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 What's this all about? Command & Conquer: Renegade is the first FPS to take place in the Command & Conquer "Tiberium" universe. The player controls GDI commando Nick "Havoc" Parker as he fights the Brotherhood of Nod while being mostly badass. Only mostly badass? There are some scenes where he's not as badass as he could have been. Could you explain this GDI, Nod, and Tiberium business? Back in 1995, Westwood Studios released a real-time strategy game called Command & Conquer (later known as Tiberium Dawn). Command & Conquer takes place in the late 1990s in a world plagued by an alien substance called Tiberium. Tiberium spreads through the ground like a parasite, leeching heavy metals from the soil and forming precious (and radioactive) green crystals above ground. A previously-unknown messianic cult called the Brotherhood of Nod, led by the mysterious and charismatic Kane, sees the potential of Tiberium. They rush to harvest, process, and control as much as possible. Nod then uses the wealth to form armies and terrorist cells and pursue world domination. In response to Nod's aggression, the United Nations creates the Global Defense Initiative (GDI), a supranational military force, to destroy Nod. Nod's Tiberium mastery, wealth, cunning, and fanaticism allow them to turn the fight into a prolonged worldwide war. Command & Conquer: Renegade puts us into this conflict and gives us the power to end it. What's this "commando" thing? One of the fan favorites from Command & Conquer is the Commando. The commando is an excellent sniper and can demolish buildings with C4 explosives. He's also smug as hell and spouts one-liners like an action hero. Havoc is like that commando but better. What are we, Nick "Havoc" "Commando-But-Better" Parker, going to do? We're going to bring down the Brotherhood of Nod and make Kane look like a fool. We'll have access to a variety of guns, explosives, explosive guns, energy weapons, vehicles, and one-liners. Is there any multiplayer? Will you show it off? There is multiplayer and it is fondly remembered by all. The multiplayer experience has been described as "the best" and "oh god." It has also been said that "it would be a shame to not include it." Those people are correct, so I will do some multiplayer videos and post them throughout the LP. I will also explain how I connect to Renegade servers so that interested goons can join in on the fun. If enough people express interest, we'll organize a What's the spoiler policy? It's okay to talk about anything we know from the Tiberium series of games and how they relate to Renegade. It's not okay to spoil events specific to this game, like the revelation that Havoc's father was a hypercube. If you don't know if something crosses the line, put it in tags. TABLE OF CONTENTS: Intro/Teaser Movie: YouTube DailyMotion Update 1: The Scorpion Hunters YouTube DailyMotion Update 2: Rescue and Retribution Post YouTube DailyMotion Part 1 DailyMotion Part 2 Update 3: Armored Assault Post YouTube DailyMotion Part 1 DailyMotion Part 2 Update 3b: Mission 3 Bonus Video Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 4: The Plot Erupts Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 5: Stowaway Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 6: Deadly Reunion Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 7: The Grip of the Black Hand Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 8: Obelisk of Oppression Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 9: Evolution of Evil Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 9b: Havoc Hates History Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 10: All Brains, No Brawn Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 11: Tomorrow's Technology Today Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 12: Stomping on Holy Ground Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 01m: To Command And Conquer Post YouTube DailyMotion Update 02m: Railguns Are Rad: Post YouTube DailyMotion ALSO OF INTEREST: Chronojam's Commentary Corner: Mission 2 Mission 3 Mission 4 Sakura and Scripts Mission 5 Missions 5 & 6 Mission 7 Missions 7 & 8 and gun chat Mission 9 Raveshaw Neddy Seagoon posted:You think you've seen awesome? You haven't seen Nick Havoc invading Westwood! drunkill posted:As Chronojam said up above, Renegade sucked up hours of my life, Renegade is when I really got into the C&C community because of the Multiplayer, you could play with 31 other people unlike the previous games with 8 players max. SupSuper posted:Oh boy Renegade holds a special place in my heart. An FPS with vehicles? Buildings? Crazy fun multiplayer? I remember playing the multiplayer demo to death, never could get tired of C&C_Canyon, flame tank rushes and C4 spam. SupSuper posted:While we're on the topic, Frank Klepacki has his entire portfolio up on his website to listen for free if you wanna suddenly wonder where the time went: http://www.frankklepacki.com/listen.html SupSuper posted:That's hilarious. Reminds me of TibDawn's amazing placeholder sound effects (I think they were from the beta): ArchWizard fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2013 around 22:34 |
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Singleplayer meanwhile revolved around just getting aggravated lost indoors with useless maps. 
) yet we were still swoonning over it. Westwood really knew how to get us hooked.
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Update 01: YouTube DailyMotion So hey, let's talk/sperg about GDI and Nod technology and aesthetics. We're only one mission into Renegade, but maybe you have gotten an inkling that each side is kind of different.  This is GDI's symbol. It's an eagle. Or a hawk. No, it's probably an eagle. The eagle is all about power, being badass, and ARE FREEDOMS, so it's a good symbol for GDI.  Here are a couple of GDI soldiers. That's a rifleman on the left and a GDI Rocket Officer on the right. Note that their uniforms have plenty of yellow in them because GDI's color is gold. A bit on the futuristic side, but they're wearing armor and uniforms that modern troops could wear.  Here are some GDI vehicles. Clockwise from the upper-left, they are the Orca Assault Craft, Medium Tank, Chinook Transport Helicopter, and Humm-Vee. The tank, Chinook, and Humm-Vee all look like modern vehicles, and the Chinook and Humm-Vee are explicitly named after their real-world counterparts. The Orca stands out as being one of the few futuristic elements in Tiberium Dawn: It look like a helicopter with jets instead of a rotor. Appropriately, it's a unit that appears close to end-game because it's new tech. Oh yeah: The Orca is not a helicopter because it doesn't have any rotors   Here's the orbital Ion Cannon, the other sci-fi weapon that GDI uses in Tiberium Dawn. It's also a late-game element. Mission one shows it off, but it's not as devastating as most cutscenes want us to believe. I mean, yes, it is powerful, but its beam usually isn't large enough to engulf an entire base with white-hot death.  This is Nod's symbol. The scorpion tail symbolizes Nod's preference for victory through dickery. Nod uses all sorts of nasty tricks to fight, like fire, chemical weapons, nukes, assassinations, mass murder, terror bombings, etc.  Here are some of the Nod soldiers we fought in mission one. The left one is Nod Infantry, the middle one is Flamethrower Infantry, the one on the right is a Rocket Soldier. Their uniforms are red and black. Nod's colors are red and black. These are just the basic grunts, but their outfits are futuristic and quite sinister. They also give no shits about camouflage, which might be one reason Nod loses at the end of every Tiberium game.  Here are two Nod vehicles we encountered in mission one. The buggy is Nod's version of the Humm-Vee. The light tank is a faster and weaker counterpart to GDI's medium tank. They're quite stylish and menacing. I didn't notice the angry face on the front of the buggy until I took these pictures. Renegade takes place in this world. It's a world where our troops fight against the weird and very fashionable bad guys. But here's the thing...  When Tiberium Dawn came out in 1995, the units didn't look like that. Or Nod's didn't, at least. GDI and Nod units both looked as conventional as Westwood could manage in a game with laser towers and orbital ion cannons. Soldiers looked the same on both sides and Nod's units were grayish-blue. Nod vehicles looked like they had been purchased on the cheap from third-world nations and civilian vehicle manufacturers and jury-rigged into deadlier weapons, and only endgame things like the Obelisk of Light truly have that Nod look to them. What happened? How did Nod troops go from normal-looking dudes to Darth Kane's Scarlet Stormtroopers?  My guess is that Renegade's designers cribbed from Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun (1999). Tiberian Sun is the sequel to Tiberium Dawn and takes place in 2030. The world is going to hell because of Tiberium, but GDI and Nod get fancy sci-fi future tech to make themselves feel better about it. Nod forces show their own distinct style, which made it into Renegade. The borrowing doesn't stop at visuals, either: Tiberian Sun delved more into what Kane wants to do with Tiberium and Renegade incorporates a fair bit of that into its own plot. ArchWizard fucked around with this message at Nov 28, 2012 around 04:39 |
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OH YES Will you be using your left hand to give Nod a chance? Loved this crazy crazy game. I cannot wait to see how it has aged.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 03:24 |
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Oh man, I love Command & Conquer (as some can probably tell from my username), but I never actually played Renegade. Loved the Commando in Tiberium Dawn, and I love Havoc's character, as alluded to in background materials, so I dunno why I never played this game. I mean, I got Command & Conquer: the First Decade, which included this, but again, I never really got around to playing this game. Look forward to watching you go through this.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 03:30 |
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Mothergently caress yes.  This game brings back some memories.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 03:30 |
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Hopefully I can procure a copy of The First Decade sometime before you start doing multiplayer. I definitely want in on some of that action. Pleased to see this LP is ready to go. I'm looking forward to some of the later missions.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 03:35 |
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Glad to see you're LPing this game! I had a lot of fun with it when I was younger, but I never beat the game. You know, I wouldn't mind some audio commentary.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 05:44 |
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I am there for any and all multiplayer videos.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 05:47 |
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That end of mission cinematic was so over the top, it was hilarious. I have a feeling this can be said about the entire game.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 06:20 |
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The multiplayer for this game is so good! I spent like a month just playing the demo against bots. It's a lot like Savage or Natural Selection. I always liked playing as the Black Hand or Mendoza and just going to town on the bots.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 07:01 |
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Oh gently caress yes! I played the hell out of this game. Hell I think I still have my old CDs kicking around somewhere. I loved playing the multiplayer.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 08:30 |
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I would love to play on multiplier to show off my 1080 no scope shooting skills. And I love this game for it's madcap adventures.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 08:41 |
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Why is this being done with subtitles? Also your subtitles are unreadable.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 08:55 |
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Oh hell yeah, Renegade! Terribad in single player (alas, the pace of the first level just isn't maintained), but multiplayer was brilliant. Westwood really had no experience whatsoever in coding an FPS and it really, really shows. A lovely B-movie of a game that was surprisingly fun for all its crapness. As a note about the changes in vehicle design, the original NOD units were ramshackle dune buggies and simple sprites. Renegade replaced some of the vehicles with real-world equivalents (the NOD artillery and APC are now genuine vehicles with a supervillain paint job), but for some reason replaced C&C1's real light tank design with this GI Joe...thing. The new Renegade flame tank is just ridiculous, but the developers said they wanted to give it a turret to make it more fun to use. The new NOD soldiers are pure Saturday-morning-cartoon, probably for ease of animation and to avoid embarrassing similarities to real-world fanatics waving AK-47s. Interestingly, C&C3 would go through the same process. The original release tried to hark back to the C&C1 glory days by depicting NOD front-line infantry as hoodie-clad militants and fanatics. When the expansion pack came out the devs switched them back to helmeted red-glowing stormtroopers. NOD's overhaul probably had to do with ease of rendering in the primitive engine. Westwood created the entire game engine from scratch because they wanted something that could seamlessly transition from big outdoor worlds to large indoor complexes, and they obviously had to compromise on rendering power. Renegade's clunky rendering was also the point in the series where tiberium switched from being a creepy alien plant that grew crystals to just being the crystals. The internal sequences look uncannily like Duke Nukem 3D, but the outside tank battles are great fun. Scuttling from cover to cover near an obelisk of light and hearing it charge up to fry you never got old.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 11:32 |
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This is actually the first time I have seen Renegade in action. In the past, any attempt to get the game to run resulted in it throwing a fit for one reason, or another. Made buying the anniversary collection a tiny bit of a let down, just before C&C3 made its way into the world. Either way, I look forward to following the thread, and seeing what i've missed. Even if that might amount to 'not a lot'.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 12:14 |
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Depending on when the MP matches will happen, I can probably dust off my CD of this game and join in.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 13:53 |
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 Hell yeah! Nostalgia to the fullest. If I still can locate my copy of this I might be down for some multi. Would also depend on time zone bullshit though.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 15:06 |
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Oh my god yes. Havoc is exactly what you expect from a man who goes by Havoc. And it is wonderful. So many good memories coming in here.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 18:08 |
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Neat. Hopefully I can find my copy of Renegade and join in the multiplayer. I never got a chance to play the MP before.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 20:30 |
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Man, I was so loving hyped for this game when I first heard about it, because of all the promises that it'd be some sort of fancy-schmancy RTS/FPS hybrid where you'd basically be dropped into C&C battles and be the game-changer. They did sort of do that with the multiplayer, admittedly, but it features nearly not at all in the singleplayer, from what I recall. I never beat the game myself because of a bug that just pissed me off. On the tanker ship mission, I ended up completing one objective out of order, killing some dude or something before I got the objective to, because I got lost on the way to one objective, which hosed up a trigger and because I was a dork I hadn't saved for several missions and was totally not in the mood for replaying that much poo poo. The intro mission is kind of awesome, though, does a decent job of making you feel like an asskicking protag.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 22:33 |
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Oh man, awesome. I just played through this recently, FRAPSing most of it for a VLP but ditched it due to lack of commentary and not knowing what to do with the long downtimes where I didn't know where the gently caress to go. Glad to see it getting the love it deserves. Multi strategies back in the day were great. Mainly being an engineer and attaching proximity mines to humvees then driving them into enemy tanks. Bonuses for attaching them to your allies humvees without them knowing and then them driving into enemy tanks. Actually the multiplayer, though buggy as hell, was really fun. I'm totally down for some. I assume you're doing it with XWIS? Edit: Jesus Christ you'd better include all the intro videos to missions, the horrible puns and bravado are just fantastically cheesy and cliche.
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 22:38 |
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You may want to make the subtitles a little bit larger and last just a tiny bit longer. Also they are magazines not clips 
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| # ? Nov 26, 2012 23:02 |
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I'm glad that there's so much enthusiasm for watching someone on the Internet play Renegade. I am encouraged and hopeful and maybe a little sleepy.Concordat posted:You may want to make the subtitles a little bit larger and last just a tiny bit longer. I'm already working on redoing mission 1 with larger subs. It would have been uploaded by now if I hadn't deleted my source video and edit script under the assumption that I was done with them  Since the matter of subs versus voice has come up twice, I'll address it. I have three reasons for choosing subtitle commentary: 1. I don't like to speak. 2. Renegade has lots of sound and voice acting that can get in the way of voice commentary. 3. I don't have a working recording setup or much recording know-how. However! For reasons unrelated to this LP, I'm trying to get a recording setup going. Once I get the hang of it and the sound quality is at a level that satisfies me, I'll make an episode with voice commentary. If people like it, I'll keep doing it.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 02:11 |
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Personally I definitely prefer subtitles, often having someone talking over the video is just distracting unless it's done just right, while subs are a lot more forgiving about the whole thing.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 02:17 |
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sweet, someone is taking on this...thing. I remember being stoked for this because the commercials were just so over the top it couldn't have been a bad thing. Then you played the game and, well, I guess it's like Quake II in that sense but then you play multiplayer and that's all you end up doing. Y'all gotta let me know if and when that's going down because I'll join in for a few matches 
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 04:19 |
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I love this games single-player, even as bad as it is. That said, someone is going to get run the gently caress over in MP. The Ultimate Collection is $25 on Amazon right now, and comes with all the C&C games made so far. Yes, even Covert Ops and Counterstrike. I don't know how long it lasts for, and be aware it does require Origin if you're on of those nutters.E: Before someone says it, there is no such thing as Sole Survivor. Orv fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2012 around 04:33 |
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This was the first FPS I ever played, and god I have fond memories of it. Really looking forward to how awfully this will let down my ten year old self's nostalgic memories.
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PurpleXVI posted:Personally I definitely prefer subtitles, often having someone talking over the video is just distracting unless it's done just right, while subs are a lot more forgiving about the whole thing. We'll have plenty of time to see if voice commentary is workable and we can avoid those problems. There are a few things I can do: release both subbed and voiced videos, reserve voice for episodes that aren't noisy, or save voice for multiplayer videos. The latest take of mission 1 is up: YouTube DailyMotion. I upsized the subtitles and changed some text. The subs are also on screen for much longer than before. I hope I've fixed the problems  Oh yes, you should watch it again even if you were okay with the old subs. Something special happens to the humm-vee that normally gets lasered by the Obelisk of Light. Wait, did I say "special?" I meant "horrifying." ArchWizard fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2012 around 07:32 |
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Start at about 4:05 if you just wanna watch that bit.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 09:41 |
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The original NOD light "tank" in the original C&C is actually a M2 bradley IFV that can somehow shoot tank shells with a 25mm autocannon. Then there the GDI Advanced Guard Tower that fires Tomahawk missiles that costs seven digits per pop at lone infantry. They must have some really deep pockets. Better stop making sense out that game or I go mad.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 10:09 |
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Dang, my copy is gone and it doesn't seem like it's on any digital retailer. Might have to order a physical copy with my Christmas things. Also, as many people seem to have fond memories of this game, has anyone checked Renegade x? Seems pretty cool, and the single player campaign is for free.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 12:32 |
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Oh my. I'll echo the sentiment- I'm going to have to find my copy to get in on the multiplayer shenanigans. I have fond memories of it, young though I was. Edit: Found it, installed it. I'll be watching this thread for multiplayer info. apostateCourier fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2012 around 23:09 |
| # ? Nov 27, 2012 14:02 |
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Holy hell that intro is amazingly, amazingly nineties. I half expected Two Unlimited to come out of the screen.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 14:05 |
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That hilarious intro is funny now. At the time it was supposed to be taken seriously! The marketing for Renegade went all-out on the Badass Macho rear end-Kicking, to a degree not seen again until Gears of War. Anyone else remember the official website and forum's "badass name generator" ? You entered a text string, which could be a real name but was more likely to be teenage crudity, and it generated you a BADASS RENEGADE COMMANDO NAME like "Fist Buzzsaw". I'll dust off my copy and join the multiplayer. MRLS spam forever!
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 14:35 |
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Man, Havoc is such a maverick renegade! Time to rock n' roll 
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 15:45 |
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Man I remember playing this in the morning before going to high school with some friends, I can't believe how many memories this is bringing up. Wait, I just remembered I owed quite a few of my friends a punch in the arm for being pricks in this. 
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 15:49 |
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I spent a stupid amount of hours playing this game, even the multiplayer against bots. I am beyond excited for this lp. The sound of the NOD Obelisk warming up still gives me chills
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 15:58 |
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Tin Tim posted:Dang, my copy is gone and it doesn't seem like it's on any digital retailer. Might have to order a physical copy with my Christmas things. I hope to do a survey of some of the Renegade mods and remakes out there. The original plan was to show off A Path Beyond but then I saw all the other mods out there and I was all "whoa." The next episode has been recorded. It needs commentary and some more editing. I also need to finish the effortpost, which will be about Kane. I hope to have everything up by Thursday, though Wednesday is possible if I get my muse on.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2012 21:19 |
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Loxbourne posted:That hilarious intro is funny now. At the time it was supposed to be taken seriously! The marketing for Renegade went all-out on the Badass Macho rear end-Kicking, to a degree not seen again until Gears of War. You think you've seen awesome? You haven't seen Nick Havoc invading Westwood! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM0QUcGGdoQ
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| # ? May 23, 2013 10:04 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You think you've seen awesome? You haven't seen Nick Havoc invading Westwood! God I miss Westwood. Why the gently caress have I never seen this video before?
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