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Parlett316
Dec 6, 2002

Jon Snow is viciously stabbed by his friends in the night's watch for wanting to rescue Mance Rayder from Ramsay Bolton
Passed Security+ today, 822. Used Gibson's book, his study site with the question gimmicks and listened to Prof Messer while on the road.

There was a few questions I was seriously grasping at but hey :guitar:

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CapMoron
Nov 20, 2000
Forum Veteran
I started using the LabSim material for WGU for Security+. I can't even do the simulations/tests because Sophos has detected Mal/MSIL-A on LabSim's site. :P

RightClickSaveAs
Mar 1, 2001

Tiny animals under glass... Smaller than sand...


RightClickSaveAs posted:

I want to say I remember seeing something at the beginning of the test when I took the 801 and 802 that said there would be some questions involving material that wasn't on the objectives that may not be counted towards the overall score? I wish I could remember the exact wording, but they used them as control questions or something. Does anyone else remember seeing anything like that in the preamble before you take the test, or am I remembering way wrong?

I remember seeing a couple things that weren't necessarily covered in the objectives, but it didn't seem like anything that would kill your score unless you're already struggling. I do know the Exam Cram books cover a few things that aren't on the objectives, because they mention there may be questions like that.
If anyone cares I found the thing I was talking about that pops up in the instructions before you take your test, they show it right in their exam overview video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVs-M3hValw

quote:

Some questions on the exam may be unscored. Unscored items are generally seeded on an exam to allow for the collection of preliminary psychometric data. These exam questions are included in the exam but are not scored. These questions have not impact on whether a candidate passes or fails the exam. Occasionally these questions may test a topic area that is not part of the exam objectives, and therefore is not covered in training materials. Again, performance on these questions has no impact on the candidate's score.
So it was mostly what I remembered, but who knows how many of the non-objective questions are actually unscored questions :tinfoil: Also "preliminary psychometric data" huh :tinfoil: :tinfoil:

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
http://www.techexams.net/forums/off-topic/86634-dealing-cheaters-braindump-users-real-life.html

draught posted:

I met a relative this weekend that had worked in IT for several years as a server admin. He wasn't really talkative about his job and I soon found why. Once I mentioned I was working on my CCNA the first thing out of his mouth was go to (popular well known braindump site) and I'd pass easily. He told me that's how he was able to earn his 3 Microsoft certifications one of which was the MSCE.

I obviously couldn't give him my actual opinion as this is a relative I've just met so I just nodded politely. I'm not surprised this loser lost his job and I hope he stays out of the IT field. What bothers me is I can't get other people to understand why braindumps are wrong and why it's basically cheating. I've been told straight-faced by friends that getting to see an exam before a test isn't cheating it's just "reviewing".

Am I explaining braindumps poorly to people? Even if you know nothing about IT it's obvious cheating period. I get annoyed because I've worked hard on what I have so far and I'm working extremely hard right now. It isn't right to say it's ok for people to cheat.

I needed vent, I just wish more people would understand cheating is wrong. Anyone have similar experiences? I don't mean just online where you can get the person banned, but in life where you have to deal with them; where it would you look bad, and impolite to call them out on it.


haha yeah gently caress THAT GUY I HOPE HE GOES HOMELESS


the gently caress is it with the people in this industry sometimes?

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
His reaction is too much and your reaction to his reaction is too much. Ain't nobody right.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

DPG posted:

This doesn't bother me as much as it did when I was new to IT certification. In the end, all certifications prove is that you know how to pass the test. There are so many other factors that decide who is "going to make bank" and most of them have nothing to do with intelligence or skills.

There are many cultures out there that believe in "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying hard enough."

PFH, look at this motherfucker



EDIT:

Mrock4 posted:

I have fought this for a long time, and it's a losing battle. While it's true that if they know their stuff they'll be good at the job and if they don't, they'll be found out..but this isn't always the case.

I have a colleague who openly brags about his use of braindumps. He's technically not bad at his job- so he's not going to get fired, yet he holds 20+ certifications which he admits to cheating for a majority of them.

At the end of the day, I feel an obligation to be somewhat vocal about the damage braindumps do to our certs..they DO impact us. Just because a guy who used a braindump doesn't get the job, does NOT mean it doesn't affect you..it does. If there are suddenly 2 million CCNP's, you're now a dime a dozen, and as a result you will not be able to bill a client the same as you would if there were only 200,000 CCNP's (just some random numbers to illustrate a point).


theres not enough :tinfoil: in this post

BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Aug 3, 2015

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005

Race Realists posted:

http://www.techexams.net/forums/off-topic/86634-dealing-cheaters-braindump-users-real-life.html



haha yeah gently caress THAT GUY I HOPE HE GOES HOMELESS


the gently caress is it with the people in this industry sometimes?

Whatever you do, don't read the Working in IT thread :smith:

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Ashley Madison posted:

Whatever you do, don't read the Working in IT thread :smith:

Too late.

good thing is DAF has long since been exiled from there :v:

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

It sucks but you're in good company. Those tests are pretty brutal depending on your actual hands-on experience.

Even real world hands on experience isn't enough to pass the Microsoft Exams. They throw so much MS specific poo poo at you that isn't used in the real world. No one uses MS Server for VPN dammit, we all get Juniper or Cisco appliances for that poo poo.

I've failed 3 out of my last 5 attempts on Microsoft exams. They're much harder than they used to be.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Took and passed the F5 101 (Network Fundamentals) exam today. It's pretty damned easy so long as you read through the study guide once beforehand to learn some of the product information. Apparently the 201 exam is quite a bit harder, but isn't too bad so long as you've worked with F5s before.

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy

skipdogg posted:

Even real world hands on experience isn't enough to pass the Microsoft Exams. They throw so much MS specific poo poo at you that isn't used in the real world. No one uses MS Server for VPN dammit, we all get Juniper or Cisco appliances for that poo poo.

I've failed 3 out of my last 5 attempts on Microsoft exams. They're much harder than they used to be.

Failing twice on the 70-685 kinda soured me on Microsoft certifications. I know I'll have to come back around to them with the Server 2012 MCSA eventually, but for now I'm trying to cert up without getting anything else from them for a while.

My score actually went DOWN on my second attempt, and that was after a few legitimate weeks of studying, wherein I really did get a stronger grasp on material.

Danith
May 20, 2006
I've lurked here for years

skipdogg posted:

Even real world hands on experience isn't enough to pass the Microsoft Exams. They throw so much MS specific poo poo at you that isn't used in the real world. No one uses MS Server for VPN dammit, we all get Juniper or Cisco appliances for that poo poo.

I've failed 3 out of my last 5 attempts on Microsoft exams. They're much harder than they used to be.

This concerns me because I'm studying to take the MCSA (70-410, 70-411, 70-412). Finished reading for the 410 and 411 and about to start on the 412 section

Is there anything I should watch out for when I actually go to take the tests? On the practice tests some of the command line programs can trip me up a bit but usually they have the right one listed in between 3 that don't exist

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Danith posted:

This concerns me because I'm studying to take the MCSA (70-410, 70-411, 70-412). Finished reading for the 410 and 411 and about to start on the 412 section

Is there anything I should watch out for when I actually go to take the tests? On the practice tests some of the command line programs can trip me up a bit but usually they have the right one listed in between 3 that don't exist

I've passed the 70-410 but failed 411 multiple times.

Expect questions in the form of:

pre:
You need to perform administrative task x
What command should you use:
[                 ]      [                    ]      [             ]
 Add-TaskProduct           -ServerName Server1        -Reciprocate
 Set-TaskComputer          -ComputerName Server1      -Mirror
 Set-TaskServer            -HostName Server1          -Correspond
 Approve-TaskServer
:suicide:

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Anyone thinking of studying for 410-411 should go through PowerShell in a Month of Lunches first. Really you should do that even if you're not studying for the MS tests.

beepsandboops
Jan 28, 2014
Got my CCENT today :toot: Used bits of Odom, Lammle, and CBT Nuggets.

Not sure if I wanna try for CCNA this year or next, but feeling good about getting Security+ and CCENT in one year.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

beepsandboops posted:

Got my CCENT today :toot: Used bits of Odom, Lammle, and CBT Nuggets.

Not sure if I wanna try for CCNA this year or next, but feeling good about getting Security+ and CCENT in one year.

Congratulations! I waited forever between my CCENT and CCNA, take my advice dont be like me. Just keep studying for it and try to take it sooner rather than later. Getting your mind back into the mode of being able to subnet on the fly took me some time. I really regretted waiting, just for how much harder it made it later and how much more quickly I could've advanced my career.

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy
Grats beepsandboops, hope to join you in that category (I got my Sec+ two weeks ago, started in on CCENT pretty much right away).

Man, I keep getting the impression that getting your CCNA is just a big jump-start to your career. Trying to keep my expectations grounded, but I'm excited that I'm finally studying for this, and to feel like I legitimately have a chance at learning the material. Hoping to take the CCENT before the year's up - I think that's pretty doable (my studying's a little hindered by having an 11 month-old daughter crawling around). Maybe even ICND2, though I'm definitely less sure about that.

Just got GNS3 up and running with a few routers and switches, learning the interface today.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Don't be a complacent half rear end like too many people I know. Get your CCNA.

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

Grats beepsandboops, hope to join you in that category (I got my Sec+ two weeks ago, started in on CCENT pretty much right away).

Man, I keep getting the impression that getting your CCNA is just a big jump-start to your career. Trying to keep my expectations grounded, but I'm excited that I'm finally studying for this, and to feel like I legitimately have a chance at learning the material. Hoping to take the CCENT before the year's up - I think that's pretty doable (my studying's a little hindered by having an 11 month-old daughter crawling around). Maybe even ICND2, though I'm definitely less sure about that.

Just got GNS3 up and running with a few routers and switches, learning the interface today.

I passed ICND1 after about two months of studying a couple hours a day. Maybe about 150 hours total? I was way over prepared too. I think passing both by the end of the year is definitely realistic if you're focused.

beepsandboops
Jan 28, 2014

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

Grats beepsandboops, hope to join you in that category (I got my Sec+ two weeks ago, started in on CCENT pretty much right away).

Man, I keep getting the impression that getting your CCNA is just a big jump-start to your career. Trying to keep my expectations grounded, but I'm excited that I'm finally studying for this, and to feel like I legitimately have a chance at learning the material. Hoping to take the CCENT before the year's up - I think that's pretty doable (my studying's a little hindered by having an 11 month-old daughter crawling around). Maybe even ICND2, though I'm definitely less sure about that.

Just got GNS3 up and running with a few routers and switches, learning the interface today.
Thanks! It definitely can't hurt to get. Good luck!

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005

psydude posted:

Don't be a complacent half rear end like too many people I know. Get your CCNA.

QFT. Keep the train rolling while you still have a habit of doing your homework.

single-mode fiber
Dec 30, 2012

I hear they do a cool thing with the R/S lab now, wherein the troubleshooting section is up front, and graded ad hoc, and if you don't actually pass that section, the rest of the lab you're given will be virtually impossible to finish in the time constraints and have almost no chance to be memorized.

hitachi
May 2, 2003

Hail to the King, baby

Ashley Madison posted:

QFT. Keep the train rolling while you still have a habit of doing your homework.

I am seriously considering going back to school just to get back in the study mindset. I work a job where I could study for hours almost every day but I am so complacent it makes me feel like poo poo.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Set aside an hour a day and consider that your school hour. For me it was making my day longer, optionally staying from 5 to 6 four days a week. All I would do is study for the CCNA with no distractions because I wasn't expected to do work and I wasn't at home with thousands of other things to do.

Finished much faster than I thought I would.

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006
Does anyone have a preferred book for the CCNA Security exam? I've been using the Lammle book for RS and like it a lot, but I'm not seeing anything comparable to that.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Danith posted:

This concerns me because I'm studying to take the MCSA (70-410, 70-411, 70-412). Finished reading for the 410 and 411 and about to start on the 412 section

Is there anything I should watch out for when I actually go to take the tests? On the practice tests some of the command line programs can trip me up a bit but usually they have the right one listed in between 3 that don't exist

How much experience do you have with the products? Actual hands on.. in a lab, VM, work, whatever.

The odds of you just reading the books and passing the test are slim to be honest. The books are a good guide, but nothing beats actually doing it.

For example, I've been doing this about a decade, but I just stood up my first Mircrosoft based Enterprise PKI system (ADCS)a few weeks ago. I knew the basics from studying for exams, but the amount I learned by actual doing it, making mistakes, and then fixing those mistakes just can't be replicated by reading.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

crunk dork posted:

Does anyone have a preferred book for the CCNA Security exam? I've been using the Lammle book for RS and like it a lot, but I'm not seeing anything comparable to that.

I have Keith barkers book and it has been thorough when I've referenced it at work.

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

Bigass Moth posted:

I have Keith barkers book and it has been thorough when I've referenced it at work.

That's the Cisco official one right?

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER
That's the one I used, that and the lab manual to round it out as there's not much in the way of exercises in the official cert guide.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
these CCNA/P Data Center certs seem intriguing to me

anyone here know someone whos taken it or has it?

1000101
May 14, 2003

BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY FRUITCAKE!

Race Realists posted:

these CCNA/P Data Center certs seem intriguing to me

anyone here know someone whos taken it or has it?

The CCNP Data Center will cover a lot of UCS, a lot of Nexus and a small amount of storage (MDS switching.) The exams for them are also partner specialist exams and I don't think there are any simlets on any of the tests.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
no sims is a good thing,

right?... :(

Watching keith barkers ipv4 subnetting videos.

if there was ever anything to remind me how much i am literally retarded when it comes to math, these videos would be it

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
Can you count to four? Congrats you can learn submitting.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Keith Barker posted:

what is the subnet that the host 22.23.24.121/26 is connected to?

Im supposed to reverse engineer this, but the CIDR notation is throwing me off and making it difficult to find the block size.

EDIT:

Nevermind, I see what I was doing wrong. I was count the bits in the third octet instead of the FOURTH octet :downs:

Just so im sure, they dont give the CIDR notations for Subnetting questions on CCNA/P exams?

BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Aug 9, 2015

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
You need to know it all man.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
i ask, how expansive are Subnetting sections on CCNA/P exams? Im finding converting to binary to be relatively simple, but the rest is going to take awhile.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

Race Realists posted:

i ask, how expansive are Subnetting sections on CCNA/P exams? Im finding converting to binary to be relatively simple, but the rest is going to take awhile.

If you can't subnet quickly and correctly it's going to be painful.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
so be it

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

http://subnettingpractice.com/

I had trouble with subnetting at first too, just drill with the basic questions until you're doing them extremely fast and without error, and then move onto the regular ones and do the same thing.

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BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
many thanks

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