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Oh sweet. New thread. I only stopped by because I worked out how to turn off Trading in SotS1 and was looking for somewhere to tell people about it. Page 2 of a new thread makes more sense than page 300 of the old one. Or is this a well known thing?
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Dirk the Average posted:Out of curiosity, did you make a mod for it or download one? Just removing trade would cripple Morrigi (as their economy is primarily trade-based), and make Zuul a lot stronger, if I understand the way the game's economy works correctly. What I'd really like to do would be to keep Trade intact but just have 1 ship per trade route or something. e2: Which I just worked out how to do 
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Dec 6, 2012 03:16
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wdarkk posted:I thought there was a mod for that in the old sots1 thread. e: Nevermind, it's actually pretty trivial. Hooray! Splicer fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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Dec 6, 2012 03:31
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WMain00 posted:patched continually by a bunch of teenagers led by a paedophile?
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Dec 6, 2012 13:37
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WMain00 posted:Nothing, I just don't have alot of respect for Kerberos anymore.
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Dec 6, 2012 13:47
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Can anyone point me to a good rundown of how civilians affect economy in sots1? The kerberos one is horribly out of date. As far as I can tell, imperial population gives you cash equal to (pop/14), which is fair, but civilian pop gives you cash equal to (pop/42.4), which is an odd number. e: nevermind, worked it out. Imp pop gives pop/140,000, civ pop gives (pop/140,000)*0.33 Industry does the same (multiplies what would be imp pop * 0.33) Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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Dec 9, 2012 05:10
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Doctor Schnabel posted:Is inevitable overharvesting an actual thing in vanilla now?
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Dec 30, 2012 08:25
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Well they definitely innovated as far as the Zuul go. In the first Sots1 they were pretty much king of the mountain in multiplayer and a well played Zuul could be stopped by nothing short of a 2 man alliance or an opposing well played Zuul. Only the hivers could really hold the line against them 1v1 but they lacked the ability to contain their virus style colony expansion. Since I can't just turn off their +30% income benefit I've basically been looking at slaves, but could someone with more experience with Zuul tell me how important slaves realistically are to their effectiveness? e: I also made another mod that completely removes trade for everyone but a minimal version for morrigi, same problem with Zuul. Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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Jan 30, 2013 16:19
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Zuul also have trade in Sots2. The only thing other races can do that Zuul can't is trade with allies.
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Jan 30, 2013 19:45
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DatonKallandor posted:If you just use the mod that makes all freighters cost 5 times as much and have 5 times as much upkeep while being worth 5 times as much in trade (and limit trade routes to 1 freighter per route instead of 5 per route) there is no gameplay difference for the Morrigi or Zuul versus the other races. Trade still costs the same, has the same money output - it's just less hassle (by a factor of 5).
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Jan 30, 2013 22:18
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Dang. The thing about neutering trade for everyone else is that trade is just a fiddly way to get more money, so neutering it just reduces the amount of money everyone has. I just can't see a way to give Zuul less money without also ripping out a huge chunk of what makes them Zuul. According to the forums the modding community is hassling them to make the cash modifiers editable, in which case I'll probably just remove their 30% raw cash bonus and call it a day.
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Jan 31, 2013 11:11
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Nephilm posted:50,000 is a very low cost in SotS1... The only real issue is that there's no way to make the salvage project go faster, even if it's a tech that would take just a turn or two to finish with your current income/budget. Neruz posted:Every Salvage project I've had so far has cost less than Antimatter to research.
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Feb 2, 2013 12:09
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Hav posted:Edit: vvv Weirdly, I have disposable income to throw at them if they fix SotS II, but I wouldn't purchase a rogue-like for anything above $5 right now. We've even floated the concept of just breaking out the tactical game with a management frontend (maybe attach the designer to it), which most people would probably purchase...
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Feb 22, 2013 16:12
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Keisari posted:Yeah this is something I like. Also take note, the scout's eyes look in different directions.
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Mar 5, 2013 15:00
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Keisari posted:
Are those pre-order refunds still available? Serious question. I have not booted the game in at least a year.
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Mar 8, 2013 11:23
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Sword of the Stars series is now on sale of GamersGate for the weekend!
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Pound_Coin posted:Anyone got a screenshot of the Hiver research assistant on fire from researching English from SotS1? (my queeeeen) Splicer fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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Mar 13, 2013 12:31
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AndroidHub posted:Mercon started talking about how it "gives you a tiny taste of what violence is really like." Also the "20 of something you only need one of" is a solved problem in roguelikes. It's called a "You find a mysterious device with a hopper. Insert items?" (you insert X items) "Press a button (red yellow green)" (you press a button) "You have received (random item of less value than the total entered)!"
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Mar 15, 2013 18:01
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Arglebargle III posted:I chuckle whenever I see Mecron defend something with "realism." It's so unbelievably silly coming from a (presumably) grown-up game developer. Your move, Mecron 
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Mar 16, 2013 16:37
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Keisari posted:"Well technically they aren't going on faster-than-light speeds, but get around the fact by mini-teleporting, bending space or detaching themselves from the universe or some poo poo." e: What Neruz said. There are two issues with FTL. 1) You can't go FTL just by pumping out more gofast. 2) Should you find a way to travel other than pumping out gofast, and this method allows you to go FTL, you now have a time machine. Gates etc. all solve issue 1, but issues 2 is quietly ignored. Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Mar 16, 2013 |
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Mar 16, 2013 16:51
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Neruz posted:Not neccessarily; if the portal networks are all entangled it wouldn't be possible to emerge from a portal before you enter it. You can do some crazy insane causality nonsense by being in multiple places at the same time relative to your point of origin but you can't actually go back in time.
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Mar 16, 2013 17:01
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Though to be fair to SotS, a lot of this stuff only holds true in a dynamic universe. When you take into account whatever hideous catastrophe occurred to cease all stellar movement in the SotS dimension FTL becomes much more viable.
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Mar 16, 2013 17:21
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The long and the short of it is that realistic FTL is one of the many things that make reality not fun. If you want to have a multi-light-year strategy game you're going to have to throw out realism from the get go. Or have a super-realistic game where each turn is a decade and you only hear about things from the colonies several turns after they happen and taxing them is pointless because it costs more to ship anything than whatever it was was worth. Or make a really trippy game where you can use tricky maneuvers to refight battles and clone ships and the ultimate goal is to make sure your opponents never existed in the first place. Honestly I would play either of those games, though trying to multiplayer the first one might be a bit tricky. But anyway, "because realism" is never a good argument for a game mechanic. If it is one of the reasons you chose a particular mechanic over another that fulfilled the same gameplay need, that's different. And there's plenty of good gameplay reasons to implement a prototyping mechanic in a game. But you need to put the gameplay reasons first and the realism second. Just like how the "you" in SotS is an omniscient, immortal godbeing instead of some guy sitting at a desk reading reports about how there's been no communication from Alpha Colony in three days, which means they sent it 20 years ago/15 years ago (depending on which timeframe you're using) and you won't know more for another century, if you're lucky.
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Mar 16, 2013 18:07
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Nephilm posted:Soft sci-fi just gets around it by locking the entire universe in the same reference frame.
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Mar 17, 2013 01:19
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nessin posted:The whole causality problem is dependent upon our understanding of physics being correct which, if you can travel faster than light, then we're wrong. The entire premise is that an event, and thus the cause, isn't a thing until it can be seen by a particular frame of reference and if someone can introduce the event into a frame of reference that hasn't seen it yet, you've suddenly broken reality. Just because someone can see an event before someone else, then report it before the someone else see's it, doesn't mean the event magically didn't happen or you could somehow prevent it. Firstly, relativity isn't theoretical. Our satellites are affected by relativistic effects to exactly the degree predicted (requiring us to account for it when designing them and their orbits, such as having to run their internal clocks "too fast" or else they slowly move out of synch with earth-time). So if our understanding of relativity was incorrect then every single satellites would have fallen out of the sky due to accumulated synchronization errors by now. Secondly, being able to travel faster than the speed of light would not refute relativity. Relativity does not say you cannot get from point A to point B faster than the speed of light, mass–energy equivalence says that the energy required to accelerate you to that speed in normal space is greater than infinity. Should teleportation or wormholes or some other travel alternative to "apply your go faster engine in the correct direction" be discovered then relativity gives not the tiniest gently caress, but does state that your spaceship is also a time machine, good job. Finally, it has nothing to do with seeing things. That we use light to see is irrelevant. Relativity is not due to a special property of light. One of the consequences of mass–energy equivalence is that any massless particle moves at a constant speed of 299,792,458 m/s regardles sof your frame of reference, and relativity comes from that (among other things, over simplifying). It's only called the speed of light because photons are the massless particles we are most familiar with, and as such the thing we are most familiar with that moves at that speed. It could also be called the speed of radio, or the speed of glurge, glurge being a theoretical massless particle I just invented that functions exactly like a photon except it doesn't make people think that relativity is because eyeballs. Anyway, I've been giving serious thought to trying to play some SotS2. Is that a good idea or should I hold off another year or so? Similarly, would The Pit be worth the ~6 euro it'd cost next time GMG have a 25% off voucher? Splicer fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Mar 17, 2013 |
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Mar 17, 2013 19:31
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Hav posted:Oh.  OK fine they wouldn't fall out of the sky but GPS would be all screwed up. Happy?e: For some reason I thought the synchronization errors were larger that they are. Well, 391 years to fall a second out of synch is still look shut up all right
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Mar 17, 2013 19:59
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Xenoborg posted:I'm not sure if you were referring to it, but I'm utterly baffled that there are blackouts and redirects for spoilers on the Sots2 wikipedia Point Defence is in the Ballistics tree. It takes down Missiles and Drones. It is vital against the secret final form of The Pattern Screamer's Stellar Ship, and when used in conjunction with Phase Emitters it completely nullifies the Pattern Displacement beam's Asteroid Metamorphosis effect. The research cost is 15,000 spacebux. Now, if I'm misunderstanding you and you're saying there's literally no way to find out certain things if you're actively looking for them, well that's stupid, but you shouldn't have to risk having major surprises ruined because you wanted to find out how Trade works.
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Mar 20, 2013 10:42
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Neruz posted:You are misunderstanding, there is literally no way to find out certain things no matter how hard you look because Kerberos delete any references to it that appear.
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Mar 20, 2013 11:11
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MoreLikeTen posted:You guys need to either change the thread title or just designate someone to reiterate how terrible the game is every couple of pages, because I thought about picking this up, and it took a couple of pages for the bitterness to resurface and convince me nothing has changed. You guys are slipping
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Mar 25, 2013 00:17
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Aethernet posted:They are. See: http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32544.
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Mar 27, 2013 12:21
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Tomn posted:Building a ship, something that should pretty much happen in any game of Sword of the Stars 2 that goes beyond starting up and quitting, got 58.1%. Are these REALLY normal numbers for such basic, freebie achievements? Splicer fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Apr 12, 2013 |
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Apr 12, 2013 10:13
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wdarkk posted:In theory it'd be pretty easy to avoid most nodefucking as long as you're willing to agree to constraints like "all planets have at least two node connections" and "the graph is fully connected".
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Apr 18, 2013 11:53
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Neruz posted:Bottlenecks are just poo poo you need to deal with as Humans. Don't want to deal with nodefuckery? Don't play Human.
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May 2, 2013 16:21
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SIGSEGV posted:"AI and research tweaks" to be more diplomatic. That or they're so stupid that they honestly cannot tell the difference between the ship they just launched and a pile of rock heading in vaguely the same direction.
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May 19, 2013 23:12
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Say what you like about SotS1 trading, at least defending your freighters was as simple as dumping a bunch of outdated ships into the middle of a cube every few turns.
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May 21, 2013 02:44
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My answer to "for realism" is always going to be "You mean like an nigh-omniscient overlord micromanaging every aspect of a multi-light-year empire in real time "realistic"?" I really like the idea of the prototyping system. In my ideal system it would always give you one "negative" and two "positive" traits, so rapid prototyping is expensive, but you get unpredictable superships out of it. Realistic? No. In genre? Hell yes. Also, as said, better retrofit capabilities. SIGSEGV posted:The best piracy related bit in SotS1 was your own decommissioned destroyers coming back as pirate ships Splicer fucked around with this message at 15:56 on May 21, 2013 |
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May 21, 2013 15:50
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Cynic Jester posted:It's like they looked at SotS1 and thought "It's a good game, but I think we can add more stuff" instead of going "How can we make it better?". Oh and those little boogers that colonise planets, they sound adorable. SIGSEGV posted:Yes it did. It was fun the first five times and after that I wanted a police state button to find the contractor who said "decommissioning complete" and bury him alive for high treason.
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May 21, 2013 16:18
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SIGSEGV posted:There is a matter of acceleration and deceleration, since they don't go FTL they can't act without causality in the way. Or else they're not working on actual real-world physics and rather on whatever makes for good gameplay. Maybe I should tell Mecron that his Hivers lack verisimilitude. Splicer fucked around with this message at 01:51 on May 22, 2013 |
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May 22, 2013 01:46
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Kung Food posted:You can also just hand wave away problems with techno babble. Extreme acceleration and deceleration causing problems? BAM,inertia dampeners, problem solved. Or maybe hivers can just take it, as the fluff says their chitin is akin to tank armor. Any game or story involving interstellar travel already takes space magic, no reason to get hung up on details. What matters more is internal consistency. As long as it makes sense in-universe I don't really mind them going for more "realistic." Hiver STL is one of the more innocuous bits of fluff/gameplay and there are much better examples really. For example as someone who has a BS in Evolution and Ecology, the whole "only 1/1000 Tarka males is sexually viable" bit made my eye twitch. And that's my point, there's so much "unrealistic" stuff in there for gameplay purposes* that "because realism" is a stupid, stupid reason for anything. *I'm being generous here, it's more likely that Mecron&co just didn't understand how space worked when making their space game. (Mecron: If you're reading this, just give Hivers infinite range! Because all their ships have little gates in their engines that their planets keep pouring fuel into! All problems solved) JeffersonClay posted:Imagine if Endless Space had the SOTS2 combat engine instead of some stupid card game bullshit. That game would be awesome. *I am using this particularly awful example as a placeholder for all the terrible things wrong with Endless Space due to ~~~community voting~~~ Actually, SotS2 and Endless Space make a great compare/contrast of the problems that can be caused by two extremes of listening to your fanbase. Splicer fucked around with this message at 12:12 on May 22, 2013 |
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May 22, 2013 12:09
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Soylent Pudding posted:The Mecron-Boson is the particle responsible for the Mecron field, the universal source of
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May 22, 2013 19:49
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. This is not found near star systems as the intense solar wind drives Mecron-Bosons away. However in interstellar space, the concentrated smugness acts as a source of drag and eventually causes all nice things to grind to a halt. When transiting deep space hiver ships must constantly burn fuel to offset this drag force. Furthermore, unusually high concentrations of Mecron-Bosons are so unbearable they have been know to cause certain species of asteroids to commit suicide against the nearest inhabited planet.
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SIGSEGV posted:Nah, they know that, when they talked about what went in SotS they junked real space physics because it would be hellish to manage. They also dumped engine torches as weapons because it would be horrible for formations friendly fire parties and full 3D combat because it would suck too many computer resources to place satellites fortify a planet properly. (I'm gonna blame that one on kerbcode since kerbcode loaded every ship apart from the others in a mess where 30 ships of the exact same design were fine but 300 weren't even though there never where more than 30 in combat) 
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