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Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012



If they ever do that for sex offenders in the UK then I want the same thing for noisy neighbours, crap-drivers, violent offenders, burglars, con-men, animal abusers.....the list goes on.

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Drunk & Ugly
Feb 9, 2003

GIMME GIMME GIMME, DON'T ASK WHAT FOR


happyhippy posted:

If it was, the tabloids would pick on one, watch them and take a photo of them passing a kid in the street.
Easiest ON THE PROWL front page ever. Once the peado gets moved, pick the next one.

Then six months later, revisit the first one in his new hometown and turn up the ON THE PROWL AGAIN dials.

Yeah, living in the UK I've noticed how vicious some of these tabloids can be. Also upskirt shots of women on front pages when I go to the corner store to buy a beer? I almost face planted into the wall yesterday while gaping at the papers lined up below the candy bars...

I wonder what stops loads of magazines back in the states from doing the same thing? Surely they could skirt the libel laws like they do over here. Weird

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Drunk & Ugly posted:

Yeah, living in the UK I've noticed how vicious some of these tabloids can be. Also upskirt shots of women on front pages when I go to the corner store to buy a beer? I almost face planted into the wall yesterday while gaping at the papers lined up below the candy bars...

I wonder what stops loads of magazines back in the states from doing the same thing? Surely they could skirt the libel laws like they do over here. Weird

It's probably due to a difference in culture. In America it's generally understood that tabloids aren't meant to be taken seriously.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010


Anne Whateley posted:

I don't think this is nearly as bizarre as you're making it out to be. I mean, I'm not a fan either, but Anne Geddes is making millions off the same thing today.

Geddes seems to do primarily infants, the Victorian thing was of children a lot older. I don't know much about it though, just that Lewis Carroll's biographers thought he was a pedophile for a long time because of that hobby, until other histories stepped in and clarified that it was pretty popular at the time.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011
CARDIOVORAX BELIVES A POLICEMAN WHO GROPES A WOMAN SHOULD LOSE HIS JOB, AND DO A HUNDRED HOURS OF COMUNITY SERVICE UNDER THE PAIN OF GOING TO PRISON IF HE BREAKS HIS PAROLE


Silver2195 posted:

It's probably due to a difference in culture. In America it's generally understood that tabloids aren't meant to be taken seriously.
Cultural differences, yeah. In many parts of Europe, tabloids come with topless or nude pictures of women on the front page as a matter of course. Gotta rope people into your particular brand of nonsense somehow.

That doesn't keep many of those tabloids from pretending that they are completely serious, reliable news sources, though. BILD says "Hello."

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 23, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


Only because America had the best tabloid of all time:


bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

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little munchkin posted:

Geddes seems to do primarily infants, the Victorian thing was of children a lot older. I don't know much about it though, just that Lewis Carroll's biographers thought he was a pedophile for a long time because of that hobby, until other histories stepped in and clarified that it was pretty popular at the time.

It also made a nutbar claim he was Jack The Ripper. Seriously. People are stupid

A SPECIAL UNICORN
Apr 12, 2006

REALLY FUCKING SPECIAL

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Only because America had the best tabloid of all time:

I remember people thinking this poo poo was real here in the UK.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006



The UK have a really messed up relationship with the media. I remember I was over in England when the Iraq war broke out, and the papers were full of horrible racist 'jokes' openly talking about 'ragheads' and cartoons with leering filthy camel drivers and poo poo. And the tabloids, while being just as stupid and offensive as they were in here Australia, were given a lot more legitimacy and attention. Maybe it's something to do with England having the royals.

Rambling Robot
Sep 13, 2011

The Master's Art is indeed not made for plebeians.


A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Only because America had the best tabloid of all time:




"Actual photos!"


Seems legit enough to me.

Catman Begins
Dec 1, 2004

I am the night.


Corridor posted:

Maybe it's something to do with England having the royals.

Maybe it's because the UK tabloids are run by an Australian

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006


Andy Impey posted:

One of the people from Broadmoor said in an interview when the scandal blew up that it was the opinion of a few of the doctors there that Savile had some sort of deep personality disorder and was possibly a psychopath.

Which raises the question of why he was given the keys to the place...
Maybe because a passing opinion from a few doctors with no real administrative power is unlikely to result in the exclusion of an influential celebrity who brings money and good publicity to the institution.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012


little munchkin posted:

Geddes seems to do primarily infants, the Victorian thing was of children a lot older. I don't know much about it though, just that Lewis Carroll's biographers thought he was a pedophile for a long time because of that hobby, until other histories stepped in and clarified that it was pretty popular at the time.

It's not that clear-cut at all. There were well-known child brothels in London at that time which offered photo sessions to their clientele. Taking a nude photo of a child wasn't a priori evidence of pedophilia, but the fact that non-pedophiles took nude photos of children doesn't mean that any given person who did that couldn't possibly be a pedophile.

I've read a lot about Dodgson, and his attitudes about sex and romance seem to have been idiosyncratic. If I had been Alice Liddell's mother, I would have found his attention to her uncomfortably intense, whatever was behind it. Whether or not he was a pedophile, who can say at this point?

LizzieBorden
Dec 6, 2009

She's hackin' and wackin' and smackin'
She's hackin' and wackin' and smackin'
She's hackin' and wackin' and smackin'
She just hacks, wacks, chopping that meat



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/m...ll-roache-court

The Coronation Street actor Bill Roache has appeared in court charged with two cases of surprise sex of a 15-year-old girl.

Roache, 81, who plays the role of Ken Barlow in the ITV soap, is alleged to have attacked the girl in 1967.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Did you do somethin' with your hair?



RazorBunny posted:

This isn't necessarily true. I'm female, and a male student one year younger harassed me for an entire school year in junior high. He stalked me (even off school grounds), verbally harassed me, and touched me inappropriately in the school building and on the bus. I was told that he was just "Being friendly" and that I was "overly sensitive" and then it was dropped.

The ability of people in positions of authority over children to deny the truth of these sorts of situations is staggering, and it isn't necessarily tied to the sex of the victim or the perpetrator.

Man, that sucks. But you're right, it might just be how I feel about it and not how it actually was.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

The Corgiest Teddybear



So this has been bugging me: are there statutes of limitation in the UK? In the states many of these couldn't be brought due to 10- or 15-year SoLs.

Giant Goats
Mar 7, 2010


little munchkin posted:

Geddes seems to do primarily infants, the Victorian thing was of children a lot older. I don't know much about it though, just that Lewis Carroll's biographers thought he was a pedophile for a long time because of that hobby, until other histories stepped in and clarified that it was pretty popular at the time.

At the same time, raping kids was also popular in Victorian England. The age of consent was twelve for most of the period, and yet there are several accounts of brothels getting in trouble for pimping out children even younger than that (commonly as young as seven). The Eliza Armstrong surprise sex case finally saw the age of consent raised - but while activists were aiming for sixteen, the courts would only reluctantly raise it to thirteen.

That's not to say that Lewis Carroll was necessarily a paedo, but given the fact that plenty of child surprise sex was going on and the fact that the porn of the day was blase about it, it isn't ridiculous to think that some of the people taking pictures of naked kids weren't doing it for innocent reasons.

(And before anyone plays the "people hit puberty sooner back then" card, the average age of menarche was later in Victorian England than it is today, and about on par with most of the 20th century.)

Crankit
Feb 7, 2011


Teddybear posted:

So this has been bugging me: are there statutes of limitation in the UK? In the states many of these couldn't be brought due to 10- or 15-year SoLs.

I think this came up before, and yes there is, but the statute of limitations generally only affects civil matters rather than criminal matters. You can read more on the subject here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limitation_Act_1980

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Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009


Teddybear posted:

So this has been bugging me: are there statutes of limitation in the UK? In the states many of these couldn't be brought due to 10- or 15-year SoLs.

There are SoLs for civil law (breach of contract), but not under criminal law. If the Crown Prosecution Service believes there is a realistic chance of successful prosecution and that bringing the case is in the public interest, then a case will go to court. It's very rare to have such a long delay, and only the most serious of crimes will be pursued.

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