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Hogburto posted:Could an explosion of this size have resulted from an attempted arson if someone poured gasoline throughout the entire house and by the time they were satisfied that it wouldn't be saved and lit the thing, it was saturated with gas vapors? Surely that would fall under 'bomb sniffing dogs didn't detect anything'? Also, it's not really 'attempted' arson if you blow something up. My bet is on some kind of demon/elemental summoning gone awry.
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Cryptic Edge posted:Doesn't mean he's wrong. It's a lot harder to get a natural gas explosion than one would think. As someone who has set off many natural gas fires, it's pretty easy. If there's any air movement the right mix is going to happen a lot of times, a lot of places. ETA: these fires were mostly inside of things designed to be full of fire Aggressive pricing fucked around with this message at Nov 15, 2012 around 02:52 |
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Wario In Real Life posted:How does stuff like this happen and the people inside the house at the time not die? The pictures are usually from when the placed is completely burned up the next day. I guess if you survived the initial explosion you would have time to run out before it completely burned up.
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Telemaze posted:That's assuming quite a lot, isn't it? The cat was boarded because they were going to be away for three days, so that's not particularly uncommon. I must be a lousy cat owner, then. We often go away for 3 days at a time and just leave the cats home with a couple clean litter boxes and lots of food and water. We come home and the cats don't even seem to notice we were gone. The dog gets kenneled, since he can't walk himself several times a day and he'd eat all the food we left out for him on the first day. But the cats? Eh. They're cats, they don't give a poo poo.
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How the hell could you conclusively rule out anything from what's left of the charred foundations of those two houses? Okay, chemical analysis, but how do they rule out gas explosions?
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Has Fringe division been called in yet?
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What about a meteorite?
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| # ? Nov 15, 2012 02:59 |
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I thought Walt ran away to New Hampshire, not Indiana.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Sucrose posted:How the hell could you conclusively rule out anything from what's left of the charred foundations of those two houses? They might be able to figure out exactly where it was set off or find residue from any chemicals that may have been present.
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Breaky posted:What about a meteorite? A meteorite would be pretty easy to distinguish by how directional the explosion was and the impact crater, I'd think.
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Thing I would figure would be the case is a small plane, as there is a small airport about a mile east of where this happened.
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Rirse posted:Thing I would figure would be the case is a small plane, as there is a small airport about a mile east of where this happened.
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Sucrose posted:How the hell could you conclusively rule out anything from what's left of the charred foundations of those two houses? Okay, chemical analysis, but how do they rule out gas explosions? I'd imagine you would need a literal poo poo-ton of gas to create an explosion of that size, and if nobody smelled gas (even after it blew up) I think it's pretty easy to rule out.
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Rirse posted:Thing I would figure would be the case is a small plane, as there is a small airport about a mile east of where this happened.
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Rirse posted:Thing I would figure would be the case is a small plane, as there is a small airport about a mile east of where this happened. Wouldn't there be obvious debris from a plane in the wreckage? Also, 'everything' includes airplanes crashing, so it's certainly ruled out.
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Troublemaker posted:I must be a lousy cat owner, then. We often go away for 3 days at a time and just leave the cats home with a couple clean litter boxes and lots of food and water. We come home and the cats don't even seem to notice we were gone. I'm not going to get in a cat care argument here but really, it's not unusual for people to board their cats for a long weekend, especially if the cat eats soft food exclusively or needs regular medication. Even on short vacations I need to have someone cat-sit because my younger cat needs soft food due to a wonky jaw (from being hit by a car before I adopted him). I don't think it's some super bizarre fact that means the family must have been planning it, that's all.
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I don't normally get attached to news stories, but I've been following this one pretty closely from the beginning because so far nobody can provide an explanation. I'm sure it'll take some time to figure out. My best  guess was that one home-owner was trying to eek out some insurance money, broke a gas line in the basement level of the house and left some type of heater or some slow ignition source in the upper levels of the house then bam! I'm betting that in this case truth is stranger than fiction when it all plays out.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I'd imagine you would need a literal poo poo-ton of gas to create an explosion of that size, and if nobody smelled gas (even after it blew up) I think it's pretty easy to rule out. Gas hasn't been ruled out. In fact, that's what they're leaning towards as an explanation.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I'd imagine you would need a literal poo poo-ton of gas to create an explosion of that size, and if nobody smelled gas (even after it blew up) I think it's pretty easy to rule out. If the house was r2000 and all the windows were closed no gas would get out for the neighbours to smell. That explosion had more than enough force to either trip the meter's shut off or bend the piping to stop gas flow after the blast.
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I'm putting my money on hairspray cans in the microwave, just like in She-Devil.
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Good Citizen posted:A meteorite would be pretty easy to distinguish by how directional the explosion was and the impact crater, I'd think. I thought impact craters like that were non-directional? Like the big Arizona crater? Or am I just remembering stuff oddly.
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Good Citizen posted:This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZVyBbDFPE#t=93s Judging by her body language I believe this woman is an amateur demonologist. She summoned a demon* but was unable to properly control or banish it. She fled the home, taking her cat and child. Maybe she was going to look for help, or maybe she was hoping it would just go away. With the cat gone the mice came out in full force, scurrying around looking for crumbs dropped in the hasty evacuation. All the scurrying damaged the circle of protection enough that the now very bored and/or angry demon* was able to act, explosively starting the fire that would destroy the circle of protection and free the creature to return home. I'm not saying this lady did anything wrong, but has anyone tried dunking her in a pond to see if she floats? I'm just asking questions. *or possibly a fire elemental e:f,b 
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This guy should be brought in to investigate.
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Is it possible this is due to fracking building up gas in the ground/pipes? Natural gas has no smell until it's processed...
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Wouldn't there be obvious debris from a plane in the wreckage? I think he was joking. Like all the metorite theories!
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Relin posted:Is it possible this is due to fracking building up gas in the ground/pipes? Natural gas has no smell until it's processed... The last time I read up on it, they only do fracking in southern Indiana. There isn't much in the way of rocks in the rest of Indiana.
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Rirse posted:This happened around midnight. Can tell since the dogs suddenly just started barking at random at something outside and about ten minutes later the news was already covering the story. It was just after 11pm on Saturday that reports started coming in. I followed the Marion County Fire and Rescue scanner as soon as the news started covering it. Apparently they had to evacuate the entire neighborhood to a nearby elementary school for the night while they investigated. The area surrounding the explosion was an inferno, you could see the flames in the dark of night from miles away. Google "pics of Indianapolis explosion" if you have morbid curiosity, this was not a small explosion.
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Breaky posted:I thought impact craters like that were non-directional? Like the big Arizona crater? Or am I just remembering stuff oddly. I'm pretty sure you're right about impact craters always being round. I recall a blurb about testing it by tossing things at a box of sand from different angles. Also, there is no sign of a crater in the pics. This might be more of a Tunguska thing.
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APRIL FOO--
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A house destroyed for each generational quarterback drafted.
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Breaky posted:I thought impact craters like that were non-directional? Like the big Arizona crater? Or am I just remembering stuff oddly. On the other hand, there's no crater here. Airbursts from meteorites tend to be very non-circular. They can even be non-elliptical, there are ways to make lobed patterns -- the Tunguska zone of knocked down trees was described as "outstretched butterfly wings". So in the crazy unlikely event that a meteorite came straight it, survived all the way to 50 feet above the ground (yet was unseen by anyone), and airbursted directly above this house, it could have been circular. I think it's safe to rule out any meteorite or impact event. Relin posted:Is it possible this is due to fracking building up gas in the ground/pipes? Natural gas has no smell until it's processed...
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I think the obvious question here is exactly how much RDX did this guy make? A gas leak isn't going to vaporize two houses and then demolish even more.
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I think it went something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephT...feature=related
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Well this was inevitably going to start happening sooner or later. You see the LHC actually causes local distortions in spacetime, which can lead to spontaneous creation of anti-matter in small amounts. As you all know anti-matter reacts explosively with normal matter, leading to the kind of devastation you see here. Up until now we've been lucky and these events have occured either deep within the earth's crust or in uninhabited regions, but now for the first time it's happened in a populated area for the whole world to see. We have to shut down the LHC and stop all science forever, or this will just keep happening. Seriously though this is really terrible and I hope they work out what caused the explosion. ubachung fucked around with this message at Nov 15, 2012 around 04:20 |
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From all the things they've ruled out plus the huge strength of the concussion, it almost sounds like a meteorite is the most likely culprit. Otherwise we're talking about the mother of all gas leaks.
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SevenSixTwoX39 posted:I think the obvious question here is exactly how much RDX did this guy make? A gas leak isn't going to vaporize two houses and then demolish even more. It would if the subdivision was built over an explosive haunted Indian burial ground.  
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Prettz posted:From all the things they've ruled out plus the huge strength of the concussion, it almost sounds like a meteorite is the most likely culprit. Otherwise we're talking about the mother of all gas leaks. Edit:somebody get the mythbusters on natural gas house explosions goddamnit
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I wish I could tell you how to blow up your houses but the fine is $50,000 and I'd prabably go to jail. 
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I'd bet on a gas leak. A weather-tight McMansion with the right mixture of gas and air makes for a pretty big bomb. Just because no one smelled gas doesn't mean it wasn't a leak; it dissipates pretty quickly in the open and if the house is well-sealed, not much is going to escape, and it probably wouldn't be noticeable from outside unless someone was right next to a leaky door or window. Heck, my neighbor just about blew up our condo building once when she turned on the gas on a stove burner without lighting it and then she and her boyfriend passed out in front of the TV. Neither of them ever smelled a thing even though the odor inside was strong enough to make your eyes water. As thick as it was, and as old and leaky as the building is, you still couldn't smell anything from outside until you were right next to their front door; the gas company guy only figured out where the leak was by checking the meters to see which one was running. If I hadn't smelled it leaking through my drywall and called the gas company, it's likely no one would have known the place was full of gas until one of them woke up and lit a cigarette.
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loving aliens, man. It's starting. They want us to panic. They want us to wonder. And one day we will know.
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