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Countblanc posted:Serperior is RU, and is going to be OU (or Uber) when Contrary hits! I actually kind of doubt Serperior's going to climb to OU when he gets Contrary. It's a fantastic ability, but his movepool is so thin that he basically can't really do anything with it. He'll definitely rise out of NU, but even at +6 SpAtk, he's still too easy to wall.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:04 |
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| # ? May 25, 2013 14:23 |
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Main Paineframe posted:It was actually UU in Gen 4.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:06 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I actually kind of doubt Serperior's going to climb to OU when he gets Contrary. It's a fantastic ability, but his movepool is so thin that he basically can't really do anything with it. He'll definitely rise out of NU, but even at +6 SpAtk, he's still too easy to wall. Well, at +6, Leaf storm hits harder than any dragon with outrage and at a +2. And with a scarf, Serperior outspeeds... pretty much everything it will ever need to? Granted, grass can be absorbed, or double resisted (Ferrothorn!) but it can also be SE sometimes, which can usually cancel out some resists (Garchomp, Excadrill)
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:11 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I actually kind of doubt Serperior's going to climb to OU when he gets Contrary. It's a fantastic ability, but his movepool is so thin that he basically can't really do anything with it. He'll definitely rise out of NU, but even at +6 SpAtk, he's still too easy to wall. Well, with Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse, and Hidden Power Fire Contrary Serperior can hit everything at least neutrally. And with +2 or even +4 that's going to hurt.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:16 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Well, with Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse, and Hidden Power Fire Contrary Serperior can hit everything at least neutrally. And with +2 or even +4 that's going to hurt. Except Heatran. Heatran counters Serperior so hard...
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:19 |
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Right I forgot about Heatran.  Use Hidden Power Fighting and you hit everything but Shedinja at least neutrally.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 01:20 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Right I forgot about Heatran. It also means you get walled by Celebi and Jirachi. Fire beats them outside of the rain but loses to Heatran. Ground beats Heatran and Jirachi but loses to Celebi and Ferrothorn and no matter what you run you're walled by Chansey and Blissey. Contrary Serperior will be BL at best.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 02:02 |
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How viable would Contrary Serperior be at Baton Passing?
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| # ? May 25, 2013 02:33 |
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WrightOfWay posted:It also means you get walled by Celebi and Jirachi. Fire beats them outside of the rain but loses to Heatran. Ground beats Heatran and Jirachi but loses to Celebi and Ferrothorn and no matter what you run you're walled by Chansey and Blissey. Contrary Serperior will be BL at best. Well, for Blissey at least, Serperior can 2HKO from +6, or from +4 with choice specs. 3HKO for Eviolite Chansey, or 2HKO with Specs The rest is fine though. Heatran and ferrothorn are almost invincible to the main gun, while Celebi and Jirachi are capable of survivng long enough to ruin its day pretty hard. Serperior is bulky, but it's not that bulky. Especially not with a grass typing. So yeah, with Choice specs, it has enough raw power to require a counter, with choice scarf you need priority to outspeed it, and in the mean time it's building up power. Also, it's countered by Scizor. Basically, its problem is that all of its counters are already firmly established in the metagame.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 02:34 |
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Gensuki posted:Well, at +6, Leaf storm hits harder than any dragon with outrage and at a +2. The problem is that Contrary Serperior is very predictable for his first couple of moves, since it requires a Leaf Storm boost to do decent damage, and the only non-Grass special moves it has are a lot weaker than Leaf Storm is. When your foe sends in Serperior, you're practically guaranteed a free switch-in for anything that resists Grass. Even if the opponent predicts the switch and uses a coverage move instead, it won't do much damage without boosts. The fact that the first Leaf Storm is so necessary opens up a vital opportunity for the Serperior's foe to do something about it.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 03:10 |
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Main Paineframe posted:The problem is that Contrary Serperior is very predictable for his first couple of moves, since it requires a Leaf Storm boost to do decent damage, and the only non-Grass special moves it has are a lot weaker than Leaf Storm is. When your foe sends in Serperior, you're practically guaranteed a free switch-in for anything that resists Grass. Even if the opponent predicts the switch and uses a coverage move instead, it won't do much damage without boosts. The fact that the first Leaf Storm is so necessary opens up a vital opportunity for the Serperior's foe to do something about it. Of course, if you don't make him Contrary, you'll most likely be able to get off a free Coil because your opponent will think you are. After all, only a lunatic would run an Adamant Coil/Leaf Blade/Dragon Tail/Substitute set when Contrary Leaf Storm is available. 
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| # ? May 25, 2013 05:32 |
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Strange Quark posted:How viable would Contrary Serperior be at Baton Passing? It doesn't learn Baton Pass. And if you mean Baton Passing to it, Contrary doesn't change stat boosts or drops after the fact. So if you pass it a Speed boost for example, it would receive the same boost as a non-Contrary Pokemon would. Joramun fucked around with this message at May 25, 2013 around 08:37 |
| # ? May 25, 2013 08:34 |
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On Alakazam: As far as I can tell, he got bumped off his throne when Gen IV hit. In part that's because the Physical/Special split turned his type coverage from 'pretty drat good' to 'decent if you don't mind iffy moves'. But I think the other bit to take into account there is that's also the generation where Porygon-Z came along, with an equal special attack, Adaptability to turn his STAB staple from 'approximately equal' to 'holy poo poo', and a movelist that any special attacker could only dream of. I guess what I'm saying is that Porygon-Z is amazing in every way he could ever need to be.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 09:28 |
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Nah, that's not it. Alakazam hasn't been OU since gen I, he's back there now for the first time since. Porygon-Z was BL in gen IV, and UU now.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 09:33 |
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Alakazam also has Magic Guard, which basically cemented his place in OU.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 13:50 |
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| # ? May 25, 2013 14:23 |
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That ability is not always a guaranteed ticket there, though. Of the four FE Pokemon that can have Magic Guard, only poor Clefable isn't OU.
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| # ? May 25, 2013 14:01 |
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