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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I used to work at an ISP and the network engineers all worked exclusively in the CLI on Cisco switches/routers. They did sometimes use the GUI on the ASA firewalls.

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Sylink posted:

Also, can anyone recommend me books to learn Apache/MySQL optimizing? I'm working with a magento webhost now and while I have setup LAMP before I would like to know more tips and tricks if you will.

Weeks late on this, but I didn't see anyone reply to you. High Performance MySQL is really really good. It describes a lot of poorly understood and underappreciated features like partitioning and explains confusing configuration options in great detail. But more importantly, it drives home the idea that 99% of performance problems in DB's are related to terrible query design and/or terrible schema design :v: That 100x performance gain you need is much more likely to come from rewriting your query to use an index than by finding the perfect magic value of some obscure setting in the config file.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Oh I definitely still recommend getting it. It discusses a lot of other important topics like backups, high availability and how to keep your DB's from growing forever, turning into a disk space black hole. It's a great book.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Half-duplex, brah. I'm saving so much money on those duplexes :smuggo:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

three posted:

It can vary, but engineers build the solution and admins manage the solution.

This is my big picture take on it, too. But yeah, IT as a field is really terrible about having standardized titles. A systems engineer at one company could easily have the exact same pay and job description as a systems admin at another.

You'll also likely find that at small to medium businesses, one person wears both hats. I've only worked at places with a couple dozen to a couple hundred employees, and I've always been responsible for IT projects from research to implementation to maintenance end-to-end despite my title being "system administrator". IMO the distinction only becomes relevant when you're talking large enterprises or something like a consulting firm that gathers requirements, develops a solution and then hands it off to the client for their own sysadmins to run.

psydude posted:

I've seen a lot of systems engineering jobs requiring programming (not just scripting) knowledge for some reason.

I could see this, too. A developer role that is focused purely on internal infrastructure rather than customer-facing apps.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Gammatron 64 posted:

All right, I got my A+ certification! :toot:

Congrats :guinness: I gotta ask, since you haven't posted about much else in this thread, why were you going after the A+ and where are you hoping to get in a couple years?

DropsySufferer posted:

Now who here is interested enrolling in my exclusive (and very expensive) program to earn your GOON+ certification?

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

n0tqu1tesane posted:

So, I got this from Cisco in my email today.

quote:

While more than 99 percent of things in the physical world today are still not connected to the Internet, the phenomenon called "the Internet of Everything" will soon wake up everything imaginable.

haha who the hell gets paid to write this poo poo? :allears:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Ozu posted:

I was given a nudging by my manager to start pursuing a higher level security cert. I've been in a sort of hybrid Sr. Windows SysAdmin/IT Security role for a few years now and with a new CIO re-org coming, it definitely can't hurt. My future goal is to move into a senior ITSec role when/if one becomes available.

I assume he's nudging me towards CISSP but I think CCNA Sec, CEH or SSCP would also be valid paths. Which would you pick as far as effort and knowledge value go? I read the "Why You Should Not Get A CISSP" pdf a few pages back and I agree with a lot of the points, but if it ensures my positional standing at a job I quite enjoy, I still do it.

If you haven't spotted it, we have the beginnings of a pretty good Infosec thread here in SH/SC, too.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

The Red Hat certs (particularly RHCE) are basically the only legit Linux certs. They're definitely respected and included in job postings.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

hackedaccount posted:

Mods / OP make people stop talking about dumping.

FYI the poster above you is the OP :cool:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Tab8715 posted:

What kind of job may one get with the Linux+ and RHCSA? It seems like the only thing is a possible job at Rackspace, but really don't want to move to Texas. :smith:

A... Linux admin job? There are lots out there, both in large organizations and flashy web startups. Get RHCSA/RHCE (I don't see a lot of demand for Linux+ personally, YMMV), learn at least one of Ruby or Python and one of Puppet or Chef, make fat stacks. I don't even have Linux certs and I get hit up by recruiters on LinkedIn several times a week for Linux work.

Mugaaz posted:

I understand and accept it, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend it isn't as morally bankrupt as cheating. I've never gotten a single job, ever, through networking. I guarantee you if we had more meritocracy going on and less politicking we would have much better economy going. Every place I've worked has done this poo poo with promotions based on knowing people, or time, or going to the same church as the head manager, its all bullshit. I work there for a year or two, make them a shitload of money, then they act all surprised when I leave. I've adapted to the situation, but I'm not going to resort to this poo poo unless it becomes a matter of life or death survival.

:goonsay:

Just poking fun, but come on. Forming interpersonal relationships is not "morally bankrupt". We do not live in a strict technocracy where the guy with the best CCNA score gets every promotion by default, and thank god, because maybe he's a good guy but maybe he's a raging rear end in a top hat who will drive all of his new underlings to quit and ruin the company. But hey he can subnet like a pro so send him up the ladder! Promoting or hireing your friend who is totally unqualified is an awful thing but that's flat-out nepotism which is very different from networking. Networking is just being a likeable human being who interacts with his peers and isn't a dick.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 06:30 on May 16, 2013

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Mugaaz posted:

Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom.

Nice strawman. My point is that generally a promotion equals increased management or leadership responsibilities and there is basically zero correlation between technical ability and management ability. Dealing well with others is a good way for the boss to get a feel for management ability.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Powdered Toast Man posted:

Against my will, it appears that I'm back into Windows sysadmin. Now, on the plus side, I have an employer that will pay for (passed) exams for now.

Congrats on finding work again so fast. Hopefully this place is less of an rear end in a top hat to you :unsmith:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

KetTarma posted:

I decided to see if my local community college has any interesting IT related courses since my courseload is going to be lax fairly soon and....

18 credit hours for a CCNA class spread over 3 semesters? What?

Spoiler: A lot of schools are really exploitative and/or just plain bad. Although that curriculum looks geared toward taking a random person from "wut r computar?" to CCNA certified which might legitimately take that long. I mean, the first course is Basic Computer Concepts.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

How's the typical quality on the Kindle edition of Cisco Press stuff? I'm considering going for a CCNA (:smithicide:) because my boss really wants someone else on the team besides him to have networking expertise, and the Kindle version of Odom's new book is half the cost of the dead tree one. I'll probably get work to expense it either way, but ebooks are pretty convenient as long as they're not an awful hack job of a conversion.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Charles Martel posted:

Should there be any worries about employers seeing that I don't have the base A+ / Net+ certs if I go straight for CCENT if I start looking for entry-level network jobs?

Nah. By all accounts the CCENT (and obviously CCNA) is more in-depth and challenging than N+ so it just shows you're ahead of the curve. And any company that requires its net engineers to hold an A+ is clearly insane.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

You want to be a Network Engineer. Yes, those are very valuable certs.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer here (decide for your drat self), but my boss got back to me today about paying for me to take the CCNA. He said he'd make the case to management if that's what I really want, but our company uses almost no Cisco gear. We're into Force 10, Juniper and F5. Basically "if you want a resume builder and general network knowledge, sure, get the CCNA. If you want to study poo poo that will let you contribute right off the bat to the network team here, think about the JNCIA/JNCIS". I'm a sysadmin but networking is both interesting and kind of a blind spot to me in IT so I'd like to study something. Boss' background is as a CCNP-level network engineer so he knows at least the Cisco cert track well.

Are the Juniper certs at all valuable? I like my job and have no plans to leave, but if I have to choose between a bullshit but company-relevant cert and a great but semi-tangential one I'll take the great one. If the company goes under/sells/whatever I'd rather walk away with a CCNA but that's just my gut feeling. If there's a half decent market for Juniper certified folks I'm not opposed.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I feel like I've posted this before, but I think you're aiming too low. The A+ cert is for people with no IT experience whatsoever wanting to get their foot in the door for that first job. If you already have IT of any kind on your resume, don't bother. No one cares if you can rattle off every CPU socket ever used since the 8086.

If you really like networking and have at least a basic understanding of it, think about the CCENT/CCNA rather than Network+.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CloFan posted:

Based on a few practice tests, I could take the A+ tomorrow and pass no problem, but I'd still study some before I took it for real.

Again, the A+ is what you get if you have never worked in IT and want to start at tier 1 help desk. It is not going to teach you anything helpful, nor will it add the slightest value to your resume. You're asking your employer to withhold a raise in return for something worth $0. Just because it's the most entry level cert doesn't mean you have to start there; it's skippable.

As everyone else says, a strong networking background is invaluable in security, the two go hand in hand. If they totally refuse to go for it, maybe look into the MCSA: Windows Server track or something. But a networking cert for the security guy shouldn't be an awfully difficult case to make.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

It's not worth it... to your boss because you'll peace out for a job that pays 150k and he'll be stuck with no one.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

skipdogg posted:

Yes. Know the everloving loving poo poo out of DNS. You should be able to know exactly what kind of zone does what, and when to use each kind of zone

This is good advice in general. I've run into a lot of "IT people" who have no drat idea what the difference between forward and reverse DNS is, or say an A record and a CNAME. If you gently caress up DNS, your entire infrastructure might as well be down so it's kind of important.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

psydude posted:

To jump straight into a networking role from helpdesk you're basically going to either have to know somebody or be super lucky. You can definitely get into one without certs and without knowing someone, but it'll take you a bit longer.

This. When I was at a midsize ISP the only guy promoted to junior network engineer off the helpdesk was both a) actively working on his CCNA and had let management know and b) literally the only support tech who knew his rear end from his elbow so was already on their radar. You're not going to submit your resume with no certs or experience for a networking gig and get a call back. But if you buddy up to the team at your existing company, soak up knowledge from them and demonstrate your value, you might get promoted internally.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

MrBigglesworth posted:

Welp, the guy I was referring to was fed the wrong friggin test. Instead of getting 70-742 he was fed 70-643! Argh I hope I get the correct one tomorrow.

:wtc: I hope he at least gets a full refund and chance to retake for free.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

There's a dedicated home lab thread here in SH/SC now, FYI.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

QPZIL posted:

I'd say that you should either use an evaluation version of RHEL or use CentOS. It's pretty straightforward and easy to get an evaluation copy of RHEL though.

Yeah Fedora is different enough that it's not appropriate, but CentOS is also free and is literally just RHEL with trademarks like logos changed out.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

If that's the syllabus it does make me wonder how seriously the new cert will be taken. I've never been a full-time "VMware and nothing else" admin and I feel like I could pass what Fruit Stripe posted with a weekend of cramming. It sounds like "read our marketing bullet points back to us".

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

teejayh posted:


EDIT: Calling the CISSP the CCIE of security is a stretch.

That is the joke :ms:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

El_Matarife posted:

Teachers at the college level, whether community or state school, tend to have a few guys that are the technological Amish. They just pick some year in the 1990 rather than the 1650s as the date upon which they will no longer use or learn technology.

:allears: This is an incredible description and I am going to start using it. I've definitely worked with people like that. "If it was best practice in 1997, it's best practice now."

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Alctel posted:

I got signed up but that promo code only takes 50% off sadly :(

For me the exam starts at 50% off. Then you apply the code and get 100% off. But yeah their poo poo-rear end site is crashing for me, too.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

:lol: What's up team VCA-DCV? Passed the exam in about 10 minutes. I did quickly plow through the free training module, probably would have passed without it but it refreshed me on a few things I would have missed. Thanks for the heads up on the discount code! When I called Pearson to finish registering the agent was super helpful, only took a couple minutes.

My candidate ID came in an email titled "VMware Inc Online Exam Scheduled" from PearsonVUEConfirmation@pearson.com, if that helps.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

The CCNA is literally the CCENT plus additional material, so yeah, you do have to start there :) You can either take the two exams separately, or as one big-rear end exam all at once. That's the case with both the old and new style exams.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Just a heads up: I got an email from the Stanly Community College cheapo VCP course in my spam folder today. Some people must have bailed and they seem to be going through the waitlist. I decided it's not worth it for me at this time, but if you signed up, check your spam folders.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

smokmnky posted:

How/where'd you get the voucher? I'm interested in picking up other certs regardless of the "quality". Anything I can do to my profile/resume I'm looking to add it. It also helps I find virtualization an interesting topic

A few pages back (either here or the Virtualization thread, I forget) someone posted a discount code that stacked with the 50% off promo already running on Pearson's site. The net result was the exam was totally free. It was only good for a few days, though, and might be expired by now.

Also not to stir up this shitstorm again, but the "difficulty" of the VCA certs is not being exaggerated. It's literally just regurgitating VMware marketing materials and can be completed in 10 minutes. I'm not sure I could recommend paying money for the cert, even to someone with no experience whatsoever. It's a joke.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, my brain is kind of mush right now so I might be missing the obvious. I'm looking to get certs for something entry-level ASAP. I studied for an old version of the A+, but never took the test itself. Aside from that, my experience is just setting up and fixing home networks and PCs. I was planning on getting the A+, MCSA, and CCNA as quickly as I could get through them. Is the N+ worth getting if I'm already going for a CCNA? Or is the CCNA difficult enough that I should get the N+ for the immediate job hunt?

I'd suggest you not bother with N+. You can do the CCNA in two parts, CCENT and then full-blown CCNA. Consider getting your CCENT and then you can decide if it's worth it to you to finish out the second half. You'll get most if not all the knowledge you'd have gotten from Network+ and be halfway to a CCNA.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

three posted:

The Jang book rocks, but you'll want some experience as well. I thought it was a cool test. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be based on Jang's book/questions.

I need to get off my rear end and study this. Had the book for a while but not the motivation to study Linux all night after, well, working in Linux all day :effort: I do get the impression from what I have worked through that if you have a fair amount of Red Hat experience from your day job the RHCSA at least isn't rocket surgery.

And congrats on passing!

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CrazyLittle posted:

new promo code, exp 11/15: VCA13ICS

A google search for that code turned up several more. I haven't tried any of them so who knows.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Is that MS cert a rubber stamp joke like the VCA or closer to the VCP end? Phone browsing at the moment so hard to tell.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

incoherent posted:

They want you to basically deploy a hyper-v production environment. I don't know how two days of 9:00pm to 4:00pm sessions to cover all that information is going to allow anyone to pass that test.

Neat. I only touch Linux these days (and don't want to go back to Windows!) so it's kind of an academic question for me, but that sure sounds like a better cert and a better use of time than VMware's free certs.

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CDW posted:

Got my A+, only had a few wonky questions about how many pins hardware component _____ has. Now I either start on Network+ or my boss is gonna jump that and make me learn Crystal Reports or Kofax to specifically help the business, not excited about that as I doubt they will help me jump ship like a+ and n+.

Depends where you want to go with your career. If you like the very technical side of things and are shooting to become a sysadmin or network engineer, Crystal Reports and whatever the hell Kofax is is not going to be terribly interesting or take you very far. If you like the reporting and business analytics stuff, then those products are probably right up your alley.

We could give you better advice if you elaborate on what you want to be doing a year or two from now.

edit: congrats on passing :cheers:

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