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quote:Is there still any community for online battle sims, Like Pokemon Online? I got into it with some friends a few years back, but got tired because everyone would just make a full team of legendary Pokemon and sweep the field. Pokemon Showdown is the go-to battle simulator nowadays http://pokemonshowdown.com/ Pokemon Online and Shoddy can still be downloaded, but not a whole lot of people are using the few servers still up. Suenteus Po posted:If I do need an HM bitch (or if it's just helpful to have one), who's a good one I can catch before he's needed? I'd prefer to catch someone in-game; I've played through plenty of games with Tropius or a hacked dude, and want to play differently this time. I think you need to use Cut once. Strength and Surf are useful to have in a few parts but not at all necessary. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 20:10 |
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Surf's definitely mandatory in BW2 to get from Undella to Humilau. I'm not sure about the rest, but having them around does make everything more convenient. Azumarill and Skarmory will cover all your HM needs + Flash and are both easy enough to find, pre-credits. VVV Huh, I could've sworn that was blocked off until you reached Humilau. Guess I have a bad memory. Strange Quark fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 20:17 |
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Strange Quark posted:Surf's definitely mandatory in BW2 to get from Undella to Humilau. marine tuuuuuuuuuuube E: Let me clarify that. Surf is not necessary; the Marine Tube, located near the top-center of Undella, is a walking "route" to Humilau. No Surfnanigans necessary. E2: vvv If it gains any EXP, it gains the full EV count. EXP share works too. Raitzeno fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 20:15 |
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So I did some reading on Serebii, and I think it answered most of my questions with regards to EVs. The only one I have is what would switching out in a battle do to impact EV gained. Also, my Hydreigon's nature boosts physical attack, to the point where it would almost be as good as my Sp.Attack fully improved. Do you think it's a good idea to train up his Atk and Spd?
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I loved the story for the first Black/white, but felt that after the E4 was taken care of, that was pretty much it. Does the story continue on after the E4 in B2/W2?SirPhoebos posted:So I did some reading on Serebii, and I think it answered most of my questions with regards to EVs. The only one I have is what would switching out in a battle do to impact EV gained. VVV Skarmory can if I recall. crazkylo fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2012 around 20:24 |
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Strange Quark posted:Azumarill and Skarmory will cover all your HM needs + Flash
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:22 |
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Joramun posted:Neither of them learns Flash. Skarmory does. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w...mory#By_TM.2FHM
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:24 |
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And Flash is a TM now, so it can be erased with a level up move or other TM once you no longer need it.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:25 |
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Huh. I checked the actual Flash page and it didn't list Skarmory. Guess Bulbapedia isn't consistent across different pages.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:26 |
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Oh daaaamn, preparing my entertainment gimmick Moody Metronome Smeargle team just paid off~ While I was running them through the double grass with Clefairy to show them Metronome just now, I found a shiny Pidove  Jolly, Super Luck, appears to have reasonable IVs at first glance. 28–31 HP / 18–26 Atk / 28–31 Def / 31 SpAtk / 4–12 SpDef / 5–13 Speed (of course her confirmed 31 is in SpAtk. Of course.)
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:26 |
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Don't you need to use Surf to get from Humilau to the Seaside Cave, to get to the Plasma Ship?
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:27 |
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Surf is just ruddy useful in general during the main game. There's tons of little waterways to cross for items you won't give a toss about once you're done the E4, as well as some of the TMs. I traded in a surfing Piplup very early on and by the time I got to the E4 he was by far my highest leveled Pokemon. Almost never left my team.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:40 |
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SirPhoebos posted:Also, my Hydreigon's nature boosts physical attack, to the point where it would almost be as good as my Sp.Attack fully improved. Do you think it's a good idea to train up his Atk and Spd? Make it a mixed attacker, that's what mine is. Superpower/U-Turn/Draco Meteor/Fire Blast, all of this gives you great coverage, give him a Life Orb and you're sure to 1-shot like 2 'mons before having to switch out.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 20:42 |
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Countblanc posted:If we're talking about spin-offs, I'd like to see a more traditional 2D fighting game (aka not smash) with Pokemon. I wanna do 720s with Regigigas and work on my Gengar high-low mixups.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 21:14 |
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I'd be pretty down for a Pokémon MMO - the game mechanics lend themselves well to a massively multiplayer format, and being able to verbally insult the dipshits who use the GTS as an extended PC box to show off their hacked shinies is a vast improvement. The reason it won't happen (aside from Gamefreak not having developed a non-handheld game for 13 years) is that Gamefreak hate making things convenient for the player. Every step forward is accompanied by a step back - as soon as they finally implemented trading over the internet, they promptly added some stuff which can only be unlocked if you have a buddy who plays the game and is within punching distance.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 21:33 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:Pokemon Showdown is the go-to battle simulator nowadays http://pokemonshowdown.com/ Pokemon Online and Shoddy can still be downloaded, but not a whole lot of people are using the few servers still up. I really wish the people making these sims would, you know, actually put in support for all the other types of Pokemon battles. They still don't have Double Battles, let alone Triple or Rotation.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 21:33 |
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Dr Pepper posted:I really wish the people making these sims would, you know, actually put in support for all the other types of Pokemon battles. They still don't have Double Battles, let alone Triple or Rotation. My understanding is that Pokemon Online did (does?) have doubles because people ran VGC Stuff on there all the time. I think there was even a Gen-I-with-all-the-glitches too, but I wouldn't know since I only rarely used PO. PO's Wiki (http://wiki.pokemon-online.eu/wiki/...%28simulator%29) makes it seem like even Triples and Rotation are supported.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 21:43 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:My understanding is that Pokemon Online did (does?) have doubles because people ran VGC Stuff on there all the time. I think there was even a Gen-I-with-all-the-glitches too, but I wouldn't know since I only rarely used PO. PO's Wiki (http://wiki.pokemon-online.eu/wiki/...%28simulator%29) makes it seem like even Triples and Rotation are supported. Pokemon online has double and triple (and are working on Rotation iirc) and is generally easier to use than Showdown.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 21:47 |
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crazkylo posted:I loved the story for the first Black/white, but felt that after the E4 was taken care of, that was pretty much it. Does the story continue on after the E4 in B2/W2? Yup, there's about three-four cities/towns to access, and if you did Memory Link with your previous game, it'll continue flashbacks. There's a revitalized White Forest/Black Tower where you can battle trainers to level up, and a bunch of other stuff I'm probably forgetting. Plus legendaries and certain scripts in the PokeStar Studios.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:00 |
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The only Issue I really had with Pokemon online, was that me and my friends where banned fairly frequently. We liked to turn pokemon that shouldn't reasonably be able to sweep into powerhouses. My favorite thing to do was take Cloyster with Skill Link and give it a King's Rock to hold. Use Rock Blast which would always hit 5 times and caused flinching about 60-70% of the time. This is what caused me to get banned the most, for "Flinch hacking"
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:01 |
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crazkylo posted:My favorite thing to do was take Cloyster with Skill Link and give it a King's Rock to hold. Use Rock Blast which would always hit 5 times and caused flinching about 60-70% of the time. This is what caused me to get banned the most, for "Flinch hacking" This is just hilarious. So, like, the admins of the server didn't realize that King's Rock exists?
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:05 |
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Dr Pepper posted:This is just hilarious. Mind you, in the Pokémon community "hax" means dumb luck, not actual hacking. Using King's Rock is by definition using flinch hax.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:18 |
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drat, that is one hell of an OP. Good work, Hammerite.Sworder posted:Don't you need to use Surf to get from Humilau to the Seaside Cave, to get to the Plasma Ship?
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:23 |
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Competitive play in every game is weird, because the ideal is that you should just be able to slap the game in and go to town. People in favor of stuff like Double Team generally fall into this camp (assuming they're actually talking about competitive play). However, issues arise when the game just doesn't play very well completely unrestrained. This is why things like ban lists and erratas exist for card games - something that seemed like a good idea at the time might be exposed to be terrible in practice (again, specifically for competitive play). To talk about Double Team again, since it's the example everyone is most familiar with, it leads to some pretty shonky play. It isn't fun to miss a bunch of turns in a row after someone sets up a bunch of DT stacks since you can easily argue it's your fault for not Hazing him earlier or whatever, but the bigger issue is when a single DT (or bright powder or whatever) triggers the unlikely chance that you miss at a key moment. And then it happens again. And then maybe again. What's more, DT is super available for a huge number of pokemon, so it actually makes the currently-strong things even MORE strong. Smogon's tier lists are an attempt to make sure you don't have Garchomp fighting Wigglytuff, but things would be even more out of whack than that. Obviously I can't talk for that dude's story, but I just wanted to nip the whole "but it's in the game" thing in the bud before it went down that route.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:27 |
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I also always give my Metagross an Air Balloon to hold. It says quite clearly in the text box that "Metagross is floating on an Air Balloon!" but they swap into their fastest pokemon that knows earthquake and goes to town, only to be greeted with something like "It dosen't effect Metagross". People would again, fly off the handle and accuse me of hacking the game. 
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:28 |
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crazkylo posted:I also always give my Metagross an Air Balloon to hold. It says quite clearly in the text box that "Metagross is floating on an Air Balloon!" but they swap into their fastest pokemon that knows earthquake and goes to town, only to be greeted with something like "It dosen't effect Metagross". I just recently fell into this trap against someone from #pokegoons in a wifi battle. His pokemon had an Air Balloon, I wasn't paying attention cause I was reading other poo poo, I used Earthquake (or was it Bulldoze? mighta been my Azumarill) and probably lost the match because of the wasted first turn. However, I know what an Air Balloon is, I've seen the message come up before Colress' Klinklang has one postgame, at the very least, and I looked at it and started laughing - I hosed up because I wasn't paying attention, and it really was pretty funny. I don't have any problem with such a thing. That was my own stupid fault, and the Air Balloon isn't even that obnoxious, since it clearly states it and literally anything not Ground will remove the protection. Just think of it as an anti-Earthquake Focus Sash.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:45 |
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I don't really the the Air Balloon is a controversial item though.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:47 |
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The only thing I don't like about Air Balloon is it announces to your opponent your held item. Though I guess, in some form, if Leftovers is activated or a berry is eaten or whatnot, that is similarly announced. But it isn't like there is ever a message that "This Pokemon will gently caress up your poo poo because it is holding a Choice Band!"
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:57 |
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So what do the play coins do in Dream Radar? I just bought the game today and I'm not sure how everything works in it.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 22:59 |
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They instantly sets the number of clouds to max.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:01 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:The only thing I don't like about Air Balloon is it announces to your opponent your held item. Though I guess, in some form, if Leftovers is activated or a berry is eaten or whatnot, that is similarly announced. But it isn't like there is ever a message that "This Pokemon will gently caress up your poo poo because it is holding a Choice Band!" From what I've seen almost everyone ignores it, either just reading too quick, or immediately thinking "LOOK, METAGROSS! I NEED AN EARTH MOVE!". It usually only works once, but the results are always hilarious.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:06 |
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One problem with the Air Balloon is that the announcement is not given if it's held by the second or third pokemon in a rotation battle team. The automatic weather abilities don't activate in those cases either, nor Intimidate.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:19 |
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Bongo Bill posted:One problem with the Air Balloon is that the announcement is not given if it's held by the second or third pokemon in a rotation battle team. The automatic weather abilities don't activate in those cases either, nor Intimidate. Rotation battles are really weird, and they definitely need to work out some of the kinks if they want it to be as "respected" as doubles are. I dunno if everything you said was a design choice or an oversight, but it seems pretty crappy either way.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:24 |
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Bongo Bill posted:One problem with the Air Balloon is that the announcement is not given if it's held by the second or third pokemon in a rotation battle team. The automatic weather abilities don't activate in those cases either, nor Intimidate. And I was thinking how weird it was that I always got screwed over by Magnezones with Air Balloons in the PWT's Rotation battles. Turns out I wasn't being dumb and misreading! 
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:27 |
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Bongo Bill posted:One problem with the Air Balloon is that the announcement is not given if it's held by the second or third pokemon in a rotation battle team. The automatic weather abilities don't activate in those cases either, nor Intimidate.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:29 |
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Bongo Bill posted:One problem with the Air Balloon is that the announcement is not given if it's held by the second or third pokemon in a rotation battle team. The automatic weather abilities don't activate in those cases either, nor Intimidate. Yeah, the weather thing is some straight up bullshit. Or, at least it is the first time you do a rotation battle and put your drought ninetales in second position. So much for my sun team then. I just had the harshest loss in PWT. It came down to me against Volkner in the final round and it turns out if my ground dude gets murdered early on, my team doesn't have a hope in hell against electric types. BUT I persevered, and, down to one on one, Jolteon on Jolteon, both with Volt Absorb. Well, poo poo. My Jolteon's only attacking move is Thunder. I'd spammed the hell out of Double Team AND mine holds a Brightpowder (well aware that this makes me a dick, but gently caress the computer). Hoped I could get it down to struggle vs struggle, but in about 8 turns he was able to get two Shadow Balls in. Dang.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:29 |
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I think after getting caved in repeatedly in the PWT, I just resorted to using a setup Durant team. Initially, I bred the team up for Battle Subway use, but apparently it also cleans house in singles PWT.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:35 |
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Since we're talking about Battle Subway/PWT, does the AI have a counter for Wondertomb? I always heard that Fire Fang went through regardless, but that apparently was only true in Gen 3 and 4. Entry hazards, poison and weather are really the only things that can hurt it, yeah?
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:52 |
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Left Ventricle posted:Since we're talking about Battle Subway/PWT, does the AI have a counter for Wondertomb? I always heard that Fire Fang went through regardless, but that apparently was only true in Gen 3 and 4. Entry hazards, poison and weather are really the only things that can hurt it, yeah? You're forgetting Mold Breaker, which did exist in Gen IV too.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2012 23:53 |
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So is there a group of goons who play Pokemon Showdown or whatever the flavor-of-the-day simulator is? Back when DP came out, I raised a whole party from scratch, bred for IVs, EV'd 'em up, but the next time I wanted a new team, I couldn't bear to breed them all over again, so I hacked in a bunch of pre-IV'd Pokemon, EV'd 'em up... And the next time I wanted a new team, I just said "gently caress this" and hacked in fully EV'd/IV'd Pokemon and never touched another egg ever again. I really like Pokemon as a game, but I can't stand the grind associated with the real games, and I refuse to associate with the typical Smogon spergs anymore. Is there a quick and easy way to just jump straight to the meat of the game with other goons? There really isn't another game like it, I love the concept of a competitive turn-based RPG and I wish it was a more common thing.
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