a field day with it right now, but it seems like this could be genuinely damaging for them in the long term.Sex Robot posted:"NOW THEN NOW THEN, IF YOU TRY TO TELL ANYBODY, THEY WON'T BELIEVE YOU! WHIZZO!" This literally made me shudder, thanks.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 03:22 |
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Squiggle posted:Forgive my ignorance, but...what is going on here? Is that a glasgow smile? That's what happens when little girls tell lies about Sir Jimmy Savile. It's an image from when he spent a lot of time at hospitals trawling the childrens wards and mortuaries for fresh, and not so fresh meat.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 03:23 |
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fuctifino posted:That's what happens when little girls tell lies about Sir Jimmy Savile. *sigh*
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 03:25 |
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Agrajag posted:So all this was out in the open and no one gave a poo poo? This is loving disgusting. I dearly hope that some of these who enabled his actions are brought up on charges. However by the looks of it so many people are involved with turning a blind-eye that it would be somewhat impossible. Too bad there will never be justice for all the people he molested. It's massive and it's been the lead story every day on the BBC since it broke. Maybe the US edition of the site doesn't feature the story but on my BBC site it's a main feature.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 06:43 |
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FinalGamer posted:You mean like everyone does? Lots of kids did stand up and say so, but mostly being kids in care or with learning disabilities no one believed them. Some were even punished for their wicked lies. Troubled teen with mental health problems word VS TV mega star who raised millions for charity. Funny how that works.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 06:47 |
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Serotonin posted:It's massive and it's been the lead story every day on the BBC since it broke. Maybe the US edition of the site doesn't feature the story but on my BBC site it's a main feature. Is the BBC still rear end covering over not running this story when it first showed up? Or are they through with that? Does a brit want to enlighten me?
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 06:50 |
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MoreLikeTen posted:Is the BBC still rear end covering over not running this story when it first showed up? Or are they through with that? Does a brit want to enlighten me? Nah people have resigned and the BBC are doing what they always do when they have found to gently caress up- self flagellate. For non Brits this might be hard to get their heads around. You end up with the weird situation where the BBC News and journalists are ripping into their own organisation as if they were reporting on a rival. Now compare that to Murdochs news empire who barely reported the phone hacking scandal.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 07:08 |
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When people ask why something wasnt done, or who could people let this happen it reminds me of my experience this year. Short version is I lost my job and did a training program. The people running the program were a bunch of clowns. There was this nice older lady from Syria in the program who kept getting bullied, especially by a this one TA. She turned to me for help and I gave it to her, The TA instructed me not to help her. I did the right thing and stood up to a bully and defended the lady from Syria. My classmate practically cried and thanked me at one point for helping her. Later when I was looking for work I unknowly applied at a facility the TA also happened to work at, and she fixed my wagon good. If I had sucked up to this TA I would have gotten a job, like a few other people did. A facility I interned at had a department meeting. In my opinion they were abusing interns by having them do menial work that other people on staff were scheduled and paid to do. Of course mistakes happen when you have no help or oversight because the people scheduled to do this job pretend to know nothing about it and everyone goes along with it. Anyway at this meeting do you think anyone stood up and pointed out the problem? Nope because all the students were hoping they could land a job there, or at least get a good reference. The reason people keep their mouths shut is rather simple. They come forward it could destroy their career.
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brapbrapbrap posted:
One of these things is not like the other
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 07:36 |
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JohnnyBigPotatoes posted:One of these things is not like the other I know many good perverts! 
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 07:49 |
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Hammerite posted:This whole scandal is really eye-opening to me because I never had any idea that there was anything "off" abut Saville. Perhaps I'm too young. Never really saw him in anything, he was just an eccentric figure and a has-been, old weirdo. But it turns out that plenty of people had some idea that something wasn't right about him, there were plenty of rumours. It makes you wonder how the hell he kept it an open secret (because it sounds like that's what it was) until the day he died. How does that happen, even through more than one wave of moral panic about paedophiles chased up by the press? Because it's true (I guess?) that things were different in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s. But he only died last year. It seems incredible that he got away with it all. The problem is - and especially in the time period that you are looking at - the UK is very much into it's institutions and belief in hierarchies. I can cite several examples of this - for example St George's School in Suffolk where last year their former head teacher was jailed for 21 years for a catalogue of abuse against his wards (along with a couple of other teachers). Again this one looked like every picture that had ever been done of the cartoon paedophile - just like Sir Jim, he had his behavour questioned, even in the national media back in the early 80s and still people let him get on with it for years because he was in a postition of authority at the time and therefore any word against him then was them vs Autority. It is an unfortunate fact that people who are in to this sort of thing rise to postitions where they can best abuse it, especially if they are a person with some charisma and talent; With hindsight yes we can all say Jimmy Saville was an insane looking pervert and closet pedo, however eccentricity is a part of the British culture and at the time we were all led to believe that he was just a weird old guy that did a lot of good work for charity etc. Yes in hindsight we all then go "Ohh I knew it all along!" but did we really? Im 40 so as a kid I remember him being on the TV all of the time. I even wrote in to ask if I could be on the show in the 80s for some 'Fix It'. (I now realise I didnt get my wish due to not being female, 14 and gullible) He also did shows about seatbelt safety and lots of other awareness campaigns. All the way to when the story broke recently, I honestly had no idea and then when it did I was all "Ohhh it makes sense now! Burn him with fire!". We can all do that poo poo in hindsight however sadly no one did it when he was alive. Sure he presented as creepy as poo poo on the Louis Theroux show however what is amazing is that we STILL didnt get it in the UK. Again we thought he was just eccentric and a bit odd (although that show did make us realise just how odd). I also urge my goonbuds from across the pond to look up Garry Glitter if they haven't already - a good example of what I am saying here again. Perhaps being an eccentric in the UK should mean extensive police checking immediately before you are allowed your 1970s haircut and tracksuit ?
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Leon with a Zero posted:loving hell, you couldn't make it up. What in the living gently caress Britain. What...what the gently caress? I wouldn't let this person come near myself much less within a hundred feet of a child. 
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DarkCrawler posted:What in the living gently caress Britain. We're an ugly race. We're fine with it.
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 08:42 |
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It is such a horrible and depressing scandal. Thinking of all the victims is heartbreaking, and it makes my faith in the good of humanity crumble that bit more. I hadn't heard any of the rumours before it broke and just thought of Jimmy Savile as an eccentric that really liked helping people and raising money for charities, and as much as I thought about it it warmed my heart that there were people like that in the world. Now of course it seems so obvious and the notion of selfless philanthropists has taken another beating.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Glitter Like Savile, Garry Glitter was very popular with children of the 70's (My Mother thought he was awesome)but it came out in the 90's that he was a horrid peadophile and was chased out of the country for it, now he lives in eternal police protection, yeah he looks extremely creepy but a lot of people here do.
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I saw this on ebay recently: JIMMY SAVILE ORIGINAL 10X6" GENUINE VINTAGE PHOTO 1972  "NON-SWIMMER JIMMY SAVILE BEING 'DROWNED' BY HANDICAPPED CHILDREN IN A SWIMMING POOL DONATED BY THE VARIETY CLUB OF GREAT BRITAIN" too bad 'drowned' is in inverted commas, but seriously 
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 09:40 |
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Serotonin posted:Nah people have resigned and the BBC are doing what they always do when they have found to gently caress up- self flagellate. Except in the case of the Eastenders actor charged with raping a 14yr old...that's been buried! But yeah, the BBC is well-known for self-flagellation. The amount of self-reporting on this makes me think the top brass know more poo poo is coming - I think more stars from the 70's/80's are going to be arrested. It's curious to see Esther Rantzen remaining free of any criticism despite the fact she came out early on to say she knew he was dodgy - yet she did nothing about it.
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WastedJoker posted:Except in the case of the Eastenders actor charged with raping a 14yr old...that's been buried! I think the Eastenders actor was under 16 himself when the offence happened hence why they are being careful
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drat it, Savile! We said think of the children, not finger!
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| # ? Oct 26, 2012 10:16 |
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Serotonin posted:I think the Eastenders actor was under 16 himself when the offence happened hence why they are being careful Yes, that's correct. The actor was 14 himself when the offences allegedly took place, and he's only just turned 16 now. PS. It's the actor who plays Ben Mitchell according to twitter
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Monster w21 Faces posted:We're an ugly race. We're fine with it. There is ugly and then there is Willy Wonka's demented child molester evil twin.
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DarkCrawler posted:There is ugly and then there is Willy Wonka's demented child molester evil twin.
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Talking of gary glitter, I was watching sliding doors recently (not really my kind of film, but an interesting concept) when I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRzNox0zuaE The film must have come out before the revelations, but still
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Plavski posted:Trawl through the band photos of 1970s English rock groups and you'll find a cavalcade of hideousness and a wide variety of awesome. Ugliness is not inherently a problem, despite what some people might think. It's not that he's ugly, it's that he's incredibly loving creepy. Like you couldn't look more like a child molester if you tried to. If he looked like Brad Pitt and had the same haircut, the same dead eyes and the creepy clothes I'd still walk across to the other street if I was walking around with a kid.
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David Icke has been pretty vocal about Savile's abuse since the 90s, by the way. Of course he kind of made it hard to believe him what with all the other stuff about the Queen being a shape shifting lizard, but I guess a stopped clock is still right sometimes.
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DarkCrawler posted:It's not that he's ugly, it's that he's incredibly loving creepy. Like you couldn't look more like a child molester if you tried to. If he looked like Brad Pitt and had the same haircut, the same dead eyes and the creepy clothes I'd still walk across to the other street if I was walking around with a kid. But does he look creepy because he looks creepy, or does he look creepy because you know that he's a mega-pervert. If you'd shown those photos of savile before the revelations people would be saying "aw bless, it's beloved national treasure sir jim, look at his cuddly little face." We see the eyes in the photos as being cold and dead now because we know he was a nonce. You can't tell a paedophile just by looking at them, and that is loving terrifying, so to cope with that horrific idea we alter our memories, we say "I always knew there was something not right about him." But we didn't really know, watch any of those "I love the '70s" shows and you'll see a section with everybody going on about jim'll fix it and what a great bloke he was. If someone in the '70s looked in the paper and on one page saw "the nation's favourite" jimmy savile and on one page and "Dangerous Terrorist" Nelson Mandela on another they'd be saying "ooh, look at his cold dead eyes, look right through you they do. If only everyone could be like good old jim."
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Hey now, I find plenty of beloved children's characters creepy as gently caress. Clowns, for example. I'm halfway convinced that all clowns are secret pedophiles and/or murderers.
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I've always found that the best books are the ones read purely by their covers.
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WastedJoker posted:The amount of self-reporting on this makes me think the top brass know more poo poo is coming - I think more stars from the 70's/80's are going to be arrested. For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of the seriousness. Names in the frame include someone from Blue Peter. 
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Shonagon posted:For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of the seriousness.
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Shonagon posted:For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of the seriousness. Been on for years? Goes underground when times get bad? I knew it that loving tortoise.
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Shonagon posted:For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of the seriousness. As long as it's not John Noakes I'm fine with that.
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Shonagon posted:For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of the seriousness. Payback for Leveson!?
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WastedJoker posted:Payback for Leveson!? Yeah, well, that's the scary thing, if they manage to turn 'abused children' into another loving media internecine war against the BBC. That said, there are a lot of reports of BBC staffers being tasked to pick kids and take them to private flats off the BBC premises. Nobody here probably remembers Uncle Mac, unless you have those ancient Hello Children Everywhere CDs, but he was the voice of children's TV for years, and according to no less than John Simpson, he was a raging kiddy fiddler. Simpson turned it up when researching his obit as a junior reporter, apparently wanted to do an expose, and was told to shut the gently caress up in no uncertain terms.
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WastedJoker posted:Payback for Leveson!? There's no doubt some papers will try to conflate the two, and claim that hacking is good because papers can uncover these types of scandals and report on them (and there's no doubt because Littlejohn is a stinkyhole and has already done it) but it was actual journalism that did it, with the shelved Newsnight expose first and the ITV documentary that built on some of their research. In terms of revenge, the BBC didn't do much more than report on Leveson, there's probably more malice towards the Guardian than there is the BBC.
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Shonagon posted:For definite. I know someone who works on the tabloids, apparently they are standing up a lot of stories right now, about live people. The tabloids are apparently collaborating on this, if that gives you an idea of I did some sub-editing for you, I hope you don't mind. quote:Names in the frame include someone from Blue Peter. yaffle posted:As long as it's not John Noakes I'm fine with that. He always was a bit too close to that bloody dog for my liking.
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yaffle posted:As long as it's not John Noakes I'm fine with that. Nah its Terry Nutkins from the Really Wild Show. Calling it now. A Uk forum I hang out on has 2 posters who wre both sexually assualted as kids by him That revelation upset me. I used to like him 
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Serotonin posted:Nah its Terry Nutkins from the Really Wild Show. Calling it now. A Uk forum I hang out on has 2 posters who wre both sexually assualted as kids by him I always heard he lost that finger to a squirrel?
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If it didn't set back feminism, I'd be all for banning men from contact with children forever.
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