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ufarn
May 30, 2009


keyframe posted:

How do I set it up so when I click on a link from a metro app it opens up on the desktop version of my browser (chrome) instead of the metro version?


More info here.

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ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007


Anyone have problems with the whole OS locking up randomly and requiring a hard reboot?

jkyuusai
Jun 26, 2008

homegrown man milk


ThermoPhysical posted:

Anyone have problems with the whole OS locking up randomly and requiring a hard reboot?

Once so far. Happened yesterday. It froze as it presented a dialog informing me it couldn't locate a file (that was on a disk that had been present on a previous boot but was disconnected at that time - indexed file in the Library I think).

Lurking291230
Oct 17, 2012


ThermoPhysical posted:

Anyone have problems with the whole OS locking up randomly and requiring a hard reboot?

Maybe your CPU is overheating?

Or it could be bad ram, a bad hard drive (or a missing hard drive), or a bad video card.

These days it's usually more of a hardware problem than a software problem.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007


jkyuusai posted:

Once so far. Happened yesterday. It froze as it presented a dialog informing me it couldn't locate a file (that was on a disk that had been present on a previous boot but was disconnected at that time - indexed file in the Library I think).

My lock-up didn't even have a dialog. It just kind of stopped.

Lurking291230 posted:

Maybe your CPU is overheating?

Or it could be bad ram, a bad hard drive (or a missing hard drive), or a bad video card.

These days it's usually more of a hardware problem than a software problem.

I seriously hope it's software. Or at least bad RAM. I can't afford another HDD or video card purchase.

Nor do I have enough time to do a MemTest thing...

Are the Windows error logs still accessible in the normal ways in Windows 8?

jkyuusai
Jun 26, 2008

homegrown man milk


ThermoPhysical posted:

Are the Windows error logs still accessible in the normal ways in Windows 8?

If you mean through Event Viewer, then yeah, that's all still there - looks pretty much the same as it did in 7.

Disappointing Pie
Feb 7, 2006
Words cannot describe what a disaster the pie was.

Kind of crazy question but since W8 is optimal with a touch device and I don't have one on my desktop, would it be possible to use one of my old iPhones/iPod touches or Android devices laying around as a touchpad?

dissss
Nov 10, 2007


Disappointing Pie posted:

Kind of crazy question but since W8 is optimal with a touch device and I don't have one on my desktop, would it be possible to use one of my old iPhones/iPod touches or Android devices laying around as a touchpad?

You can use an app like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t.android&hl=en I've found that its fairly laggy though (communicating over wifi), and you don't get any gesture support.

Also I'm not sure W8 really is optimal with a touch device, works just as well with a normal mouse

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

CLAM DOWN EVERYONE!!!!

keyframe posted:

How do I set it up so when I click on a link from a metro app it opens up on the desktop version of my browser (chrome) instead of the metro version?

I'm wondering that too, that link posted only applied to IE and the GP settings for IE, not Chrome.

coolskillrex remix
Jan 1, 2007

gorsh

coolskillrex remix posted:

They are definitely not empty.

Also i did check disk management and device manager and both dont see it.

Im an idiot though and chances are its due to me not actually installing the mobo cd drivers!

Fixed with mobo drivers.

Now im hosed on another issue and every time i wake the computer up or reboot the computer it drops my usb audio interface (essentially a usb soundcard)... i turned off "usb selective suspends" hoping it would fix it and it doesnt. Only way to fix it right now is to unplug the audio interface then plug it back in.

edit: Happened again when i plugged in a usb thumbstick, no idea whats going on. No USB drivers for mobo that i can install to fix this. Basically makes the computer unusable.

coolskillrex remix fucked around with this message at Nov 6, 2012 around 06:38

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


Does anyone know how the global spellcheck is supposed to work? It doesn't seem to activate in any of the apps for me even though its turned on in settings.

I do have a custom keyboard layout but my computer language is set to British English so I don't think that should be a problem.

Rawrbomb
Mar 11, 2011

rawrrrrr

Sri.Theo posted:

Does anyone know how the global spellcheck is supposed to work? It doesn't seem to activate in any of the apps for me even though its turned on in settings.

I do have a custom keyboard layout but my computer language is set to British English so I don't think that should be a problem.

I believe it only works in html5 apps being powered by the IE10 engine. Since spell check only works in the browser in Win8.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


Rawrbomb posted:

I believe it only works in html5 apps being powered by the IE10 engine. Since spell check only works in the browser in Win8.

So that means no spell check in Skype, messenger, people or even email! That sucks quite a lot.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Having a bit of weirdness with Windows 8 again.

I have a box that doubles as a web surfing/etc box and also performs some light HTPC duties. It's plugged into both an HDTV via an HDMI cable and a monitor via DVI. In Windows 7 I just ran a script that called displayswitch to switch to the HDTV and launched XBMC, it worked just fine.

In Windows 8 for some reason that I cannot figure out, it will launch XBMC but only in the background. Any foreground Windows open will just stay there. I bound a button on the remote to alt tab but that's kind of hacky and I want to figure out what the hell is causing this. Is there any way to force it open maximized? I'm using Eventghost with a few commands to find the window and bring it to the foreground but even that doesn't work sometimes. I think it must have something to do with the way Windows (mis)identifies a display as internal or external but I really have no clue.

I tried using a cmd script but Windows 8 seems to ignore all "hide the console window" flags so it just sits open in the foreground.

Ought Six
Oct 2, 2011

Aqui no hay primavera de Praga, es la primavera de Chile.

Clueless about Windows 8 here. Is there a way to make it startup sporting the "classic", Windows 7ish interface, instead of that smartphonish UI?

Weird Uncle Dave
Sep 2, 2003

I could do this all day.

Ought Six posted:

Clueless about Windows 8 here. Is there a way to make it startup sporting the "classic", Windows 7ish interface, instead of that smartphonish UI?

Classic Shell has an option to immediately jump to the desktop; other Start button replacements may have something similar. There's nothing built into Win8 that does this.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Ought Six posted:

Clueless about Windows 8 here. Is there a way to make it startup sporting the "classic", Windows 7ish interface, instead of that smartphonish UI?

Classic Shell - free

Start 8 - paid (imho the best one)

Start is Back - currently free in beta, I haven't tried this one yet.

If you just want to boot straight to the desktop then you can do that using a bit of trickery someone posted on the last page or two involving creating an empty task in task scheduler that runs at startup and logs in to the desktop.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004

Let's maintain dazzling beer indefinitely.



On the off-chance that this is important to anyone else, Classic Shell also installs via Ninite.

RVProfootballer
Apr 30, 2012

Greatest and Best Ever

My original install of Windows 8 would automatically move jump the cursor to the Charms bar when I swiped the trackpad to open it. I reinstalled Windows and now it doesn't do that: the Charms bar opens but the cursor stays put. Is there a setting somewhere to get the original behavior back?

RVProfootballer fucked around with this message at Nov 6, 2012 around 19:08

tsundair
Nov 3, 2012


I upgraded this morning, and while I'm liking the OS so far, I have to say that the apps are pretty bad. I went to try out the Metro Evernote app, and found out I couldn't even edit my old notes! Boo. At least we still have the desktop version.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



The Gunslinger posted:

Classic Shell - free

Start 8 - paid (imho the best one)

Start is Back - currently free in beta, I haven't tried this one yet.

For me StartIsBack is so-far the best one but they all serve slightly different niches.

StartIsBack hooks into actual Windows 7 start menu code that Microsoft left inside explorer.exe in order to support jump lists. It also has an option to remove everything but Metro apps from Metro turning it into basically a replacement for sidebar gadgets. You get little touches like the app you've just installed automatically appearing in the recent programs area which is lacking in Start8.

The author claims that this start menu code is unlikely to be removed in a future service pack as it is needed for Jump Lists, though he does admit to using undocumented function calls so it's not 100% guaranteed.

Start8 is an attempt to recreate the Win7 start menu, it's pretty decent though doesn't feel quite as smooth as StartIsBack, you also get a brief flash of Metro after logging in which Start8 does not have.

Start8 also has a thing to open the full Metro UI in the bottom left of the screen in place of the start menu, letting you have the full Metro experience without the jarring switch between the two modes of operation that the default Metro setup has. This may appeal to those of you who want to take small steps into Metro-land.

I've not tried Classic Shell, but my understanding is that it recreates the Windows XP start menu, so if this is your preferred start menu, you want this one.

Galler posted:

It has the XP/Vista/7 start menus in both single and dual pane. Just about everything related to the start menu is configurable as well.

There's also a free replacement called ViStart, originally written for XP users wanting to emulate Vista. It's lovely and contains adware that must be manually removed. Don't bother with it.

Lum fucked around with this message at Nov 7, 2012 around 01:48

Droid Washington
Jul 26, 2007

Laser eyes are second only to the Robo-Constitution in importance; they are the robots' liberty's teeth.

tsundair posted:

I upgraded this morning, and while I'm liking the OS so far, I have to say that the apps are pretty bad. I went to try out the Metro Evernote app, and found out I couldn't even edit my old notes! Boo. At least we still have the desktop version.

I've noticed this trend. Overall I think the OS is pretty nice, but almost every single app I use has reduced functionality compared to a desktop or web version of the same app. Because of this I end up using no metro apps.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

CLAM DOWN EVERYONE!!!!

The only Metro app I've used at all is the Netflix one, way better than the browser.

The double Chrome issue is the only part of Windows 8 really annoying me so far, not sure why they split it into 2 sets of user/profile data like that (one for metro one for desktop). I'll be happy once links auto open in the desktop Chrome rather than the Metro one, or they combine the two which is probably preferable.

Konjuro
Nov 12, 2008

The infants must die.


The only problem I have with start8 is if you have a program installed to a different drive, and that drive has turned off for power saving, you have to wait for it to spin-up before start8 will populate the list. I've gotten around this by installing the programs on my main drive, and sym linking them to the actual program files on the second disc.

Also for anyone looking for a touch pad or something to use with Windows 8 the Microsoft Touch mouse has been updated to support Windows 8 gestures.

FuSchnick
Jun 6, 2001

Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived...

I finally figured out how OblyTile works, and it seems like a terrible hack. Is it really that complicated to make custom start tiles?

OblyTile is basically doing this:
1) Make a subdir under program files\OblyTile called 0000001 (increments every time you make a new one).
2) In that folder, they make an Images folder with the two pictures you chose, and a resources.pri file which defines program resources (most of which are unused, but it includes your pictures as the start menu picture resources).
3) Then they make a VBS script that figures out the working directory (based on simple path parsing) and runs the executable path you gave it.
4) Puts a .lnk file into your Start Menu directory pointing to that VBS file.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Konjuro posted:

The only problem I have with start8 is if you have a program installed to a different drive, and that drive has turned off for power saving, you have to wait for it to spin-up before start8 will populate the list. I've gotten around this by installing the programs on my main drive, and sym linking them to the actual program files on the second disc.

So far I only have Win8 installed on my laptop so that's not been an issue.

I guess you need to post in his thread on MSFN and ask him to re-create the Win7 icon caching?

Galler
Jan 27, 2008

AJs with an Iron Fist.


Lum posted:

I've not tried Classic Shell, but my understanding is that it recreates the Windows XP start menu, so if this is your preferred start menu, you want this one.

It has the XP/Vista/7 start menus in both single and dual pane. Just about everything related to the start menu is configurable as well.

Rawrbomb
Mar 11, 2011

rawrrrrr

Sri.Theo posted:

So that means no spell check in Skype, messenger, people or even email! That sucks quite a lot.

I've actually been digging and trying to find out how to even access the dictionary. I'd love to know if someone found out how for IE10.

During RP I put a word into it I didn't mean to, kinda messed things up for a bit.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


Well, I'm excited about this: StartIsBack just hit RC and has pricing information now.

$3 for two PC license.
$5 for five PC license.

StartIsBack does a few things:

- Puts the "real" Start Menu back (based on embedded resources in Windows 8 system files). This isn't a 3rd-party re-creation of the Start Menu, this is the real Windows 7 Start Menu.
- Changes the new Start Screen into mostly just a quick apps interface (like the Launcher on Mac OS X) that you can quickly get to with Ctrl+WinKey or middle-clicking the Start button.
- Tweaks some of the new "Modern UI" Desktop features. Toggle the top of the screen "drag down to close", the top-left hot corner that lists running apps, etc.

It's definitely worth taking a look at, especially if you want a normal Desktop again.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

Hell, I could
tell you some
stories...


Cuttlefish Party posted:

Also, a tip! Want to add an "All Programs" menu to your desktop toolbar without installing Classic Shell or Start8?

1. Navigate to desktop (e.g. Win + D).
2. Right click the toolbar, select Toolbars --> New toolbar . . .
3. In the "Folder" field, enter "%ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs" and click Select Folder.

Presto, on the right side of your toolbar is a little ">>" icon that will show all installed desktop programs.

Quoting this because it works perfectly.

mim
Apr 25, 2010



Flagrama posted:

Is it possible to boot release Windows 8 using a VHD from Win7's bootloader? I seem to remember something like that for the preview versions of 8.

Yes, just follow this http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-...ndows-7-pc/4847

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

CLAM DOWN EVERYONE!!!!

Konjuro posted:

The only problem I have with start8 is if you have a program installed to a different drive, and that drive has turned off for power saving, you have to wait for it to spin-up before start8 will populate the list. I've gotten around this by installing the programs on my main drive, and sym linking them to the actual program files on the second disc.

Also for anyone looking for a touch pad or something to use with Windows 8 the Microsoft Touch mouse has been updated to support Windows 8 gestures.

Did go to the advanced power options and disable the hard drive sleep? It's still there at 20 minutes even if you change to High Performance power plan, I had to set it to 0/never manually:



(this is assuming you're on a desktop and don't care about saving battery life)

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


CLAM DOWN posted:

Did go to the advanced power options and disable the hard drive sleep? It's still there at 20 minutes even if you change to High Performance power plan, I had to set it to 0/never manually:



(this is assuming you're on a desktop and don't care about saving battery life)

Well holy crap you are my hero I was trying to figure out why my secondary drive would sometimes not immediately respond when I tried to access it.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

CLAM DOWN EVERYONE!!!!

Chasiubao posted:

Well holy crap you are my hero I was trying to figure out why my secondary drive would sometimes not immediately respond when I tried to access it.

Yeah, took me a while to figure out because I changed to "never turn hard disks off" but they still were I ended up checking advanced options and turns out they were still set to turn off! Must be a bug or something.

Konjuro
Nov 12, 2008

The infants must die.


CLAM DOWN posted:

Did go to the advanced power options and disable the hard drive sleep? It's still there at 20 minutes even if you change to High Performance power plan, I had to set it to 0/never manually:



(this is assuming you're on a desktop and don't care about saving battery life)

Thanks, didn't really think of that. The only program that was causing the hang-up was Steam, which I just discovered actually lets you install to multiple directories now anyway. (might be a beta-only feature)

The spin-up time never actually bothered me, apart from the thing with start8. Is there any disadvantages to leaving the harddrive on continuously on a desktop? I had always assumed turning off a drive that spent most of the day inactive anyway also prolonged the life of said drive.

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


Anyone else get stuck on the blue windows logo when booting setup from a USB stick?

Mr Gnang
Jan 28, 2009


c0burn posted:

Anyone else get stuck on the blue windows logo when booting setup from a USB stick?

This happened to me, but I was worried it has frozen but left it and it eventually loaded fine. It did take a lot longer than I expected with no onscreen indication it was loading though!

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


Mr Gnang posted:

This happened to me, but I was worried it has frozen but left it and it eventually loaded fine. It did take a lot longer than I expected with no onscreen indication it was loading though!

Yeah, I left it long enough and it loaded. Stupid to not have any indication.

The Deadly Hume
May 26, 2004

I want some of that pepper steak!


Since they've taken the options out of the appearance settings, there's no doohickey that lets you change the fonts (not just the size, but the actual font) on window titles, menus, icons, that sort of thing yet? I realise you can probably muck around in RegEdit to do that but something a bit more elegant would be good.

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D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009


I just finished installing one or more updates, and now I'm stuck looking at a Windows 8 Metro Welcome screen because I can't access safemode (I can't press shift-F8 fast enough?) and don't know what to do. I don't even know what update Micosoft Update installed so I can't tell if it's related to Start8 or not.
I should mention that the clock on the welcome screen ticks on just fine so I know it's not stuck - it's just not accepting any keyboard or mouse inputs to let me get to the login screen (though it does shut down like it should when I press the power button).

I'm at a complete loss and have no idea what to do, as I don't have a optical drive for my workstation (who uses optical discs nowadays?) and my USB key is broken.

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at Nov 7, 2012 around 14:49

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