Pokemon Megathread 5.1: Land of the Butterfree and home of the Braviary

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Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.

Generation 6 has been announced! The first games will be "Pok�mon X" and "Pok�mon Y", paired versions for the 3DS only. The game's graphics are no longer sprite-based, instead using cel-shaded 3D models. Based on released footage, they appear to be set in Pok�mon's version of western Europe. 10 new Pok�mon have been revealed so far*: the starters (Chespin, Fennekin and Froakie), two legendaries (Xerneas and Yveltal), a new Eeveelution whose type we don't yet know (Sylveon), and 4 others, including a Grass-type Pok�mon resembling a goat that players will supposedly be able to ride around on. There is also a silly-looking new form for Mewtwo. The games are scheduled for release worldwide in October.

*I'm not going to update this every time a tidbit of information comes out, only when something major is confirmed, so the info in this post might be old.

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Welcome goon! This is the Pok�mon megathread!

This is the second megathread since Generation 5 began with the launch of Black and White, a couple of years ago. At this point, Pok�mon: Black Version 2 and Pok�mon: White Version 2 have been out for a little over a month. I think it's fair to say they are a great improvement over the original Black and White, which were themselves pretty decent additions to the series. But I am getting ahead of myself - perhaps you do not know what Pok�mon is? Or perhaps you thought that Pok�mon fad died out 10 years ago, and you're confused about why anybody is still talking about it? I will quote from the OP of the previous megathread by way of an explanation.

Broken Loose posted:

Pok�mon is an RPG for your Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS. It's a little different from other RPGs, though.

In Pok�mon, your party members (up to 6) consist of monsters caught, traded, or bred over the course of single-player. Each monster can learn up to 4 unique moves that have different effects and elemental properties, and the monsters themselves have special properties attached to them. If you see it ingame, you can use it, and there is a high amount of customizability when it comes to these things.

What's more, the games have a tremendous amount of multiplayer features and support. Multiplayer battles of varying types, minigames, sub-battling types, trading, voice chat, co-op, AI crafting, and many more modes have fostered a huge and expansive community over the last 15 years all rooted in the game's deep battle engine.

So now you know. There are lots of us on SA who enjoy playing the games, and here is where you can join in and post about them with us! You can also join us in #pokegoons and #smogoff on SynIRC (irc.synirc.net)! Wow! As the fat man says, technology is amazing!

I have compiled what I hope is some useful information about the games into the first few posts. Briefly:

The first post talks about the games, the differences between them, and which game you should buy.
The second post has Bongo Bill's guide to the games (written for newbies), and some links to fan sites.
Post the third has answers to frequently asked questions.
Post #4 (goodness me) has some stuff about Dream World Pok�mon.

Other threads

The trading thread
The Goonleague thread
The previous megathread

Thanks to Stalgren for posting pictures in the old thread so I could be super lazy and just repost them.

Hammerite fucked around with this message at May 13, 2013 around 15:42

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:22

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# ? May 18, 2013 13:01

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.

This post talks about the Pok�mon games in general, the Generation 5 main series games in particular, and BW2 in, er, even more particular.

I'd like to get into the games, but I haven't played a Pok�mon game since (title) / for (number) years. In particular, I haven't played BW1 / haven't played any of the DS-era titles. Which is the best game for me to buy?

In general, if you're looking to get back into the games (or get into them for the first time), it's always a good idea to go for the latest release. At the moment that means buying Black 2 or White 2. The latest games generally are more polished, and have more features and more stuff to do. This is particularly true this time around - see "What new features do BW2 have over BW1?" below. As well as this, special events and distributions of rare Pok�mon are most likely to target the newest games.

If you play Black 2 or White 2 and find that it still leaves you wanting more, you can always buy BW1 or one of the Generation 4 games (go for either Platinum or HeartGold/SoulSilver) for another fix.

Would you like to read a short guide to playing Pok�mon games, written for newcomers to the series? Skip to the next post.

What new features do BW2 have over BW1?

Pok�star Studios � Unova's answer to Hollywood. You get to make little five-minute movies by trying to conduct a battle according to a script, while choosing the correct lines for your character to speak. It's a side game with puzzle elements. After you have filmed a movie using the Pok�mon the studio provides, you are allowed to try again with your own and see if they can become cult movie stars. Even though your movies make billions of dollars/yen/whatever that symbol is, you never actually see any of it. Listen, Nate and Rosa: you need to ask for a per-cen-tage of the gross, got that?
The Pok�mon World Tournament � The PWT is a more casual alternative to the Battle Subway: a set of short knockout tournaments you can take part in. Each tournament has 8 participants (so you play up to 3 matches). The Gym Leaders and Elite Four members from older titles take part, which makes for a nice nostalgia trip. As with other battle facilities, your Pok�mon's levels are adjusted, so that you can't just rely on level advantage to win. There is also downloadable extra content: you can receive additional tournaments over Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection (WFC).
Black Tower and White Treehollow � These dungeons offer a repeatable challenge that also allows you to earn experience points and money. Unlike the Subway and PWT, your Pok�mon's levels are not adjusted. Each dungeon is divided up into ten progressively more difficult areas; once an area has been unlocked, you can challenge it as many times as you wish. The areas are randomly generated each time. They are filled with Trainers who will challenge you if they spot you; the objective is to defeat the Boss Trainer. However, the Boss Trainer is behind a locked door, so you first have to find the Gate Trainer, who will open the door upon being defeated. The other trainers in the dungeon may give you clues as to who the Gate Trainer is. To make sure the dungeon is a genuine challenge, you cannot use items in your Bag - in other words, no Hyper Potions for you. (If you find a Nurse or Doctor, they will heal your party just once after you defeat them.)
Join Avenue - This is an in-game location that grows and develops the more you interact with other players. Whenever you get in contact with other trainers in any way - whether it's over local Wi-Fi (or IR), over WFC, through the Global Trade Service or by having them visit you in the Dream World - that person's avatar will show up wandering around in Join Avenue, a newly-opened shopping arcade outside Nimbasa City that the player character gets asked to manage (business practices in the Pok�mon world being rather eccentric). You can invite them to open stalls (up to 8 stalls may be open at any time); they will want to open various different types of stalls, like raffle stalls (the grand prize is a Master Ball), dojos that offer to train your Pok�mon, and shops that sell various items not carried by Pok� Marts. Once you are happy with the stalls that are open on the Avenue, you can "recommend" stalls to further trainers that visit (each visiting trainer will hint at what kind of thing they are looking for). When you send enough visitors to a stall, it levels up, and offers more and cheaper products or services. The Avenue itself also levels up, and occasionally you get perks or gifts from the owner when this happens. Some visitors will come every day even if you don't interact with any other players, but since Join Avenue responds even to interactions you have over the internet, it's something you can enjoy even if you don't live near anybody else who plays the game. Many players have taken advantage of this by using the "Magnemite Chain" (trading Magnemite like-for-like over the GTS) to fuel the expansion of their Join Avenues!
Medals � Achievements by another name. There are 250-odd different Medals for you to earn by completing various tasks, challenges and side-quests. Some are simple, like hatching a certain number of eggs; some are more inventive, like beating the Elite Four and Champion with a team of Psychic-type Pok�mon. A word of warning: there are a few Medals that you may find quite hard to earn if you do not live in downtown Tokyo, because they rely on the games' pseudo-StreetPass functionality.
Move Tutors � These helpful NPCs are a traditional element of the "third game" in each generation. They add exciting new possibilities for Pok�mon you had started to take for granted, by teaching them (in return for semi-rare items called Shards) moves that they could not otherwise have learnt.
Funfest Missions - These replace the Entralink Missions from the first game (player interaction over local wireless). Missions are cooperative and competitive in equal measure; each participating player tries to achieve the highest score. Points are scored in different ways depending on the mission, but some examples are finding Berries or Shards in sparkling tiles, buying items from NPCs, or finding and catching Audino.
Dream Radar (3DS and 3DS XL only) � This is a companion game available through the 3DS e-store for a few bucks. You can get selected Pok�mon with their Hidden Abilities, and rare items (like Rare Candies and certain evolution stones), and these can be sent to your Black 2 or White 2 cart. You can also get a Tornadus, a Thundurus, and a Landorus - this is the only way to get these Pok�mon without trading with a copy of Black or White. If you have Generation 4 games, then by playing Dream Radar with those games in your 3DS you can catch their mascots with their Hidden Abilities, and these can subsequently be sent to Black 2 or White 2.
Unova Link � Upon meeting certain conditions in the game, you will receive "keys" which can be shared with others locally via IR communications. This allows you to obtain Easy Mode on Black 2 or Challenge Mode on White 2 (or obtain either or both before beating the game); access White Forest from Black 2 or Black Tower from White 2; and catch Regice on Black 2 or Registeel on White 2, and therefore catch Regigigas. The option to share keys is found in the main menu, alongside "Continue", "Start new game" etc. Unova Link also incorporates Memory Link, which allows you to import data about your BW1 trainer into your BW2 save file: some NPCs will refer to him or her by name, you can view vignettes explaining some of the things that have happened in the time between the two games, and you can catch Pok�mon that were previously owned by an important character from the plot of the first game.
More Pok�mon - Or at least, more Pok�mon can be found in the main quest without the need to trade. In BW1 you could only find the new 5th-generation Pok�mon in the areas accessible before beating the Champion. The sparse selection of Pok�mon available very early in the game was the subject of some criticism. In BW2 there are a wealth of Pok�mon available right from the start, so you have a great deal of choice over the team you put together to challenge the game. This is reflected in the expanded Unova regional Pok�dex, which now contains 300 species (up from 156).
More Legendaries � You can find and capture 7 different Legendary Pok�mon in BW1. In BW2, that number has increased to 15.
- This includes Regice/Registeel and Regigigas, for which you need to use Unova Link's key system.
- Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus can be caught in BW1 but cannot be caught in BW2; however, you can obtain them in BW2 if you play Dream Radar.
More areas to explore � The Unova Region has gotten bigger! More cities, more dungeons, more space to fit in all the features mentioned above. There are plenty of areas that can be explored before finishing the main quest, too. (A small number of areas from BW1 have become inaccessible, but this is more than offset by the number of new areas.) You start the game in a city in a new part of the map, and you don't encounter any locations familiar from BW1 until after the 2nd Gym. (Three of the Gyms are in new locations, and the other five Gyms' interiors have been redesigned since BW1.)
Various other minor features � There is now a "favourite items" compartment in the Bag where you can send your most frequently-used items. The Pok�dex has a new mode, the Habitat List, that displays all of the Pok�mon that may be found in each area (it doesn't display Pok�mon you haven't seen yet, but it does tell you when you've seen everything on offer). When a Repel you used runs out, the game presents you with the option to use another. When a Pok�mon in the Daycare holds an Everstone, its offspring are now certain to inherit its Nature, instead of having only a 50% probability of doing so as before. When you complete the National Pok�dex you can obtain a Key Item called the Shining Charm, which boosts your chances of encountering or hatching Shiny Pok�mon.

That's great, but I never bought BW1. What new features does Generation 5 have over older generations?

Reusable TMs - No more fretting about whom to bless by spending your one and only Rock Slide TM on them. TMs are a bit more like Key Items in Generation 5, in that (like HMs) they can be used as many times as you want, and cannot be held by Pok�mon.
New Pok�mon - 156 new Pok�mon species; the National Pok�dex is bigger than ever before at 649 entries.
New hold items - Chief among these is the Eviolite, an item that steeply increases the Defense and Special Defense of any Pok�mon that is capable of evolving (more accurately: any Pok�mon of a species that possesses one or more evolutions, irrespective of whether the individual in question can evolve). This increases the usability of Pok�mon like Porygon2 or Dusclops, by giving them great bulk.
New Abilities - A number of new Abilities have been added. And most Pok�mon from previous generations have access to Abilities they couldn't have before through the Hidden Abilities mechanic. Some of them are pretty good, some of them are not so good. See below for more details.
New Battle Modes - Triple Battles are like Double Battles, only more so. Rotation Battles are something a bit different; each player has three Pok�mon out at a time, positioned around a circular platform. In each battle round, each player may optionally rotate the platform left or right, in addition to selecting a move (or choosing to swap out the Pok�mon in front). Which Pok�mon will the opponent have out in front when you attack? There is also the Wonder Launcher, which is a way for Trainers to use items in a limited fashion during battle. However, most people don't seem to care very much for this.
The Pok�mon Dream World - This is an online extension to the games that you play using your computer and a web browser. It allows you to grow Berries and to download Pok�mon and items to your game. You also get a little house that you can decorate using all sorts of different furnishings and Pok�mon dolls, bought with the Berries you have grown. Other players can visit your house, water your Berries, and swap items (if you choose to leave items out on offer). Occasionally there are special Pok�mon distributed via the Dream World (for example, an Arceus at the beginning of 2012). All Pok�mon received from the Dream World have their Hidden Abilities, if applicable. Skip three posts down for more details on Dream World Pok�mon.
Support for more advanced wireless network security standards (DSi, DSi XL, 3DS and 3DS XL only) - You can now connect to Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection (WFC) without having to disable security features like WPA on your router, which is handy.
Seasons - In addition to the real-time day/night cycle, the in-game environments now change slightly depending on the season, with drifts of snow during winter (for example) opening up certain areas but blocking off others. The wild Pok�mon found in some areas also vary with the season. Of course, if the seasonal changes happened in real time it would be intolerably slow, so instead the seasons change once every month. The months of January, May and September are Spring; February, June and October are Summer; March, July and November are Autumn; and April, August and December are Winter.
Unity Tower - A huge tower on an island off the coast of Unova. You can come here to meet the avatars of people you're traded with over WFC. It's a purely aesthetic feature though, you don't get anything special for it. How many places can you record trades with?
Pok�mon Musicals - Okay, so these are widely viewed as being much less interesting than the Contests they replaced, but you can't have everything.

_{Illustration by forums user Clumsy Card House}

I bought (Black 1/White 1). Should I buy Black 2 or White 2? What are the differences between them?

The first thing to note is that the version you go for determines which mascot you will get. Whereas in BW1 you got the opposite-coloured mascot (Reshiram in Black 1 and Kyurem in White 1), in BW2 you get the same-coloured mascot. That means that if you bought, say, Black 1 and you go for White 2, you will end up with two Reshirams and without a Zekrom. (Although you may have taken part in the promotion a while back that allowed Black 1 players to get a Zekrom and White 1 players a Reshiram, in which case you wouldn't really care, I guess.)

Which version you get also determines which Eon Pok�mon you get (Latios in Black 2, Latias in White 2) and which legendary golems you can obtain without using Unova Link (Regirock and Registeel in Black 2, Regirock and Regice in White 2).

In addition to these legendaries, there are a few other "ordinary" version-exclusive Pok�mon. But with the Global Trade System these are less and less relevant in recent titles.

The differences between Black 2 and White 2 are less than those between Black 1 and White 1. The principal way in which the difference has "narrowed" is that Black City and White Forest now do more or less the same thing in each game; each has a dungeon that may be repeatedly challenged for EXP and money, and a market where rare evolution items may be purchased. In BW1, they were more distinct. Also, if you have a friend who will share the Black City/White Forest key with you, you can have access to both areas anyway. (The evolution items will be more expensive in the opposite-coloured area.)

One other difference is in the difficulty setting key you get for beating each game. For beating Black 2 you get the Challenge Mode key, which makes the game harder. For beating White 2 you get the Easy Mode key, which makes the game easier. But be aware that you have to beat the game first to get access to either key. And you can't just beat the game then restart in order to play using Challenge Mode, either; in order to play with it, you have to receive it from another cart after deleting your data, so there is no way to play through on Challenge Mode without either a second cart, a cheat device, or access to a friend who has a copy of the game. (It is v. silly.)

What other Pok�mon games can I play if I've had my fill of the main series games?

Pok�mon Conquest is a strategy game which many goons have said they enjoyed. It is a crossover between Pok�mon and a series of strategy games called Nobunaga's Ambition.

There's also the Pok�mon Mystery Dungeon series. A new title in the series, Pok�mon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, has just (24th March) been released in North America. It will be released in Europe and Australia mid-way through May.

Beside these, there are a bunch of other spin-off games for various Nintendo systems, going back many years.

I want to talk about the anime/the trading card game/my favourite Pok�mon merchandise. Do we talk about that stuff here?

You can talk about that stuff if you like. You probably won't get as much discussion as you will by talking about the games, but we are in the Games forum so there you are. I think there's a thread about the anime in ADTRW.

Hammerite fucked around with this message at Mar 30, 2013 around 05:40

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:23

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.

This post has the in-depth newbie guide and links to fan sites.

I bought Black 2 or White 2, but I'm new to the series, and I feel lost. Help?

Forums user Bongo Bill wrote a helpful guide to the games, targeted at newbies. Here comes some advice:

Bongo Bill posted:

So, here's a guide I wrote that some might find helpful. It assumes that the only thing that the reader knows about this franchise is that it exists.

How to Play a Pok�mon Game for the First Time, Even If you are Extremely Indecisive and Neurotic, and Enjoy it like it's 1998

What?

In the opinion of this writer, the most fun introduction to Pok�mon is to know as little as possible about the game and learn it all as you go by trial and error. That's how we veterans did it, and after all, there's no teacher like experience. Pok�mon is very thorough about teaching the player how to play, but it gives only oblique hints about how to play well, which, at any rate, is something you won't need to know if all you want is to reach the end of the game.

As the original* social game, the idea of discovering the intricacies of the game by swapping playground hints and trying things for yourself is deeply ingrained into the Pok�-ethos. Rather than reading a guide, the best way to overcome any difficulty you encounter (and you will encounter difficulties, because although the game is easy, you don't know anything about it) is not by consulting a guide, but by asking specific questions of your fellow players. Pok�mon is both mechanically rich and content-heavy, and the purpose of this guide is to help you maximize the thrill of discovery.

You are encouraged to try anything you're curious about just to see what will happen. In the process of doing this, you will make some bad decisions and pick some booby prizes, and you will probably even waste time as a result. But by experiencing those mistakes, you will notice why they were wrong, and you will learn far more about the nature of the game than if you had simply avoided them. Learning is fun!

That being said, although the game contains in itself almost everything you need to know, there are a few conspicuous omissions; in addition, a few general pieces of advice will help you to make more fruitful observations as you're playing. This guide will fill those gaps, indicate the least obvious important things, and kick you out the door.

Which Version Should I Play?

The most recent one of either color. Right now, that means either Black 2 or White 2. Although every game in the series since 2002 has been interoperable, Pok�mon games do not depend on you having played any previous game in the series. Each game is an improvement over the most recent one, with a few more features added and a few more legacy mechanics made more convenient and interesting. Everything not present in the game you have selected can be provided by your helpful and friendly fellow trainers. If you like what you see, you can then go back and play one of the others.

What Won't the Game Tell Me?

There is one highly important piece of information which forms the very core of the game, which is nevertheless not conveniently documented in the game. This is probably because it's a very dense-looking chart. Pok�mon uses a system of seventeen elemental "types" which have asymmetric relationships of advantage and disadvantage over each other. Each Pok�mon has either one or two types, and every move has one type, and if you play for long enough you will eventually memorize all of their interactions. In the mean time, consult this type chart. The original games put a chart like that one right in the manual, and it was the best reference material ever printed; I don't know why it was omitted from the current games.

At the very opposite end, deep within the battle system are a handful of extremely esoteric mechanics whose existence the game barely even acknowledges, which we only know about thanks to the countless man-hours of dedicated Pok�-scientists performing ethically challenging Pok�xperiments and disassembling ROMs. We had to invent names for these mechanics because the games themselves provided no official ones - "Effort Values" or "EVs," and "Individual Values" or "IVs." I mention these only so that you will recognize that you don't need to pay attention if you see somebody talking about them. This information is of interest only to experienced players who wish to optimize their Pok�mon with the objective of doing well in comparatively high-level competitive multiplayer. You yourself might need that information yourself someday, but for a newcomer to bother with any of that knowledge would be like training for a marathon before learning to crawl.

What Should I Pay Attention To?

Pok�mon is a numbers game. You can't get away with ignoring the stats.

The stats of your Pok�mon and of the moves they know are visible at any time. Go to your Pok�mon list, whether you're in the field or in battle, and check out its Summary page, and note that it has multiple pages. The page with the moves on it will give you details about those moves, including any secondary effects they might have. Make particular note to the attack's power, its type, and whether it deals physical or special damage. You'll get a chance to review this when the game asks you if you want to forget a move to make room for a new one. Additionally, in the latest version, if you hold the L button while selecting a move, it'll show that move's detail screen rather than performing the attack.

Near the beginning of the game, there's a building that's a Pok�mon school. Go inside and read the blackboard, check out the books, and talk to the students. The information you acquire there will remain relevant for the rest of your Pok�-career.

An attack which matches the type of the Pok�mon using it will do 50% more damage. This is an important fact; it will be mentioned in-game, but I'm giving you this advice for free. Treasure it!

Any General Advice?

Does everybody remember the #1 rule of RPGs? "Talk to everybody." NPCs will mention game mechanics, sidequests, rare Pok�mon, boss strategies, and even idle gossip. They're a valuable source of vague information.

It is recommended that you try to make sure your team has a good balance of types; otherwise, you might run up against a powerful enemy that your entire team is vulnerable to. That being said, it's entirely possible to steamroll the whole game with just one Pok�mon; I personally never found it very fun to play this way, but many have.

If a Pok�mon isn't working out for you, don't be afraid to replace it. It might be an incurable weakling (there are a few of those), it might be filling a redundant niche on your team, it might just have not yet attained its full power, or you might even just not like the way it looks. Benching it and starting with a newcomer is relatively painless.

Check the Options menu right away. In addition to the all-important text speed setting, check out the "Battle Style" setting. By default, it's set to "shift." What this means is that when facing NPC trainers, the game basically allows you to cheat by switching out your Pok�mon for free. Changing it to "set" will give you a somewhat more strategically demanding experience, which I think is preferable, but which might feel overwhelming if you're really not confident in your understanding of the rules. You can change at any time, so use whichever one you prefer, but you should consider it your goal to become comfortable playing in "set" mode. Regardless of your choice, all multiplayer battles play out according to the "set" rules, because "shift" only makes sense in the context of battles against NPCs.

But most of all, remember that there are many different ways to enjoy Pok�mon, any of which might prove your favorite. Try everything and keep trying them as your understanding improves, or just stick with your first decision and learn how to make it work, or anything in between. The only wrong way to play is to stick with something you hate.

_*ish

Where can I look up a Pok�mon or a move, or get other in-depth information?

I'll quote from the OP of the previous thread:

Broken Loose posted:

You can get helpful information at the following websites. Each site has their own positives and negatives, which we are not really at liberty to discuss:
Smogon has a plethora of fantastic forums and resources that will tell you how to crush your opponents mercilessly. If you're the type of person that doesn't believe you can win and have fun simultaneously, avoid.
Bulbapedia is full of information and asperger's explanations of cartoon episodes. It's a wiki, but the information is accurate... sometimes, a little too accurate.
Psypokes is a powerful, bloated site that is now owned by Gamespot. Great info, okay navigation, reliable servers, but occasional annoying ads.
Pok�mon Marriland is a lesser-used site that sometimes doesn't have all the information otherwise available at Psypokes or Smogon. It's got fast speed and minimal bloat, though.
Veekun is a comprehensive, easy-to-navigate, helpful Pok�dex run by a furry pedophile. Do not talk about this. Do not tell anybody if you use this. This is only here for educational purposes.
Legendary Pok�mon is the best Pok�dex on the internet when the site works.

This is The FAQ. It is always full of helpful, if outdated, answers. If you need the answer to a question not answered in the ingame manual, check here first.

Hammerite fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 16:29

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:23

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.

This post answers some frequently asked questions about playing the games.

I want to trade. Can I trade with goons? Better yet, can I battle with goons?

We have a trading thread in Private Game Servers. You don't have to rigorously keep all trading-related discussion in there - if you end up arranging to trade in this thread that's all good - but if you're going to be coordinating many trades or offering/asking for lots of stuff, please do it in the dedicated thread, it's what it's there for.

We occasionally have goon tourneys which are co-ordinated through the Goonleague thread. Sometimes there may even be prizes. Generally a notification will get posted in this thread too when sign-ups are open for an upcoming tournament. But you can have one-off battles too, of course. Just ask in that thread or in this one, or on the IRC, and I'm sure you'll get some interest.

You can coordinate trades and battles in real-time using the IRC channels #pokegoons and #smogoff on SynIRC (irc.synirc.net). Of these, #pokegoons is generally busier with people chatting; #smogoff is quieter and more earnest, like a library, but a library that can suddenly erupt in a noisy Pok�mon battle for some reason.

I want to level up my Join Avenue. How can I get people to visit?

A handful of Trainers will visit every day, even if you don't interact at all with other players.
If you use the Dream World and make lots of Dream Pals, they'll show up in your Join Avenue whenever they visit your Dream Island. (They show up after you use Game Sync to wake up your Pok�mon.)
Trade and battle with people (online or in person) and they will visit.
Trade using the GTS and you can get lots of visitors. Why not join in the Magnemite Chain? Deposit a Magnemite, requesting any Magnemite in return. Wait a couple of minutes and check again, and your trade will almost certainly have gone through. Repeat several times. (Of course, you don't have to trade only Magnemite; it's just a way to complete many trades quickly. It's what all the cool kids are doing.)

NB. There is a limit on how many Trainers can be in the "queue" to visit your Join Avenue, so be sure to visit and speak to them all every so often or you'll max it out.

_{Illustration by forums user Rahonavis}

I want to get more Shards. What is the easiest way to get them?

The easiest way to get Shards that I have seen is to play the Funfest Mission "Find Shards". This is unlocked when you defeat the Champion. If you do not know how to start a Funfest Mission, here is how:

Make sure you are outside (not in a building or a cave).
Make sure your C-Gear is turned on.
Tap the "Wireless" button on the C-Gear, then tap "Entralink". (If you are told that you cannot warp to the Entralink, then the area you are in does not count as outside. Go somewhere else.)
You will arrive at the Entralink, standing in front of your Entree. If this is the first time you've warped to the Entralink, the old man standing nearby will come and speak to you, then prompt you to interact with the Entree.
Walk up to the Entree (the tree stump in the middle of the island) and interact with it by pressing A. Select the first option, "Accept a Funfest Mission".
You should now see a list of Funfest Missions, from which you can select "Find Shards". However, the first time you accept a Funfest Mission, it must be the "Berry Search" mission; if you have not yet played this mission then it will appear as the only option. Play and succeed at the Berry Search mission and then come back and try again.
The mission starts after a short delay. You now get to run around and find Shards. They appear as a sparkling effect over spots on the ground. Cities, towns and Routes tend to be good areas to find them in. When the time runs out, you will be returned to the Entralink.

If you haven't yet defeated the Champion, you could play the "Find Mysterious Ores" or "Find Shining Ores" missions instead (which one you have access to depends on the version you are playing). These are like the "Find Shards" mission except that you have to run around in caves looking for dust clouds (use Repels to keep wild Pok�mon away). You will also find evolution stones.

Another way to get Shards is to lose at the Pok�mon World Tournament; you get a random Shard as a consolation prize.

How can I level up my Pok�mon quickly?

Firstly, note that if the Pok�mon you're trying to train is currently very low-level, the easiest thing at first will be to give it an Exp Share to hold and let another Pok�mon in your party fight high-level Pok�mon. Also, if you're going to raise a Pok�mon's level using a mixture of battling and Rare Candies, make sure you use the Rare Candies for the last few levels, not the first few, because each successive level is more work to raise through battling. Here are some ways that you can earn EXP or raise a Pok�mon's level:

Once a day, you can challenge trainers in the two sports stadia in Nimbasa City.
Also once a day, you can challenge Morimoto and Nishino in the Game Freak offices in Castelia City; you can re-battle Colress at the Plasma Frigate, which docks at the P2 Laboratory once the main story has concluded; and you can take part in a 2v2 battle with Cilan, Cress and Chili in Striaton City's restaurant.
Each evening, you can sail on the Royal Unova, which departs from Castelia City.
You can get lots of EXP (and lots of money, provided you don't lose or resign) by challenging Black Tower or the White Treehollow. You can do this as often as you like.
Dojos and Caf�s on Join Avenue offer services that raise a Pok�mon's level, though they are quite expensive.
You can get Rare Candies from Dream Radar; by defeating all of the trainers on the Royal Unova on a Sunday; or from Pok�mon with the Pickup ability.
You get lots of experience by defeating high-level Audino. Go to an area with very high-level Pok�mon (e.g. Giant Chasm in BW1) and run around to prompt shaking grass, then walk into the grass and you may find Audino.

In a double or triple battle, two or three of my Pok�mon fainted in the same turn, and now the game won't let me choose a replacement. What is going on?

The game wants you to select which of the fainted Pok�mon you are replacing. That is to say, it wants you to indicate whether the first replacement you send out will be on the left or on the right (or in the middle). First of all choose one replacement, then select one of the fainted Pok�mon being replaced (at the top of the list). Then continue by choosing the next replacement (if any).

I started up the game and it should be <season>, but instead it is <other season>. My DS system's clock is set correctly. Why is it the wrong season in my game?

When you resume a saved game, the season is always the same as it was when you saved. This is to avoid weird things happening if you saved the game in a location that varies depending on the season, like Route 20 or Twist Mountain. The season will change to the correct one when you go through certain doorways, or gateways between some map areas.

When do morning, day, evening and night start and end?

OK, this question is actually not frequently asked at all. I can just never remember and I want to put the information here where I can find it easily.

Spring and Autumn: Morning is 5am to 10am. Day is 10am to 5pm. Evening is 5pm to 8pm.
Summer: Morning is 4am to 9am. Day is 9am to 7pm. Evening is 7pm to 9pm.
Winter: Morning is 7am to 11am. Day is 11am to 4pm. Evening is 4pm to 7pm.

What is "fake GTS"? How do I use it?

When your DS, DSi or 3DS "phones home" to Nintendo for whatever reason, it makes contact with servers run by Nintendo. But if you manually configure the device's DNS settings, you can get it to connect to a server run by a third party. Clever Pok�mon scientists have reverse-engineered the protocols used by the games to communicate with the GTS; the upshot of this is that you can send yourself the Pok�mon and/or items you want if you connect your game to a service set up for that purpose. But make sure you only connect to servers you trust!

The most notable fake-GTS server is Pok�check. In that link you will find instructions on how to connect and use their service. For more details and links to some publically downloadable Pok�mon, see the first page of the trading thread.

As when using any other game-altering device or service, please make sure you make others aware if Pok�mon or items you are trading didn't originally come from the game, or have been modified by external means! There's nothing wrong with playing the game the way you want to enjoy it, but some of us find it more enjoyable to play the games "as they are".

Hammerite fucked around with this message at Dec 24, 2012 around 15:49

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:24

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.

In this post I explain a little further about Dream World Pok�mon. This is the last one, I promise.

What does it mean when people talk about "Dream World Pok�mon"? How are they different to normal Pok�mon?

The Pok�mon Dream World is a new feature that was added to Black and White (and remains present in Black 2 and White 2). By registering your cart to a Pok�mon Global Link account and then "tucking in" a Pok�mon using the Game Sync function on the C-Gear, you can gain access to an area of the Global Link site called the Dream World. There you can obtain items and Pok�mon to send back to your game.

Most Pok�mon obtained from the Dream World have an Ability that Pok�mon obtained in-game will not have. In previous generations, each Pok�mon has a random Ability out of two that are possible for its species (some Pok�mon can only have one Ability). In Generation 5, a new mechanic was added called "Hidden Abilities", or sometimes "Dream World Abilities". A Pok�mon from the Dream World has a different Ability instead of the one it would normally have. (Some Pok�mon species do not have Hidden Abilities assigned to them. These Pok�mon will have their usual Ability even if they come from the Dream World.) Some Pok�mon obtained from the Dream World also have moves they would not normally be able to learn in-game.

In Black and White it is also possible to obtain two Generation 5 Pok�mon (Darmanitan and Musharna) with their Hidden Abilities, without using the Dream World. In Black 2 and White 2 there is a greatly expanded pool of Pok�mon that can be obtained in-game (or using the new "Dream Radar" 3DS game) with their Hidden Abilities, some of them Generation 5 Pok�mon and some of them from previous generations. The majority of Pok�mon whose Hidden Abilities are available are still obtained (with their Hidden Abilities) via the Dream World.

Why do people talk about "Dream World females"? Why does it matter whether a Dream World Pok�mon is female?

Female Pok�mon that have Hidden Abilities are able to pass the Ability on to their offspring. When you breed a female Dream World Pok�mon with a male of the same or a compatible species, each hatched Pok�mon has a 60% probability of inheriting Dream World status from its mother. Thus, female Pok�mon from the Dream World are more desirable. But Pok�mon encountered in the Dream World are also generally more likely to be male than female. The capacity to breed for more Pok�mon with their Hidden Ability is the reason why people value Dream World female Pok�mon.

Male Pok�mon and genderless Pok�mon can never pass down Dream World status. Also, female Pok�mon will never pass down their Dream World status when they breed with Ditto. It does not matter whether the Ditto in question has its Dream World Ability, Impostor - Hidden Abilities are never passed down when Ditto is involved.

Are the Dream World Abilities any good?

Some of them are good, and some of them are not. Some Dream World Abilities generally considered to be good are:

Bagon (Sheer Force - evolves into Moxie Salamence)
Carvanha (Speed Boost)
Ditto (Impostor)
Dratini (Marvel Scale - evolves into Multiscale Dragonite)
Eevee (Anticipation - evolves into Hydration Vaporeon, Quick Feet Jolteon, Guts Flareon, Magic Bounce Espeon, Inner Focus Umbreon, Chlorophyll Leafeon, or Ice Body Glaceon)
Gligar (Immunity - evolves into Poison Heal Gliscor)
Heracross (Moxie)
Illumise and Volbeat (Prankster)
Lapras (Hydration)
Magikarp (Rattled - evolves into Moxie Gyarados)
Natu (Magic Bounce)
Nidoran (Hustle - evolves into Sheer Force Nidoking/Nidoqueen)
Poliwag (Swift Swim - evolves into Swift Swim Poliwrath or Drizzle Politoed)
Sableye (Prankster)
Skitty (Wonder Skin)
Slowpoke (Regenerator)
Tentacool (Rain Dish)

(All of these Pok�mon are presently available with their Hidden Abilities. There are some good Dream World Pok�mon that aren't yet available as I write this, such as Contrary Snivy and Shadow Tag Litwick.)

Why are there multiple slots on my Friend Board when I can wish for only one Pok�mon at the Tree of Dreams every time I visit the Dream World?

Because sometimes special promotions take place on the Global Link site that allow you to receive additional Pok�mon for your game. For example, as I write this there is a promotion that allows you to receive a Gothorita; a few months ago there was one that allowed you to receive an Arceus. When you activate the promotion for your Global Link account (strictly, for your game card, since these things are per-game), the special Pok�mon is added to your Friend Board. If you wish for a Pok�mon at the Tree of Dreams the next time you visit the Dream World, then there will be two Pok�mon on your Friend Board (or more than two, if you activated more than one promotion). Here is an example dialog box showing two Pok�mon to be received:

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Which Pok�mon can be obtained with Hidden Abilities?

These lists are based on various lists found on Pok�mon fansites (primarily Bulbapedia, Serebii, and Smogon). If you can't find the Pok�mon name that you're looking for, make sure to check whether one of its evolutions is listed instead. Each Pok�mon evolution family should have a representative in one or more of the lists below. (Here I am ignoring some "weird" cases, for example, by including Volbeat as part of Illumise's evolution family.)

The following Pok�mon can be obtained from the Dream World, as females with their Hidden Abilities, by tucking in a Pok�mon using a copy of Black, White, Black 2 or White 2:
- Pok�mon marked with an asterisk can also be obtained in-game in Black 2 and White 2, or can be found in those games at another evolution stage.
- Togepi can also be obtained through Dream Radar.
- This category includes 274 Pok�mon from 125 evolutionary families.

Abra, Absol*, Aerodactyl, Aipom, Anorith, Aron, Bagon*, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bidoof*, Buizel, Buneary, Burmy, Cacnea, Carvanha, Chansey, Chinchou, Clamperl, Corphish, Croagunk, Cubone, Delibird, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini*, Drowzee, Eevee*, Ekans, Elekid, Exeggcute, Farfetch'd, Feebas, Finneon, Geodude, Gible, Girafarig, Glameow, Gligar*, Goldeen, Growlithe, Gulpin, Heracross*, Hippopotas, Horsea, Houndour, Illumise, Kabuto, Kangaskhan, Kricketot, Lapras, Larvitar, Ledyba, Lickitung, Lileep, Luvdisc, Machop, Magby, Magikarp, Mantine, Mareep, Marill*, Miltank, Mr. Mime, Murkrow*, Natu, Nincada, Numel, Oddish, Omanyte, Onix, Paras, Pidgey, Pineco, Pinsir*, Poliwag*, Ponyta, Poochyena, Psyduck*, Qwilfish, Rattata, Relicanth, Remoraid, Roselia, Sandshrew, Scyther, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shinx, Shroomish*, Shuppet, Skarmory, Skitty, Slugma, Smeargle, Sneasel*, Snorlax*, Snorunt, Snover, Snubbull*, Spearow, Spinarak, Spoink, Stantler, Staravia, Stunky, Sudowoodo, Sunkern, Surskit, Swinub, Tangela*, Tentacool, Togepi*, Torkoal, Trapinch, Tropius, Vulpix*, Wailmer, Whismur, Wooper, Wurmple, Yanma, Zigzagoon, Zubat

The following Pok�mon can be obtained from the Dream World, as females with their Hidden Abilities, by tucking in a Pok�mon using a copy of Black or White:
- These Pok�mon will not be found in the Dream World if you tuck in a Pok�mon using a copy of Black 2 or White 2.
- Pok�mon marked with an asterisk can also be obtained in-game in Black 2 and White 2, or can be found in those games at another evolution stage.
- Pok�mon marked with a dagger can also be obtained through Dream Radar.
- This category includes 94 Pok�mon from 45 evolutionary families.

Beedrill*, Butterfree*, Chatot*, Cleffa*, Combee*, Corsola*, Cranidos*, Drifloon*�, Dunsparce*, Electrike*, Grimer*, Hoothoot�, Hoppip, Igglybuff�, Krabby*, Lotad*, Makuhita*, Mankey*, Mawile*, Meditite*, Meowth*, Nidoran*, Nosepass*, Pachirisu*, Phanpy*, Ralts*�, Rhyhorn*, Sableye*, Seviper*, Shellos* (both forms), Shieldon*, Shuckle�, Skorupi*, Slowpoke�, Smoochum�, Spheal*, Spinda*, Spiritomb�, Swablu*�, Taillow, Teddiursa*, Venonat*, Wingull*, Wobbuffet*, Zangoose*

The following Pok�mon can be obtained from the Dream World, as females with their Hidden Abilities, by tucking in a Pok�mon using a copy of Black 2 or White 2:
- These Pok�mon will not be found in the Dream World if you tuck in a Pok�mon using a copy of Black or White.
- Sigilyph can also be obtained through Dream Radar.
- This category includes 61 Pok�mon from 31 evolutionary families.

Alomomola, Audino, Axew, Basculin (both forms), Cottonee, Crustle, Drilbur, Druddigon, Ducklett, Duosion, Durant, Elgyem, Emolga, Galvantula, Gurdurr, Heatmor, Karrablast, Krookodile, Maractus, Pawniard, Petilil, Pidove, Roggenrola, Scolipede, Scraggy, Shelmet, Sigilyph, Stunfisk, Tirtouga, Tympole, Vanillite

The following Pok�mon can be found in-game, as females with their Hidden Abilities, in a copy of Black or White:
- Musharna is not found in Black 2 or White 2. Darmanitan is found with its Hidden Ability in Black 2 and White 2, but it will be male.
- Munna may be obtained, as a female with its Hidden Ability, through Dream Radar.
- This category includes 4 Pok�mon from 2 evolutionary families.

Darmanitan, Musharna

The following Pok�mon can be found in-game, as females with their Hidden Abilities, in a copy of Black 2 or White 2:
- These Pok�mon are not found in-game in Black or White.
- Jellicent can only be found as a female in White 2. It can be found in Black 2, but it will be male.
- Meowth, Teddiursa, Mawile, Shieldon and West Sea Shellos can be obtained only if the player character is a boy, while Mankey, Phanpy, Sableye, Cranidos and East Sea Shellos can be obtained only if the player character is a girl. (Each of these Pok�mon can also be obtained through the Dream World.)
- Pok�mon marked with an asterisk can also be obtained from the Dream World, or can be found there at another evolution stage.
- Pok�mon marked with a dagger can also be obtained through Dream Radar.
- This category includes 155 Pok�mon from 71 evolutionary families.

Absol*, Bagon*, Beedrill*, Bibarel*, Bouffalant, Breloom*, Butterfree*, Chatot*, Clefairy*, Combee*, Corsola*, Cranidos*, Cubchoo, Deerling, Dragonite*, Drifloon*�, Dunsparce*, Eevee*, Foongus, Garbodor, Gligar*, Golduck*, Granbull*, Hariyama*, Heracross*, Herdier, Jellicent (see note), Kingler*, Leavanny, Liepard, Lombre*, Mandibuzz (Black 2 only), Manectric*, Mankey*, Marill*, Mawile*, Medicham*, Meowth*, Mienfoo, Minccino, Muk*, Murkrow*, Nidoran*, Nosepass*, Pachirisu*, Pelipper*, Phanpy*, Pinsir*, Poliwhirl*, Ralts*�, Rhyhorn*, Sableye*, Seviper*, Shellos* (both forms), Shieldon*, Skorupi*, Sneasel*, Snorlax*, Spheal*, Spinda*, Swablu*�, Tangela*, Teddiursa*, Togepi*�, Venonat*, Vulpix*, Watchog, Wobbuffet*, Woobat, Zangoose*, Zebstrika

The following Pok�mon can be obtained through Dream Radar, as females with their hidden abilities:
- Hoothoot and Slowpoke are unlocked by entering special button combinations.
- Pok�mon marked with an asterisk can also be found in the Dream World (in the case of Sigilyph, only when using Black 2 or White 2).
- Pok�mon marked with a dagger can also be found in-game in a copy of Black 2 or White 2.
- This category includes 28 Pok�mon from 13 evolutionary families.

Drifloon�, Hoothoot*, Igglybuff*, Munna (NB. Musharna is also available in BW1), Ralts*�, Riolu, Shuckle*, Sigilyph*, Slowpoke*, Smoochum*, Spiritomb�, Swablu�, Togepi*�

Pikachu was released as a female with its Hidden Ability through a distribution event in Japan. You will need to trade in order to get hold of one.
- This category includes 3 Pok�mon from 1 evolutionary family.

The following Pok�mon have been made available with their Hidden Abilities, but only as males, even though they can be female:
- These Pok�mon were, again, released through distribution events. The distributions were Japan-only, with the exception of the Gothorita one, which has been rolled out internationally.
- Since these Pok�mon have been made available with their Hidden Abilities as males only, it follows that you can't breed further individuals with the Hidden Ability. It also means that it's not possible to obtain individuals of these species that have their Hidden Ability and also know moves that can only be learned as egg moves.
- This category includes 30 Pok�mon from 10 evolutionary families. (The first number includes Gothita, though it is actually not presently possible to legitimately obtain a Shadow Tag Gothita.)

The Generation 1 starters (Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle); the Generation 3 starters (Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip); the Generation 4 starters (Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup); Gothorita

The following Pok�mon have been made available with their Hidden Abilities, but they are male-only species:
- Since these Pok�mon can only be male, it follows that you can't breed further individuals with the Hidden Ability. It also means that it's not possible to obtain individuals of these species that have their Hidden Ability and also know moves that can only be learned as egg moves.
- This category includes 9 Pok�mon from 5 evolutionary families.

Braviary (in-game in White 2 only), Sawk (Dream World), Tauros (Dream World), Throh (Dream World), Tyrogue (Dream World)

The following Pok�mon have been made available with their Hidden Abilities, but they are genderless species, Legendaries, or both:
- Since each of these Pok�mon either is genderless or cannot breed, it follows that you can't breed further individuals with the Hidden Ability.
- This category includes 29 Pok�mon from 17 evolutionary families. (The first number includes Klink, though it is actually not presently possible to legitimately obtain a Clear Body Klink.)

Beldum/Metang (respectively Dream World [BW1 only]/in-game in Black 2 and White 2), Bronzor (Dream World [BW1 only]/in-game in Black 2 and White 2/Dream Radar), Dialga (Dream Radar with Diamond inserted), Ditto (in-game in Black 2 and White 2), Giratina (Dream Radar with Platinum inserted), Golett (Dream World), Ho-Oh (Dream Radar with HeartGold inserted), Klang (Dream World), Landorus (Dream Radar), Lugia (Dream Radar with SoulSilver inserted), Magnemite (Dream World), Palkia (Dream Radar with Pearl inserted), Porygon (Dream Radar), Staryu (Dream World [BW1 only]/Dream Radar), Thundurus (Dream Radar), Tornadus (Dream Radar), Voltorb (Dream World)

The following Pok�mon have not been made available with their Hidden Abilities:
- Gothita and Klink could arguably be placed in this category, because though later evolutions of each have been made available with their Hidden Abilities, they cannot pass them down.
- This category includes 40 Pok�mon from 22 evolutionary families. (Gothita and Klink are not included in these numbers.)

The Generation 2 starters (Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile); the Generation 5 Starters (Oshawott, Snivy, Tepig); the Elemental Monkeys (Panpour, Pansage, Pansear); the Legendary Birds (Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos); the Legendary Beasts (Entei, Raikou, Suicune); the Legendary Golems (Regice, Regirock, Registeel); Heatran; Larvesta; Litwick; Mewtwo

The following Pok�mon do not have Hidden Abilities (and nor do any Pok�mon in the same evolution family):
- This category includes 72 Pok�mon from 52 evolutionary families.

Arceus, Archen, Azelf, Baltoy, Carnivine, Castform, Celebi, Cherubi, Chingling, Cobalion, Cresselia, Cryogonal, Darkrai, Deino, Deoxys, Duskull, Ferroseed, Gastly, Genesect, Groudon, Jirachi, Kecleon, Keldeo, Koffing, Kyogre, Kyurem, Latias, Latios, Lunatone, Meloetta, Mew, Mesprit, Minun, Misdreavus, Phione, Plusle, Rayquaza, Regigigas, Reshiram, Rotom, Shaymin, Slakoth, Solrock, Terrakion, Tynamo, Unown, Uxie, Victini, Virizion, Yamask, Zekrom, Zorua

That's it. Get posting already~

Hammerite fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2012 around 02:26

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:24

RentCavalier: Jul 10, 2008; I mean, who dreams about taking a shit with another guy?

Oh boy, a shiny new thread! The other one had been around since the first Black and White got released, goodness. I remember when it was new. Ah, memories~!

Great OP.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:29

W.T. Fits: Apr 21, 2010; ... what the fuck is this shit?

So how do I get a female Eevee with its Hidden Ability in Black 2/White 2?

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:43

notthegoatseguy: Sep 6, 2005; I'm a petty asshole

W.T. Fits posted:

So how do I get a female Eevee with its Hidden Ability in Black 2/White 2?

Trade for it. Or the gift in Castelia City (not sure if it can be female)

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:48

Darkoni: Dec 28, 2010

That is one hell of an OP. excellent job.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 16:49

Stalgren: Mar 22, 2006; Charizard Go!

I am quite happy I could supply so many pictures for the OP! It's made my day to see you use so many of them

# ? Nov 12, 2012 17:00

Left Ventricle: Feb 24, 2006; Right aorta

Reposting this from the previous thread. hahahahahah the special stat

Dr Pepper posted:

# ? Nov 12, 2012 17:44

pandaK: May 5, 2011; It's like a fairy circle!

New thread, dispense dancing.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 17:45

Fighting Falken: Aug 13, 2012

Since it's a new thread, I think now would be a good time to share this thing.

It's part of a field guide that this artist is having fun with. It probably borders the line of thinking way too hard about these things, but who cares? It's pretty drat neat and I say it's worth checking out.

http://casteelart.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24

# ? Nov 12, 2012 17:51

Captain Foxy: Jun 13, 2007; I love Hitler and Hitler loves me! He's not all bad, Hitler just needs someone to believe in him! Can't you just give Hitler a chance?

Quality Pugamutes now available, APR/APRI/NKC approved breeder. PM for details.

From the previous thread: Nurse Joy lives off of your pain.

Or she's a robot.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 17:55

Blackbelt Bobman: Jul 17, 2004; If I said I wanted your body, would you let me possess it??

Wow. That OP puts every other thread in Games to shame.

I've been kinda stalling on advancing the plot in my game, to the point that I did the mandatory PWT match and was 8 levels higher than the opponents. Oops.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:02

HoneyBoy: Oct 12, 2012; get murked son

Hey there's that Scraggy gif I posted.

Anyway, I've been doing Rental Master runs a lot lately, even though there's a poo poo reward I still find them really fun and infuriating. At times I get some killer teams like a Sunny Day Chlorophyll Victreebel with Solar Beam and Weather Ball, as well as a Choice Scarf Eruption Typhlosion. Somehow the AI knows it has to shut me down so the first team I battle has a bulky Blastoise in it as well as a god damned Salamence. Other times I get some mediocre 'mons and I manage to pull a win, most recently I remember a team of Snorlax/Steelix/Leafeon that took me all the way to the top. The Snorlax was a Curse RestTalker and Steelix had Curse and Gyro Ball, Leafeon was a Swords Dance variant, steamrolled right through the tournament.

I lose more often than I win, but I still like seeing GF's wacky moveset ideas, like making Carracosta a mixed attacker or Jolteon a physical attacker.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:12

Diet Poison: Jan 20, 2008; Hooch is crazy.

Looking to breed a Hydration Lapras I got. It's going on a rain team so I'm thinking Ice Beam/Thunder/Hydro Pump/Rest for the moveset.
Now, as far as nature goes, Modest or Timid? (the Lapras is Modest, the father is Timid. They both have good stats, so I'll put Everstone on one and Power Anklet on the other, and breed til I'm good in SpA and Speed)
What kind of EV spread should I go for? The theory right now is my Jolteon baton passes Agility to Lapras, so I don't need to max out speed. I'm thinking 252 SpA, 100 Speed. Throw the rest into HP, or SpD?

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:16

Saoshyant: Oct 26, 2010; not one bit

Blackbelt Bobman posted:

That OP puts every other thread in Games to shame.

Never been on the general Steam thread, have you now?

Diet Poison posted:

Now, as far as nature goes, Modest or Timid?

Modest will deal better with most situations, seeing as, if Agility passing fails, even with a Timid nature Lapras isn't going to outrun anything.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:21

Crosscontaminant: Jan 18, 2007

HoneyBoy posted:

At times I get some killer teams like a Sunny Day Chlorophyll Victreebel with Solar Beam and Weather Ball

Gamefreak are such trolls.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:23

Captain Foxy: Jun 13, 2007; I love Hitler and Hitler loves me! He's not all bad, Hitler just needs someone to believe in him! Can't you just give Hitler a chance?

Quality Pugamutes now available, APR/APRI/NKC approved breeder. PM for details.

Fighting Falken posted:

Since it's a new thread, I think now would be a good time to share this thing.

It's part of a field guide that this artist is having fun with. It probably borders the line of thinking way too hard about these things, but who cares? It's pretty drat neat and I say it's worth checking out.

http://casteelart.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24

This is pretty amazing and I just got sucked into looking through all of it. Really love the Kecleon pages.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:24

Voltin Bolt: Oct 17, 2004; IT DOES NOT FIX

I'm trying to Sketch Metronome but it's not working properly, what am I doing wrong here?

I enter a wild double battle with two Pidoves, using an already-asleep lv53 Clefairy (used Rest prior to the battle), and a lv1 Smeargle. Select Metronome and Sketch. Both Pidoves use Quick Attack, Clefairy continues sleeping, Smeargle uses Sketch on Clefairy and it fails?

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:28

Joramun: Nov 30, 2011; I suppose a magician might, but a gentleman never could.

-edit- Nevermind, this apparently only applies to older gens.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:30

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011

Nice job on the new thread Hammerite.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:31

Voltin Bolt: Oct 17, 2004; IT DOES NOT FIX

Yeah I was pasting this as you ninja-edited

Bulbapedia posted:

Generation III

Sketch can now be used to copy Selfdestruct and Explosion when used in a battle with a Pok�mon with the Damp Ability. It can also be used to copy Metronome and Transform, if the move fails to activate due to effects such as sleep; this did not work in Generation II. Struggle and Shadow moves cannot be sketched.

Generation IV and onwards

Same as Generation III, except that, in addition to not being able to copy Struggle, Sketch cannot be used to copy Chatter.

I can't see what I'm doing wrong, unless Clefairy has to fall asleep in the current battle but that would make no sense.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:36

i like tacos: Mar 26, 2010; Ask me about being a liar who doesn't actually like tacos and is a disagreeable asshole

There's so much fan art in the OP. This makes me happy!

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:49

Stalgren: Mar 22, 2006; Charizard Go!

Hooray fanart!

# ? Nov 12, 2012 18:53

Raitzeno: Nov 24, 2007; What? It seemed like
a good idea at the time.

I was a little worried about getting confused as to which thread was holding what discussion, but Broken Loose has helpfully locked the old thread. Thanks, BL! Makes things easier for me.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:02

SolidSnakesBandana: Jul 1, 2007; Infinite ammo

If they made a modern 3D Pokemon MMO, or even non MMO game, it would make a trillionbillion dollars. I'm pretty confused why they seem to be content with the handheld market.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:08

Voltin Bolt: Oct 17, 2004; IT DOES NOT FIX

Okay, I figured it out. It's been changed in Gen 5 so that you can only copy Metronome if it successfully executes

Clefairy used Metronome->Horn Drill, KO'd a Pidove (hahaha), Smeargle Sketched Clefairy and learned Metronome. That makes this a lot easier, blegh.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:13

notthegoatseguy: Sep 6, 2005; I'm a petty asshole

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

If they made a modern 3D Pokemon MMO, or even non MMO game, it would make a trillionbillion dollars. I'm pretty confused why they seem to be content with the handheld market.

Because Game Freak has almost exclusively developed for handheld systems, specifically Nintendo handheld sysytems. The last time they developed anything else was a 1999 PSX game.

And really, MMOs and Pokemon cater to different markets. I have purchased every single handheld Pokemon core game, and at least played most of the spinoffs. I have no desire to play an MMO, even if it was Pokemon. I doubt my computer could handle what most MMOs do. That is an entirely different game format that doesn't appeal to me.

To me, that makes as much logic as making a FPS version of Pokemon.

Now if some spin off MMO game, sure, yeah, go for it and I can ignore it or whatever. And who knows, maybe it'll be good like Conquest was. But I really enjoy how consistently good the core games have been, and wouldn't want GameFreak to take the risk by shifting to an entirely new format of games.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:15

Joramun: Nov 30, 2011; I suppose a magician might, but a gentleman never could.

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

If they made a modern 3D Pokemon MMO, or even non MMO game, it would make a trillionbillion dollars. I'm pretty confused why they seem to be content with the handheld market.

The day Pokemon becomes an MMO is the day I stop playing forever. So I hope it never ever happens.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:18

SolidSnakesBandana: Jul 1, 2007; Infinite ammo

notthegoatseguy posted:

To me, that makes as much logic as making a FPS version of Pokemon.

They did make a First Person Shutter game, and it was excellent.

A bit confused by the reaction to the mention of an MMO. Just because I said MMO I didn't mean 'exactly like WoW' which I guess is what everyone assumed I meant. I always thought Pokemon played very similarly to an MMO in concept, and most if its mechanics could be transferred to a multiplayer setting quite easily. I just want my 3D Pokemon to battle someone else's 3D Pokemon

I know there's Pokemon Stadium/Coliseum but it wasn't enough. Oddly enough the closest game to this formula that I am aware of is Shin Megami Tensei Online. You go around collecting monsters, teaching them moves, and battling them with stuff.

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 19:24

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:18

Suenteus Po: Sep 15, 2007; SOH-Dan

I've started playing Black 2 finally, and am trying to avoid spoilers. But I need to know: Do I need an HM bitch for anything, or is B2 like Black was, where I'll just get random HMs that I never need to use in the main game, and use like twice in sidequests? So far I've been given Cut and Strength, but Cut was only used to get an Ether or something and Strength hasn't been used at all.

If I do need an HM bitch (or if it's just helpful to have one), who's a good one I can catch before he's needed? I'd prefer to catch someone in-game; I've played through plenty of games with Tropius or a hacked dude, and want to play differently this time.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:34

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; mumblecrew

If we're talking about spin-offs, I'd like to see a more traditional 2D fighting game (aka not smash) with Pokemon. I wanna do 720s with Regigigas and work on my Gengar high-low mixups.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:36

Joramun: Nov 30, 2011; I suppose a magician might, but a gentleman never could.

Suenteus Po posted:

I've started playing Black 2 finally, and am trying to avoid spoilers. But I need to know: Do I need an HM bitch for anything, or is B2 like Black was, where I'll just get random HMs that I never need to use in the main game, and use like twice in sidequests? So far I've been given Cut and Strength, but Cut was only used to get an Ether or something and Strength hasn't been used at all.

If I do need an HM bitch (or if it's just helpful to have one), who's a good one I can catch before he's needed? I'd prefer to catch someone in-game; I've played through plenty of games with Tropius or a hacked dude, and want to play differently this time.

Dragonite is the best HM slave in the game (it learns all of them), but you can only get it after the Elite 4 because you need the fishing rod to catch Dragonair. Until then, Basculin and Braviary are good ones. Also keep in mind that while it may not be an HM, you'll need Flash to light up certain caves as well.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:52

Voltin Bolt: Oct 17, 2004; IT DOES NOT FIX

When I was little I always wanted there to be an N64 racing game that utilized Pok�mon from your cartridges like Stadium did

My idea was that you could use their moves via C-Buttons during the race, and different Pok�mon would do better in different terrains (eg rocky mountain trails, all-Flying sky races, swimming) and there would be different tiers for speed too. I still want that game!!

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:54

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Citizen of Zada

Really nice job on the OP(s), Hammerite. You really knocked it out of the park!

Now, I'm still only on my 6th badge in White 2 Challenge mode, and still having a blast! I just added a Lilligant to the team, because for some reason I forgot to catch one. This has been remedied. Now I'm off to catch that lv 35 Volcorona in the Relic Passage with my grossly-underlevelled catching Breloom!

Wish me luck!

# ? Nov 12, 2012 19:57

crazkylo: Dec 20, 2008

Is there still any community for online battle sims, Like Pokemon Online? I got into it with some friends a few years back, but got tired because everyone would just make a full team of legendary Pokemon and sweep the field.

I played through most of Black/White, Beat the elite 4 and then set it down and never did any of the extras. For some reason I just lost all interest after that.

Should I probably go back and do some of that stuff, or just go ahead and grab a copy of B2/W2? I've heard a lot of people say that it is a lot better

# ? Nov 12, 2012 20:03

Diet Poison: Jan 20, 2008; Hooch is crazy.

Suenteus Po posted:

I've started playing Black 2 finally, and am trying to avoid spoilers. But I need to know: Do I need an HM bitch for anything, or is B2 like Black was, where I'll just get random HMs that I never need to use in the main game, and use like twice in sidequests? So far I've been given Cut and Strength, but Cut was only used to get an Ether or something and Strength hasn't been used at all.

If I do need an HM bitch (or if it's just helpful to have one), who's a good one I can catch before he's needed? I'd prefer to catch someone in-game; I've played through plenty of games with Tropius or a hacked dude, and want to play differently this time.

If you give whatever water type you use on your team Surf, and have someone else that knows Strength, that's 99% of it there. Cut is almost exclusively for hidden items (most of which aren't great, there might be a TM or two, just check Bulbapedia when you're looking for those), Dive is only ever used for the Abyssal Ruins to become a millionaire, and Waterfall is needed to get through Victory Road. In the postgame, you're still gonna want to carry a Flyer to get around everywhere.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 20:07

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# ? May 18, 2013 13:01

VaultAggie: Nov 18, 2010; Best out of 71?

Rest in peace old thread.

I still haven't gotten around to playing black/white 2 and with Halo 4 out, it's pretty low on my priorities. Still, I wanna give it a swing and try this new pokestar thing.

# ? Nov 12, 2012 20:08

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