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My 2012-13 off-season pipe dream is for the Reds to do whatever-the-hell-I-don't-care with Stubbs and come the gently caress out of nowhere to sign Ichiro.  ps. bring back Ludwick and Broxton tia
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 02:25 |
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why is colletti still the gm of this team. why.CraigK posted:ahahahahahahaha Enjoy that poo poo Dodgers fans godforbid they become so bad you start rooting for them.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 02:42 |
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Giving Scutaro a 3 year deal would be terrible. I'm holding out vain hope for a deal in the 2 yrs/$12 mil range, which would be bad but it's not like the market for MIFs is great this year and I'd rather have Scutaro than more Ryan Theriot. Get the gently caress out, Ryan Theriot. I'm more worried about what kind of offer they'll make to Pagan because I think that's more likely to end in a substantial overpay than a mildly annoying one. Also NedCo's potential status as a Giants sleeper agent is becoming more plausible every year. Grozz Nuy fucked around with this message at Oct 31, 2012 around 05:05 |
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What do you think Pagan gets this offseason? The broken bones posted:why is colletti still the gm of this team. why. Hahahahahaha
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 05:18 |
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Senf posted:What do you think Pagan gets this offseason? I legitimately have no idea, and that's the part that concerns me. There are a lot of CF types but Bourn is the only really premier one and one of the few high-profile position players period, so I don't know how the market will shake out after him.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 05:36 |
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Grozz Nuy posted:I legitimately have no idea, and that's the part that concerns me. There are a lot of CF types but Bourn is the only really premier one and one of the few high-profile position players period, so I don't know how the market will shake out after him. 11 million a year for 3 years
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 05:37 |
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The broken bones posted:why is colletti still the gm of this team. why. Wow, rude  Didn't even realize he was only a Mariner for 3 years.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 06:12 |
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Actually, if the Reds signed Pagan it would make a ton of sense to me. Drew Stubbs has probably earned himself a place in 4th Outfielder Land for the next 8 years.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 06:19 |
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I don't think the Reds would offer the years Pagan will get because CF is Billy Hamilton Land now.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 07:06 |
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How much does signaling that you're willing to overpay a guy if he performs in a critical year help with FA? I mean, does the Huff absurdity and the (seemingly-in-the-stars) Scutaro absurdity bring any return on investment for other edge-case players to sign with SF in the future because they hope to get the same kind of deal?
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 07:21 |
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TildeATH posted:How much does signaling that you're willing to overpay a guy if he performs in a critical year help with FA? I mean, does the Huff absurdity and the (seemingly-in-the-stars) Scutaro absurdity bring any return on investment for other edge-case players to sign with SF in the future because they hope to get the same kind of deal? Probably not, since it's not like "perform well -> good contract" is something specific to SF and making your contract plans dependent on a WS win is a dumb idea.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 08:05 |
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Seems to me like Peavy left a lot of money to re-up for 2 years in chicago, dude probably could of got 4 years out of someone. Guess he likes it there. I think the Brewers will sign Loshe if they dont spend crazy money on Josh Hamilton. Gonna try that lovely old cardinal pitching well one more time. If the Brewers do sign Hamilton they are gonna be a scary offense, probably enough to be the fav in the central.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:11 |
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Politicalrancor posted:11 million a year for 3 years At least 10 million a year for Pagan with a multi-year deal sounds right to me and it's what I've read elsewhere. I wouldn't hate the Cubs signing Pagan. I think there's less risk involved with him than Upton, just because I'm worried Upton's decreasing walk rate and increasing strike-out rate were pretty scary last season. The problem the Cubs face is that it doesn't make sense for them to commit more than a couple seasons to any free agent but they have a chasm of production in center to fill. tadashi fucked around with this message at Oct 31, 2012 around 14:24 |
| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:20 |
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Scob posted:
While Hamilton's good enough to make room for himself anywhere he plays, I don't see the Brewers as a particularly good fit. They've already got Carlos Gomez in CF and while I know he's just Carlos Gomez, his bat plays just fine in CF and his defense prevents Braun and Hart from being complete disasters (unless Hart stays at 1b, I guess). Unless you want to put Hamiltion in right, in which case you've got an excellent 4th OFer in Aoki and a lightly used Mat Gamel waiting to do...something.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:31 |
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Groucho Marxist posted:I don't think the Reds would offer the years Pagan will get because CF is Billy Hamilton Land now. Yeah the Reds are probably looking for a one year contract guy (who will suck) or a CF guy whose bat can move over to LF in 2014 (who will be really expensive, if this player even exists). They really might just run Stubbs out there again and accept the fact that you are swallowing a .300 OBP black hole in exchange for inexpensive plus defense in a key position.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:34 |
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tadashi posted:At least 10 million a year for Pagan with a multi-year deal sounds right to me and it's what I've read elsewhere. I wouldn't hate the Cubs signing Pagan. I think there's less risk involved with him than Upton, just because I'm worried Upton's decreasing walk rate and increasing strike-out rate were pretty scary last season. The problem the Cubs face is that it doesn't make sense for them to commit more than a couple seasons to any free agent but they have a chasm of production in center to fill. Unless you've got a prospect at CF pounding on the door go ahead and sign Pagan to a long term deal if that gets it done. The best way for the Cubs to not be competitve in the near term is to assume that it's the case.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:39 |
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FairGame posted:While Hamilton's good enough to make room for himself anywhere he plays, I don't see the Brewers as a particularly good fit. They've already got Carlos Gomez in CF and while I know he's just Carlos Gomez, his bat plays just fine in CF and his defense prevents Braun and Hart from being complete disasters (unless Hart stays at 1b, I guess). Although, I'm kind of wary of investing big bucks in Hamilton long term as it is.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:46 |
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tadashi posted:At least 10 million a year for Pagan with a multi-year deal sounds right to me and it's what I've read elsewhere. I wouldn't hate the Cubs signing Pagan. I think there's less risk involved with him than Upton, just because I'm worried Upton's decreasing walk rate and increasing strike-out rate were pretty scary last season. The problem the Cubs face is that it doesn't make sense for them to commit more than a couple seasons to any free agent but they have a chasm of production in center to fill. I really hope the only Upton the Cubs are tracking is Justin. BJ flies against everything the new FO has said.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:57 |
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Abel Wingnut posted:I really hope the only Upton the Cubs are tracking is Justin. BJ really doesn't help at all. I'll take them both. I think BJ is worth taking a shot on, though I definitely want Justin more and would even deal Baez for him if we could work out a long-term contract.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 14:59 |
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Goetta posted:Yeah the Reds are probably looking for a one year contract guy (who will suck) or a CF guy whose bat can move over to LF in 2014 (who will be really expensive, if this player even exists). Josh Hamilton  Seriously though, unless the Reds go kookoo bananas, they're probably just going to re-sign their guys and stand pat. Until Ichiro is signed, I'm just going to pretend that my visions of him patrolling centerfield at GABP for a year before handing the reigns over to Billy Hamilton contain even one iota of plausibility.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:00 |
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factorialite posted:I'll take them both. I think BJ is worth taking a shot on, though I definitely want Justin more and would even deal Baez for him if we could work out a long-term contract. I just think any amount of money given to BJ would be better spent acquiring younger potential. Hell, it'd be better spent buying out Soriano and saving a few million long-term. I'm not sure where I'm at with Baez. But for Justin, I'd probably agree with you, though I'd rather base a deal around Castro + Garza. And given the Diamondbacks' recent trades, I don't think that's out of the question.
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Abel Wingnut posted:I just think any amount of money given to BJ would be better spent acquiring younger potential. Hell, it'd be better spent buying out Soriano and saving a few million long-term. The problem for the Cubs is they're not going to land Justin with just Baez and, after their top three hitting prospects, things get really slim and they have a lot of holes to fill/lots of upgrades to acquire before they're competitive again.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:11 |
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FairGame posted:While Hamilton's good enough to make room for himself anywhere he plays, I don't see the Brewers as a particularly good fit. They've already got Carlos Gomez in CF and while I know he's just Carlos Gomez, his bat plays just fine in CF and his defense prevents Braun and Hart from being complete disasters (unless Hart stays at 1b, I guess). Yeah im pretty sure anyone who signs Hamilton is looking at him as a corner of for most of his starts and you put Hart as the 1b, although it seems like I remember him complaining about playing 1b I could be wrong on that, but I dont think anyone thinks Gamel will be more productive in any form then Hart.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:16 |
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Ned is actually a secret genius, locking in a mediocre reliever to fill a relatively unimportant position so that Mattingly is free to use the good bullpen arms in high leverage situations. Well done.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:37 |
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Soriano is opting out of his 14m contract with the Yankees. What.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:37 |
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Harlock posted:Soriano is opting out of his 14m contract with the Yankees. What. What in the world
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:39 |
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Mornacale posted:Probably not, since it's not like "perform well -> good contract" is something specific to SF and making your contract plans dependent on a WS win is a dumb idea. Right, I was meaning more the general "sentimentality" of management, rather than WS specifically, but expressed so publicly when it came to things like this. I figure it's not a big deal, but I always wondered about little things like this affecting FAs.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 15:41 |
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Harlock posted:Soriano is opting out of his 14m contract with the Yankees. What. This isn't surprising, the Tigers need a closer!
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:02 |
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Gimme the sweet, sweet draft pick.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:04 |
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If I understand correctly Soriano gets 1.5 million despite opting out, then if he accepted the Yankees draft pick compensation offer he'd probably end up actually getting a slight raise. As that would be hilarious, it's what I'm rooting for.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:08 |
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I doubt Soriano would accept the offer since Rivera seems likely to come back and he'd return to be a setup dude instead of THE CLOSER.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:29 |
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Not to mention he only would have 7 days to accept, giving up an entire offseason of free agency for 800k doesn't seem like Boras to me. Though it would be funny if it was just some game theory move by Scott Boras to pinch 800 thousand pennies,.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:40 |
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Yeah I do not expect it to happen at all, just that it would be great if it did
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:46 |
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Someone please make a comic series where a 'super agent' goes around pulling incredibly minor moves like this while declaring ultimate victory tia
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 16:50 |
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Harlock posted:Soriano is opting out of his 14m contract with the Yankees. What. seiferguy posted:What in the world It's been known this was going to happen for at least a month. He'll get another multi-year deal by opting out.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 17:34 |
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Harlock posted:Soriano is opting out of his 14m contract with the Yankees. What. If Brandon League is getting 3/22, Soriano probably just had a case of $-eyes.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 17:35 |
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Mark Reynolds option declined, but is still arb eligible.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 17:39 |
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Soria's option declined, Moore is a dum dum if there isn't a multi year deal about to be announced.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2012 18:14 |
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MassaShowtime posted:Soria's option declined, Moore is a dum dum if there isn't a multi year deal about to be announced. Honestly the money they were going to spend on him would be much better spent on even a slightly below average starter. I think he was due $8 million this year
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I agree with that, but he has value as a trade chip.
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