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Cryptic Edge posted:Well see myth busters is a bad citation to illogical people because when the myth doesn't work they ramp up the scenario until they make it work so you can see just how wrong the myth was. Some people don't see that as scientific because they kept going on with it rather than stoping, even though it's pretty raw science to find out how to make it work like you expected it to so long as it doesn't change the results of the original experiments. Mythbusters is a bad citation because their experiments are terrible a lot of the time.
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When investigators say they've ruled out a gas line break, they mean external to the house. The most likely cause of the explosion is still a gas leak inside the house.
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Paulywallywalrus posted:Hmmmm, interesting. "bomb" is an extremely subjective term to throw around. They cannot just take that possibility off the table. You could theoretically string a really powerful bomb together by using household cleaning bottles as vessels for whatever you are making your bomb with. Not to mention the wonderful array of goods you could fill them with that would ready be in your home. Bonus points would be that the bomb would be likely to destroy what you held your explosive in. Maybe better if you can use large dark class containers. I hope it's not a bomb. When we had a house bombs and acts of terrorism weren't covered by our insurance.  It would be a shame if the final explanation of the damage was something that left most of that damage not covered by insurance.
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GotLag posted:When investigators say they've ruled out a gas line break, they mean external to the house. The most likely cause of the explosion is still a gas leak inside the house. The explosion is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE.  also Wikipedia posted:...gas found an unknown ignition source....  gently caress sentient propane
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Really if you look at it it was almost definitely propane/natural gas building up in the house until it reached sufficient concentration, and then exploding due to a spark or something. They could have left a stove on or turned off the pilot in the furnace and overridden the safety. With a gas/air explosion, there's basically just a giant fireball and then it burns itself out right away, often times without even lighting much of anything else on fire. Whereas a tank fire would have to burn for a while. With flammable gasses, there's a certain minimum concentration where it won't ignite no matter what you do, but once you get above that concentration even a little spark will cause the whole thing to "burn" very rapidly (i.e explosively). For it to be a water heater, they would have had to have disabled the thermostat and the pressure release, and I don't think it would have made as big an explosion. Water heaters do explode from time-to-time but they it doesn't usually flatten a house. You can see in this article, the heater apparently flew 135 yards but it just tore a big hole in the roof: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...aterheater.html
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Water heater explosions also spread water and steam all around them, so tend not to start fires.
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GotLag posted:Water heater explosions also spread water and steam all around them, so tend not to start fires. I disagree - here's my proof, better than Mythbusters And there you can see my forensic evidence that clearly weighs in for a directed space meteorite attack. permabanned fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2012 around 02:01 |
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Somebody in the house most likely just leveled a Goliath up to Godlike and got the poo poo smashed out of them.
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evensevenone posted:
I agree it wasn't the water heater but never underestimate stupidity. More than one person has said, "Oh, what's this dripping tube? It must be broken, I'll just cap it. That'll save me some trouble!".
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ryan8723 posted:Fracking has been used for the better part of 60 years now. Injecting poo poo into a well to both increase pressure and fracture the rocks to create more pathways for oil and gas to flow has been part of well drilling and completion for a long time. They're literally producing such a huge abundance of gas that they're driving themselves out of business. Financial and energy news sites are littered with instances of this recently. Coincidentally, this is also the reason why the coal industry is suffering greatly. Natural gas is murdering it. ryan8723 posted:If proper well completion procedures are followed, fraccing won't be a problem at all. ryan8723 posted:People complain about fraccing poisoning groundwater and such with dangerous chemicals, but they don't realize that unrefined petroleum and natural gas are full of things that are every bit as bad as the fraccing chemicals and in quantities that utterly dwarf the fraccing chemicals. ryan8723 posted:If you're worried about fraccing, you may as well be worried about traditional oil wells. ryan8723 posted:As someone who works in the environmental industry, there are very strict regulations about what oil companies can and can't do with regards to wells in the Continental US (off shore wells don't have as many regulations). Right now gas companies are using federal and state government to override property rights to get access to shale fields that local governments and residents want blocked. ryan8723 posted:They will be shutdown if they are found to not have followed the regulations. ryan8723 posted:Sure some companies will always try and skirt the rules, but by and large they don't because many of the rules actually improve efficiency once the well starts producing (that is proper well completion will good casing and cement will ensure that all of the oil will be recovered rather than having it leach into the surrounding rock. ryan8723 posted:This wasn't caused by fraccing, but could have been caused by faulty gas lines, which are prone to corrosion.
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Looks a lot like when a house near me growing up had a massive gas leak that got sparked. Blew an astonishing hole in the ground. It was really impressive and scary.
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spastic_crunch posted:Maybe she boards the cat all the time, and its a complete poo poo of a cat. Why is everyone overlooking the obvious answer? The cat did it.
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Why is everyone overlooking the obvious answer? The cat did it. So obvious, it was suggested in the post originally quoted by the post that you quoted!
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thexerox123 posted:So obvious, it was suggested in the post originally quoted by the post that you quoted! Clearly I am not the kind of detective you'd want on this case. 
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Clearly I am not the kind of detective you'd want on this case. Actually, we like the cut of your jib. You'd fit right in amongst the fine brotherhood of American arson investigators.
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Frozen Horse posted:Actually, we like the cut of your jib. You'd fit right in amongst the fine brotherhood of American arson investigators. Especially alongside some of the arson detectives in Texas, what with their history of keen investigative prowess. Let's hope the Indianapolis arson investigators aren't taking pointers from their colleagues in Corsicana, lest we end up with an innocent cat being executed because a water heater in the basement of a meth lab exploded after being struck by a meteorite filled with natural gas.
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Isn't the big problem with fraccing more to do with the fact that it was exempted from the clean water act by Dickhead Cheney? My understanding was because of this there are no standards they are currently held to and just drill however they feel like and this is why groundwater that was fine before is being poisoned once the fraccing starts. EDIT: Haha I love how the one video on youtube that seems to be trying to debunk/take issue with the documentary GasLand was uploaded by user "NatGasNow" and has comments and ratings turned off. OOOOOH I WONDER WHY HMM? ApexAftermath fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2012 around 04:29 |
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ApexAftermath posted:Isn't the big problem with fraccing more to do with the fact that it was exempted from the clean water act by Dickhead Cheney? My understanding was because of this there are no standards they are currently held to and just drill however they feel like and this is why groundwater that was fine before is being poisoned once the fraccing starts. The standards are there in law, but they're selectively enforced against the small fries and those who didn't pay. But it could be worse; in China the regulatory laws are enforced only against those without family links to The Party, and ignored entirely for those with.
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ah gently caress this derail
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Why is everyone overlooking the obvious answer? The cat did it. It was actually a conspiracy between the cat, the cat boarding people, a demon, a fire elemental, fairies, aliens, and reverse vampires. That house never had a chance.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2012 05:47 |
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Look I know we're all just speculating here but my theory is that it was an explosion of some sort.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2012 06:15 |
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Hah, that's just what they want you to think.
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I think the main reason people are blaming the woman who was out of her home is that they seem to be lacking a logical reason why this would have happened. The professionals have ruled out everything already. If no normal conditions could have caused this then the first thing you would do is investigate who benefits from it, and 'insurance fraud' is tantalizing. Also psychologically speaking having bad things attributable to someone is more comforting than "random freak accident that could happen unexpectedly anywhere" Who's going to start the betting pool on the cause of this? edit: have we been on derails for a full page now? Hm. What I meant to say is fracking is good, guys. Deus Rex Machina fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2012 around 06:33 |
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Noahdraron posted:Look I know we're all just speculating here but my theory is that it was an explosion of some sort. Maybe it was a very fine but extremely messy dismantling. No one needs to be throwing around violent words like "explosion". Crawley Heat fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2012 around 08:00 |
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I think I can clear a lot of this up, first I used to work (as a secretarial assistant) for a forensic explosive investigator, so I've actually seen a lot of this kind of thing, especially with the state of the economy being what it is. We already know the home owner had financial trouble and was gambling, it's quite possible they were stealing municipal drain covers for their scrap metal value. Some of these are bimetallic and you get the most money for them if you can seperate them out, few people realise just how dangerous this is with the latest anti-theft devices that are now being fitted, here is one example of attempted drqain cover theft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJCAh7jMFQ#t=42s 
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ops article posted:It must be a bomb. I kindof want to punch the journalist in the face for this
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Deus Rex Machina posted:The professionals have ruled out everything already. If no normal conditions could have caused this then the first thing you would do is investigate who benefits from it, and 'insurance fraud' is tantalizing. That might work in the court of public opinion but it's not going to work in a real court of law. Also, you'd have to be a lovely investigator to start to focus just on insurance fraud since it could allow you to miss other clues about what really happened if it wasn't.
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Obsurveyor posted:That might work in the court of public opinion but it's not going to work in a real court of law. Also, you'd have to be a lovely investigator to start to focus just on insurance fraud since it could allow you to miss other clues about what really happened if it wasn't. Yep, the reason they say they have no idea and start with a 'clean slate' is so that none of their personal preconceptions blinker them and prevent them from actually figuring out what happened.
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Noahdraron posted:Look I know we're all just speculating here but my theory is that it was an explosion of some sort. Fool, it was an implosion that imploded so hard that it sent everything flying outwards in shock. Few people realize water-heaters now-a-days are powered by potential black holes. It's all the result of that durned Hadron Collider.
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Wow this is crazy I live in Indianapolis and only heard about this yesterday. If it was a "CIA" drone there would have been shrapnel found, unless the FBI and ATF are covering it up. Which they have done worse things so I wouldn't put it past them. Even for a meth lab explosion this seems a little excessive right? Im mean im not a meth lab expert but drat! That is a massive explosion.
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Incursus posted:If it was a "CIA" drone there would have been shrapnel found, unless the FBI and ATF are covering it up. They could have used a cellulose-cased bomb with a DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive) warhead. I tell ya, man, CIA is fuckin' with us; one minute Petraeus is emailin' some non-bulldog lookin' skirt half his age, next minute they're droppin' fuckin ghost bombs on Indianapolis just because they can.
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Incursus posted:Wow this is crazy I live in Indianapolis and only heard about this yesterday. If it was a "CIA" drone there would have been shrapnel found, unless the FBI and ATF are covering it up. Which they have done worse things so I wouldn't put it past them. Even for a meth lab explosion this seems a little excessive right? Im mean im not a meth lab expert but drat! That is a massive explosion. I know this isn't serious, but drones don't carry large bombs.
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Godholio posted:I know this isn't serious, but drones don't carry large bombs. An SDB would be more than enough to demolish a suburban house, and if a drone can carry a pair of hellfires and the launch rails, it can carry a 250 pound bomb. It's also the Air Force's newest toy so of course they'd want to use it to destroy the secret military payroll office or whatever the gently caress it was. The drone bombing theory is the most retarded theory though.
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Godholio posted:I know this isn't serious, but drones don't carry large bombs. Totally just a side note, it's a stupid theory, but Reaper drones do. edit: Actually you probably know this but aren't calling 500lbs "large" which would make sense. Squiggle fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2012 around 21:10 |
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Incursus posted:Wow this is crazy I live in Indianapolis and only heard about this yesterday. If it was a "CIA" drone there would have been shrapnel found, unless the FBI and ATF are covering it up. Which they have done worse things so I wouldn't put it past them. Even for a meth lab explosion this seems a little excessive right? Im mean im not a meth lab expert but drat! That is a massive explosion. Because essentially it was a house-sized bomb. You are trapping gasses in an enclosed, nearly air-tight place, so when it goes off the rapid expansion of air and heat force everything outward, its the only place for the expanding matter to go. A common analogy is a firecracker- explode one on your palm and it might sting a second. Clench your fist with one and you'll be going to the hospital. A dropped bomb would have produced much different blast damage than what you see in the pics, regardless of size. (though I hope nobody's serious about that)
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Noahdraron posted:Look I know we're all just speculating here but my theory is that it was an explosion of some sort. Ok, now this was loving hilarious. Don't try to come back with another response, because it will not live up to this.
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Godholio posted:I know this isn't serious, but drones don't carry large bombs. When i was in Iraq we would use 500 pounders dropped from reapers. Would nearly take out a city block.
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I've seen a latex glove filled with gas by an old age pensioner remove the windows, doors and roof of a pre-ford buyout Volvo estate. I do not doubt the power of stuff I cannot see.
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guandi posted:I do not doubt the power of stuff I cannot see. 
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312 posted:A common analogy is a firecracker- explode one on your palm and it might sting a second. Clench your fist with one and you'll be going to the hospital. Since everything else in that stupid movie was wrong I'll ask: does it actually just sting/burn an open palm or would a firework exploding in your hand send you to hospital either way? I really wouldn't want to be the one to test it.
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