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Didn't Europe just make boring hex-map war simulators for dads during the 8/16 bit era?
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Scaramouche posted:Didn't Europe just make boring hex-map war simulators for dads during the 8/16 bit era? Nah, just a bunch of Turrican games and clones thereof.
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Feb 9, 2016 03:14
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Imagine if the 16 bit console generation had come around, and none of the companies had seen fit to add more buttons than they'd had for the second generation 8 bit consoles (ie NES/SMS/7800, so no telephone keypads like the Intellivision/Colecovision). Things would have been nearly as awful to play as Euro-computer games (though even the NES already had 4 distinct buttons, but the SMS and 7800 only have the 2 each).
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Feb 9, 2016 03:23
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Elliotw2 posted:That doesn't make the games good in 2016 when you aren't a schoolboy who gets to pick one game for your dad's computer a month. One game a month? Lucky kid. I got a new computer game once or twice a year, and the first one I picked on my own was Archon II. The original was fun, so the second one must be even better!
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Feb 9, 2016 03:31
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Scaramouche posted:Didn't Europe just make boring hex-map war simulators for dads during the 8/16 bit era? I love those games but then again I'm german.
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Feb 9, 2016 03:48
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Police Automaton posted:I love those games but then again I'm german. But your team always loses.
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Feb 9, 2016 03:50
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Jumpingmanjim posted:But your team always loses. Not in the games. 
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Feb 9, 2016 03:56
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fishmech posted:Imagine if the 16 bit console generation had come around, and none of the companies had seen fit to add more buttons than they'd had for the second generation 8 bit consoles (ie NES/SMS/7800, so no telephone keypads like the Intellivision/Colecovision). Things would have been nearly as awful to play as Euro-computer games (though even the NES already had 4 distinct buttons, but the SMS and 7800 only have the 2 each). At least you would still have music and sound effects at the same time 
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Feb 9, 2016 04:05
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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks European games suck. You can immediately tell when someone is from the UK as they start talking fondly of the ZX Spectrum, Amiga, Commodore 64 and so on. They also really liked the Master System and Mega Drive over there. I can't fault them for that last one, the Sega Genesis is indeed awesome.
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Feb 9, 2016 04:18
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The intros that cracking groups made for c64/amiga stuff were probably better than most of the games. Europe really had it rough back then
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Feb 9, 2016 04:33
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Scaramouche posted:Didn't Europe just make boring hex-map war simulators for dads during the 8/16 bit era? It was all Amiga games where someone described what console games were like to someone who never heard of them and then tried to make their own.
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Feb 9, 2016 04:42
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Random Stranger posted:It was all Amiga games where someone described what console games were like to someone who never heard of them and then tried to make their own. That's a very good summary.
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Feb 9, 2016 04:44
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Gammatron 64 posted:Glad I'm not the only one who thinks European games suck. black people drive like this
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Feb 9, 2016 04:50
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I also liked how often conversions from the eurocomputer realm to regular consoles would often end up with weird bugs, or do annoying things like only give you one life because that's how the original game stretched out playtime.
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Feb 9, 2016 04:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xWDw68yWU This looks so bad. Why wasnt the NES more popular over there anyway?
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Feb 9, 2016 05:23
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African AIDS cum posted:Why wasnt the NES more popular over there anyway? There were already several entrenched computer platforms by the time the NES arrived and the games for those other systems were much cheaper (if you paid for them at all, many people didn't). It's also worth remembering that the industry at that time was mainly comprised of tiny teams of students who'd knock something out in a month or two and sell it to whoever offered them money. PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 05:27
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Also European distrobution of the NES was a wreck, and the microcomputer revolution that took Europe by storm caused people to be more interested in games for what they already owned instead of a dedicated expensive game machine.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:30
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I never really liked many SHMUPS or jump 'n runs even all that much and I wasn't the only one either. All these "boring" games were actually pretty successful in my circle of acquaintances and friends and there are also a few classics between them. Different tastes and all, I doubt the NES being more "accessible" or something would've changed anything for me at all and I'm not the only one. EDIT: Oh, also that the Amiga computer was well.. a computer, and could do computer things. Police Automaton fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 05:50
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African AIDS cum posted:This looks so bad. Well, it is Battletoads after all
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Feb 9, 2016 05:56
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Yeah, I do wanna clarify that there are plenty of games across those old computers that are fun and well-suited to the platforms, they're just completely outside the realm of what Japanese arcades/consoles were doing at the time, so if that's where your tastes lie you'll wonder how anyone ever endured them at all. I'm getting more nostalgic for those games as times go on but I can barely remember any of the games I spent any time with back then, just a lot of "holy poo poo hurry up and load already". Pirates! and Ultima 3 on C64, the isometric Batman game on Spectrum, uh... PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 06:01
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African AIDS cum posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xWDw68yWU The NES was much more expensive. In the old days, Nintendo didn't try very hard in Europe. Or really any region that wasn't North America or Japan. Why do you think the Master System was so popular in Brazil? It's not because it's better than the NES, because it definitely isn't. The truth hurts, but in the 80s and 90s, the Japanese knew how to make games, but the Europeans just didn't. They didn't have the hanzo steel of glorious nippon. 
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Feb 9, 2016 06:05
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Island Nation posted:Did anyone actually bet on this? Not the final score but closer than 99% of predictions by anyone The way the real Super Bowl played out was eerily similar too. Tecmo SB showed a defensive battle with a lot bad QB play and turnovers. 
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Feb 9, 2016 06:38
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I wonder how many times I've posted a joke about merchant trade ships bringing the concept of Gameplay to Europe. Probably at least thrice.African AIDS cum posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xWDw68yWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8CYrMTxcw
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Feb 9, 2016 06:57
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The Genesis version is better too, since it is easier and doesn't have coop bugs.
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Feb 9, 2016 07:29
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I was talking about this with my cousin, and I'm kind of wondering why didn't much come out of Europe during that era? Yes, Psygonosis and the Amiga existed, but wasn't Europe in general a large enough market to produce it's own console/infrastructure? Something like the Videospiel Gmbh system to compete with NES/SMS.
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Feb 9, 2016 07:47
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Feb 9, 2016 07:49
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anyone have any experience using the white and blue USB saturn-like controllers that say "Play SEGA" on them? i see them mentioned here: http://blogs.sega.com/2009/11/25/playsega-vip-controllers/ I see a few different kinds around, some with red start buttons and some with blue. If anyone has some personal experience and can especially compare them to old saturn controllers please tell me whats up!
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Feb 9, 2016 08:04
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The playSEGA ones are kinda poo poo since they just bulk ordered the lovely gtron or whoever clones and screened their logo on them. They're kinda cheap feeling and the dpad is prone to breaking easily, but you can use them well enough until that happens. The real good controllers are the ones that Sega Japan released in 2004 but they're literally hundreds of dollars at this point, so you're probably better served getting a saturn to usb adapter.
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Feb 9, 2016 09:00
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I'm getting more nostalgic for those games as times go on but I can barely remember any of the games I spent any time with back then, just a lot of "holy poo poo hurry up and load already". Pirates! and Ultima 3 on C64, the isometric Batman game on Spectrum, uh... Pirates has had so many fantastic ports and remakes that I feel no need to go revisit the C64 version. Gammatron 64 posted:The NES was much more expensive. In the old days, Nintendo didn't try very hard in Europe. Or really any region that wasn't North America or Japan. Why do you think the Master System was so popular in Brazil? It's not because it's better than the NES, because it definitely isn't. Brazil also has something like a 200% tariff on electronics manufactured outside the country and someone set up a local Master System factory.
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Feb 9, 2016 13:10
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Scaramouche posted:I was talking about this with my cousin, and I'm kind of wondering why didn't much come out of Europe during that era? Yes, Psygonosis and the Amiga existed, but wasn't Europe in general a large enough market to produce it's own console/infrastructure? Something like the Videospiel Gmbh system to compete with NES/SMS. Honestly a lot of Europeans were pretty broke in comparison to the kind of money US/Canada/Japan people had, and you have to remember half of Europe was behind the Iron Curtain. So right there the market that could afford such things was a lot smaller than you'd think. There WERE several European-created consoles in the era of the 2600 in the US, usually they were loose copies of minor American market systems. For instance where the US and Canada got the Magnavox Odyssey 2, essentially the same system was popular in Europe as the Philips Videopac G7000 - the games are mostly compatible, but some aren't. (Oddly enough, the Philips version launched in Europe before the American version launched in America) The minor American console the Arcadia 2001 had several close clones over in Europe, with varying levels of compatibility. And then after that era, no European company could put together a credible system to compete with the NES/SMS era of game consoles, though there were attempts. For instance, the British Konix Multisystem would have been a late 8 bit/early 16 bit era competitor if the funding and all that hadn't gone down the tubes. And strictly speaking you could call the Atari Jaguar a European console - the Flare Technology company of the UK is the people who designed the actual Jaguar system on contract to Atari, and had been trying to build a 16 bit console codenamed Panther for Atari before that ended up not working (and thus shifted all their work to the "next generation" Jaguar). Those are American systems, even though they were only popular in Europe. 
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Feb 9, 2016 16:44
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Support in general in PAL territories in those days was really spotty. My wife is from a New Zealand a bit older than I am, and while I cut my teeth on the NES she never even saw a console video game before Playstation, despite having a circle of friends that she would have inevitably bumped into one if they had any real presence. Getting games working with PAL is a whole other thing, too, remember that a lot of early videogame systems were doing things pretty bare metal and relying on nuances with the signal standards, which are completely different in PAL territories beyond just the resolution and framerate (and also remember SÉCAM was a thing back then too). Didn't the N64 do kind of well in PAL territories relatively speaking because they actually got proper conversions of those games so you didn't have slowdown or a squished image with black bars?
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Feb 9, 2016 16:55
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fishmech posted:Those are American systems, even though they were only popular in Europe. CD32 was definitely a Europe console and only mildly penetrated the US and Canada. Hell the system doesn't actually have NTSC output. It has a hack job of taking PAL colorspace and then applying it to a 60 hz signal which works "good enough" but all the colors are way off because of it. (Still want one even though they're garbage)
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Feb 9, 2016 17:47
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univbee posted:Didn't the N64 do kind of well in PAL territories relatively speaking because they actually got proper conversions of those games so you didn't have slowdown or a squished image with black bars?
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Feb 9, 2016 18:07
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This is rad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuB1ZASrGw
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Feb 9, 2016 18:55
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Gammatron 64 posted:Why do you think the Master System was so popular in Brazil? It's not because it's better than the NES, because it definitely isn't. Now I'm curious what NES games game out in Europea, especially compared to sms. Someone should do a head to head of 'top game of genre x' on each platform, I'm curious.
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Feb 9, 2016 19:05
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falz posted:Now I'm curious what NES games game out in Europea, especially compared to sms. Gimmick. 
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Feb 9, 2016 19:11
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falz posted:Now I'm curious what NES games game out in Europea, especially compared to sms. Someone should do a head to head of 'top game of genre x' on each platform, I'm curious. Clu Clu Land Donkey Kong Donkey Kong Jr. Donkey Kong 3 Duck Hunt Gyromite Hogan's Alley Mario Bros. Pinball Popeye Soccer Stack-Up Super Mario Bros. Urban Champion Wild Gunman Wrecking Crew The following games had actual PAL releases: Action in New York Addams Family, The (En,Fr,De) Addams Family, The - Pugsley's Scavenger Hunt Adventure Island Classic Adventure Island Part II, The Adventures in the Magic Kingdom Adventures of Bayou Billy, The Adventures of Lolo Adventures of Lolo 2 Adventures of Lolo 3 Adventures of Rad Gravity, The Air Fortress Airwolf Aladdin Alfred Chicken Alien 3 Alpha Mission Anticipation Arch Rivals - A Basketbrawl! Asterix (En,Fr,De,Es,It) Astyanax Athletic World Attack of the Killer Tomatoes Bad Dudes vs. Dragon Ninja Balloon Fight Barbie Barker Bill's Trick Shooting Batman - Return of the Joker Batman - The Video Game Batman Returns Battle of Olympus, The Battleship (En,Fr,De,Es) Battletoads Battletoads-Double Dragon Beauty and the Beast Best of the Best - Championship Karate Bigfoot Bionic Commando Blades of Steel Blaster Master Blue Shadow Blues Brothers, The Boulder Dash Bram Stoker's Dracula Bubble Bobble Bucky O'Hare Bugs Bunny Blowout, The Burai Fighter California Games Capcom's Gold Medal Challenge '92 Captain Planet and the Planeteers Captain Skyhawk Castelian Castlevania Castlevania II - Simon's Quest Castlevania III - Dracula's Curse Championship Rally Chessmaster, The Chip 'n Dale - Rescue Rangers Chip 'n Dale - Rescue Rangers 2 City Connection Cobra Triangle Corvette ZR-1 Challenge Crackout Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat Darkman Darkwing Duck David Crane's A Boy and His Blob - Trouble on Blobolonia Days of Thunder Defender of the Crown Devil World Die Hard Digger T. Rock - The Legend of the Lost City Double Dragon Double Dragon II - The Revenge Double Dragon III - The Sacred Stones Double Dribble Dr. Mario Dragon's Lair Dropzone DuckTales DuckTales 2 Dynablaster Eliminator Boat Duel Elite (En,Fr,De) Eric Cantona Football Challenge - Goal! 2 Excitebike F-15 Strike Eagle Faxanadu Felix the Cat Ferrari Grand Prix Challenge Fester's Quest Flintstones, The - The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy Flintstones, The - The Surprise at Dinosaur Peak Formula 1 Sensation Four Players' Tennis Galaga Galaxy 5000 Gargoyle's Quest II Gauntlet II George Foreman's KO Boxing Ghost'n Goblins Ghostbusters II Goal! Godzilla - Monster of Monsters! Golf Goonies II, The Gradius Gremlins 2 - The New Batch Guardian Legend, The Guerrilla War Gun.Smoke Hammerin' Harry Hero Quest (Proto) High Speed Home Alone 2 - Lost in New York Hook Hoops Hudson Hawk Hunt for Red October, The Ice Hockey Ikari Warriors Incredible Crash Dummies, The Iron Tank - The Invasion of Normandy IronSword - Wizards & Warriors II Isolated Warrior Ivan 'Ironman' Stewart's Super Off Road Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu James Bond Jr Jetsons, The - Cogswell's Caper Jimmy Connors Tennis Joe & Mac - Caveman Ninja Journey to Silius Jungle Book, The Jurassic Park Kabuki - Quantum Fighter Kick Off Kickle Cubicle Kid Icarus (Rev A) Kirby's Adventure Knight Rider Konami Hyper Soccer Krusty's Fun House Kung Fu Lee Trevino's Fighting Golf Legend of Prince Valiant, The Legend of Zelda, The Lemmings Lethal Weapon Life Force - Salamander Lion King, The Little Nemo - The Dream Master Little Ninja Brothers Little Samson Low G Man - The Low Gravity Man Lunar Pool M82 Game Selectable Working Product Display Mach Rider Maniac Mansion Marble Madness Mario & Yoshi Mario Bros. 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Trojan Trolls in Crazyland, The Turbo Racing Ufouria - The Saga Ultimate Air Combat (En,Fr,De) Wario's Woods Werewolf - The Last Warrior Willow Wizards & Warriors Wizards & Warriors III - Kuros...Visions of Power World Champ - Super Boxing Great Fight Wrath of the Black Manta WWF King of the Ring WWF Wrestlemania WWF Wrestlemania Challenge WWF Wrestlemania Steel Cage Challenge Xevious Yoshi's Cookie Zelda II - The Adventure of Link Zen - Intergalactic Ninja I think of those, International Cricket, Parodius, Marios Bros. Classic and maybe Asterix and The Smurfs are the only not-in-US titles? univbee fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 19:16
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falz posted:Fightin' words. It's technically superior in most ways (except pausing perhaps?). After that it comes down to library of games, we know the shenanigans that happened in the US for them to win on that front. Make whatever arguments you like, the Master System is the inferior experience, technical specs notwithstanding. Anyhow! I haven't shared any pictures with you guys for a while. Here, have some. I made an effort to set up a few classic consoles as easily playable as possible on my desk, which required a fair amount of rearrangement, but I am pleased with the results.    And here we have one of my more recent influxes of games -   And finally, I have a lot of Sailor Moon games. 
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Feb 9, 2016 19:17
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falz posted:Fightin' words. It's technically superior in most ways (except pausing perhaps?). After that it comes down to library of games, we know the shenanigans that happened in the US for them to win on that front. Dude, I am a Sega fanboy and I love Sega to death. The Sega Saturn is the single most underrated console of all time. I'll even stand up for the Sega CD! And a few 32X games even! But even then, it's hard to say that the SMS beats the NES. In terms of hardware, yeah, the SMS is better for sure. But I think we all should know that it's software that makes or breaks a console. And I'm not even saying that Sega's SMS games were bad, because there's plenty of good ones! But the NES just destroys it when you compare its library of games. I have a few SMS games and I like 'em! But you'd have to be nuts to say it's better than the NES. Granted, Nintendo secured victory and its vastly superior library of games by shady means. They basically bullied developers into making games for the NES and not for the competition. Nintendo won by playing dirty, but they still won and if you had to pick one, the NES is the one more worth owning. With the SNES and Genesis though, you really gotta own both. --- Going off on a different tangent, while driving to work, I was thinkin' about games as I'm a nerd, and I think the single worst decision Nintendo ever made was shafting Sony on the whole CD add-on deal that later spawned the PlayStation. Yeah, I know, not exactly a revolutionary idea. And lots of people LOVE the N64. But the N64 really marks the beginning of Nintendo's decline from the reigning king to the niche console. Nintendo were dicks in the past and with the cartridge format of the N64, they alienated a lot of 3rd party developers who jumped ship and went to Sony. They've never been able to get them back. If I were to personify Nintendo and Sega, I would say that Sega was way ahead of its time albeit with extremely inept management, whereas Nintendo has the typical conservative Japanese mindset which is a stubborn resistance to change. They fought adopting optical media and online gaming and it really cost them. They've resisted mobile gaming a lot, too. Now Nintendo is forced to aim at a different demographic for their consoles because they wouldn't be able to compete with Sony or Microsoft directly at their own game. However, Nintendo is firmly entrenched in the handheld market and all attempts to compete with the various Game Boys and DSes have met with failure. Consoles are dying in Japan, but handhelds are still king.
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Where did you get that Alien Crush wallpaper?
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