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So I watched a bunch of people review 32X games going through the entire library. Now I've got VR Racing, Virtua Fighter, Knuckles Chaotix, Kolibri, Doom, Star Wars, Star Trek and a few other games. And I knew the Spiderman game was rare and valuable, but even that and everything else they showed was complete garbage. So there doesn't seem to be anything else I want from the 32X at all. I guess having a little over a quarter of the System's Library isn't bad.
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The Taint Reaper posted:So I watched a bunch of people review 32X games going through the entire library. Now I've got VR Racing, Virtua Fighter, Knuckles Chaotix, Kolibri, Doom, Star Wars, Star Trek and a few other games. Is the 32X port of Blackthorne no good? Because that was a killer early Blizzard game on PC.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 21:23 |
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Imagined posted:Is the 32X port of Blackthorne no good? Because that was a killer early Blizzard game on PC. It's arguably better. The developers designed the graphics around the console's limited palette by smartly using contrasting colors so you get a darker, more aesthetically pleasing looking game. Arguably the sprites are worse because they look like 3D models converted to sprites but the new look fits the atmosphere much better than the brighter, cartoonier DOS version. Of course you can also argue that Blizzard's games have always had a cartoony style with few exceptions but Blackthorne on 32x is metal as gently caress.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 22:42 |
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al-azad posted:It's arguably better. The developers designed the graphics around the console's limited palette by smartly using contrasting colors so you get a darker, more aesthetically pleasing looking game. Arguably the sprites are worse because they look like 3D models converted to sprites but the new look fits the atmosphere much better than the brighter, cartoonier DOS version. Of course you can also argue that Blizzard's games have always had a cartoony style with few exceptions but Blackthorne on 32x is metal as gently caress. That's good to hear. I'll have to be on the lookout for that then. I haven't played Blackthorne in years when I had it for the Macintosh (back when I had a Macintosh).
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 22:46 |
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firs time I played Blackthorne, it was on one of those hotel console services in Canada. No idea if those hotel consoles contained an actual game board in the hardware itself or if it was on some sort of primitive server.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:00 |
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Can anyone here burn eproms for phoenixing a cps2 game? Looking to get a set done soonish.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:07 |
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What should I look out for in buying a Famicom? Right now I play the games I have on a "Play Computer Type-W 2nd" which I believe is hardware emulation. I don't think the audio is stereo either.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:44 |
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Housh posted:What should I look out for in buying a Famicom? Right now I play the games I have on a "Play Computer Type-W 2nd" which I believe is hardware emulation. I don't think the audio is stereo either. You should look for a minty green Twin Famicom. Or a titler.
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# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:56 |
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Housh posted:What should I look out for in buying a Famicom? Right now I play the games I have on a "Play Computer Type-W 2nd" which I believe is hardware emulation. I don't think the audio is stereo either. The NES/Famicom is actually mono-only and no game is in Stereo. Some systems fake it by randomly assigning channels but this isn't good, and usually even though there are two audio hookups they both output the same thing. Which model to get is slightly contentious, but if you're looking for a Famicom (to play Japanese games) your best bet is an AV Famicom. It has the following disadvantages: - Games which use the extra sound chip might be a bit quieter than they should be for the extra channels (this is fixable by modding the system). - There is no Controller 2 Mic which is used by like a half-dozen games (although other than Takeshi's Challenge always in an optional way, and I think this, too, can be modded if you have a set mind about it).
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:05 |
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The Taint Reaper posted:firs time I played Blackthorne, it was on one of those hotel console services in Canada. Most of the in-hotel game services operated with a modified console in each room connected to a remote server that could send the rom images over. Some simply used an in-room multicart.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:09 |
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univbee posted:- Games which use the extra sound chip might be a bit quieter than they should be for the extra channels (this is fixable by modding the system).
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:17 |
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Housh posted:Super Mario Bros 3 one of those extra sound chip games? Nope. The extra sound chip thing was only possible with how the Japanese consoles were wired up so it was never used in US games. In Japan most games don't use the chip but there are a few which had extra sound in Japan but redone music in the US: Some games on the Famicom Disk System (Kid Icarus, Castlevania 2, Metroid, Zelda 1 and Zelda 2, for example), which also use actual saves instead of a password system, which is nice. Note that cart releases of FDS games (like Zelda 1 and Super Mario USA) have the same sound as the US releases. Castlevania 3 Rolling Thunder (US release by Tengen) Mr. Gimmick (which is incarnate regardless of which version you get) And honestly if this sound chip news is new to you, you can pretty much forget I mentioned the quietness, you won't notice, it's a seriously thing and not relevant at all if you don't know what the game sounds like on the old "controllers hardwired to console" Famicom.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:25 |
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Heran Bago posted:You should look for a minty green Twin Famicom. Yes, join usssss I still haven't been able to justify the price of the NESRGB for our Twin Fami but have all the parts to build a Famicom -> NES controller breakout box. I got an actual NES front panel off eBay so molded double plugs like the NES Advantage will fix perfectly.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:45 |
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It looks like nobody online that I can see is willing to sell a working Sega CD without a Genesis console attached, or that's not CIB. I just want a Model 2 that works so that I can play Panic!, Earthworm Jim Special Edition and Sonic CD (all of which were left over from back in the day when I had my Sega CD, I never got rid of them).
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:47 |
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A consideration with getting a classic Famicom (as opposed the AV Famicom that Univbee has been talking about) is that you have to have a television that can tune into channel 95 to get it to work. Most US televisions stop much lower than that (I don't think any US television channel broadcast higher than 69), but Japan had different broadcast standards and the RF out requires that higher signal range. If necessary, you can use the classic 80's solution of finding a VCR that could tune into that range and use it to manage the signal for you. My point here is that before you spend considerably less on the classic model of Famicom, make sure you're not spending the same amount in headaches to get it to work.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:54 |
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I want to use this on a LCD TV. The hardware emulator works fine but I thought maybe it would be fun getting something official. What is that Sharp Twin Famicom about besides the disk drive? It sure looks cool design wise.
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Housh posted:I want to use this on a LCD TV. The hardware emulator works fine but I thought maybe it would be fun getting something official. What is that Sharp Twin Famicom about besides the disk drive? It sure looks cool design wise. It's not a bad choice, either. Easy to repair if needed, has hardwired controllers with a mic like the classic Famicom. Note that all Japanese Famicoms have a special controller port (not the same as on the US NES) for a third controller/replacement first controller, although there are like two games that won't work with it as controller 1 (Super Mario USA and I forget what else). If you're connecting to an LCD you definitely want one which does composite out. There's also a very high chance it will work terribly (either a horrible picture or unusable lag) unless you spend $400 on an XRGB Mini. Or get a CRT.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 01:04 |
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Housh posted:I want to use this on a LCD TV. The hardware emulator works fine but I thought maybe it would be fun getting something official. What is that Sharp Twin Famicom about besides the disk drive? It sure looks cool design wise.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 01:08 |
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Does the AV Famicom use the same AV connectors as my N64? My 64 is connected to the TV using S-Video and games look great to me. Could I plug that connector into an AV Fami?
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 01:19 |
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Housh posted:Does the AV Famicom use the same AV connectors as my N64? My 64 is connected to the TV using S-Video and games look great to me. Could I plug that connector into an AV Fami? From Wikipedia: "The HVC-101 replaced the HVC-001's RF output connector with the same AV connector used in the Super Famicom, thus the name AV Famicom." So it should work fine, though you'll only get composite quality output.
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Housh posted:Does the AV Famicom use the same AV connectors as my N64? My 64 is connected to the TV using S-Video and games look great to me. Could I plug that connector into an AV Fami? It uses the same connector on the console end but the Famicom can't output s-video so that particular cable won't work. Like others have said a stock AV Famicom can only output composite so you'll want a cable like this: wash bucket fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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Housh posted:Does the AV Famicom use the same AV connectors as my N64? My 64 is connected to the TV using S-Video and games look great to me. Could I plug that connector into an AV Fami? The AV Fami only outputs Composite, not S-Video. So if you have a third party cable that has both the yellow connector that looks identical to the red/white connectors AND the S-Video connector with the 4 tiny pins, it will work, but only through the yellow connector. Another option is an NES-101 top loader (looks almost exactly like the AV Famicom) modded with both an nesrgb and a 3D printed AV output panel. That would work great with any Nintendo s-video cable you've got. It'll just, you know, cost like $300. xamphear fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:Most of the in-hotel game services operated with a modified console in each room connected to a remote server that could send the rom images over. Some simply used an in-room multicart. It seems that the Lodgenet boxes may have been custom makes of SNESes. http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?133387-SNES-hotel-system-game-list-and-label-information-revealed! Hell they even have game software that was exclusive to the service itself that was released in 1998. http://www.snescentral.com/article.php?id=0788 The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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Random Stranger posted:A consideration with getting a classic Famicom (as opposed the AV Famicom that Univbee has been talking about) is that you have to have a television that can tune into channel 95 to get it to work. Most US televisions stop much lower than that (I don't think any US television channel broadcast higher than 69), but Japan had different broadcast standards and the RF out requires that higher signal range. If necessary, you can use the classic 80's solution of finding a VCR that could tune into that range and use it to manage the signal for you. This "tune to channel ##" thing always confuses the heck out of me because over here we use bands and frequencies (and sometimes signal types, PAL-I, PAL-G etc). It's really weird and foreign to hear "Yeah just put it on channel 44".
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 02:40 |
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It's also worse than that, because it's not really on channel 95 either, it's like between 95 and 96 and the audio and video are tuned differently so to theoretically get "clean" video (or at least as clean as RF allows for) it has to be tuned slightly differently from getting "clean" audio. You can do a composite mod but you'll end up with jailbars on the picture in all likelihood. The NESRGB is the best solution but and needing to be fairly skilled at soldering
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 02:52 |
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univbee posted:The NESRGB is the best solution but and needing to be fairly skilled at soldering Haha, I wonder what the peak of retro suffering is. NES/Famicom video Early 90s CD drives The RGB rabbit hole N64 analog sticks Retro games on modern displays Neo Geo prices
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univbee posted:It's also worse than that, because it's not really on channel 95 either, it's like between 95 and 96 and the audio and video are tuned differently so to theoretically get "clean" video (or at least as clean as RF allows for) it has to be tuned slightly differently from getting "clean" audio. This is true, but you're not going to find any tuners that cut off exactly at 95 (I think the three most common cut off points are 69, 83, and 120) and televisions are supposed to have tuners that can adjust themselves far enough off the channel that this is not an issue. Of course the point here is that you have to go through extra hoops with a classic Famicom and won't get as good of result anyway. McCracAttack posted:Haha, I wonder what the peak of retro suffering is. I'm 90% of the way to a complete ______ collection. The last 10% cost twice as much as the rest collect put all together. Each.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 03:02 |
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McCracAttack posted:Haha, I wonder what the peak of retro suffering is. VGA only scored my sealed Xenoblade a 95.
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 03:03 |
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Kthulhu5000 posted:I found this: thank you very much! I know what ill be doing this weekend.
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McCracAttack posted:Haha, I wonder what the peak of retro suffering is. I don't know if I should be proud or ashamed to have done all of these
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 03:32 |
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McCracAttack posted:Haha, I wonder what the peak of retro suffering is. Buying back the games you sold as a child
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univbee posted:- Games which use the extra sound chip might be a bit quieter than they should be for the extra channels (this is fixable by modding the system). I almost on a mint CIB of Mr. Gimmick ($500!!!) and I would not want any of that fidelity (ha) lost
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URL grey tea posted:I almost on a mint CIB of Mr. Gimmick ($500!!!) and I would not want any of that fidelity (ha) lost I spent $60 on a retrogame last week and I felt bad about spending that much. I am letting down the .
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 03:58 |
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URL grey tea posted:Can you go into more details about this? Any links that show how to do the mod, or just a kick in the right direction. IIRC start here and follow whatever links aren't dead. http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=7408.0
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 04:03 |
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Honestly if anyone's after a Mr. Gimmick, just make a repro yourself. Infiniteneslives sells the board to make a Gimmick repro for $27. All you have to do is flash it and stick it in a cart shell, and the programmer will run you about $25. Even has 'full sound.' Of course, you'll need a modded NES or a modded NES to famicom adapter (they don't sell famicom boards). If any of what I said above interested you, just go here: http://www.infiniteneslives.com/products.php
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fatpat268 posted:Honestly if anyone's after a Mr. Gimmick, just make a repro yourself However a large portion of this thread (myself included) are loving crazy and would rather pay entirely too much for the real thing. See also why I fully plan on buying a CIB Earthbound at some point
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Cubey posted:See also why I fully plan on buying a CIB Earthbound at some point You may get your wish, but it might come in disc form.
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Cubey posted:However a large portion of this thread (myself included) are loving crazy and would rather pay entirely too much for the real thing. See also why I fully plan on buying a CIB Earthbound at some point Oh yes. Join us in the CIB Earthbound club!
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# ? Sep 2, 2014 04:20 |
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My plan for Gimmick! is getting it off of the Japan PSN one day, even if it's less than perfect.
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Cubey posted:However a large portion of this thread (myself included) are loving crazy and would rather pay entirely too much for the real thing. I honestly have to ask why at this point, for stuff that's over a couple hundred dollars. You know there's a bubble, you know the super pricey stuff like CIB Earthbound or whatever is being sold by lovely investor dudes to rip people off. Why not just use a flash cart or get a repro or whatever and wait until prices drop? If people keep paying these ridiculous prices people will keep charging them. EDIT: I'm totally into buying legit games, check my post history in this thread for pics of my shelves and poo poo. I just get worried that people see stuff like that and then think "oh that dude paid $500 for [game that's super expensive now], so it's not weird" and it perpetuates this thing and feeds the investors. The thing is retro games weren't always expensive, in the early-mid 2000s if you spent a couple days a month driving around to all the GameStops in your city and hitting up flea markets and thrift stores you'd have a pretty awesome collection too. I would never pay what people now are paying for some of the games I own, I have overpaid for games and it sucks and you never get the amount you paid back. Old games are expensive now because you're competing with people like tech millionaires conspicuous consupmtioning the hot new nerd hobby, unless you're one of those just wait until they get over it and dump their collections back on the market! d0s fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Sep 2, 2014 |
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