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 Playing with goonsFor now, Camping The Stairs is the place to go to get in on mumble. http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3521554 And now an IRC channel! IRC.SYNIRC.NET #warthunder Myoclonic Jerk posted:Behold! Inspired by the matchmaking doc over in the Grognard Games thread, here's a Google Doc where we can share our usernames. Maybe this will make ganging up a little simpler (I am dumb and can't figure out Mumble). War Thunder is a flight sim currently in open beta by Gaijin Entertainment. It takes after a lot of World of Tanks successes and is going to do some new things with it. Right now the game is only aircraft, but there will be tank combat and naval battles in game, rather than separate games like World of X. There is going to be a clan war system called World War, there isn't much solid information on how it works. What we do know is it will have airplanes, tanks and ships all vying for control of the map. The controls can be anything your heart desires. There's plain keyboard, mouse and keyboard, Xbox 360 controls, and a massive amount of supported flight sticks. I personally play with the 360 controller and it is quite comfortable. Crew training works somewhat like the proposed garage battles for World of Tanks. You purchase crew slots in your hangar for each country and train that crew in that slot to fly a particular plane. When a crew is trained to a new plane, they do not lose their skills on the previous plane. When you reach a certain level of accumulated points on a crew, you can pay credits to make them expert at that aircraft. Expert raises your reload skill, gunner skills, and pilot skills by 30. There are two modes you can play at the moment with a third in the works. Right now we have arcade battles, very simplified controls, and damage modeling. Arcade lets you reload ammunition in the air after expending your supply, and the same with bombs. Attack and bomber aircraft reload their bombs faster than a fighter loaded with some. Arcade battles also play somewhat like the proposed garage battles for world of tanks. You purchase crew slots in your hangar for each country and train that crew in that slot to fly a particular plane. The second mode available is historical battles. This mode is constantly being tested and cycles between fixed countries fighting each other. Historical has realistic controls and you have to resupply at air bases and has a much larger battle area and spread out objectives. Historical battles are quite fun but have a very interesting crowd. Be sure to paint your plane as gaudily as possible! The third mode is full simulator. I haven't tried that setting in the single missions much but it is going to include things like managing your propeller pitch and its first person cockpit only. The NDA has just been lifted and the game has gone into open beta, registration here: http://warthunder.com/en/registration/ VIDEOS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1S_XCs8CvI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxjTth06s6A SCREENSHOTS!   (I lost the rest of my screenshots so here are their screenshots http://warthunder.com/en/media/screenshots/ ) TREES! Currently there are are plane trees for the USSR, Germany, USA, Japan, and UK. The  tree has some nice looking end planes, like the Il-28, MiG-15 which is currently ingame, and the Tu-4, a reverse engineered B-29.  Tank preview  The  tree has a plethora of navy fighters and army air force fighters in right now along with several B-17 variants. Looking forward to flying the A-1 Skyraider. Tank preview   has the wide range of BF-109s and FW-190s plus a bunch of twin engine heavy fighters. At the end they're going to have some of those pie in the sky blueprint planes that look pretty snazzy. Tank preview   has the famous Spitfires and Hurricanes, along with quite a few jets already ingame. The bombers are pretty drat sturdy and carry some massive bomb loads. Tank preview   is a little sparse ingame at the moment but the final tree looks very nice. Currently you can fly a sizable collection of Zero variants and have early access to a very large money printing bomber, the H6K. Tips Section (to be expanded over time) NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:
To get out of your babby biplanes faster, use the 150 golden eagles you start with to convert general experience to country experience. 150 gold will get you quite a lot of experience out of it. The different Japanese bombs are denoted with Type and Mod. Type ## bombs are armor piercing while Mod ## bombs are general purpose high explosives. AP bombs are best used against ships and bunkers in theory, while HE is for everything else. Evil_Greven's handy dandy bombing guide. 50kg bombs are pretty ineffective against anything as their explosion is so small and weak. 100kg bombs are somewhat reliable at killing tanks, but aim has to be good. A 250kg bomb will kill a destroyer on a bridge strike, so it's not a huge surprise that 2x100kg will kill it. A 500kg is somewhat more effective because you don't have to bridge with it. Same with pillboxes - 250kg precision hit will kill one, but 500kg is more effective. Light pillboxes can be killed much easier, somewhat below 250kg near misses. As for blast radius... 1000kg bombs will annihilate the pillbox and surrounding artillery, and most of a tank column, so its size is hard to judge. 500kg bombs directly on a pillbox will kill most surrounding AAA or Artillery. A bit off, and the further one(s) of those will survive. 250kg bombs between two nearby AAA/Artillery emplacements surrounding a pillbox will pop both of them. 100kg bombs will kill tailgating Medium Tanks in columns. Rockets seem to have a similar blast radius to 100kg bombs or less. Richard M Nixon posted:
How to use the bomb sight: How to access test server Some jerk on the War Thunder forums posted:Copy the game folder to a different location. NerdyMcNerdNerd's helpful guide of how to make things dead. http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...9#post415806647 BillyJoeBob fucked around with this message at May 25, 2013 around 00:49 |
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Maybe higher rank planes don't repair to full when landing unless you have points in this?.
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This is better than World of War Planes. I mean that's not a hard feat to accomplish but I figure you all should know.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 03:20 |
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The main website pushes you to pre-order to get into the beta, but if you make an account you can just download the client from the registration page and log right in.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 18:37 |
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So do the bombers bomb npc ground troops or what do they do?
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 18:47 |
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hopterque posted:So do the bombers bomb npc ground troops or what do they do? Yes, also after you get some experience your tailgunner becomes a sniper and wrecks the poo poo out of anyone who happens to cross in front of him. Save your gold eagle currency for converting general XP to faction XP. If you want to fly strictly Bombers/Ground Attack stick with the Russians and USA. Everyone except the US has good fighters. If you want to waste money on this game buy IL-2 1946 instead.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 19:11 |
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This probably would be pretty fun if it weren't for the fact you start off with biplanes but have a reasonable chance of being forced to dogfight with jets. Also the wait to actually get into the match is borderline unbearable
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| # ? Nov 28, 2012 21:45 |
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Stairmaster posted:This probably would be pretty fun if it weren't for the fact you start off with biplanes but have a reasonable chance of being forced to dogfight with jets. Also the wait to actually get into the match is borderline unbearable For the first thing at least in canyons biplanes have a decent chance of taking out foolish high-tier planes. Nothing can out turn a biplane and its a special kind of satisfying to take down a mig or a spitfire with some good aiming at the cockpit.
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The early Soviet biplanes are loving ridiculous. They have four machine guns that do something like 1800 RPM each. Also make sure you set your game matchmaker's server to any available. 6PM PST is where I find all the Russian players begin to start coming back to the game. Weekends have about 6000 people on and its great. For the matchmaking, that's coming fairly soon so I hear so you can check what tiers you want to fight.
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| # ? Nov 29, 2012 04:40 |
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Stairmaster posted:This probably would be pretty fun if it weren't for the fact you start off with biplanes but have a reasonable chance of being forced to dogfight with jets. Also the wait to actually get into the match is borderline unbearable I was annoyed at start too, but you usually get matched with equal level of opponents. Besides starter planes aren't that bad, you can kill ranks 2-7 easily with some luck. And biplanes are really maneurable. What do you mean by wait time? If it's queue times, then select Russian server or "Any server", wait times are 8-10 seconds usually. Loading time - yeah, wish it was shorter. I'm currently into English planes soon to hit rank 7 and loving Spitfire Mk2. 20mm cannons allow you to pop targets in a few solid hits. So into which faction should I dump/convert free XP? I was thinking USSR, because I love LA-5FN, but Germans have a lot of very nice planes too.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2012 19:25 |
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This game is fun. Play it. Level up reloading as soon as possible on your crew. Having your guns reload in 10 seconds is absurdly powerful.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2012 19:31 |
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I'm enjoying the game a lot, it's a shame that there aren't too many maps yet (although I suppose there's enough for it not to get too stale). The EU server could also use more players too, but there's more than enough on the RU and the connection is usually pretty solid. The starting biplanes for each nation aren't too bad, they're great at latching onto any plane that isn't a jet and being a parasite that eventually kills them. The German line with all the Bf109's is also great fun.
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| # ? Dec 2, 2012 06:52 |
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Someone needs to throw up some guide info for this game since it has a bit of a learning curve and it isn't obvious what is and isn't a good idea. The crew skills aren't exactly explained either; reload speed seems to help, but not sure how much a rank of reload speed helps. Short of that, the game is pretty fun. Biggest disappointment probably comes from the fact that you should play with the mouse instead of a joystick. Was playing with a Logitech controller and while I could evade fairly well, it was hard to aim for poo poo. Swapped over to mouse controls and I mow people down with ease, scoring way more kills and regularly being within the top 5. Some tips that should be in a guide, especially for new players: - Unlike WoWP, there is no overall health, which means a single bullet can kill a plane (though really unlikley). You destroy a plane by criticalling damaging it (shooting up the wings, tail, or engine) or killing the pilot - Also unlike Wargaming games, the tech tree isn't organized by tiers. There are plenty of cases where a plane is the same nation rank as the plane above it (nation rank determines what you can use). - At first glance biplanes seem horrible. In reality they can be dangerous to quicker planes that don't turn well. This is especially true for the Russian I-15 and the British Gladiator, which both have four guns. - If you want lots of guns, Brits seem to have a lot of them. They get 8 guns by rank 3 or 4, and 12 guns by 4 or 5. - Remember to make use of your flaps. You have raised, combat, and landing flaps, and each one can provide appropriate benefits if used right. - Killing people doesn't remove tickets in Ground Strike levels (at least, not many if it does). This means you could kill all but one plane and still lose if that plane manages to destroy all the ground targets. - Destroying ground targets can provide a lot of experience. A lot of weak ground targets grant 100xp, medium tanks and the such provide 250, Destroyers 550, and carriers 850. Killing a player is 270. All of those are estimations. - If you don't have a lot of fire power, don't go after a bomber. Bombers can easily withstand 6x7.76mm guns being fired at them. A lot of them also have gunners that will fire at you automatically, making flying near them dangerous. - Reaching "expert training" provides a bonus +30 modifier to several skills. These seem to be Keen Vision, Visibility, Gunner Accuracy and Precision, and Repair and Reload Speed. Only seen this on the Kitty Hawk though.
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| # ? Dec 3, 2012 08:21 |
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I'm playing Russian bombers right now and finding it fairly easy to get tons of XP per match, though my air-to-air kills are only slightly there. I bought a little bit of gold so I could max out my crew's gunnery skills and it's definitely a big difference, i've had games where I shot down 6 planes just by flying in circles and letting my gunners do work. You have to get used to switching gunner arcs while one guy reloads, though. I wonder if the .50-cal armed bombers are a bit better in this regard, but I got kinda impatient and went for the early SB bombers. One of the things I would say is really important is: don't get suckered in by loadouts like 10x 100kg bombs over 6x 250kg bombs because the bigger bombs really help when you're level bombing from high altitude. Also small bombs are worthless against ships, so you should have a loadout with 500kg bombs just in case you come to the map with all destroyers. Take some time on test flying, too, to get a feel for how long a bomb takes to come down from high altitude. If you can bomb moving targets from 10,000 feet, you'll be fairly safe from most fighter pilots because everyone wants to be on the deck.
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| # ? Dec 3, 2012 11:28 |
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This game completely slipped under my radar until I caught this thread by chance. The thing that's struck me the most so far is just how gorgeous it is (for a combat flight sim) I'm just getting started, but as an old WWIIOL player, the longview on this game looks right up my alley. My only gripe thus far (I'm sure I'll have more later) is the long wait time between rounds. Thanks for pointing this out, BillyJoeBob!
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 05:30 |
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This looks like a really interesting game, is it in all honesty better than world of warplanes? I am in the beta for it and have been playing for some time and quite like it. Is this that much better?
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 05:50 |
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Lee Outrageous posted:This looks like a really interesting game, is it in all honesty better than world of warplanes? I am in the beta for it and have been playing for some time and quite like it. Is this that much better? Given the caveat that I was STOKED for WoWP, and played the HELL out of it for several weeks...WoWP feels like a cheap money grab by comparison. Like I said, the only complaint I've got at the moment are long queues.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 06:53 |
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Kenny Rogers posted:I've played both. Ooh than I think I might like this then, so in WoWP I have really enjoyed playing as the germans using vertical fighting tactics. Do German aircraft in this game allow for the same play style? It would be nice to get into this having some sort of idea what each nation, and plane type is good for. Or simply advice on what plane is terrible/awesome before I get into this.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 07:19 |
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Is there a way to download this, other than the P2P launcher?
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 23:38 |
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Lee Outrageous posted:Ooh than I think I might like this then, so in WoWP I have really enjoyed playing as the germans using vertical fighting tactics. Do German aircraft in this game allow for the same play style? It would be nice to get into this having some sort of idea what each nation, and plane type is good for. Or simply advice on what plane is terrible/awesome before I get into this. The maps generally feel larger than the WoWP maps do (I haven't found myself flying off the edge of any of them yet, whereas I found myself flying off the map in 1/3 of the WP games, at least. 7 nations vs. 3. (Yes, 7, though there are only 5 groupings. The trees in the OP are missing things. I know I've seen a D.520 (Now with 100% more video of People Who Don't Understand Deflection Shooting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcSb4go4vAQ)and I'm pretty sure I've seen a Folgore, but it might have been a G.55. The games are LONG (30:00m, but they rarely last that long). Unlike WoWP, there are varying levels of physics available, Arcade through Simulation (which has prop pitch controls and manual trim and all that awesome jazz) You get to fight with ALL of the aircraft you have slotted for that nation, not just the one you've picked. When you die/crash/whatever, you respawn with the next aircraft you have in your hangar. Ammunition is limited. Yes, you can (and do) run out. You can land at your own base and refuel/refit/rearm and get back into the fight. There are multiple game types in the "just bullshitting around" lobby. Some are way more interesting than anything Wargaming has come up with, by far. There's one where there are three neutral air bases in the center. Land on them (!) to capture them for your team. One takes place in "the mountains of Burma", and the objective is to destroy the opposing ground targets. Killing enemy aircraft gets you almost nothing regarding victory points, until the enemy just has nobody left for you to fight. With everyone having AT LEAST three lives, that could be a while. Last night, I wound up on BluFor, and we hung on by the barest thread of victory points for about 10 minutes at the end while three RedFor dudes chased our remaining fighters around deep down in the central canyons (Spitfire and a P26 vs several things on our side), and our dude in an A20 just MURDALIZED their ground stuff in the back, completely unopposed, except when the P26 dude died and respawned (then died again to the Havoc. How embarassing.) Another game of the "take the airfields", I got a decent number of XP for playing smart in my role. I was in a Fairey Swordfish, which is slow as HELL... I stayed up high across the map, and then dove in and torpoedoed a landing craft near the other side's starting area. Once you hit Level 1 (having started at 0), there are co-op PvE battles, and a mission editor available. Long queues, but I'm liking the game a lot. Oh, and as for Boom and Zoom vs. Turn and Burn? Yeah, it's modeled, though I suspect you'll see more people trying to TnB in a 109 in the Arcade arenas... Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 03:19 |
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Queues are fine if you change server type to all available instead of the default EU.
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Kenny Rogers posted:I've played both. I completely agree, except for the last part. Like nVortex says, I just set to any available and deal with the shouting Russians.  Really hoping the next patch has grouping, because they usually do small patches often and it's not had one since the 22nd. They usually wait a while to drop a big patch like that. Also, I think one of my favorite maps is the "Secret Pacific Base" where you have to protect landing craft that spew out light tanks. The light tanks then have to capture a fortress under a mountainous island with caves you can fly through. I just got to rank 12 on Germany, and I love my Fw-190 A-5. I'm just saving up to train my crew to get the F-8 which seems to go a bit slower but gets 13mm machine guns instead of 7.92. BillyJoeBob fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 02:08 |
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Brilliant! Thanks! (Looking in the UI, I see switches for EU>RU. I presume that's the switch you were talking about?) Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 05:11 |
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So, I just had a match on Islands airfield domination. I was in my PBY-5a (the amphibious one) and got my engines shot up. By some miracle, I managed to land the thing in the water next to the airfield closest to the enemy destroyers. I got 2 kills on planes that tried to kill me while I floated there, and that's not counting the ones that smashed into the ocean on their own trying to dive on me. Or the one who literally rammed into me, giving me critical hit xp but no kill (and, incidentally, failing to kill me himself.) It may be the best thing I've done in this game yet.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 07:20 |
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I've been playing this (badly) on and off all day. And I must say I look forward to what comes from it. They've done a fantastic job on the sounds, and its awful pretty at times. I'm more interested in the tank/ship side of things, but it feels great to fly on my Logitech Extreme 3D Pro in this. I just wish I had a TrackIR.
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tehsid posted:I've been playing this (badly) on and off all day. And I must say I look forward to what comes from it. They've done a fantastic job on the sounds, and its awful pretty at times. I've got a TrackIR that I bought back in '04 or something. I should get it out of the closet... I am LOOOVING the ground attack missions. People just don't seem to get that the win comes entirely from blowing up the trucks, and not at all from shooting down the other fella. I'm really OK with that. I've been playing a few hours, and I've got a couple of Kingfishers and a Swordfish. I've played around with the Mission Editor doing crazy crap like 24v4 + Ground Attack objectives, and played in some missions other people have set up. This is pretty much the combat game I've been waiting for since the likes of Aces High, Warbirds, Fighter Ace and WWIIOL started to really get old and wheezy... Also, I was completely, unreasonably, disproportionately happy when I got notification that I had unlocked TWO NEW DECALS. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 07:44 |
| # ? Dec 9, 2012 07:37 |
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With the long-ish game times, landing to reload, and general sweet vibe this game is putting out from this thread, it makes me feel like it's Fighter Ace on amphetamines. Can't wait to give this a shot.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 07:47 |
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Gave this a shot tonight for an hour or two and overall liked it. Got the achievement for shooting down a plane ten ranks higher than me.  It's pretty funny being an annoying biplane. In half the games I went through my three planes pretty quickly, do I have to sit around in spectator mode until the end of the match to get credit for a win or can I quit out of it?
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 07:56 |
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Kenny Rogers posted:I've got a TrackIR that I bought back in '04 or something. Since it sounds like you're going down the British line boy do the Beaufighters have a treat for you. The first one you unlock has four 20mm Hispanios with about 1000 rounds of ammo and a .30 cal tailgun and the ability to carry a torpedo. The one that comes after that gets six .50 cals, the same four 20mm guns with a bit more ammo, the tailgun and can mount antitank rockets  Knightmare, you can leave after you lose your aircraft like World of Tanks. There is a penalty *I think* if you leave before all of your aircraft are destroyed but not once you're knocked out. BillyJoeBob fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 08:37 |
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BillyJoeBob posted:Since it sounds like you're going down the British line boy do the Beaufighters have a treat for you. The first one you unlock has four 20mm Hispanios with about 1000 rounds of ammo and a .30 cal tailgun and the ability to carry a torpedo. The one that comes after that gets six .50 cals, the same four 20mm guns with a bit more ammo, the tailgun and can mount antitank rockets As a Soviet bomber pilot(starting to regret the poor defensive armament of the Soviet Bombers vis a vis the British or American ones), I will say that the only fighters I fear are beaufighters because of said armament. Also it seems like beaufighter pilots are the only guys who don't just hug the deck, either.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 13:53 |
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First impressions so far is that it is a pain in the rear end to do anything as a biplane, everything just dominates them. But it is pretty satisfying when you get a kill. Now I am just torn between what nations aircraft to take. Looking at the German fighters and the 262 it looks like it is pretty outmatched by the F-86 and mig-15. Though I would like an F-86, the US fighters are not that great supposedly? Also, what exactly makes a good bomber? I like the look of the HE-111 tree with the arado 234 cause it is so drat fast! So many seemingly good options...
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Lee Outrageous posted:First impressions so far is that it is a pain in the rear end to do anything as a biplane, everything just dominates them.
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 01:53 |
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Yeah, I get that kind of blech feeling I get when playing any tiered competitive game where the big guys will come pick on the new blood, but it's worth it for when you catch one out of line and tear them to bits. I also might just be terrible. Enjoying it a lot so far though. E: Also apparently people are as bad at understanding plane trajectories as they are at horses. 
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Orv posted:Yeah, I get that kind of blech feeling I get when playing any tiered competitive game where the big guys will come pick on the new blood, but it's worth it for when you catch one out of line and tear them to bits. I also might just be terrible. New favorite cheapass tactic. Suckering Spitfire and LAGG pilots into head on merges. in my throwaway Gladiator. It's like a moth to the loving flame.
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 04:40 |
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Tested this and it seems pretty fun. I played a few battles with the British Gladiator and got to level 2, is it right that I can only get one of the new Hurricanes I unlocked or am I missing something here?
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 04:46 |
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I really like the American fighters but the bombers are rear end. Or it's entirely possible I'm terrible with bombers. What altitude should I be bombing at?
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Estraysian posted:Tested this and it seems pretty fun. I played a few battles with the British Gladiator and got to level 2, is it right that I can only get one of the new Hurricanes I unlocked or am I missing something here?
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 05:06 |
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This is incredibly difficult with an Xbox controller.
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Knightmare posted:I really like the American fighters but the bombers are rear end. Or it's entirely possible I'm terrible with bombers. What altitude should I be bombing at? You can pretty much bomb at any altitude against emplacements, so long as there's no competition for the kills. I like 12,000 feet to stay out of the fighter altitudes. Moving vehicles take a lot of doing to hit from high altitudes so i prefer to just dive bomb them. Make sure you don't get suckered into using the smallest possible bombs because those require direct hits to do damage.
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 05:10 |
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Kenny Rogers posted:At level 2 you should have the Hurri I, the Swordfish, the Blen, and a couple Gladiators in your hangar. Ah I didn't notice the Blenheim because I never got the Swordfish. What would I use the Swordfish for? It just seemed like a worse Gladiator. Torpedoing ships I guess.
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Estraysian posted:Ah I didn't notice the Blenheim because I never got the Swordfish. What would I use the Swordfish for? It just seemed like a worse Gladiator. Torpedoing ships I guess. Destroyers are 200XP a pop, but otherwise it's not worth using, IMO.
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