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Caged
May 21, 2004


Or just don't read The Verge

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WastedJoker
Oct 29, 2011

Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shoulders... burning with the fires of Orc.


I'm very happy with Windows 8 but I am super excited about 50/50 Snap Views.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

Caged posted:

Or just don't read The Verge

I can't remember if The Verge started the trend before or after, but a lot of the confusion started from a comment from Tami Reller that stated that they would SKUs and costs later which just accelerated the rumors. But on the other hand, as Paul Thurrott has said several times over, he knows where they are getting their info, and they post every single bit of it as an exclusive even if it doesn't make sense. The general rule of thumb I follow is if it's a sensational title consider it linkbait until someone the company actually confirms it.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

The SKU's bit is probably true. I would expect that when 8.1 goes gold they will sell it directly, and that could potentially be a new SKU. And from an internal/corporate perspective there probably is a price tag on it, it's just that the price tag is equal to the 8.0 price tag and then 8.0 isn't available for licensing or OEM sales any more. It's just a matter of understanding that for end users who own Windows 8 already, there's no additional cost.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007




What would cause something like this?

Explorer.exe won't open anymore. I can make programs open and still access those I already have open by just going to the Start Screen and messing around in there to open the program I have open.

I can go to Task Manager from there and open programs too. It shows that Windows Explorer isn't running so when I TRY to run it by running explorer.exe, it opens up a Windows Explorer window...and doesn't bother to restart into normal desktop mode.

A reboot fixes this, but the problem has happened constantly and it's never happened on any previous version of Windows.

Is there a way to start completely from scratch with 8 and not upgrade all the time? Upgrading (from 7 to 8) has clearly broken something...

Hogburto
Sep 26, 2005

BASELESS ACCUSATIONS

ThermoPhysical posted:

Is there a way to start completely from scratch with 8 and not upgrade all the time? Upgrading (from 7 to 8) has clearly broken something...
I don't know why you would be unable to restart explorer.exe as shell. Does the shell string at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon simply say explorer.exe? I don't know why userinit would be able to start explorer.exe as shell, but not you. Right-click it and see if the Digital Signatures seem fine. Maybe a shell extension is interfering. Or it's just something from your Windows 7 install coming to haunt you.
You might as well install clean, anyway, if you're already open to the idea.

I installed clean from my Windows 8 "upgrade" disc. It worked fine. Just click "advanced" early on and format your Windows drive/partition from within your bootable Windows 8 install media, then continue with the install. Some checklist steps I jotted down for before reinstalling Windows:

Hogburto fucked around with this message at May 15, 2013 around 02:15

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007


Hogburto posted:

I don't know why you would be unable to restart explorer.exe as shell. Does the shell string at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon simply say explorer.exe? I don't know why userinit would be able to start explorer.exe as shell, but not you. Right-click it and see if the Digital Signatures seem fine. Maybe a shell extension is interfering. Or it's just something from your Windows 7 install coming to haunt you.
You might as well install clean, anyway, if you're already open to the idea.

I installed clean from my Windows 8 "upgrade" disc. It worked fine. Just click "advanced" early on and format your Windows drive/partition from within your bootable Windows 8 install media, then continue with the install. Some checklist steps I jotted down for before reinstalling Windows:

It somehow fixed itself, but I'll definitely save these instructions for later since it's happened more than once.

Thanks!

ThermoPhysical fucked around with this message at May 15, 2013 around 02:38

WastedJoker
Oct 29, 2011

Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shoulders... burning with the fires of Orc.


If anyone has issues with the latest round of Windows updates failing, I found that installing them individually one at a time works.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

LmaoTheKid posted:

Hopefully the rumors of allowing desktop users to avoid the metro interface are true.

Nothing so far in the leaked builds indicates that is the case at all - so far.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

ThermoPhysical posted:

Is there a way to start completely from scratch with 8 and not upgrade all the time? Upgrading (from 7 to 8) has clearly broken something...

You can run the built in Reset functionality to do this. It's in PC Settings -> General at the bottom (or start search settings: Win+W, "reset")

Molten Llama
Sep 20, 2006


WastedJoker posted:

If anyone has issues with the latest round of Windows updates failing, I found that installing them individually one at a time works.

Having another go at it may also work. Most applied for me, a few failed and were rolled back, and the stragglers went without a hitch on a second try.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys

Does all of the regular Desktop startup stuff get accomplished if you haven't launched Desktop yet? Making is there isn't a time lag for having a fully ready desktop if you power on and leave it at the start menu versus making sure you launch desktop as soon as you can and walk away while it does all its nebulous things.

If Desktop is as quickly ready without being launched yet I'd agree that a straight to desktop mode isn't really necessary.

beejay
Apr 7, 2002



Yes, it all loads up even when the start menu is up. Additionally, if you click an icon on the start menu for a desktop application, it opens as fast as going to the desktop and then clicking the desktop shortcut or pinned shortcut etc. Actually faster, since it's one click instead of two.

Edit: I can see an argument either way, that it should start on the desktop or start on the start menu. I personally have not had any problems with it, considering I can click any application or the desktop button, and having the start menu come up first is nice so I can get a glance at the weather and mail widgets before moving along if I want to.

beejay fucked around with this message at May 15, 2013 around 17:00

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys

Yeah, if that's the case I don't care. You're right that the Start Screen gets its best use by being visible for an at a glance status of your world so starting there is not a bad idea. And if it's just one click but no real time lost to get to desktop that's kind of meaningless.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

the sea was angry that day, my friends


This may be a stupid question, but where do I find Media Center?

I have Windows 8 Pro with Media Center. It says so when I view my system properties in Control Panel. I got Media Center for free with the promotion that was running before a certain date at the end of last year. I think I've used it once before, but I never really had a reason to use it again until now. I've searched for it and I can't seem to find it on my computer. Googling this seems to just give me instructions on how to buy it.

I also went to Turn Windows Features On Or Off and it's checked off as being installed on that menu.

Rageaholic Monkey fucked around with this message at May 19, 2013 around 05:16

Xenoletum
Jul 7, 2009

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It's under "Windows Accessories" in the All Apps section. Alternatively, press start and type "media center". If that doesn't work then it's in C:\Windows\ehome\ with the file name ehshell.exe.

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Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

the sea was angry that day, my friends


Xenoletum posted:

it's in C:\Windows\ehome\ with the file name ehshell.exe.

Ah, and there it is indeed! Thanks

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