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spatula
Nov 6, 2004


Makeup is complicated, but it doesnít have to be. It is most important that you enjoy yourself and do whatever the gently caress you want. Just blend thoroughly.

If you have no idea how to even start with makeup, Iíve provided a brief overview of what the most common varieties of makeup are and what theyíre supposed to to do. I am not even close to being an expert, this is just basic stuff to get started!



Makeup: what is this poo poo?



FACE STUFF!

foundation - Used to even out your skin tone. Comes in many coverages (sheer - heavy) and finishes (matte, semi-matte, shimmery, glowy, etc). Liquid, powder and cream formulations are the most common.

tinted moisturizer - Minimal coverage, best if your skin is evenly toned and free of blemishes already and/or youíre just looking for something to smooth it out and provide some SPF.

primer - Used as a base for the rest of your makeup. Makes your makeup apply smoother and last longer (ideally).

bb cream - Popular in Asian markets, supposedly this stuff is a tinted moisturizer, foundation, primer, sunblock, all in one! Shiiiit. Some people swear by it, and it is starting to become more available and popular outside of Asia.
Check out this awesome bb cream guide by RedFish!

concealer - Provides heavy coverage, used to cover up trouble spots (blemishes, undereye circles, etc).

blush/bronzer - Use it on the apples of your cheeks or anywhere else that the sunlight naturally hits to give yourself that sunkissed look!




EYE STUFF!

eyelash curler - It curls your eyelashes, duh. Use it before mascara, if your eyelashes need a pickmeup.

mascara - darkens, lengthens, defines, curls, or thickens your eyelashes depending on the formulation and how you apply it!

eyeliner - defines your eyes! Pencil eyeliners are the easiest, followed by gel formulations (although these require a brush), and liquid eyeliners tend to have the highest application learning curve .

eyeshadow - Comes in every color imaginable, this is probably the most versatile of all makeup.




LIP STUFF!

lipstick - Itís a stick of color for your lips! A good shade of lipstick should brighten up your whole face and make you feel good inside.

lip gloss - Usually shiny, sometimes colorful/tasty/nourishing. Generally more sheer than lipsticks.




I have never worn makeup before! What the gently caress do I do?!

Clam down. This question is a tough one to answer for everyone, as we all have different motivations for wearing makeup, want different levels of coverage, and have different features weíd like to enhance or minimize.

To get started: Watch some youtube tutorials to learn about application, read some reviews for products you might be interested in, and buy some things and put them on. Use common sense when choosing your makeup formulations - if your skin is oily, powders will probably work better, and if your skin is dry, liquids and creams might be the way to go.

Tips for first-timers:
-Blend, blend, blend.
-Remember, you can always put on more later. Donít be too heavy-handed with the application at first.
-Step back from the mirror every once in a while and look at your whole face!
-If youíve never worn makeup before, having any amount of makeup on will probably make you think that you look weird or unnatural. You might be right, but itís good to seek a second opinion!

If youíre starting with literally nothing in the way of makeup, Iíd recommend first finding a good foundation, mascara, blush and lip color as your *basics*. But thatís just my opinion. Do whatever the gently caress you wanna do.




RESOURCES

awesome bb cream guide by RedFish!


Related Megathreads
Nail Polish & Nail Care Megathread
Skincare Megathread


Popular Makeup Retailers
http://www.sephora.com
http://www.eyeslipsface.com/
http://www.urbandecay.com/
http://www.maccosmetics.com/


Makeup review sites & blogs
http://www.makeupalley.com
http://drugstoreprincess.com
http://www.beautypedia.com
http://www.temptalia.com/
http://www.musingsofamuse.com/
http://www.makeupandbeautyblog.com/
http://powderdoom.tumblr.com/



Youtube channels of interest
http://www.youtube.com/user/icallitambrosia
http://www.youtube.com/user/beautydept
http://www.youtube.com/user/emilynoel83
http://www.youtube.com/user/MichellePhan
http://www.youtube.com/user/missglamorazzi
http://www.youtube.com/user/pixiwoo
https://www.youtube.com/user/gossmakeupartist
http://www.youtube.com/user/lisaeldridgedotcom





And below, a post that many people found helpful in the last thread. I love Gala Darling!

bonne chance posted:

I feel the need to share a fantastic inner and outer beauty blog that I read. A fellow Melbournite and a lass with quite a good head on her shoulders (even if you disagree with her fashion taste), Gala Darling has a wonderful beauty tip/advice/trend spotlight/all things girly website and has some solid articles for those of you just starting out and wondering what the hell combination skin is.

Her website: iCiNG

Some clothing and style articles:

Choosing Sunglasses That Suit You
Fashion Help For Recovering Goths
Flattering Photographs
How To Buy A Good Pair Of Shoes
How To Choose A Flattering Haircut
How To Get A Great Tattoo & Never Regret It
How To Walk In High Heels
Makeup Basics Part One: Skincare
Makeup Basics Part Two: Makeup Application
Style Essentials & The Balancing Act
The Benefits of Daily Outfit Photos
The Essential Guide To Dressing For Your Shape
The Ultimate Guide To Unnatural Hair Colouring
Top 5 Ways To Define Your Own Personal Style

She also has some interesting articles about non-beauty-oriented stuff, like coping with breakups, changing schools, losing friends, low self esteem, negative people and all kinds of things. Plus cupcakes and cool photos and stuff. Her blog is a lot of fun.

spatula fucked around with this message at Nov 28, 2012 around 19:56

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spatula
Nov 6, 2004


Reserved

spatula
Nov 6, 2004


Obviously I need links for your favorite makeup retailers and youtube channels. I have a few myself so I'll get on that!

Also, snail slime facial goo is a REAL THING.

animeluva1
Aug 9, 2003

Fuck Mohawk
Get Money


I recommend adding Temptalia (http://www.temptalia.com), Musings of a Muse (http://www.musingsofamuse.com/) and Makeup & Beauty Blog (http://www.makeupandbeautyblog.com) to the list of makeup review sites. I visit all three sites regularly when I want multiple opinions on the same product(s).

Could we add a section on makeup brushes? To start things off if you're on a budget try picking up E.L.F. brushes or Sonia Kashuk brushes. Even Eco-Tools is great when you're tight on money, or forgot your makeup brushes when you travel.

Rockets
Nov 8, 2003
Fitness is rocket science

Seconding request for a brush guide. This is the part I find completely overwhelming as a makeup newbie, and they can be a pretty hefty investment. Specifically, when and how to use them and how to care for them.

slinkimalinki
Jan 17, 2010

Through moonlight and shadow she'd prowl and she'd pry.


I'm a massive fan of Pixiwoo's youtube channel for makeup techniques: http://www.youtube.com/user/pixiwoo?feature=watch .

extraneousXTs
May 4, 2004



Goss Makeup Artist, is one of my faves to send to newbies for basic makeup technique, product information (differences between brands, debunking claims, evaluating trends, etc), with a really fun to watch artist being friendly and cool about makeup being for everyone.

He also has a lot of eyebrow stuff, which makes me happy because I need to put together an eyebrow sperg post for this thread.

Drei
Feb 23, 2006

she's incredible math

slinkimalinki posted:

I'm a massive fan of Pixiwoo's youtube channel for makeup techniques: http://www.youtube.com/user/pixiwoo?feature=watch .

This, along with Lisa Elridge's channel are great jumping off points for learning basic makeup application, specific techniques, and tons of complete look tutorials.

RedFish
Aug 6, 2006
..blue fish, one fish, two fish: blue fish need not apply.

I think some pointers on figuring out your foundation shade would be useful for someone who is starting out. I know MAC is considered the gold standard that everyone uses to compares foundations, even if people have never been matched at MAC itself; if someone is starting out just having good (looking) skin can be an easy place to start.

spatula posted:

Obviously I need links for your favorite makeup retailers and youtube channels. I have a few myself so I'll get on that!

Also, snail slime facial goo is a REAL THING.

Yes it is, I have one on the way to me along with a snail goo BB cream too.

Speaking of, do you want me to post a guide to BB creams, since I have somehow collected and/or tried somewhere upwards of 15 different ones, and found a lot of resources in my search over the last few months. There are a lot of lovely BB cream reviews out there, so it can be a pain to wade through them.

Rockets posted:

Seconding request for a brush guide. This is the part I find completely overwhelming as a makeup newbie, and they can be a pretty hefty investment. Specifically, when and how to use them and how to care for them.

A brush guide would be great, especially if anyone can recommend affordable dupes/comparable good quality brushes (like Sigma or Real Techniques) that are similar to some of the higher-end brushes out there. If you are a newbie, plunking down the cash for a MAC brush can seem a little insane.

How about applicators in general? It seems like sponges (like the beauty blender) and puffs are making a bit of a comeback. Goss and MakeupGeek are both sponge/puff fans.

Hana Dammit
Nov 29, 2004

Punch-drunk tears of a clone.

http://powderdoom.tumblr.com is one of my favorite makeup blogs. here's a good post on brushes, even http://powderdoom.tumblr.com/post/2...gstore-high-end
for the record, I usually just buy cheap brushes and replace them as they degrade.

how do you guys store all your stuff? I have a desk with no drawers and basically it has become Makeup Island. I need creative solutions.

also http://www.sephora.com is a popular makeup retailer.

animeluva1
Aug 9, 2003

Fuck Mohawk
Get Money


Hana Dammit posted:

how do you guys store all your stuff? I have a desk with no drawers and basically it has become Makeup Island. I need creative solutions.

Makeup brushes are on my vanity in designated pencil/pen cups and some pretty glass vases.

My single pots (creme foundation, eyeshadow, blush) are in those neat vanity storage trays from Bed, Bath, and Beyond. A variation I've seen is to glue magnets to the back of them and then put them on a magnetic surface.

The palettes I use a lot are on a designated corner of my vanity for eas reach.

My large/rarely used palettes (Coastal Scents, Urban Decay Vice, Naked) are in a scrapbooking storage bin and padded with spare bubble wrap. The bin is tucked away under a cabinet next to a vanity.

rofl flocka flame
Dec 18, 2011


Hana Dammit posted:

how do you guys store all your stuff? I have a desk with no drawers and basically it has become Makeup Island. I need creative solutions.

I have a makeup brush pouch that has a few compartments that I keep my brushes, primer, liners, and foundation in. Eye, cheek, and lip colors I have a separate cosmetic bag for.

You can always try having clear pouches to organize your cosmetics or one of those transparent plastic drawers so you can better see what you have.

Baby_Hippo
Jun 29, 2007

A lot of people enjoy being dead.


Hana Dammit posted:

how do you guys store all your stuff? I have a desk with no drawers and basically it has become Makeup Island. I need creative solutions.


I was in the market for a makeup organizer right as Sonia Kashuk had these amazing train cases at Target - top level holds brushes and little powder pots, middle has my every day minerals foundations/concealers and a couple of compacts and the large bottom section is a catch all for random eyeshadows, things I don't use very often and a gigantic bronzer brush.

Cortina
Oct 14, 2010


Brushes: my biggest secret is that a bunch of my eyeshadow brushes are from Michael's. They're Loew-Cornell natural hair paint brushes, and I love them. They're cheap and work great. They aren't totally identical to the famous MAC brushes (like the 217, etc) but they're pretty close. My face brushes are Bobbi Brown, because I like the length and weight of the handles.

Storage: Stuff I use rarely, if at all, is stashed under the sink in a train case. Stuff I'm currently using is on top of the vanity in an organizer from the Container Store. I have all of my individual makeup in a Z Palette, which is really nice. It's harder to lose track of colors when you can see everything at once. And, I was able to reduce the clutter to my two Naked palettes and a Z Palette. My brushes I keep like they used to at Sephora - it's a long low container filled with little vase filling beads, with the brushes stuck in vertically. I love it, because I can see everything.

Mostly, I think if you can see what you have, you're less likely to do things like buy a fourth bronze shadow, because you haven't seen the other three in a while since they got buried under other stuff.

FYI, anybody who got the Pop Sugar box this month - if you use your Style Mint code today, you can use it for the Jewel Mint mystery box. They claim it will have between four and ten pieces of jewelry in it, so that's a pretty good deal. Just remember to cancel before they charge you for another month of Style Mint.

slinkimalinki
Jan 17, 2010

Through moonlight and shadow she'd prowl and she'd pry.


extraneousXTs posted:

Goss Makeup Artist, is one of my faves to send to newbies for basic makeup technique, product information (differences between brands, debunking claims, evaluating trends, etc), with a really fun to watch artist being friendly and cool about makeup being for everyone.

He also has a lot of eyebrow stuff, which makes me happy because I need to put together an eyebrow sperg post for this thread.

Welp, just spent about two hours clicking through his videos. He's very good on talking about what works for different eye shapes and skin tones. I love the adoring fans commenting on how handsome he is in the youtube comments.

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012



nth-ing the brush guide request, and also I like the older stuff on xsparkage's channel. A lot of her newer stuff are silly things like looks of characters from the Avengers, or Once Upon a Time

Mongoloid Joe
Jul 2, 2009


Regarding brushes, I have a set of brushes from Sephora, and I always go back to my Elf brushes. I would steer clear from the mineral brushes, because they're nothing special, but definitely stock up on the Essential and Studio brushes. They are awesome! I've never had issues with shedding or breaking. I have quite a lot of them and they have such a variety of sizes and shapes and are fantastic in quality for the price ($1-3 for Essential/Studio).

Brush storage, I use the Elf makeup artists brush belt. Lots of space and pockets for your tools, I store my Elf and non-Elf brushes there. Not leather, but instead made of a sturdier vinyl.

Regular makeup storage, I use a large metal train case and a helmer from Ikea. Whatever doesn't fit in the case, I put in the helmer. Though my nail polish is starting to take over every drawer, so I may just need to buy a second helmer...

Gibbo
Sep 13, 2008


Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but I've got a question about waxing.

First off I'm male. Blonde, so the body hair is on the finer end of male hair. Been using a warm wax and having the lady friend do it. My legs always come out fine, minimal irritation, hurts a bit, maybe I'll get the plucked chicken look for an evening but it goes away.

But when she does my chest things go a bit differently. It takes a couple days for the chicken look to go away sometimes, and then it still looks like I have mild acne or something for weeks. I've tried both scrubbing it with a loofa and not scrubbing, neither seems to really make a difference.

Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong or could be doing to help mitigate this? Nowhere else on my body responds this poorly.

Gently Used Coat
Jul 4, 2005



RedFish posted:

Speaking of, do you want me to post a guide to BB creams, since I have somehow collected and/or tried somewhere upwards of 15 different ones, and found a lot of resources in my search over the last few months. There are a lot of lovely BB cream reviews out there, so it can be a pain to wade through them.

I've been interested in learning more about BB creams for a while now but wasn't sure where to start, so something like this would definitely help people like me!

Rabbit Hill
Mar 11, 2009

God knows what lives in me in place of me.

I got my order from Sephora today, and in it I had requested the Mystery Bag of samples. I don't know if everyone gets the same thing, so I'll spoiler the contents:

*1 small tube of Origins' Clear Improvement active charcoal mask
*1 slightly bigger tube of DDF's Amplifying Elixir
*1 packet of DDF's Ultra-Lite Oil-Free Moisturizing Dew
*1 small tube of Urban Decay's Brightening primer
*2 identical dual samples of Sephora's instant radiance foundation in the shades light and medium -- even the light shade is too dark for me, so those are kind of a waste. They have a very nice texture, though, so if you're not paler than MUFE 120 or MAC NC/NW 20, you might like them.

I'm not really a fan of primers (they don't seem to make any difference on my skin), but I've had a teeny sample of the Urban Decay primer before and actually liked it, so that's the biggest score for me.
Not too bad for free stuff.

What I bought from Sephora was their Give Me Some Lip sampler and the Tarte Stand Outs kit. The Give Me Some Lip sampler is really decent for $25 -- I think the Tarte Lipsurgence chubbystick is full size, and the other sample sizes are pretty big. I think this one is now out of stock, but if you're curious about such a thing, keep your eye out for the next sampler -- I've gotten one similar-type sampler from Sephora before, and the samples last a really long time.

The Tarte Stand Outs kit is also really nice (and still in stock!). You get a full-size gel eyeliner in a shimmery bronze shade -- I swatched a smudge of it on my hand, and it does not budge even when I rub my skin really hard. You also get a full-size Lipsurgence chubbystick in a pretty strawberry pink color with a bit of shine (I'm a big fan of this type of lip product -- if you want to try something similar but at half the price, try the Revlon lip balm stain sticks, which are awesome), a full-size double-ended eyeliner brush, and a sample size of the Lights, Camera, Lashes mascara.

I, uh, kind of went on a makeup spree this weekend and also ordered stuff from Clinique, which also arrived today -- I just got the Line Smoothing concealer (which I love because it doesn't settle into the lines under my eye) and a Chubby Stick Intense in Broadest Berry (I had seen this color in one of the recent Pixiwoo tutorials and was lusting after it, but I was only able to buy it when it was offered in a recent Clinique email....I don't actually see the product available in that shade on their website if I search for it. If you're interested in that shade or the other Intense shades [there are 7 others], here's the link from the email.)

And my Bobbi Brown order is coming this week. November has been a hard month for me, so this was pure retail therapy.

ackapoo
Nov 15, 2007

fun leads to abortions!


Rabbit Hill posted:

What I bought from Sephora was their Give Me Some Lip sampler and the Tarte Stand Outs kit. The Give Me Some Lip sampler is really decent for $25 -- I think the Tarte Lipsurgence chubbystick is full size, and the other sample sizes are pretty big. I think this one is now out of stock, but if you're curious about such a thing, keep your eye out for the next sampler -- I've gotten one similar-type sampler from Sephora before, and the samples last a really long time.

Ahhhh, I friggin love that lip set. The only thing that didn't really work for me was the Laura Mercier lip gloss (I thought it was a little boring) but the Bite lip gloss was one of my favorites. And I've been wearing that Lipsurgence one a lot more. There's a full-sized Sephora lip gloss also. For some reason I like the taste of that one...

animeluva1
Aug 9, 2003

Fuck Mohawk
Get Money


Gibbo posted:

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but I've got a question about waxing.

First off I'm male. Blonde, so the body hair is on the finer end of male hair. Been using a warm wax and having the lady friend do it. My legs always come out fine, minimal irritation, hurts a bit, maybe I'll get the plucked chicken look for an evening but it goes away.

But when she does my chest things go a bit differently. It takes a couple days for the chicken look to go away sometimes, and then it still looks like I have mild acne or something for weeks. I've tried both scrubbing it with a loofa and not scrubbing, neither seems to really make a difference.

Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong or could be doing to help mitigate this? Nowhere else on my body responds this poorly.

Hmn, I'm not sure if there's a European Wax Center near your area. It's a chain store for waxing and I love how affordable they are. They sell a product (available in store only) called Calming Cream that would be up your alley. Redness is not my issue after waxing so I'm not sure how well it would work.

Aloe vera gel (like the stuff you used for sunburns) and tea tree oil are common solutions too.

Best of luck finding a cure!

spatula
Nov 6, 2004


I would LOVE a bb cream guide.

RedFish
Aug 6, 2006
..blue fish, one fish, two fish: blue fish need not apply.

Gently Used Coat posted:

I've been interested in learning more about BB creams for a while now but wasn't sure where to start, so something like this would definitely help people like me!

spatula posted:

I would LOVE a bb cream guide.

This ended up longer than I imagined.

BB creams! in this guide - what they are, western BBs vs Asian BBs, what they do, what they donít, why theyíre awesome, where you get them, and some resources to look into that arenít some twat rambling into the camera for 20 minutes repeating things a quick googling has already told you.

What are they?
You can google a more in-depth explanation, but itís basically this: Back in the day, dermatologists in Germany wanted their post-cosmetic surgery (especially resurfacing treatments that mess up the skin) patients to wear something to protect their healing skin from the sun, and also to speed the recovery process. Their patients wanted to cover up their mangled flesh with makeup, and so BB cream was born. Part skincare, part sun protection, part makeup coverage. Some famous actresses in Korea got a hold of it, swore by itís skincare benefits, and it become A Huge Thing, bled into the rest of Asia, and now the US.

No seriously, what are they?
Skincare + sun protection + makeup.
A good BB cream should have itís ingredients listed in the order of skincare -> sun protection -> makeup, or at least sun protection -> skincare -> makeup. Thatís the difference between tinted moisturizer and BB cream. Itís also the difference between western and Asian BB creams; more on that later

BB= Blemish Balm, because itís supposed to help heal your skin. After trademark issues, BB can stand for Beblesh Balm and Beauty Balm and other random poo poo that stands for BB. Provided itís an Asian BB cream, youíre going to get a product that is supposed to be skincare first, and coverage second. That means compared to a foundation, itís going to be more sheer coverage, not as long lasting, and may not have the finish you want.

I tried Garnier/Maybelline/<insert American company> BB cream, and it sucked!
Yep. American BB creams are a foundation tint first, and a moisturizer second, with some random token sun protection or skincare thrown in so they can market it as a BB cream. Check the order of the ingredients list. Watch some reviews out there, by all accounts, western brands are BB creams in name only and suck donkey balls. If you want a tinted moisturizer, just buy that, donít waste your money on one that is capitalizing on the BB craze with nothing to back it up. Remember, BB creams are supposed to be multi-property skincare, not just a tinted moisturizer.
There is a Canadian brand Marcelle which has a highly rated BB cream, but otherwise stay the hell away from western brands. See Goss rant about how BB creams are bullshit ... and then clarify he's just talking about western ones.

I heard BB cream is a primer/concealer/foundation/moisturizer/sunscreen/acne treatment/under eye corrector/unicorn tears in a can.
BB creams can have a lot of properties, but try to keep in mind theyíre supposed to be skincare + sun protection + makeup, they are not a miracle product that can replace everything in your makeup bag. I still use moisturizer under mine, because I need it.

Primer: If you have issues with foundation not lasting if you donít wear a primer, thatís not going to change. You can either wear a primer under your BB, defeating the purpose of the skincare, or powder over it so it will last longer, or touch it up after a few hours if you need to.

Concealer: It will give you anywhere from sheer to almost-full coverage, but youíre better off using it like a heavier coverage tinted moisturizer and using an actual concealer to cover blemishes or dark circles. The idea is over time you will be able to rely on it needing to cover less, because your skin should improve and therefore you donít need as heavy a coverage.

Foundation/Coverage level: BB cream coverage is sheer to medium-full. They are meant to correct skin tone over time by improving the skin itself, not by covering it like a foundation. You will see ďblurs imperfectionsĒ in the descriptions, which is pretty accurate in my experience; it will soften/reduce the appearance of blemishes, but it wonít cover them completely. They are less noticeable than caked-on concealer, imo, but itís personal preference. They play fine with cream or powder concealers (I have tried both) so Iíd go that route. I choose to keep my coverage sheer because I want my freckles to come through, but itís buildable as long as you keep the layers thin and blend well. Sponges and tapping with your fingers works better than rubbing or brushes if you are trying to build coverage.

Finish: There are a ton of finishes out there, ranging from shiny to matte. The ones that say "diamond" "crystal" "pearl" ďglowĒ "dewy" "luminous" or ďmoistĒ are almost always going to be a shiny finish, because a "moist" finish is popular in Asia, whereas we tend to prefer satin, semi-matte, or full matte finishes in the US, and then we tweak shine with highlighters. Shiny all over is not something we're used to; it can look greasy to us. There are even tutorials on how to have shiny skin if you have acne which is so to me as someone who is used to acne = matte finish in conventional makeup wisdom. That doesn't mean you can't find one that has a semi-matte or matte finish; just be aware and read the descriptions carefully so you know what yours has. Even the matte ones will have a certain amount of light-defusing particles, because that's part of how it "blurs" imperfections and pretties up your overall skin tone.

Thatís why BB creams do not always look so great in photos but they are beautiful in person, because not only does your BB cream probably have reflective particles, it also has sun protection (usually in barrier, not chemical, form) so it can flash, really really white in photos. Beware. Either matte it down with a powder, or use one that doesnít have sun protection.

Regardless of finish type, I find BB creams a hell of a lot more natural looking than any foundation Iíve ever tried, including higher end ones like the Chanel Lumiere series. Especially natural looking when applied with a beauty blender type sponge.

Acne treatment: Thatís the idea behind a ďblemish balmĒ; it is supposed to heal your skin as it hides what is healing. You will get varied success with this, because some have traded skincare for more makeup qualities, but more likely you will have to do the same thing you do with all products: find the one that works for you. I will say that my skin gone apeshit every time I have tried to wear any kind of skin makeup (mineral makeup, liquid, cream, even stuff designed for acne-prone skin) but only one BB cream has ever broken me out. For me, BB cream has done an amazing job of improving my skin.

Wrinkle improvement: This is a common feature for a BB cream to have, especially the ones which have more moisturizing properties as opposed to oil/sebum control.

Whitening: This also pretty common, and it's partly why I love BB creams so much. Overall, my skin is clearer, my acne heals quicker, wrinkles have improved dramatically, skin texture is smoother, itĎs lost that dull, desiccated look, and best of all itís lightened back to itís normal pale color and brought back the glow I used to have before I moved here.

Wait, lightened?! BLEACHING: DO NOT WANT! It says ďWhiteningĒ!
No, thatĎs not what it means. The term ďwhiteningĒ in this context means breaking up melanin deposits in the skin either from acne scarring/hyper pigmentation, sun spots, or age spots. Western companies will often call this "illuminating" or "brightening" So, unless you are using some crazy obscure brand that no one has tested, the worst it will do is fade your tan faster if you have one. It has taken my skin back to what it was before I got a ton of sun damage.

I repeat, it will NOT bleach your skin. Instead, prolonged use (both in my personal experience and per reviewers) it will bring a lovely luminous, translucent quality in your skin. Itís a skin trait prized in asian beauty standard, it's linked to being rich enough to stay inside out of the sun while workers doing manual labor were tanned. Itís why you will see some weird sun protection masks and parasols being used in some countries.

Sun protection is almost universal in BB creams, unless they were designed to play nice with the camera. They are all rated with both SPF (UVB) and PA (UVA) and are usually much higher than what is commonly used in western cosmetics. Most use a physical barrier instead of a chemical, which could be why they are the first sun protection Iíve ever used that did not break me out.

My skin tone is X, can I wear BB creams?
Yes, although you might have a limited selection of brands to choose from if you have a deeper skin tone. Most of them do oxidize to a darker shade within 30 min, so watch for that.

Newbie tip!
Figure out your MAC shade, it will make it easier for you. There are guides online on how to determine your MAC shade. Most BB creams are in the NC20-30 range. If you know your MAC shade, just google it + bb cream and youíre almost guaranteed to find a post that gives you a corresponding BB cream. See the list of recommended brands below. Start with your shade, then work on coverage, finish, etc.

If you're super pale like me and everything is always too dark for you, you're in luck, because there are several BB options for you. I am currently around NC10-15 and I wear Missha Perfect Cover #13 and Skin 79 Orange Vita BB, and for the first time, I have something that matches my skin tone.
Update: Fair (NC and NW15) BBs swatched on NC30 skin and also these.

If you have a deeper skin tone, your best bet is Missha, has the widest range of shades, but in my experience, it does not have the same skincare benefits as some of the others I have used. It does have sunscreen, doesnít dry me out or make me oily, leaves a nice satin finish, decent coverage, is light, and doesnít break me out. Thatís it. I feel the Skin79 Orange Vita does a lot more in terms of skin care but doesnĎt have as nice a makeup finish, so I save the Missha for when I want a more foundation-like finish.

Marcelle's BB cream comes in some darker shades, and I have heard that Etude House has a BB that is good for NC30-35: confirmed
Update: here are some NC30-40 BBs swatched on NC30 skin

I am NC/NW 20-30, where do I start?
The BB world is your oyster. Popular brands I see people rave about are Missha, Skin79, Etude House, Holika Holika, Lioele, Fairydrops, Elisha Coy, Skinfood, Innisfree, Hadalabo (japanese brand), and Marcelle if you want a western brand.
Update: swatches of mid tone NC/NW 20-25 BBs swatch on NC30 skin

I tried X BB cream, and it made me break out!
Like all skin care products, there is no one size fits all. There are so many brands and formulas out there, that you are going to have to experiment to see which ones work for you. Prioritize what you want your BB cream to do, and then pay attention to the properties of the ones that match your shade.

Alternately, you might not have cleaned it off properly at night, which was something I ran into. Since BB creams are designed to absorb deep into the skin, your regular cleanser isn't going to cut it. I was using a Clarisonic every day to get it off, and it was wrecking my skin. There are specific "BB cleansers" out there. I have written a review of the one I use on my blog chronicling my adventures with Asian skin care in general.

Where do I get one that isnít fake, I donít want my skin to melt off from lead or some poo poo.
The best place to get them is from a retailer in your country that imports them directly from the manufacturers in Asia. Most popular BB creams are from Korea or Japan. Most commonly recommended sites are:
Misshaís official site
Pretty&Cute this was the most recommended site per youtube reviwers and bloggers. Iíve used them several times. Itís a little brick and mortar store with stellar customer service, ití a little more expensive but free shipping and super fast
Sasa.com, has versions for different companies, is frequently used by reviewers
pinky paradise.com also recommended by reviewers
My Sune this is the online shop of a brick and mortar store which posts product vids on: youtube

But eBay/Amazon/random site is cheaper!
If youíre ok with waiting weeks to get a possible fake shipped from an unknown source and risking above face melting, do it. If youíre impatient and/or donít want to risk a fake that might damage your skin, cough up the extra few dollars.

Reviewers:
-PBunnieP: Channel and Blog
Sheís my favorite BB reviewer because sheís incredibly detailed in her blog and provides useful reviews, including ingredients list, comparisons to other similar products, rating on coverage level, wear, finish, how it might react to different skin types, etc. She is also a big fan of foundation, so she frequently refers to foundations when describing the specifics of a particular BB cream.

I would recommend any newbie start with her overall comparison of BB creams. She has a TON of BB cream reviews, just search through her channel. I have found her reviews to be very accurate when compared to my own experiences with the same brands.

-Sparklysesamecat: Also has a few BB cream reviews, but this video is about how using them faded her acne scars (before and after pics included)
Here's a classic western vs asian BB comparison she does. Drugstore or prestige brand, either way, western BB creams are just a different animal.

-From Head to Toe: popular guru for Asian beauty products, has a video with a mass of BB cream swatches which may or may not be useful to you. I prefer her
blog post rather than the youtube video, which drags on: Part 1 Part 2

-Oiseau88: She is not as prolific as the others, but has a decent range of BB creams in her collection: intro to BB creams

If you have any questions left after all those let me know.

RedFish fucked around with this message at Dec 3, 2012 around 02:25

Plus_Infinity
Apr 12, 2011



That BB cream guide is great, thanks! I've been wanting to try out some brands other than Missha.

One thing that might be good for the OP is drug store finds that are actually decent. I know when I was first starting out with makeup, I'd buy whatever from the drug store and then be disappointed when they looked awful and think something was wrong with me! But I wasn't actually ready to spend tons of money on higher end stuff.

One drug store item I just tried and LOVE is Maybelline Full N Soft Waterproof Mascara. http://www.makeupandbeautyblog.com/ recommended it the other day and I tried it and honestly I like it more than any high end mascara I've tried (and I've tried quite a few!).

spatula
Nov 6, 2004


RedFish posted:

This ended up longer than I imagined.

BB creams!

Holy gently caress this is awesome, thanks! I linked it up in the OP.

And I really needed that explanation of "whitening".

Russian Dollies
Jun 25, 2006

Basically... RUN.

Hopefully this is on topic...

I am looking for a good makeup mirror. My mother has an old Remington tri-fold lighted mirror that is amazing, but they don't seem to make it anymore. I had a Conair, but the lighting was pretty weak on it, so I gave it to Goodwill a few years back. I was looking at a Jerdon, but so many people say that there is no way to replace the lighting on it when it goes out, and it seems to go out after only 9 months or so.

Are there seriously no good makeup mirrors out there anymore? I'm getting really frustrated trying to find a nice tri-fold.

stabbity
Sep 28, 2004



Finally took the plunge and signed up for ipsy (glambag). They reeled me in with their promise of an Urban Decay 24/7 eyeliner pencil. Hoping to get my favorite color and not just black, but honestly I'll be happy with whatever. Birchbox has been kinda bleh lately, though they did credit me 100 points for shipping so godawfully late in November. Going to use my two credits to purchase some Dr. Jart BB cream and cancel that subscription, I think.

Ipsy generally sends out a full-size product each time, yes? Or am I thinking of another subscription box?

horse_with_no_tail
Jan 9, 2008


A website I find really helpful: findation.com. It's a site that lets you put in your known foundation and concealer shades and then tells you your match in other brands. I know that the temptalia foundation matrix is recommended a lot, but I've never really figured out how to make that work.

I realize I sound like a shill, but I promise I'm not affiliated!

Candygram
Mar 25, 2009

Flowers? Plumber? Wait. I-I'm only a dolphin, ma'am.

RedFish posted:

BB Creams

I also have pale skin with freckles I don't want to completely cover. Does Skin79 Orange Super Plus BB have any coverage at all? Do you mix it with the Missha?

I have tried tinted moisturizers and I really hate that they make my skin look and feel a bit "dirty" if that makes any sense. They also tend to rub off onto my towels which is super annoying.

Mongoloid Joe
Jul 2, 2009


Have any of you guys tried the Revlon Colorstay Whipped foundation? I have a coupon and have been curious to try, as I like the idea of putting something whipped on my face!

e; I don't think anyone in this thread has tried anything else other than bb cream. A bb cream circlejerk. Oh well.

Mongoloid Joe fucked around with this message at Dec 4, 2012 around 00:51

RedFish
Aug 6, 2006
..blue fish, one fish, two fish: blue fish need not apply.

Candygram posted:

I also have pale skin with freckles I don't want to completely cover. Does Skin79 Orange Super Plus BB have any coverage at all? Do you mix it with the Missha?

I have tried tinted moisturizers and I really hate that they make my skin look and feel a bit "dirty" if that makes any sense. They also tend to rub off onto my towels which is super annoying.

The Skin79 Orange Vita is a more opaque coverage than the Missha #13, it's also a little darker and more yellow (see the swatches for fair skin link above). I apply it with a dupe of the blender blender sponge, it gives it a more sheer and natural look than if I applied it with my fingers or with a brush, because between the oil control properties, thicker consistency, and the heavier finish, it can get cakey fast if I don't apply it with the sponge. I hated the Orange's finish until I got the sponges, now it's my daily pick.

What do you mean by rubbing off on your towels? BB creams will definitely transfer onto your cell or your hand if you touch your face during the day.

Cortina
Oct 14, 2010


I'm glad I had already cancelled Glossybox for December (to minimize the damage of ordering the Pop Sugar Luxury Box), because this was a seriously disappointing month. Only one full size product, and the rest were samples, and a bust at that. The full size product was a black Illamasqua liner. The rest were some face serum, some body scrub, and a very strange solid perfume that came in a skinny plastic container like cheap lip balm and smells like fabric softener.

A distinct meh.

Look a sunflower
Jan 6, 2010

There may be a boogeyman or boogeymen in the house.


horse_with_no_tail posted:

A website I find really helpful: findation.com. It's a site that lets you put in your known foundation and concealer shades and then tells you your match in other brands. I know that the temptalia foundation matrix is recommended a lot, but I've never really figured out how to make that work.

I realize I sound like a shill, but I promise I'm not affiliated!

Wow, this looks really cool and really helpful! Do you know whether it's pretty accurate, or is it one of those things that's more useful as a guideline?

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007


I think it's probably going to be different for everyone. I put in my one known match, and it came up with a bunch of other stuff I've tried that totally doesn't work. I don't know if their logic is "if you're the lightest in X line you'll also be the lightest in Y line" or what. It is an amazing idea, though.


v If you're not rubbing your eyes anymore, do you have to use waterproof? I hate waterproof -- I can never get it off. I use normal, and I wash it off with soap and water, followed by Almay's oil-free remover pads (I love them). If you want to get pricier, Urban Decay's Clean & Sober is amazing for removing any kind of makeup.

Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at Nov 30, 2012 around 03:48

archwhore
Oct 4, 2007



So I got LASIK a month ago and have been given the go-ahead to wear eye makeup. Normally, whenever I would wear mascara I would just rub the poo poo out of my eye to get it all off. Since I'm not going to do that with my lazer eyes, I bought makeup remover wipes and it didn't remove any of my mascara. It removed my foundation but not the mascara. I am using Lash Blast Volume and have Olay makeup wipes. Is it supposed to work and I'm just retarded? Are there any drugstore makeup removers that are amazing at removing waterproof mascara that don't require a lot of rubbing?

girlwithgloves
Jun 5, 2011


archwhore posted:

So I got LASIK a month ago and have been given the go-ahead to wear eye makeup. Normally, whenever I would wear mascara I would just rub the poo poo out of my eye to get it all off. Since I'm not going to do that with my lazer eyes, I bought makeup remover wipes and it didn't remove any of my mascara. It removed my foundation but not the mascara. I am using Lash Blast Volume and have Olay makeup wipes. Is it supposed to work and I'm just retarded? Are there any drugstore makeup removers that are amazing at removing waterproof mascara that don't require a lot of rubbing?

Try oil based removers, heck even olive oil will work. Target sells this product, http://www.target.com/p/boots-botan...oz/-/A-12162633 which is olive oil based and I use it daily on waterproof. I lather it up, apply to closed eyelids, lightly massage, then I take a cotton pad soaked in warm water and apply that to my closed eyes for several seconds and then wipe the area clean.

certainsounds
Apr 27, 2008



For those a bit about what's in your makeup, the Skin Deep Cosmetics Database is a must (http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/). Pair that with My Beauty Bunny (http://www.mybeautybunny.com) to find cruelty free companies and you're on your way to some good girl karma.

Now, I get it - going toxicity and cruelty free sounds like a hassle and too hippy to be worth it, but it's actually not that bad. In fact, there are quite a few drugstore brands that satisfy one or both of those things (Almay, Physician's Formula, Burt's Bees, Milani, Wet n Wild). Now, it can get a little tricky here wading through who's who and what's what. For example, Revlon owns Almay and recently started allowing third party animal testing, so Almay is probably not cruelty free but it is paraben free and overall low toxicity. You do what you gotta do.

However, there are plenty of other companies that promise low toxicity and cruelty free while making awesome products that you may already be using. Personally, as long as Urban Decay, Bare Minerals and Too Faced are around I'm pretty set. At the very least, poke around SkinDeep to make sure what you're putting on you every day isn't causing you harm. Supporting companies that find ways to keep you safe while not mixing critters into it is pretty rad, too. Fortunately, these two things often go hand in hand.

MNSNTZR
Oct 13, 2012


Man oh man, that BB cream guide. Great job there.
I couldn't resist Missha's Black Friday sale, so here's hoping that it isn't too light for me like Clinique's darkest shade was.

All of my NYX stuff came in this morning and, much to my surprise, their Dance the Tides shadow is... pretty much exactly my skin tone. You wouldn't even think it swatched at all.
Is there anything I can do to make it show up at all, or am I just out five bucks?

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RedFish
Aug 6, 2006
..blue fish, one fish, two fish: blue fish need not apply.

MNSNTZR posted:

Man oh man, that BB cream guide. Great job there.
I couldn't resist Missha's Black Friday sale, so here's hoping that it isn't too light for me like Clinique's darkest shade was.

I'm glad the BB guide is proving helpful.


On your purchase: Yay! I was hoping you had ended up getting something! I was worried you'd fled the prospect of "whitening" since you never replied in the previous thread. Which shade did you end up with?

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