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 Welcome to the Retro Gaming Discussion Thread! The official IRC channel: irc.synirc.net #retrochat The official emoticon of the SA Retro Gaming Discussion Thread is :retrogames:  Old thread: (thanks, Wazabi!) http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...&pagenumber=457 The current Wiki (thanks, Saoshyant!): http://www.retrogooning.com What constitutes retro gaming? Anything your gentle goon heart desires! There is some debate as to what constitutes the “retro” in retro gaming. Imagine a hip hop music aficionado hearing someone say Puff Daddy is “old school”. Or imagine a movie buff hearing someone say Jurassic Park is their favorite classic film. They’d sperg out, but it really is up to the person themselves. The general consensus around here seems to be that retro gaming could mean:
Since there aren’t many Gamecube or Xbox1 threads around here (there are none), any of the above are free for discussion, though most goons here are focusing on the NES, SNES, Genesis/Megadrive, Game Boy, PC Engine/TG-16 and Master System. If it’s old, it’s cool! I’m into some pretty obscure consoles, you probably haven’t heard of them Why waste my money on all this? I can buy a $200 HTPC and emulate most of these systems! Well, because  You can't emulate Castlevania-forged friendship or juice. (Thanks, Tobaccrow). Seriously though, if you are happy with emulation, go for it. I tried to fool myself for years that emulation was just fine. It’s not. I need the original controllers, the original console, the whole deal. And it’s not entirely nostalgia. Almost no emulators (with the exception of the Wii’s Virtual Console) output games at their proper resolution. This causes games to have a “flickering” effect around the edges of the sprites. If it doesn’t flicker, it’s usually because a horrible blurring filter is put on the image. Also, some consoles aren’t exactly emulated perfectly. You’d be surprised at how inaccurate the Super Nintendo emulators are for sound. Finally, it’s the aesthetic as well. If you have some friends over, who is going to look at your HTPC and say “hey, load up some ROMs and let’s play Anticipation on the NES!” Won’t happen. But have them step one foot in your goony hovel full of retro consoles and you will instantly be met with “hey, put that cartridge in and let’s play Anticipation on the NES!” That’s cool, but what about those really expensive games? I’m not paying $150 for a cart-only of Earthbound. That’s fine. For games that are impossible to find, games that are ridiculously expensive, games that never made it to your country of choice, etc., there are flashcarts for virtually every cart-based console now. Yes, just like that mischievous DS cart you had that housed a microSD card, similar carts are being released for retro consoles. The currently recommended ones are as follows: Goon-recommended flashcarts (and backup methods) Nintendo (NES/Famicom):  The Everdrive N8, available here: http://shop.retrogate.com/ and http://www.stoneagegamer.com/ Super Nintendo (SNES/Super Famicom):  The SD2SNES. It is very difficult to find because it sells out as soon as it comes in stock. Two resellers are very reputable: http://www.stoneagegamer.com and http://shop.retrogate.com. The former gives you a wonderful looking shell to house the PCB in, the latter is a bit cheaper with no shell. I personally just gut a Super Mario World cart because I like having a real game stick out of the system, plus again, it’s a lot cheaper. This particular cart is so expensive because it has tons of hardware added to it and a dedicated team working on it. There are already ports of CD-based games, such as Super Road Blaster. download Super Road Blaster for the SNES here . They are even working on implementing the Satellaview (the SNES online system only available in Japan in the 90s) right into the cart for online SNES play. Seriously, it’s expensive, but get this SNES flashcart over all others no matter how long it takes you to find it. Genesis/Megadrive:  Your options are two different carts; both great, and both made by Krikzz. There’s the Everdrive MD, which will play Genesis, Master System, and 32x games on your Genesis (you need the 32x to play 32x games, and you must remove the 32x to play Master System games due to a pin that is missing in the 32x that tells the Genesis to “activate” Master System mode). The Mega Everdrive is much more expensive, but can act as a save cart for the Sega CD (something that is normally pretty expensive on its own). It also loads games quicker and does save states. Both available here: http://shop.retrogate.com/ Sega Saturn: There’s no “drive emulator”/flashcart for the Sega Saturn, but you can play backups pretty easily. Believe it or not, the system does have copy protection even though I didn’t know CD-Rs existed back then. I find this to be morally acceptable since the system is so old, and there’s $400 games like Panzer Dragoon Saga that even Sega lost the source code to, meaning there’s no way to give Sega your money if you wanted to. Make sure your Sega Saturn has “circle” power and reset buttons, and not ovals. This is because the single solitary modchip made for the Saturn is (kind of) only compatible with the “round button” model (aka Model 2). Here, I made a nifty guide:  (some people might have slightly different internals on their model 2 Saturn and this guide is for them (thanks Captain Hilarious!) You’ll want to hit up RacketBoy for the Sega Saturn modchip: http://www.racketboy.com/store/sega...rn-modchip.html While you’re there, you’ll also want to pick up one of these:  This is a cart that plugs into the back of your Saturn and will give your Saturn the extra RAM it needs for certain games (sort of like the N64 expansion pak) and will allow you to save your progress, play games from another region, and so on. Game Gear, Master System, Nintendo 64 & TG-16/PC Engine Flashcarts: There aren’t any alternatives for these, so you would need to get ones made by Krikzz.com if you want one. Luckily, all his stuff is great and is highly recommended. All available either at http://shop.retrogate.com/ or http://stoneagegamer.com If you still don’t feel right using a flashcart, and want a “real” version of Secret of Mana 2 for the SNES or Earthbound for the NES, I highly recommend our very own JJJJJS as he makes reproduction carts, and the labels are incredibly high quality (I got a repro from him and I must say the label looks and feels 100% authentic). His site is http://www.lostclassicvgs.com/ He can even program games that you wouldn’t be able to play on a flashcart, like Starfox 2, due to the needed expansion chips. He’s got it all! Others: The SEGA CD has no copy protection. Neither does the 3DO or the CDi. The Jaguar CD also lacks copy protection since its copy protection mechanism is there’s almost no functioning units left on the planet (seriously). This is the revision of the Jaguar you will want to get:  The Sega Dreamcast will play backups of games just fine (as anyone over the age of 13 in 2001 is already aware of). The games are chopped down to fit from a 1GB GD-ROM to a 700MB CD-R, however. Sometimes a little something is lost in the chopping up process, and with the low price of used Dreamcast games, you might as well buy them from eBay. Also, there is a device called the DC to SD that will let you play ISOs or homebrew right from an SD card using your Dreamcast’s useless serial port!  You can order one here: http://dc-sd.com/ Unfortunately, not many games are compatible with this method, but the list is increasing as time goes on! Getting the best video and/or audio from your retro consoles You might be savvy enough to know that s-video is better than composite, but are you a bad enough dude to know there’s more than 2 revisions of the SNES? How about nine.  My mental breakdown in the other thread was not in vein; the revision of certain consoles can make a big difference in your audio or visual experience. This is because as time goes on, the manufacturing process for a console changes, and different parts are used. In Nintendo’s case, they actually improved the SNES over time. In Sega’s case, they made the Genesis worse over time. (For an image quality comparison between the older SNES models and the newer SNES models, here’s a great “rollover image” comparison: http://sd2snes.de/blog/archives/75). To ensure you get the best revision of certain consoles, here is a super-simplistic guide (compared to the fairly hard-to-follow guides that I will link to in case you need it). Super Nintendo: For the SNES, the model 2 (or SNES mini aka Snes Jr. ) gives off superior picture quality, no matter what the serial number is. They all look great. However, they need to be modified to get s-video or RGB working (more on that in a bit). You can find an excellent guide here. It’s not in English but Google translate does a good job of translating it. The only thing I have to say is that I found 75 ohm resistors for the R, G, and B lines suggested in the guide were not strong enough. I highly recommend 150 ohm resistors. Other than that, the guide is perfect. If you insist on using the model 1 of the SNES, your best (and easiest) bet is to go by serial numbers. On the bottom of the SNES, if the serial number begins with UN3….. instead of UN2…. or UN1…. It should be a 1CHIP motherboard (meaning it has better picture quality). Harassing eBayers for the serial number is a start, but you can just keep looking for auctions where they take pictures of every angle of the system. If you see a UN3….. serial number, you’re pretty much guaranteed the coveted “1CHIP” SNES system that gives off superior picture quality. It gets the name “1CHIP” because Nintendo combined the sound chip and audio chip into one chip. However, there’s still the vertical bar issue with the SNES, that some can see and some do not. Here is a great example of it (screen shot courtesy of Sega-16 forums):  Some people can’t see it (I envy them). Some people never see it until I mention it, then they curse my name and my family. Some people genuinely do not have it. I discovered very recently that it is an issue with the encoder the SNES uses. Some people get lucky and do not have it, though from the crazy experimenting I have been doing, way more systems have it than those that do not. Also, the SNES model 2 is less likely to have it, though many of them still do. I already know the incredibly extensive fix for the vertical line, but it requires an insane amount of time and soldering, and I have not perfected it yet, so I will update this OP when it is complete. Sega Genesis This guide is all you need, though it’s incredibly lengthy, so I will break it down for you to make it as simple as possible. If you want the best looking and sounding model 1 Genesis, you will want one that has the words “High Definition Graphics” printed on it. If you want to go super anal-retentive, you can get a model 1 Genesis that does not have the Sega copyright information when you boot it up. People like not having it because of the 2 seconds the system boots up quicker, and because some sort of homebrew stuff will only work with the system without the copyright information. I don’t really see the point in worrying about this; the Genesis flash carts work with any drat Genesis system made. If you really do care, the bottom of the Genesis has an FCC ID. If it is 10 characters long, it probably has the copyright boot up screen (also known as TMSS aka TradeMark Security System). If the FCC ID has 13 characters, it probably does not have the copyright boot up screen. Again, I don’t see the big deal about either one. If for one reason or another you decide you need to have a model 2 Sega Genesis, simply look at the bottom of them and look for the one with the shorter motherboard. The shorter motherboard revision has better sound than other model 2 revisions. Use this guide:  Do not buy the Model 3 Sega Genesis. It isn’t even made by Sega. It doesn’t even fit. Edit (December 14th, 2012): Asbrandt has bestowed us with a useful post on how you can get lucky and get a non-garbage "small motherboard" model 2. His post is here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...4#post410483248 The Nintendo 64 is capable of producing RGB. However, only very early systems are able to do so, and it needs to be modded for it to work. Here is a great image Copper Vein took, that shows what the N64 mod will look like:  This raises the question of what is RGB and why should you care?  Excellent question! To keep it simple, S-Video produces a much better picture than composite because it separates the luma and chroma lines. R, G, B separates things even more, increasing the picture quality further. When your video game system is running, internally it is generating RGB (other than the original NES) which, via the use of an internal encoder, is converted to whatever type of cable you can think of (composite, s-video, etc.). RGB is giving you the purest possible picture from your console. Many people cannot tell the difference between RGB and s-video, because s-video is already so incredibly sharp compared to composite. However, the color reproduction from RGB is superior to s-video.  If you do not have the monetary means or simply do not want to go the RGB route, s-video is available for most consoles, and composite is available for virtually all of them. Here is a great guide on the game systems and their available AV outputs. http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=matrix Oh boy! My TV has these red, green, and blue ports on the back. Does that mean I’m good to go? No. Those are component inputs (or more specifically, YPbPr aka YUV inputs), and if you live in the USA, chances are you aren’t going to be feeding your TV a pure RGB signal. Component is a different “format”, and RGB converts to it (to keep it simple, RGB is converted to YPbPr aka component aka YUV). Most American TVs cannot accept RGB on the component inputs, because RGB is not the component “format”. To combat this, there are several things you can do. Some people may get lucky with only using this device: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-R...=item3362ac0577 I personally had no such luck on my plasma. Others with a similar plasma said it worked for them, so your mileage may vary. Do not let the eBay title fool you as this is not really a “scaler”. A scaler is something that takes your retro console’s tiny image and blows it up to 1080p (or whatever resolution screen you are using). With this device, the image is being scaled by your television, not the device. This isn’t really a bad thing (especially if you are using a tube/CRT television since you wouldn’t want the image to be touched) except most; if not all televisions (no matter how expensive) do a horrible job at “scaling” our retro consoles. This leads us to this baby:  This is the XRGB Mini Framemeister. Don’t waste your time with other scalers. I’ve tried a bunch of them and hated every one of them (the DVDO Edge was pretty decent though). Again, if you are using a CRT/tube television, you do not need a scaler. This is for those of us with flat-screen TVs and are displeased with how retro games look on our TVs. It is available here (reputable retailer): http://www.solarisjapan.com/product...setCurrencyId=1 Yep, the price is insane, but it’s worth it. The image looks pixel-perfect, and has options that go on forever. It takes SCART natively (the cables you will be buying to get RGB from your systems), and outputs over HDMI. The one caveat here, and this is where this whole thing becomes hair-pulling (if it wasn’t already) is that Japan used a different schematic for wiring up their SCART cables from the way Europe wired up their SCART cables. Why? Because gently caress you, that’s why! If the XRGB Mini is too expensive for you, Fudoh has an excellent site that showcases all of your options:http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ Your best bet is to buy all RGB SCART cables for your various systems in the European format. This way you can use easily-found Euro SCART switchers, and can find the cables easily. All you’d need to do is get the XRGB Mini to accept European SCART rather than the Japanese SCART wiring. You can do this by buying this cable from retro_console_accessories who is a wonderful eBay seller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micomsoft-X...=item2ebc39ee6b there’s only 9 available as of this OP so hurry up and order one! Here’s the cables you need for your particular system: SNES: retro_console_accessories sells these on eBay. Here is the current active link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Ninte...=item25730b7f9a Sega Genesis/MegaDrive model 1: Just look for model 1 SCART cables. Again, our favorite eBay seller is still selling them here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-seller-S...=item2576a6a9b1 Sega Master System: use any model 1 Genesis SCART cable! Hooray! Sega Genesis Model 2: Look for model 2 Genesis SCART cables. Available here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-seller-S...=item2eb7dab3b8 Sega 32x: Uses the same cables as the model 2 Genesis. Sweet! Info added 1/10/13: Here is a bit of a write-up by sandpiper who was nice enough to give us info on his Saturn escapade: sandpiper posted:
sandpiper posted:I edited the post. sandpiper posted:I need to do a little disclaimer here, because this seems to happen: NES and RGB: The original NES is quite a special console in that it’s literally physically incapable of producing an RGB or s-video picture. This is because the internal PPU (Picture Processing Unit) is only “programmed”, at best, to give you composite. Luckily, some crafty people figured out that the Nintendo arcade machines known as the Playchoice 10 utilized RGB PPUs (arcade machines use RGB, typically). These PPUs can be removed from the Playchoice 10 motherboard and (very few) VS games, and then plugged into a regular Nintendo Entertainment System. Unfortunately, these Playchoice 10 motherboards and the PPUs themselves are becoming incredibly difficult to come across, especially with this mod becoming more and more popular. The price of these PPUs has literally tripled in only a few months. The expense does not stop there; oh no. You also need to build an amp and all other sorts of fun stuff to get this working. I have to say, though I’ve been able to RGB and optical/digital audio mod an SNES just fine, this mod for the NES is way out of my league. I had a guy in Canada do it for me, and I cannot recommend him enough. He isn’t giving me commission to say this, so you don’t have to even say you got his name from me. He just did an incredible job and is constantly hacking away at consoles, and is passionate about getting the best image from your NES. His e-mail address is the_domo@hotmail.com . His personality might come off a bit brash but just  because he’s like one of four people on the entire Planet Earth that know how to do this mod, and possibly the only English-speaking one who knows how to do it with a special amp that increases picture quality. He’s a good dude and I’d trust mailing him my kidney. I had three (3!) NES systems modded by him (back when PPUs were a mere $100) and although I sold two of them (was going broke) I still wouldn’t trade it for the world. I took a pretty good screenshot representing how the NES looks on ~-My Plasma TV-~ with the mod and without:  click to embiggen Sega Saturn All Sega Saturn systems are capable of RGB and S-video; though you might want to stick with a certain model to be able to install a modchip (see above, under “flashcarts”). Sega Master System: They all output RGB, but the model 1 is the model to get. This one is fairly simple. Just get the original model. It looks like this:  This is because the other models do not support same SMS games that were released on “cards” (similar to TG-16 games). How am I supposed to hook all this stuff up at the same time? While hooking up multiple systems when you are using s-video or composite is pretty easy, doing it over RGB/SCART is a pain. I bought 4 different SCART switches before almost giving up because they all degraded the picture quality very severely. Luckily, at long last, I discovered a company from the UK called Shinybow makes a wonderful SCART switcher that will switch up to 6 systems at once (!) and even has an IR port so you lazy goons don’t even need to get up to switch the system.  What you have to do is contact Shinybow directly and request they import one for you. E-mail sales@shinybowusa.com . Tell them you are interested in model number SB-5525. For US goons, the price is $179.99 + $10 for shipping. I know, I know, , but all other switches gave me a noisy image (and some even added audio buzzing). This one had none of that. For your power-related hook-up issues, you can get the “Strip Liberator” from Amazon:  http://www.amazon.com/Ziotek-ZT1212.../dp/B003YFIRR6/ Further assistance is the “Sega Trio” power supply, available here: http://www.retrogamecave.com/sega-ac_adapter.html No more will you have to worry about having 3 gargantuan power bricks taking up all the room in your power strip. More Retro Gamin’ The TG-16 (aka the PC Engine) is pretty much the only console I do not personally own, but would love to have. Because of this, I am no expert in describing the numerous intricacies that is required in getting most games working, so I will copy and paste Copper Vein’s incredible post on the confusing subject: Copper Vein posted:TL'DR: I smoked a lot of crack and bought a lot of NEC hardware The Famicom Disk System:  The Famicom Disk System was never released in the USA. It is an add-on released for the original Famicom (Japanese version of the NES) and was created due to game-save technology not being viable at the time. For years, it was the only way to play the original Legend of Zelda in Japan. It’s a great addition to your collection as games had save features when their NES versions did not (Metroid, Castlevania, Kid Icarus, etc.) and many games had better music. It is recommended that if you plan to use a Famicom Disk System, that you purchase a model 2 version of the Famicom (shown above) due to the fact that the original Famicom does not have controller ports. The model 2 (known as the AV Famicom in Japan) also has composite outputs, and uses the standard A/V port Nintendo consoles used for years. List of FDS games that are improved over their NES counterparts:
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...(continuation from above post) Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance: In true Nintendo fashion, you have many options when it comes to using one system to play all games released from 1989 to 2006 (fun fact: Final Fantasy VI, aka the Greatest Game of All Time, was the last commercially released game for the Game Boy Advance).  The original Game Boy 1989, the number, another summer, get down, sound of the funky drummer Wonderful for its time, but only plays original Game Boy carts. Will play black colored Game Boy Color carts but will be missing features and/or color. Will not play “clear” Game Boy Color carts. Here is a handy picture of the different Game Boy cartridges:  Wario 1 (on the left) is an original Game Boy game, Wario 2 is a Game Boy Color game that will work in the original Game Boy (though obviously without color and sometimes with restrictions to certain sections of the game), and Wario 3 will only work on Game Boy Color compatible systems. fatpat268 discovered a really cool way to get your original Gameboy looking way better than it normally does: fatpat268 posted:In terms of modding the original brick gameboy (dmg), there's a relatively simple and cheap way to backlight the screen. It involves a little modding, and a little soldering, but any one can really do it (the soldering points are large).  Game Boy Pocket I just wanted to show off the awesome Game Boy Pocket model that only got released in Japan (stylized to resemble the original 1989 model). Much better screen, though still monochrome and not backlit. Uses 2 AAA batteries instead of 4 AA batteries. Same compatibility as the original Game Boy.  Game Boy Light This is simply a Game Boy Pocket with one of those neon-green backlights that were popular to have in digital watches in the 90s. Only released in Japan; it goes for a pretty high price due to its limited release. Compatibility is identical to Game Boy Pocket/1989 Game Boy.  Game Boy Color The first major revision to the Game Boy line. Displayed games in color, and played original Game Boy games with different color palettes depending on what button you pressed while turning on the system. It lacks a backlight, but runs on 2 AA batteries. It runs every single Game Boy game in the Game Boy line except for Game Boy Advance games (obviously).  The original Game Boy Advance. Plays (obviously) Game Boy Advance games, which have more or less Super Nintendo-quality graphics (with crummier sound). It also plays all Game Boy Color and original Game Boy games. Pressing L or R lets you switch between filling out the screen or keeping them in their original aspect ratio. There is no backlight, because Nintendo insisted this thing run forever on AA batteries. We’ll forgive them this time, because it was 2001, and they eventually released this:  This is simply a hardware revision to the original Game Boy Advance, so game compatibility is identical (except now your original Game Boy and Game Boy Color games stick out of the bottom, rather than the top). The model to the left is the “front-lit” version, where Nintendo simply ripped off the idea the Afterburner/PortableMonopoly guys came up with, and created a clear “screen” over the top of the image and had light dispersed evenly across it. Later on, without really advertising it, Nintendo changed the screen to a backlit screen (as seen on the right). This creates a much more vibrant picture. I personally love them both, as motion blur (or response time) on the backlit version is more noticeable. 99% of people prefer the backlit one, so if you are one of them, you’ll want to search “AGS-101” on eBay (this is the model number of the backlit GBA SP). Also, the GBA SP does not have a headphone jack port built in, probably because you touch yourself at night. The original DS and DS Lite are not compatible with any Game Boy or Game Boy Color games so do not buy one for that purpose.  The Super Game Boy is cool. Super cool. How cool? Wu-Tang Clan did an unreleased commercial for it; that’s how cool it is. “YOU CAN CHANGE DA BORDAZ!” Despite the fact that it gives old Game Boy games a color palette (just like the Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance do to non-color games), the Super Game Boy is not compatible with Game Boy Color-only games (games with “see thru” casing, like Super Mario Bros. DX). Essentially, the Super Game Boy is (almost) literally a Game Boy console that has been jammed into an SNES cart. Also, Game Boy Color games that will work in older Game Boy systems will operate as if you plugged it into an original Game Boy, except with some color. For example, Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening DX for the Game Boy Color will play on a Super Game Boy, but it will not have the full color you’d get from playing it on a newer Game Boy system, and you will be unable to access the special dungeon (which is the same outcome as it being played on an original Game Boy). However, some games have special extra features if you play them on the SNES. Donkey Kong ’94 has extra-awesome colors when played on the Super Game Boy, and it even utilizes the SNES’ sound chip to give better audio! However, if you place this game in a Game Boy Color, you will not get the special Super Game Boy colors! Some games even have crazy SNES-specific extra features. Space Invaders for the Game Boy will actually unlock an SNES version of the game on the Super Game Boy! Wario Blast (a Bomberman-eque game made by Nintendo) will allow you to play with multiple controllers on your SNES console for competitive play.  The Game Boy Player for the Nintendo Gamecube is an excellent addition to any retro gamer’s library (it is literally the only reason I still have a Gamecube). The Game Boy Player plays all games in all of the Game Boy product line. However, there are some things to keep in mind. To boot the Game Boy Player, it requires a special disc be placed in the Gamecube. This disc was apparently too difficult for people to hold on to, because the price for the disc itself is a bit high. Also, many goons insist if playing on an LCD or plasma that you use the Gamecube component cables. These are incredibly expensive because, to save a few nickels, Nintendo chose to put the required chip inside the cable instead of the console. In America, Nintendo only offered this cable through their website or phone system, and even then it was only for a short time. These previously $25 cables now go for over $100 on eBay. One other thing to note is many goons feel that the Super Game Boy gives off a superior picture when playing original Game Boy games due to the fact that it is outputting an image that is closer to the original Game Boy’s. There are some other tricks you can do to enhance your Game Boy experience, such as this one courtesy of fatpat268 where you can get the awesome brighter GBA SP screen running on your original, more comfortable GBA: fatpat268 posted:
Someone even managed to hack a joystick into a GBA and have it output to TV (as if it were its own console): http://www.konlabs.com/articles_dat...nsole/index.htm  (I cannot comment on how well it works as I haven’t tried it…..yet  )3DO Interested in the Panasonic/Lucky Goldstar/Sanyo/REAL 3DO? Well good news! OSI bean dip has that one covered! OSI bean dip posted:Hey RGBurglar, would you mind including this? I'll update a bit more for it later, but I threw this together this weekend. Repairing your broken consoles I will place the current best repair guides available for each system in this section. Please post your recommended fixes and I will update this OP. There’s new fixes released all the time for various consoles, so it’s hard to keep up with what’s the most current. This section will address that.  What to play? Holy crap! That’s right! There’s games you play on these things! For this section, it will require a lot of goons’ input. I think laying it out like this would be a great idea (per console). God-tier (incredible; must play before you die) Great-tier (very good; for when you already finished all the classics) Middlin’-tier (good games that fans of the console should check out, but it may not be for everyone) So-bad-they’re-good-tier (Shaq-Fu, Pit-Fighter, Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties, etc.) I will start off with a personal example for the SNES. SNES: God-tier  Final Fantasy VI (aka Final Fantasy III in the US). Considered by most to be the best in the series, this game introduced many into the world of RPGs, which, at the time, were of incredibly high quality. The music is amazing, the storyline is great, and it’s long, yet almost never boring. If you haven’t played it, you must. Possibly consider the GBA port if you’re lazy and want some extras.  Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past I personally find it infinitely better than the N64 game everyone holds in such high regard. Action-packed, clever puzzles, Disney-esque music and possibly my second favorite video game ending of all time (after Earthbound). Play the GBA version for the extra dungeon and extra “dark world” ending. Great-tier  Illusion of Gaia Also known as “Illusion of Time” in Europe; I actually wanted to put this game in “God tier” but goons would burn me alive. If you love A Link to the Past, you’ll love this, though it’s quite a bit shorter in length. Part of the Soul Blazer/Terranigma “spiritual trilogy”. Middlin’-tier  Tin Star A game from Nintendo that you wouldn’t expect anyone to bother releasing; it’s one of those old style “saloon shooters” sort of like Sunset Riders. Came out during the end of the SNES’ lifespan when Nintendo was releasing somewhat cheaper titles as 1st party (like Uniracers; another good title). So-bad-they’re-good-tier  Ultraman: Towards the Universe I once beat this game by holding up and pressing X every 5 seconds , then L every few minutes. How to play games not released in my country of origin, thy good goon sire? Especially when it comes to consoles released in Europe and Japan, I will need some decent guides on this, as it forever changes with what switches you need to install and hz modes and all that other good stuff. Will edit this part with relevant, up to date information. Secret Santa information Midge was cool enough to set this up, so I will quote his original post: midge posted:
Keep in mind that when he says you must have 5 posts, he obviously means in the old thread. Other miscellaneous links (most shamelessly copy and pasted from the old thread, any new or outdated links, let me know and I will rectify): http://members.optusnet.com.au/evil...escart.htm#snes A great guide for those with a soldering iron and a panache for creating or modifying RGB cables. http://16bitgamer.forumotion.ca/ It’s a forum started by Drakon, the dude who is incredible with RGB modding the NES. It’s not an overly populated forum but he posts all his information there for everyone to gain knowledge from. http://www.videogameconsolelibrary.com/index.html - Huge compilation of every single console ever. Very informative and it has great pictures as well. http://www.retroactive.co.nz/ A New Zealand based retro gaming site, run by FeedbackBsr on SA. Covering anything and everything from 1999 earlier it's New/Videos/Reviews/Editorials galore! http://www.atariage.com/ - Atari Age, all about classic Atari systems http://bataribasic.com/index.html - Batari BASIC, a BASIC compiler for Atari 2600 development http://cgfm2.emuviews.com/ - Console hardware info and modifications http://famicomworld.com/ - Famicom World, all about the Nintendo Family Computer and its accessories http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ - Hardcore Gaming 101, one of the greatest sites on the planet for info about all kinds of older game series. Lots of obscure info here. HIGHLY recommended reading. http://www.multimods.com/ - TurbografX/PC Engine/Duo modifications and repair http://www.nesreproductions.com/ - NES Reproduction carts at reasonable prices http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/electronique_en.php - A shitload of hardware modifications, really cool. Also features the best guides on disabling an NES' Nin10 lockout chip and repairing the 72-pin connector(don't buy a new one if yours is fixable) http://www.nesplayer.com/ - Nintendo Player, NES game reviews and editorials. Pretty decent read. http://www.racketboy.com/ - Racketboy shouldn't need an introduction if you're interested in retrogaming. Highly recommended. http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ - Retr0bright, a recipe for a plastic brightening solution that will make old plastic electronic cases look brand new. http://www.retrowaretv.com/home/ - Retroware TV, a lot of web shows with reviews, retrospectives and other general retrogaming info. There's some crap, but a lot of good stuff. http://www.retrousb.com/index.php - Everyone knows about Retrozone http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~dhowland/mod/ - Sega Genesis hardware mods, probably work on the Megadrive as well http://www.sega-16.com/Home.php - Sega 16, all about the Genesis/MD and really really good. http://www.smstributes.co.uk/ - Sega 8-bit, pretty much the Sega Master System version of Sega 16 http://smspower.org/ - SMS Power!, another Master System fansite, with information on foreign releases and obscure hardware http://www.nesworld.com/ - NES World, the oldest NES fansite on the internet (started in 1993) and still updated frequently. http://nesdev.parodius.com/ - NES Dev, THE go-to site for NES game development and hardware technical info. http://bobrost.com/nes/ - Online version of a college course on NES game development, an incredible resource for getting started on programming for the ol' toaster. http://www.nesicide.com/ - ...and to help you along, this is an NES-specific IDE Download link for Snatcher on the Sega CD: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/238071/Snatcher.zip NEW ADDITIONS TO THIS OP If you are crazy obsessive about your reproductions: http://www.timewalkgames.com/ (JJJJJS still wins my heart if you are cool with "just the game cart". Excellent guide on how to solder: http://mightyohm.com/blog/2011/04/s...asy-comic-book/ New Links Added http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts - Another great site for the A/V pinouts of your retro game consoles! Thanks, Antillese! WANT TO REPLACE YOUR SNES BATTERIES but don't feel like looking for batteries with the tabs soldered onto them already? Get these! http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail...MkFtBSDxA%3d%3d Approved by fatpat and I, these can be soldered to your SNES game cart (the opposite side of where the battery normally goes) and any time you ever need to replace the battery again, it's easy as pie! Miyamotos RGB NES fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2013 around 00:34 |
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I know I am missing quite a bit, and might need to change some formatting, spelling, add information, etc. So please point out anything I missed, got wrong, and so forth!! INTERESTING UPDATES Since you guys are getting your SD2SNES' finally, I can report that this thing is excellent: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...E:X:RTQ:US:1123 I just got it yesterday (the guy has to custom make them) but it allows you to use a microSD card without having to cut open an SNES cart. Your SNES cart now will look completely stock! This obviously works fine for Genesis and other flash carts that use full-sized SD. As your resident guinea pig, I highly recommend it! ------------ Our friend here has a message about a SUPER MARIO MARATHON!!! Soul Glo posted:Hey guys, I lurk this thread, and I wanted to let y'all know that we're running a Mario Marathon over IN THIS THREAD. Exactly how the Zelda thread was run around a year ago. flyboi created this brilliant post on how to figure out PSUs/power adapters and how to get what you need for your old consoles: flyboi posted:Everything you need to know about power supplies: Miyamotos RGB NES fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 13:36 |
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Retro Gamers Gift Exchange : Summer Games Edition! PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE COMMITTING! YES YOU! Important Dates:
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2. Click the green RSVP button 3. Click "Join Elfster" 4. Fill out the form be sure to put your SA USERNAME in the username box - if you don't include your SA Username you will be removed from the group. 5. Uncheck the "Keep me posted about news and events at Elfster" box, unless you want spam emails. 6. Click "Join" 7. Fill in the mailing address that you want to receive your gift at, include your country 8. Post in this thread Filling out your profile on Elfster is optional, but prefered. You can add plain text to your wishlist to let your RGSS know what kind of things you would like to show up at your door. Please do this to avoid utter disappointment. The absolute biggest problem I had last year was linking Elfster accounts to their SA names. Make it obvious. If you don't make it crystal clear who you are on SA you will be removed from the group. Please take steps to make sure this doesn't happen Step 2 : Post In Thread
1. Start the post with RGGE:Summer Games (makes it easy to find in a search). 2. Will you ship international? 3. A list of your consoles 4. Favorite genres of game 5. Any specific requests. 6. You may include an optional "do not send" list. Don't want 5 EA titles showing up in the mail? Say so. Step 3 : Knowing Your RGGEee After the draw date the website will inform you who your RGEEee is. Use the information they have provided on the website and in this thread to help your gift decision making. Elfster allows you to connect them in private to ask further questions. Try and aim for between $25 and $50. Step 4 : Shipping Ship ASAP. Shipping is always a hassle. I know we can't force you to use one service over another, but be aware that you are responsible for what you ship. So take extra steps to make sure everything goes smoothly. Here are some tips:
I don't want purchase receipts of whatever gifts you buy. I want SHIPPING proof. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To those outside of the US: I will do my best to pair you with someone from your country. I can't guarantee this, so please put in your post where you are willing to ship, just in case. Please keep us updated. There is a facebook like wall for the exchange. Try to keep active on there. I just want to say: This is the second time I've organised anything like this. It was pretty successful and people have been asking me to run another. It takes a lot of time and effort to co-ordinate and chase people down. I'd love a repeat of the last one with ZERO deadbeats. If you have ANY questions, concerns or anything you need at all. Please PM or email me! RGSS EMAIL = retrogamingsecretsanta@gmail.com A HUGE THANKS TO The games mods for promising to kick someone's rear end if they gently caress with someone's summer! midge fucked around with this message at Apr 24, 2013 around 19:00 |
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I think yoshi story and chrono trigger should be god tier in the snes, especially Yoshi Story that really pushed the console to its limit. edit: I am at work now I will make a better post later with picture and quick review. Ok Here is Yoshi's Island and not Yoshi's Story. In the Fall of 1995, at the end of the SNES life, Nintendo finally released a sequel for SMW, SMW2: Yoshi's Island.  The game is what I think is one of the best looking snes game even if it kinda cheat by using the fx chip, but who cares. The graphic is colorful and look like children drawing, there is tons of effect like polygon rotation and it use a lot of mode 7. Not only that, the gameplay is solid and it's a must play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUXzlae4T_A Earlier the same year Squaresoft released Chrono Trigger.  I found his game really aged well because of the beautiful graphic and engaging battle system. Most of the time you could see the enemies before battle, and often even avoid them, making random battle an non issue and battle when they are so dynamic and almost action filled. The magic system, called tech, was pretty unique because you could combine power of two or three character to do devastating attack. Also the story really complement the gameplay and almost never fail to get the game going forward. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTZfknDVes Bleusilences fucked around with this message at Nov 6, 2012 around 01:56 |
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Bleusilences posted:I think yoshi story and chrono trigger should be god tier in the snes, especially Yoshi Story that really pushed the console to its limit. I agree; I was just giving examples and will edit in games as people suggest them. Try to give it a little two line review as well, if you guys think that's a good idea.
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You have done your fellow retro goons a grand service Mr. Miyamoto  In honor of Copper Vein's PC Engine effortpost, this is what came in today:  I don't have a system quite yet to play them on but at least one part of the equation is now taken care of. I also have another set of games taking their sweet time getting out of Asia right now, and just last night I nabbed from a US seller on eBay two Wizardry choose-your-own-adventure books (yes, these are a real thing).
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Just wanted to say for anyone who might have ordered an SD2SNES from Retrogate, I ordered on October 15 and it just shipped. Also, you'll get a Ukraine Post tracking number probably (RA#########UA), and it was kind of an unintuitive process to find out how to track registered Ukraine mail: http://www.ukrposhta.com/www/upost_...h_post?openpage
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Fantastic OP, but someone should do a write-up on NEO-GEO AES, MVS, arcade, and supergun stuff for it. I might do it after work tonight if no one gets around to it.
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Chainclaw posted:Fantastic OP, but someone should do a write-up on NEO-GEO AES, MVS, arcade, and supergun stuff for it. I might do it after work tonight if no one gets around to it. Yeah I know nothing about those; so any  info would be appreciated.If anyone finds the OP difficult to read/follow, let me know. I tried to break it up as much as I could with graphics and paragraphs and bolding and such. Just let me know if I could do a better job.
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Miyamotos RGB NES posted:Yeah I know nothing about those; so any It's pretty loving massive. As a collective we really need to start using and reference the wiki more. As much as I respect the effort that went into the OP, you are basically pandering to people that don't want to use the wiki. Let it be said that I'm just as much to blame for this as anyone else.
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midge posted:It's pretty loving massive. As a collective we really need to start using and reference the wiki more. As much as I respect the effort that went into the OP, you are basically pandering to people that don't want to use the wiki. Yeah I could have made it less massive if we had different spoiler quotes here like other forums have. Meaning I could have a section called "Making your system look the best for your TV" and have "Genesis" under it, where if you click the word "Genesis", the guide will be right there. Again, some other forums use this as spoiler tags; ours are different here and can't be done as far as I know.
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I found the OP a fun read, but I'm new to all of this so...
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It looks good, though I'd take stuff out of quote tags. In five years or whenever we end up with another thread, it'll be much easier for somebody to just quote the original post to get the content and then update it than to start from scratch. The forums don't return content in quote tags when quoted, though. Anyway, that's a really good OP. 
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Time to christen this amazing thread with the first haul-post: 105€ for the whole lot via eBay (that Terranigma  ). The guy didn't even advertise the Zelda map which is worth like 10€ by itself; probably the best lot I got so far, although that might change tomorrow (spoilers!)
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Katana Gomai posted:Time to christen this amazing thread with the first haul-post: 
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Katana Gomai posted:Time to christen this amazing thread with the first haul-post: The idea of a boxed set console coming with an adaptor to play games from a handheld is blowing my loving mind. What loving parent would be "Sure Jimmy, I'll fork out $300 for you to play 6 Golden Coins on my brand new 22" screen!"
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Holy crap... that's a massive amount of info. I just to mention just two links that could be added. In terms of modding the original brick gameboy (dmg), there's a relatively simple and cheap way to backlight the screen. It involves a little modding, and a little soldering, but any one can really do it (the soldering points are large). The backlights can be found here: http://store.kitsch-bent.com/catego...onsole-game-boy Also, the old brick isn't known for having the best contrast ratio, even with it turned all the way up. But there's a trick to get a massive amount of contrast, and it's called biversion. Basically you rotate the polarization film you get from the backlight (light pixels become dark, etc), and then you invert the pixels electronically. The effect cancels out and you get a crystal clear picture. There's a huge scene that primarily deals with modding these old gameboys for chiptune musicians. Just check the site above to see what I mean. Also, another link I just want to mention is http://www.timewalkgames.com/ They're another repro maker for NES and SNES games... but they do one thing crucially different from others: They also seal the games in original style boxes with manuals and inserts. It's a bit pricey, but they make excellent products (just check the videos on their site).
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midge posted:The idea of a boxed set console coming with an adaptor to play games from a handheld is blowing my loving mind. What loving parent would be "Sure Jimmy, I'll fork out $300 for you to play 6 Golden Coins on my brand new 22" screen!" Those sets are loving ubiquitous, too; pracically every boxed SNES I get is that set. To be fair, it also comes with Super Mario World (and also it seems to be the reason why Super GameBoys are like 1€ everywhere.)
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midge posted:It's pretty loving massive. As a collective we really need to start using and reference the wiki more. As much as I respect the effort that went into the OP, you are basically pandering to people that don't want to use the wiki. Did anyone ever get a better domain name for that wiki? It will always be obscure until it has a memorable name ACID POLICE posted:Just wanted to say for anyone who might have ordered an SD2SNES from Retrogate, I ordered on October 15 and it just shipped. Also, you'll get a Ukraine Post tracking number probably (RA#########UA), and it was kind of an unintuitive process to find out how to track registered Ukraine mail: Yea, I emailed krikzz, and he said mine will be shipped today. I haven't received a tracking number though (possibly because I ordered through paypal, and I forgot to create an account on the site beforehand).
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Sorry if this is a non content post, but reading the OP reminded me of the hours I used to play Splatterhouse on my brother's Turbo-Grafx 16.  That was such a fun game, if a bit freaky.
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This thread reminded me of a problem I got. My Gameboy is missing lines in parts of the display and I'm wondering if that's a cleaning issue or actual damage. I haven't played anything on it in years, or fiddled with trying to clean it, because I don't know what to do and don't want to make it worse. I'm pretty sure Nintendo stopped selling cleaning cartridges but I'll see if I can find one or something similar. My brother had the kit, shouldn't be too hard to dig up. Meanwhile, is my Gameboy hosed?
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I should put together the 3DO FAQ that I have been meaning to write for aeons. That and maybe some stuff on pirate carts.
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Slum Loser posted:This thread reminded me of a problem I got. It's generally an issue with the ribbon connected to the display. It's actually a pretty easy fix. This link explains it in more detail than I can say here: http://www.maxjusticz.com/restore-m...al-dmg-gameboy/
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My girlfriend texted me in a panic, saying her Super Mario World save is gone but mine is still there. Is this a sign that the battery is dying? Or just a weird random glitch due to it being an old game. I've never had a battery die on a cartridge before, so I'm not sure what the signs are (if just one game deletes, or if it's an all-or-nothing thing)
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fatpat268 posted:It's generally an issue with the ribbon connected to the display. It's actually a pretty easy fix. This link explains it in more detail than I can say here: Alright! Many thanks kind sir.
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fatpat268 posted:It's generally an issue with the ribbon connected to the display. It's actually a pretty easy fix. This link explains it in more detail than I can say here: Oh, Nintendo and ribbons Which reminds me... can this please added under the Repairs section: http://www.projectvb.com/displayfix.html This is a fantastic new thread and I'm excited to be a part of it.
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triplexpac posted:My girlfriend texted me in a panic, saying her Super Mario World save is gone but mine is still there. This happened to my SMW cart about ten years ago. It randomly deleted my save that I had been working on completing off and on since I was a kid. All the other saves remained and the cart still saves to this day so I guess that just happens sometimes?
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I just learned I have the bad Genesis 2 and bad Saturn. blast! edit:great op dude.
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Regarding RGB, most consoles generate RGB internally before converting the frames to other formats and all old CRTs work with RGB internally (the electron gun/s in the tube shoots at correct phosphorous RGB dots on the front of the screen). Converting the signal back and forth only degrades it, causes it to lose "resolution". With a good setup the difference between RGB and S-Video is quite noticeable, though not as much as when comparing composite to s-video. Regarding the saturn, if you do get the action replay cartridge for it, once you put it in, let it sit there. I seem to recall third party cartridges having a thicker PCB bending the pins in the slot making it not as snug and thus glitchy. It could also be that the saturn cartridge port is just plain bad but be careful with it. Pinguliten fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2012 around 20:17 |
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triplexpac posted:My girlfriend texted me in a panic, saying her Super Mario World save is gone but mine is still there. "Honey, are you there?" "Yes, it's me, what's up?" "I stayed home from work this morning, I've got some really bad news" "...oh god, what's wrong?" "My...my save. I've lost it. 92 stars....gone.." "I'm on my way, stay warm"
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Kreeblah posted:It looks good, though I'd take stuff out of quote tags. In five years or whenever we end up with another thread, it'll be much easier for somebody to just quote the original post to get the content and then update it than to start from scratch. The forums don't return content in quote tags when quoted, though. Okay I only did this because I didn't want to look like I was stealing other people's info and wanted to give them their due credit. If they are fine with me just bolding their username instead of quoting them I will do just that.
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Ambitious Spider posted:I just learned I have the bad Genesis 2 and bad Saturn. blast! It's not all bad, you can still plug in an Action Replay and you have that kickass access light. (Not a joke, I really miss those lights on my round-button) Pinguliten posted:Regarding the saturn, if you do get the action replay cartridge for it, once you put it in, let it sit there. I seem to recall third party cartridges having a thicker PCB bending the pins in the slot making it not as snug and thus glitchy. It could also be that the saturn cartridge port is just plain bad but be careful with it. This is the truth. The Saturn's cartridge slot is really finicky to start with, and just about any messing with it makes it start to go bad. I lost all my saves once thanks to a Saturn periodically losing connection with the cartridge.
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Bleusilences posted:I think yoshi story and chrono trigger should be god tier in the snes, especially Yoshi Story that really pushed the console to its limit. A it nitpicky, but you're talking about Yoshi's Island; Yoshi's Story was the lovely N64 game for babby. Also Terranigma belongs into God-tier but if you are going to post a screenshot for every game it's going to get really loving huge and cluttered.
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fatpat268 posted:Holy crap... that's a massive amount of info. Thanks! Info added to the OP. Did you ever get anything from that TimeWalkGames before? That is incredible. zenintrude posted:Oh, Nintendo and ribbons Only thing is that display fix is almost impossible for most people (I've had expert solderers tell me they couldn't do it) and the baking fix is very temporary (I've done it a bunch of times).
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Katana Gomai posted:Time to christen this amazing thread with the first haul-post: Boxed Terranigma with guide. I hate you so much, I cannot even express it properly.   That's awesome though, and that's one hell of an OP!
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So from this OP I have learned that a) I might already own a 1-CHIP SNES and b) my SCART switch might be making it look like poo poo. Looks like I have some testing to do.
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That is a fantastic OP. Text-filled and heavy and prone to scare off the meek, but filled with information. Maybe the console model stuff could go on the wiki? Don't touch the RGB rant, though. That's the heart and soul of the last thread.
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wa27 posted:This happened to my SMW cart about ten years ago. It randomly deleted my save that I had been working on completing off and on since I was a kid. All the other saves remained and the cart still saves to this day so I guess that just happens sometimes?  v
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Code Jockey posted:Boxed Terranigma with guide. I hate you so much, I cannot even express it properly. Yea, I can't believe I scored it that cheaply (it was a proper auction, ran out on a Tuesday morning at 10am though), Terranigma alone is worth over half the price of admission. I'm getting another SNES and change as well as two GameBoys and some games tomorrow so get hype accordingly.
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