Rith posted:

I'll be surprised if that's the case; it relies on three unlikely things:

1: Hanamura's voice wasn't noticeably muffled by the floorboards, and
2: nobody noticed that his voice seemed to be coming from strangely low down, and
3: Hanamura was confident that nobody would notice this, because otherwise he presumably wouldn't have spoken.

It is a little strange, though, that we hear Hanamura speak during the blackout when he wasn't present before and doesn't appear to be present immediately after (it's hard to imagine he wouldn't have commented on Tsumiki's unfortunate plight when the lights came back on if he'd been around), so maybe he did speak from under the floorboards, even if that seems a bit implausible.

symptom posted:

I guess until the game tells us that the doors were closed during the power outage, we won't know that the fire door were closed and locked during the power outage. It may all just be a red herring then, or the key to the case.

Falls Down Stairs posted:

I think you're on the right track, but I'd still think if he put his hand on those doors, they'd open; someone guiding themselves along a wall tends to lean a bit so it would in theory be plausible that he realized the fire doors were there went through.

orenronen posted:

kidcoelacanth posted:

I think doors like that typically slide rather than swing. I could be completely off-base though.

symptom posted:

I just had a couple of thoughts just now:

Nagito had to leave the hall to get the carpet. When he was in the market, he probably saw Togami grab the night-vision goggles. He probably grabbed a knife from the market too, it wasn't one that Togami had already confiscated and wasn't a kitchen knife either.

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Nagito already knows the rules for investigation so he already knows that Monobear probably unlocked all the door during a investigation (if I'm remembering the rules from DR1). He was pretty insistent on not letting Hinata explore around as was following him around for most of the investigation.

This is probably leading up to Nagito killing Togami as the original plan, but someone (probably Hanamura, although more is most likely needed to be sure) interfered, but killed Togami anyway.

lotus circle posted:

Is this supposed to be another "Nagito is Naegi" thing? Because if it is you better give more loving credibility to that theory instead of assuming things.

symptom posted:

Well unlike the first case of the the last game, there isn't a big "This person's the murderer!" sign. The closest there is is a missing skewer that sorta points to Hanamura based on it being something a cook uses. Until we know more later on, there's only so much that we can speculate on.

Dejablue posted:

So I guess it is the unanimous idea that Nagito was going to try and murder Togami but it didn't quite work out the way he wanted.

MonsterEnvy posted:

(Don't worry no spoilers)

slowbeef posted:

I was with you, but I came around to the floorboards thing.

Right now, the best evidence is that Gundam actually did make it under the floor, showing that it's possible to. The only way the floorboard theory works is if you know someone else is going to be under that table. The leading theory is that Teruteru became aware of Nagito's plan and when the glow in the dark tape was obscured from his view (from the floorboards), he realized someone was there and stabbed, not realizing it was Togami.

Falls Down Stairs posted:

No it doesn't. It still leaves up to chance the whole idea that anyone would notice the knife at all and decide to care about it more than getting the lights back on. Meanwhile, the person who planted the knife probably planted it close to the centre of the table because if it were near the side, say using the corner of the table as the landmark, someone might have found it by just leaning on the table or something.

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Another problem with the knife being a lure is that if that's the case, the only person who noticed it was standing way the gently caress on the opposite side of the room and needed night-vision goggles to get from one end of the room to the other. Togami would be the least likely person to get killed in that case.

The knife being a lure is a bad theory.

QuarkJets posted:

Based on the drawing, and the fact that the hallway is positioned along the outside of the lodge, these are fire doors that swing shut and only open in one direction: toward the exit. This is important because it means that no one could have gone toward the kitchen or storage room during the blackout. If the entrance to the underground area is in the storage room, then Hanamura was the only one with access to it. If the entrance to the underground area was somewhere else, like the office or the bathroom, then Hanamura is probably innocent (because he was in the kitchen before and after the blackout).

Tunahead posted:

The motive is the easy part, really. Nagito is powerfully insane.

He's SHSL Luck. His name is "It's Makoto Naegi". He says we must not give up hope. You know, like Naegi might do.

He doesn't look like Naegi. He talks about hope like someone who once heard someone else talk about hope but didn't understand what the word meant. His outlook is suggested to be more negative than Naegi's.

If you put these things together, you get someone who wants to be Naegi but isn't. This further suggests that this definitely isn't a prequel of any kind, because why the hell would Naegi have a groupie prior to the events of the first game. Someone who knows Naegi is definitely an obstacle to a nutter like this.

I will never trust Nagito. Not even if he makes it through this trial completely unscathed, not just from punishment but also from suspicion. You can overlook a lot of things, but you can't overlook who he is trying to resemble and failing to do so.

Tunahead posted:

"Invasion of the Naegi Snatchers"

Sporkaganza posted:

Huh, that's a really good answer.

Tomn posted:

^^^^
That there is pretty glorious.


You know, considering how often people miss bits and bobs of speculation here and there, it might be a good idea if some insane, devoted goon were to start keeping an official list of all the major points of speculation the thread has come up with to help out those who aren't keeping up with the thread.

It's either that, or accepting that some folks just don't feel like keeping up with a dozen or more pages of speculation, at least half of which propose theories so off the wall they're not worth the time it takes to read them.

whitehelm posted:

Why would we need to prove Hanamura wasn't in the room when the lights came back on? Everyone could clearly see he wasn't in the room at that time.

VoidBurger posted:

Brainwashing? Pfftftff. If the spinny eyes prove anything, it's that Nagito is totes a robot and those are his badass robot-eyes. He was simply calculating a retort.

Or maybe he's on his anime period and that's a common symptom of anime periods. Which ALSO means that HE is the crossdresser in our midst, not Kuzuryuu! Fools, all of you! Fools!!

orenronen posted:

Gamerofthegame posted:

Hm.

It's been said time and time again that Hanamura wouldn't have much of a reason to go blindly below the floorboards to shank someone, as carpet covered most of the room. But what if he knew of Nagito's plan before hand, though for whatever reason didn't tell people about it. Maybe to get his murder on instead, but he was there the entire time Nagito was setting up his plan. He could have went under the floorboards in preparation for Nagito to be under the table, however Togami pushed him away and ended up well stabbed himself.

It make make the Hanamaru did it theory make sense. Murder the would-be murderer. It'd also keep the clothes in play, as Hanamaru covered himself with them expecting to be bloodied.

Skunkrocker posted:

Could have been a possibility, or maybe he was just agitated with Togami for "ruining" dinner by taking away all the things that could be used as weapons.

TheDavies posted:

Well, given that the most damning clue comes to us from MonoBear's hand, it's not impossible that he's being framed really well and that we're all on the quick road to group suicide. Or that something else is going on.

slowbeef posted:

Also Nagito is really bad at inspiring hope in people.

GrizzlyCow posted:

He's not obsessed with either Naegi or Junko. He's not half-Hope, half-Despair. I mean, if that is your theory, fine, but that isn't what game has shown us so far. Where are you even getting this stuff?

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Perhaps you should even call me a "Super High-school Level Super High-school Level Fanboy"!

HangedManArcana posted:

Nagito is the fanboy of the Super High School Levels, not specifically SHSL hope or SHSL Despair.

Addict posted:

I am thinking that Hajime had a Total Recall style mindwipe, and hes actually a SHSL World Destroyer. Monobear's talk about the World Destroyer being a hero makes a little more sense this way, the main character of the game is usually considered the Hero.

Skunkrocker posted:

Come on! It's all a coincidence, right?! She's not REALLY a werewolf, is she? We were joking Spike, stop loving with us!

luchadorable posted:

2. In the first game, a sword was used like a baseball bat; what if in this game, a baseball bat is used as a sword? (a.k.a. one of my higher reasons for thinking that Peko is the killer)

HoneyAltoid posted:

I hadn't thought of it being Nidai but after reading everyone's theories, it lines up well with what happened. Just gotta wonder what the heck was it about that game that made him kill her, I'm actually surprised. Did it show any sort of clue that Nidai played the game before?

Dragoon Cody posted:

Well, if the game is implying an accomplice, there's one quite insane classmate who has promised to help everyone out with their murders and is now mysteriously untied.

Acornicus posted:

No, but she is one of the most likely people who would be able to escape the bathroom without any assistance.

Edit: Oh, and as stated above, she was clearly in the room due to the empty water bottles.

MonsterEnvy posted:

Souda did. Hell he straight up suspected her (Like he did last case)

Ramos posted:

Souda I can see getting desperate or being stuck in a bad situation. Nidai? He's freaking Sakura levels of bulkiness, nothing is going to kill him unless things get drastically over kill and he's not the killing type either.

Lycan posted:

All this incriminating evidence definitely points to Peko.
I suppose I had my suspicions since it was confirmed that the victim was killed by the metal bat. Being a SHSL Swordswoman, she could hit the victim once with precision and be confident enough that a blow would be all it takes.

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Another thing before the trial started that made me suspicious of her is the video game was that the characters were named "X"-ko... Which sounded a lot like Peko.

Coolguye posted:

I said it once and I'll say it again:

This is the dumbest thing.

Who What Now posted:

Humor and characters with strange personalities or quirks? Not in my Dangan Ronpa!

Seriously, we have the Incredible Hulk who shoots lightning out of his face and is obsessed with taking enormous dumps. Seriously, people need to shut the gently caress up about how this is ruining he game.

copy posted:

I think Monobear summed it up perfectly when he just grumbled "What, again?" It's not game-ruining, but on its face it is dumb.

Popo posted:

I am fascinated to see why this game is referencing Dusk till Dawn. At least Gundam should be happy about this turn of events.

TKMobile posted:

This island is definitely going for some sort of Horror Movie theme; the Motel being a Psycho reference is too good to pass up. But, I suppose if you really needed to justify the motel's presence, there's probably a very finite number of cabins on the first island (are there even more than the 16 used for the students?) and while the creme of the rich crop would pay out the wazoo for those, where's everyone else the island caters to going to stay?