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I'm actually a tiny bit disappointed that this doesn't look more like the "Guillermo del Toro's Evangelion" I originally heard it described as, with the emphasis on human insecurity and neurosis vs. standing strong and unified against an external threat. On the other hand, it still looks awesome, and trailers can be misleading.
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Giggily posted:The trailer looks alright. I like the mech designs a lot more than I thought I would after the main Jaeger was first revealed, but at the same time all of the shots of them actually piloting it struck me as being goofy as hell. It looks like they're in some kind of ridiculous exercise machine. This is totally in keeping with the source genre.
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Dec 13, 2012 14:32
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You can't have a giant monster movie without the scene where the conventional military throws everything they have at them to no effect. How else would you justify giant robots? 
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Dec 13, 2012 18:34
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FooF posted:Well, they had to be able to take down a few before the robots were invented, otherwise humanity would already be wiped out. I imagine that the conventional military can take out the lesser creatures but it's prohibitively expensive in terms of cost and loss of life hence: giant robots. I wasn't thinking of anything so literal. The logistics of using guns or lasers and whether they can beat the monster's armor class is secondary at best; giant robots are cool, they're piloted by a few relatable characters instead of a whole army, and they're probably thematically appropriate for reasons we don't know yet. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Dec 13, 2012 |
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Dec 13, 2012 18:52
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Goreld posted:In Evangelion, they made this a specific focus of the series with AT fields (ie. the enemy monsters could withstand 50 megaton nukes). Unfortunately, the explanation of AT fields devolved into an existential dilemma involving human consciousness and humanity being 'one entity' that's separated into individual humans due to our AT field and... well... It's really not that complicated. The AT field is the soul, or the barrier between one person's mind and another. Evas can break it down. Evangelion as a whole is about a (disastrous) attempt to erase all boundaries between people, effectively "cheating" and skipping all the hard work of human relationships. If the explanation is some totally mechanical "well the monsters are nuke-proof," with no symbolic relevance beyond that, that would be kinda boring. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 13, 2012 |
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Dec 13, 2012 20:09
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End of Evangelion owns, and it makes no sense whatsoever to watch Rebuild without the original series and film in mind.
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Dec 14, 2012 10:34
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Shinji only really becomes "pathetic" in any reprehensible sense at the very end, after he's been psychologically destroyed by everything that's happened to him. Early in the show his motivations are literally heroic (he hates piloting but comes back again and again out of a feeling of responsibility to the weak and defenseless), and if he "whines" it's because he's a 14-year-old boy whose father abandoned him and whose mother was probably a psychopath with delusions of godhood, on top of dying right in front of him. EDIT: Anyways, Anno is a chronic depressive and his show ends with little to no hope of the characters ever fixing themselves. Del Toro has a much more optimistic vision in general, but sometimes that optimism isn't hanging by more than a thread. (Like in Pan's Labyrinth, for example.) That's why I'm so interested in seeing the two overlap -- there's no way he'd tell the same story, but he could bring a similar one to a more satisfying end. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Dec 14, 2012 |
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Dec 14, 2012 15:32
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Jonny Angel posted:Something really important is that the logo for STRIKER EUREKA is a bulldog chomping on a missile. Wanna meet that dog. Wanna shake his hand. Well, whatever's left of it. 
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Dec 14, 2012 21:10
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. Because early info about the show made it sound like pilot psychology was going to be a big deal, in addition to the other obvious resemblances. (Also, the final episodes of Evangelion were storyboarded that way, it had nothing to do with the budget.  )
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Dec 17, 2012 00:00
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OK Octopus posted:“I felt there was a chance to do something fresh, something new that at the same time was conscious of the heritage, but not a pastiche or an homage or a greatest hits of everything. One of the first things I did is make it a point to not check any old movies or any other references. Like start from scratch.” Funny, because right now it looks exactly like a giant pastiche. Personally, I think this is great, I love pastiche. Jonah Galtberg posted:But I've been waiting so long to finally be able to discuss my animes in CD...... "Guys, stop making my childish glee at giant robots and monsters in a 100% COOL AND AMERICAN medium look bad by comparing it to... that!" This post is not intended to disparage childish glee. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Dec 17, 2012 04:11
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Jonah Galtberg posted:This movie is not an anime. It might have some callbacks to certain animes but it is not an anime. I would say just about as many words have been written about anime ITT as there have about this movie or other kaiju movies like Godzilla. Obsessively avoiding the medium is as dumb as obsessing over it. If it's a relevant comparison, people are gonna talk about it. I've got Robot Jox on my Netflix queue and I'm looking forward to finding out what I've been missing. Probably going to look up The Big O, too, because in all honesty my exposure to the giant robot genre is a bit lacking. 
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Dec 17, 2012 04:28
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Undead Unicorn posted:They can't help but compare one of it's primary influences? Say it ain't so! Relevant discussion has no place in Cinema Discussion! Well, it's still kind of early to say anything about primary influences. For all we know it's actually an homage to the best movie about alien monsters coming out of an underwater rift to another dimension and fighting a man-made giant robot: Godzilla vs. Megalon! 
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Dec 17, 2012 08:10
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Mercrom posted:Well, I don't know anything about giant robot tropes or early Godzilla movies. And here I was afraid this might have gone to archives: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3350308
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Dec 17, 2012 16:08
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So I just saw Robot Jox. It's... definitely the best dramatic re-enactment of a story told by a six-year-old I've ever seen! and then the robots went into space and the bad robot shot a missile at a good robot and they crashed and the good robot turned into a tank but the bad robot tipped him over and then a buzzsaw came out but he punched him with his own fist and the bad robot totally EXPLODED and the robot guys got out and punched each other but then they were friends. The end! 
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Dec 20, 2012 00:15
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reagan posted:Why are you spoiler tagging Robot Jox? I spoil tag anything that isn't in its own thread, because I don't assume that everyone has been alive since the dawn of filmmaking seeing everything that comes out.
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Dec 20, 2012 13:31
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TTGL is also itself a pastiche where each arc of the show loosely corresponds to an era of giant robot shows.
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Dec 28, 2012 01:19
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Captain Invictus posted:I remember a quote from someone saying Unicron was the most fitting role Welles could have ever had, but I can't find it. It was in the Transformers thread, but it's dozens of pages long by now.
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Dec 28, 2012 08:13
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Darth Walrus posted:A reference doesn't have to be a direct, one-to-one carbon copy, you know. Better if it isn't, even. Like the GladOS thing.
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Jan 6, 2013 17:45
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Thunderlips posted:Giant robots are inherently awesome. But if they're making this world "realistic-ish," I stopped reading here, because everything past this point is about some theoretical movie I've never heard of.
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Jan 8, 2013 16:35
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I liked Hellboy 2 but it did seem a little constrained by the separate demands of "be a comic book adaptation" and "be a Del Toro movie." I'd love to see him just be given free rein to do that particular combination of character study and spectacle that made the best moments of Hellboy 2.
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Jan 9, 2013 20:49
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MariusLecter posted:Everything is about EVA, EVERYTHING. Except Eva, which is about Jesus.
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Jan 24, 2013 22:49
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I don't buy figures, but just as an aesthetic choice I like how dirty and well-used it looks.
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teagone posted:I know you goons were all wondering what a pile of kaiju poo poo would look like. Well... So... fewmets?
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Mar 23, 2013 05:09
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Fight Club Sandwich posted:Why would del Toro confirm Rocket Punches? Does he play fighting games? Rocket punches predate fighting games by about a decade, dude. (Or fighting games with rocket punches in them, anyways.)
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Mar 26, 2013 19:46
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Schwarzwald posted:I think the first "rock punch" was with robot anime Mazinger Z in 1972. And Karate Champ came out in 1984.
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Mar 27, 2013 09:14
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mind the walrus posted:A Canadian mech is only marginally more likely than a French mech that doesn't play to lovely cowardly stereotypes. The French Jaeger was built in Corsica, and is equally effective at killing Kaiju despite being only half the normal size.
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Mar 31, 2013 19:23
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7c Nickel posted:Doubtful he'll have the homing nasal shurikens though. This is a wonderful sequence of words. Also all the people whining about the possibility of the movie having a theme can  This is the guy who wrote and directed Pan's Labyrinth and Mimic, I think he knows how to avoid trite endings.
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Apr 4, 2013 15:23
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404GoonNotFound posted:The reason they aren't using nukes is actually quite simple: It's a movie about giant loving robots. You're not thinking this through. Clearly we need nuclear rocket punches.
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Apr 6, 2013 16:43
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Improbable Lobster posted:Maybe Kaiju are very sensitive to cancer. I have a sneaking suspicion Kaiju cancer might be only slightly less belligerent and hungry than an actual Kaiju.
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Apr 7, 2013 05:24
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A solid list of live action kaiju films would probably be handy, as well.
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Apr 16, 2013 03:10
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Republicans posted:Am I the only one kinda worried that it won't have nearly enough robots and monsters punching each other and mostly end up being about the people driving the robots and all the stuff they do that isn't driving robots? I'm totally okay with that possibility, but I don't think it'll be the case.
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tallian posted:LOST would have been dramatically improved by giant robots. Hang on, I think I've seen that show.
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Wizchine posted:Well it seems pretty clear that the protagonist is sharing the memory of his new co-pilot witnessing as a young girl the first Kaiju attack in San Francisco. (He's standing there in his "flight" suit as an adult.) This is cooler to me than pretty much any degree or form of robot/monster interaction. I think my inner child is defective.
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Fight Club Sandwich posted:Yes Tacit Ronin will be a rogue jaegr. The kaiju will pay the robot in kaiju dollars and he will spend them at the kaiju store. Or you know, he might be working for a black market kaiju organ smuggler. Imagine how inconvenient it would be to try and separate kaiju from their organs without a giant robot.
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May 1, 2013 19:46
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Travis343 posted:Right, because if there's one thing generations of kaiju and tokusatsu movies are known for, it's big eyes and boobs. Godzilla is a refined gentleman and this hurtful slander will not stand. 
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Darth Walrus posted:You think Howard would write a black guy as a heroic leader? I think if I were adapting a Howard novel I would cast Idris Elba with no regard for context, just to spite him. Also because Idris Elba is awesome. Lobok posted:Or maybe the "create monsters" line has to do with the ultimate Jaegar being a Jaegar-Kaiju hybrid? A mechanical-organic Frankenstein? I suspect it's just a reference to how they kill or mentally damage their pilots. That's plenty, really, and if I'm right it'd hint at a more personal story about killing twenty story sea monsters. 
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May 10, 2013 00:17
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Travis343 posted:Thats badass and everything but what happens if you miss? That
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May 11, 2013 06:08
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PriorMarcus posted:Disappointingly for Del Toro so far all of the kaiju do appear to just be large animal amalgamations. Less "animal amalgmations" and more "blatant visual quotes of classic movie monsters," which makes it a little better. I'm sure he'll let loose with more original designs at some point; it is Del Toro after all.
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If Cabin in the Woods were a love letter, it'd be from someone who's cheating on you. You might remember the Purge fondly (and I never could figure out what the film was trying to say in the end) but the first half is neither scary enough nor funny enough to be good horror.
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PaganGoatPants posted:That head seems really small? It's at least forty feet tall, the perspective's kind of funky. To put it in perspective, here's a picture of a bunch of real life museum-goers with a dinosaur skeleton: http://imgur.com/b4rlYEF And remember, that's just the skull. EDIT: Also robot shows have a huuuge history of things magically changing sizes to suit the needs of the plot (see: Evangelions being small enough to climb into with a rope ladder in a matter of seconds vs. big enough to pick up and throw a battleship) and I'm sure Del Toro knows this. EDIT2: It's head is the size of a T-Rex. Not the size of a T-Rex head, the size of the whole dinosaur. And looking at photos of a T-Rex skeleton with onlookers I may even have been too conservative with that estimate. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 22:06 on May 15, 2013 |
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