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Not to be rude but would you guys mind taking this somewhere else? Content: I'm pretty sure this has been posted before but I was reading about it again last night. It's really creepy to think that any building you enter might have had shortcuts taken during its construction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse
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Swing and a miss my friend, swing and a miss. Maybe there is a way of doing it - just giving Romani the same rights as everyone else and letting them live their lives? Shockin'! What's kind of unnerving is the arguments that this issue can create when the Wikipedia on the Romani which can be found here indicates that they're an absolutely tiny subset of a pretty racially diverse area anyway. I guess ethnic tension lurks everywhere, which I find very scary. Here's another similar piece - the Kenyan Election Crisis in 2007 . Absolutely insane, sponsored by governments and still (in many ways) continuing now. Inter ethnic violence is terrifying, and the fact that Rwandan-style genocide started off from not dissimilar roots is very unnerving when you're in Kenya.
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The Romani argument is better off happening someplace else, but you're better off never taking a stance that an entire group of people is contributing to their own alienation. The only place that type of discussion has a right to take place is in a forum to discuss successful methods to improve outreach programs to that minority, any time you see it discussed on the internet or in public it's always by people who hate the minority in order to justify whatever hateful bullshit they believe.
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Aug 7, 2013 18:49
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Aug 7, 2013 18:55
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Hey, our Mother the Earth has been really nice and quiet lately. What's this? An eruption at Yellowstone? http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/blogs/yellowstones-steamboat-geyser-erupts-again While I find geysers, mudpots and so on fascinating, what's disturbing is what drives them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera 34 x 55 miles. One caldera. Even if it's only 30% of what it once was, that's still a helluva big boom.
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This may have been posted, but I've always found this really disturbing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29 A minute-by-minute account of one of the worst spree killings ever. As it goes through it also lists every victim by name. There's something very different about hearing "35 people killed in shooting" and actually going through a blow by blow account. An encyclopedic description of these events is far more disturbing than any film or book account ever could be. Also the fact that there were only two cops on the entire peninsula - a sleepy backwater - and they had to scramble to figure out what was going on an respond, by which time it was way too late.
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Aug 8, 2013 04:30
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freebooter posted:This may have been posted, but I've always found this really disturbing: What a terrible crime. I can't believe he could kill so many in such a short period. Thanks for sharing; it definitely belongs here.
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Aug 8, 2013 07:23
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freebooter posted:This may have been posted, but I've always found this really disturbing: Yeah, that was a pretty big deal in Australia in the 90s, along with the Snowtown Murders (  for descriptions of torture). The investigation began after 8 bodies were found dissolved in acid in barrels in a disused bank vault. In short, 12 torture-murders were carried out by 7 people, 3 of which end up getting murdered themselves. It always creeped me out growing up, partly because it happened in the city I live in.The article is quite interesting because it talks about all of the victims and perpetrators and how they knew each other and what their motivations were.
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Aug 8, 2013 09:01
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Here is something that stuck with me; the 'Brabant Killers'.quote:The Brabant killers ("De Bende van Nijvel" or "de Bende" in Dutch, "Les Tueurs du Brabant" or "les Tueurs fous du Brabant wallon" or "les Tueurs fous du Brabant" in French) is a group or groups thought to be responsible for the "Brabant massacres", a series of violent attacks that occurred mostly in the province of Brabant in Belgium between 1982 and 1985, in which 28 people died and over 20 others were injured. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers
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Aug 8, 2013 12:24
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Molentik posted:Here is something that stuck with me; the 'Brabant Killers'. And the strange death of one of the main suspects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madani_Bouhouche quote:He died in November 2005, decapitated by a piece of wood while cutting a tree with a chainsaw in his garden.
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EDIT: Oh poo poo, sorry Ozma, didn't click to the end of the thread before responding, just hit quote on the last page. My bad. Edited out my response. To contribute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime is creepy to think about - that some people are unhinged enough just the idea of a crime and reporting on it can be what pushes them over the line into doing it. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 13:56 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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The thought of being a miner and dying in a subterranean hellhole has always frightened me. Even today mining carries tremendous risk for the workers. Of course, it was never a walk in the park for anybody; if poisonous or explosive gasses didn't kill you, then cave-ins, floods, diseases, asphyxiation, and the occasional runaway mine cart would. Here's a page about one of the deadliest mining accidents, taking place near Yorkshire, England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oaks_explosionquote:In total the [three] explosions killed 361 miners and 27 rescuers. Among the many dead were the pit ponies and their boy handlers, who hauled wagon loads of coal from the workings to the mine shaft. They had all been killed in the first explosion.
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Just a heads up but Herzog and Morris are executive producers on the film, not directors. The director is Joshua Oppenheimer. I haven't seen the movie yet but I would very much like to. You're right, my bad. I had taken my much-needed break from this thread and came back to see that correction, which I thank you for. To contribute to the thread, I'd like to mention fires in coal mines and situations like PA's Centralia (which I'm almost sure has already been mentioned here, most likely), "The real-life Silent Hill."
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ddinkins112 posted:The thought of being a miner and dying in a subterranean hellhole has always frightened me. Even today mining carries tremendous risk for the workers. Of course, it was never a walk in the park for anybody; if poisonous or explosive gasses didn't kill you, then cave-ins, floods, diseases, asphyxiation, and the occasional runaway mine cart would. Here's a page about one of the deadliest mining accidents, taking place near Yorkshire, England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oaks_explosion I come from a mining family, I work in IT. gently caress that poo poo. This happened just down the road from my house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretoria_Pit_Disaster But it's this one that really gets to me.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster
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freebooter posted:This may have been posted, but I've always found this really disturbing: The Daily Show did a three-part series recently about gun control in Australia which was mostly catalyzed by this event. It's worth a watch.
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Aug 8, 2013 20:30
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Got family killed in aberfan, that's one hosed up situation - good ol capitalism! Edit: and if a similar thing doesn't eventually happen to Ffestiniog, with its insane spoil heaps of slate all the way down the hill to people's houses, I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised Edit 2: good picture here lenoon has a new favorite as of 20:38 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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Aug 8, 2013 20:31
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Creek_Flood To go with other mining disasters.
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Here's another engineering failure: the Austin Dam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Dam The dam was built to provide year-round water to a paper mill. Designed to be 30' thick, it was instead built 20' thick. The Wikipedia page links to some amazing photos taken right after the dam failed. The ruins make an amphitheater that's been used to host various concerts. Khazar-khum has a new favorite as of 23:28 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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Someone was talking about their coma in Ask/Tell and they mentioned 'posturing', so I decided to look it up. Something about the phrase 'abnormal posturing' really disturbed the poo poo out of me and actually reading about what it is and looking at the diagrams just made it worse. I especially don't like the third kind which the article links to with the creepy picture of a tetanus patient arching his back. I'm going to have nightmares  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing
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Zombie Raptor posted:To contribute to the thread, I'd like to mention fires in coal mines and situations like PA's Centralia (which I'm almost sure has already been mentioned here, most likely), "The real-life Silent Hill." I grew up about an hour from there. Lots of exploration as a teen. I met an old guy who grew up there, he had wild stories of people passing out from gas in their houses, and waking up to "fog" that was actually steam. Basically everyone was out of work after the mine closed, so they couldn't afford to leave and were just trapped in a hell that looked like their formerly loved hometown. Because everyone was unemployed there was a lot of alcoholism and fighting. People were sick from the fumes, just this horrendous situation. He told me how one of the neighborhood kids was swinging on a swing when he was "sucked up" by the earth. He had just looked over at his one minute, heard a scream and the kid and the swing set were just gone. I used to have an "I heart Centralia" bumper sticker. There's no buildings there anymore but it's still a strange place.
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freebooter posted:This may have been posted, but I've always found this really disturbing: Yeah it was mentioned in the thread around the start of the year. I remember this because I'd just been for a visit there with my wife about a week before, and it was her first trip back to port arthur after going there as a kid. On the day of the massacre. Apparently her family had lunch in the broad arrow cafe and left like a couple minutes before Bryant finished his meal because they were about to miss the start of a tour (the place the tours start from is on a big lawn across the main path from where the cafe used to be). We walked around the place and she started remembering all this stuff she hadn't thought about since she was little, like hearing the gunshots and her parents thinking it was a historical renactment, and the big driveway her mum ran up carrying her and her sister. Really intense stuff.
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Bryant was a weird dude; apparently he would go on long flights from Australia to Europe just so he'd have someone next to him cornered and stuck talking to him for ~24 hours.quote:With Harvey and his father dead Bryant became increasingly lonely. From 1993 to late 1995, he visited various overseas countries 14 times and a summary of his domestic airline travel filled three pages. He hated the destinations he travelled to, as he found that people there avoided him just as they did in Tasmania. However he enjoyed the flights, as he could speak to the people sitting adjacent to him who had no choice but to be polite. Bryant later took great joy in describing some of the more successful conversations he had with fellow passengers. In late 1995, he became suicidal after deciding he had "had enough": "I just felt more people were against me. When I tried to be friendly toward them, they just walked away". Although he had previously been little more than a social drinker, his alcohol consumption increased and, although he had not had a drink on that day, had especially escalated in the six months prior to the massacre. Bryant's average daily consumption was estimated at half a bottle of Sambuca and a bottle of Baileys Irish Cream supplemented with Port wine and other sweet alcoholic drinks.[5] According to Bryant, he thought the plan for Port Arthur may have first occurred to him four to twelve weeks before the event quote:Bryant sold the Copping farm for $143,000 and kept the Hobart mansion.[5] While living at Copping, the white overalls he habitually wore were replaced with clothing more in line with Harvey's financial status. Now that he was alone his dress became more bizarre. He often wore a grey linen suit, cravat, lizard skin shoes and Panama hat while carrying a briefcase during the day, telling anyone who listened that he had a well-paying career. He often wore an electric blue suit with flared trousers and a ruffled shirt to the restaurant he frequented. The restaurant owner recalled: "It was horrible. Everyone was laughing at him, even the customers. I really felt suddenly quite sorry for him. I realised this guy didn't really have any friends." Wow, I can't even imagine what it would be like to witness something like that in childhood.
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Molentik posted:Here is something that stuck with me; the 'Brabant Killers'. The weird thing about this is how little they actually stole, creating a couple of myths as to why a group of people would randomly go out and seek to create panic. The one I find the most interesting is about the "stay-behind" system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio. It's basically random militant groups set up across Europe to defend against the Red Terror.
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Dross posted:The Daily Show did a three-part series recently about gun control in Australia which was mostly catalyzed by this event. It's worth a watch. I think I saw this. It was quite good, although I recall it repeating the notion that there have been no spree killings in Australia since Port Arthur, which is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting He only killed two students, but that's because a professor and a student tackled and restrained him. He had five handguns. If the other two hadn't tackled him it easily could have been as bad as Virginia Tech. Plus you have places like Norway, which has gun laws about as tough as Australia, and still had Utoya. That's what I find so disturbing about mass killings like this: they can really pop up anywhere, and all the gun laws in the world aren't going to stop them. I'm not against gun control, but I think it's wrong to only examine it through the prism of a mass shooting. The reason the US needs to tighten its gun laws isn't because of the kids at Newtown, it's because of the thousands upon thousands of people killed in smaller shootings every single year.
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This is my other disturbing Australian article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaz_II Fairly reasonable speculation from the coroner, but it still creeps me out, especially the real life (albeit innocuous) found footage.
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freebooter posted:This is my other disturbing Australian article: I think this one was discussed a while ago. It all fits together pretty well that one guy jumped in to help the other guy, and the only one left on the ship was knocked overboard by the boom. After that they were 100% hosed.
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aaaaaaaand I was in the same building a couple floors up when this happened. drat. Starting to feel like some final destination poo poo.
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Before Utoya, the most deadly shooting rampage was in Korea, where a man used his position as a police officer to gain entry to homes and to gain access to weapons and grenades. He killed 56 and wounded 35 others. It all started when he was awoken by his girlfriend swatting a fly on his chest. What a grouch
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freebooter posted:I think I saw this. It was quite good, although I recall it repeating the notion that there have been no spree killings in Australia since Port Arthur, which is wrong: To me that actually illustrates the point of gun control, as while two deaths are still tragic, this would potentially have been much more disastrous if he'd had more powerful weapons. And they define mass killings in the series as more than four deaths, so the Monash shooting doesn't qualify.
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Lake Karachay always makes me feel a bit nervous. Its just so ridiculously radioactive, and is evaporating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Karachay
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Dross posted:To me that actually illustrates the point of gun control, as while two deaths are still tragic, this would potentially have been much more disastrous if he'd had more powerful weapons. And they define mass killings in the series as more than four deaths, so the Monash shooting doesn't qualify. I agree. Obviously anectdotal stuff is only worth so much, but the few times I've heard about situations like this(where the gunman is tackled or subdued) its always because the guy had to stop and fiddle around with reloading. I've never once heard a logical argument why it is necessary for anyone to own a gun that holds more than 12 rounds in the magazine.
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Dross posted:To me that actually illustrates the point of gun control, as while two deaths are still tragic, this would potentially have been much more disastrous if he'd had more powerful weapons. And they define mass killings in the series as more than four deaths, so the Monash shooting doesn't qualify. Basebf555 posted:I agree. Obviously anectdotal stuff is only worth so much, but the few times I've heard about situations like this(where the gunman is tackled or subdued) its always because the guy had to stop and fiddle around with reloading. I've never once heard a logical argument why it is necessary for anyone to own a gun that holds more than 12 rounds in the magazine. The handguns he had were plenty powerful (2 9mm, 1 .357 magnum, and 2 .38 specials) and they also didn't tackle him while reloading (he was tackled while switching guns), and none of those guns held more than 11 rounds.
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MadMattH posted:The handguns he had were plenty powerful (2 9mm, 1 .357 magnum, and 2 .38 specials) and they also didn't tackle him while reloading (he was tackled while switching guns), and none of those guns held more than 11 rounds. Well that was exactly my point. I didn't specify but I assumed the reason he had to switch guns was because he ran out of ammo, you know, because none of the guns had more than 11 rounds like you said. I'm agreeing that this case in an example of how a crazed gunman not having access to 32 round magazines and automatic weapons can make a big difference.
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Basebf555 posted:Well that was exactly my point. I didn't specify but I assumed the reason he had to switch guns was because he ran out of ammo, you know, because none of the guns had more than 11 rounds like you said. I'm agreeing that this case in an example of how a crazed gunman not having access to 32 round magazines and automatic weapons can make a big difference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States None of the top ten guns used in crimes in the US were automatics or had 32 round clips. Even in most spree killings that is the case. It is extremely rare to find an actual automatic used in a crime. EDIT: I forgot to mention, I was in the hallway outside the classroom when this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carter_High_School_shooting MadMattH has a new favorite as of 22:17 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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MadMattH posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States Holy poo poo it's like a real life reenactment of Rage. edit: now I've read the whole article and it looks like that's where he got the idea. Dross has a new favorite as of 22:22 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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Dross posted:Holy poo poo it's like a real life reenactment of Rage. Yeah, they tried to blame the Stephen King story in his case. It's not known for sure if he read the story before the shooting, but the book was listed in his possessions when he was held awaiting trial. EDIT: Also there are a lot of half truths in that wikipedia article.
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I decided to spend some time learning more about the Port Arthur Massacre, as i had only read briefly about it in the earlier posts. I am, unsurprisingly, not liking what I'm seeing one bit. Wound up watching what was purported to be a police training video with footage of the event's aftermath and such on LiveLeak, and dear God that's disturbing. Also, Bryant wasn't just weird.Wikipedia posted:
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Whoa, hey, is this a gun control derail I see before me? It better not be a gun control derail.
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MadMattH posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States For some reason, small details like this always unnerve me when I read about spree killings: quote:His first shot missed, with McDavid saying, "Scott, what are you doing!", to which Pennington replied, "Shut up, bitch".[2] The second shot hit her in the forehead, and was fatal. Students inside her class believed this was an act that McDavid arranged for her drama club.[2] There's just something surreal about senseless, violent murder breaking up the mundane details of life. School and work are these tight little hermetically sealed universes full of petty triumphs and silly frustrations, and I feel really uncomfortable when I think about those familiar routines and low-stakes activities getting disrupted with life-or-death situations. I think it's something about how quickly the contexts change and how the people there can't quite keep up. That poor woman saw one of her students pull out a gun and shoot at her, and her first instinct was to discipline him like he had gum in class. The kids in class assumed that it must have been for the school play, because that's the closest familiar thing to what they saw. There's a similar story from Columbine High School where a teacher was giving an exam and heard the killers running down the hall shooting people and setting off bombs, and before she knew what she was doing she walked out into the hall and yelled at them to keep it down--she knew intellectually that they were shooting people, but that experience is so far outside the concerns of being in a high school that she followed her instincts and shushed them because there was a test going on. I just know I would do the same thing. My last words would be, "hey, we're trying to have a meeting in here, can you keep it down?" I guess that's for the best, though, since I wouldn't want to live any more if I spent my time preparing for and anticipating an even like a spree killing.
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Zombie Raptor posted:I decided to spend some time learning more about the Port Arthur Massacre, as i had only read briefly about it in the earlier posts. I am, unsurprisingly, not liking what I'm seeing one bit. Wound up watching what was purported to be a police training video with footage of the event's aftermath and such on LiveLeak, and dear God that's disturbing. Also, Bryant wasn't just weird. The saddest thing for me about Bryant was the whole relationship he had with his wealthy benefactor. People have speculated that it was sexual but it seems to have been just a lovely caring friendship between the two of them. Apparently he grieved for her terribly. It was the money she left him after her death that enabled all the world travel etc btw in case anyone was wondering. I wonder if things would have been different if she'd lived a bit longer, or if he would still have snapped eventually anyhow 
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