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failedninja: Nov 29, 2008

korora posted:

Do you (or anyone) have a way to get the raw stat data that puzzledragonx.com has? Or are you just estimating this visually? I was trying to plot Parvati's stats vs. exp (and compare to the rest of my green team) the other day but I couldn't find the data. The derivative of stats vs exp would also be super useful to visualize if/when your gains start to fall off (for the more linear monsters).

I don't know what you're asking for but local hero Unknown_PC posted some math and that seems like the answer to your question.

http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.co...=11779#pid11779

Speaking of stat gains, someone mentioned this a while back but it seemed to fall on deaf ears for whatever reason. When 5.0 does hit, please don't be an idiot and evolve your Valkyrie if you don't have 20 extra evolved pengdras lying around doing nothing in your box. Please. She's not that pretty.

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# ? May 25, 2013 03:32

Slow Motion: Jul 19, 2004; Can't stop won't stop

opaopa13 posted:

Riders are _almost_ cool. They've got nice attack stats (easily among the highest in the game for dual-element monsters) and a cool, albeit somewhat awkward skill. Gryps Rider's skill isn't ideal on a monoblack team, because it turns your Heart orbs into nothing. At the same time, it's hard to make a Dark/Light team that pairs will with Leader Skills and other orb-changers. You really would like another Gryps Rider or Mystic Dark Knight on your team to convert the Light orbs into Dark as well, or a Vampire to pre-emptively transform Heart to Dark. At least both MDKs and Vampires are eventually farmable.

That said, it takes a Keeper of Rainbow to evolve a Rider, which is a goddamn shame because they're both hard to come by AND are useful monsters for your team, making it hard to justify spending one early on. Their Leader Skill is also very hard to build around, as far as I know. Maybe, like Physical-boosting leaders, they have a niche in 5.0, but right now Attackers limits you to Demons, Chimera and Goblins (which don't have a Dark/Light variety), which isn't much of a pool. You won't be able to build a team of Dark Attackers until the 5th Technical Dungeon, and even then you're limited to low-HP, low-RCV choices.

Other Gryps Riders might be your best choices for friends, as you can burn both skills back-to-back to convert all Light/Heart orbs to Dark. But then you're stuck either using Dark monsters OR Attackers for now, making Gryps Rider's skill or Leader Skill pointless. A Vampire to lead your party would solve a lot of your problems, but you can't farm them until Castle of Satan, and even then they're very rare. Maybe get to Rank 20 and hope for Dark Starter Dragon? Or just run with your Starter Dragon as a Leader for now and use Gryps Rider as an off-color sub? I'm really not sure.

I ran Dino rider for my first 20 days or so at this game (day 33 now). He was fine up through tier 1 technical.

I actually had a lot of fun leveling up my first r/g/b demons (although I didn't know to skill them up!). Those demons hit over a thousand and take a mere 250,000 exp to get there. A rider friend and you have a team that smashes faces real good. At least until it started getting one-shotted too often.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 17:16

opaopa13: Jul 25, 2007; EB: i'm in a rocket pack and i am about to blast off into space. it should be sweet.

04RunsThisBitch posted:

I ran Dino rider for my first 20 days or so at this game (day 33 now). He was fine up through tier 1 technical.

I actually had a lot of fun leveling up my first r/g/b demons (although I didn't know to skill them up!). Those demons hit over a thousand and take a mere 250,000 exp to get there. A rider friend and you have a team that smashes faces real good. At least until it started getting one-shotted too often.

With Dino Rider, you can run with Fire Goblins. With Gryps, you have to wait for T2 Technical just to have a team that takes advantage of both his Leader Skill and his Active Skill. No, actually, I guess all you need is a team that can run the Adept version of the Dark Legendary Dragon Dungeons (the ones which drop devils, anyway), or a bit of luck with the PAL machine. That's more reasonable. Still, not exactly a stellar first roll. My first was a Grass Golem, followed by Echidna: the Red Empress, so I'm not trying to preach a "you MUST reroll until you get the BEST start" philosophy, but I thought it worth pointing out that Gryps is hard to really take advantage of.

korora posted:

Do you (or anyone) have a way to get the raw stat data that puzzledragonx.com has? Or are you just estimating this visually? I was trying to plot Parvati's stats vs. exp (and compare to the rest of my green team) the other day but I couldn't find the data. The derivative of stats vs exp would also be super useful to visualize if/when your gains start to fall off (for the more linear monsters).

Unknown_PC to the rescue:
http://www.loglesslove.net/pad_graph/

"Empirical Value" (when Google translated) puts experience on the X-axis. After that, I just eyeballed it. The Gods don't have a line quite as straight as I remembered, but pretty close. after an initial ramping-up.

...I just noticed "Arousal plan" as one of the choices on that list. I'm not sure if I want to know which monster that is.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 17:35

cirus: Apr 5, 2011

failedninja posted:

Speaking of stat gains, someone mentioned this a while back but it seemed to fall on deaf ears for whatever reason. When 5.0 does hit, please don't be an idiot and evolve your Valkyrie if you don't have 20 extra evolved pengdras lying around doing nothing in your box. Please. She's not that pretty.

I posted that a while ago.

Reiterating for emphasis:

DO NOT EVOLVE YOUR GREAT VALKYRIE TO 6*

She requires 4 million exp for a grand total of 498 HP, 119 ATK, and 78 RCV over GValk with no changes to active or leader skills.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 17:43

Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002; Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.

cirus posted:

I posted that a while ago.

Reiterating for emphasis:

DO NOT EVOLVE YOUR GREAT VALKYRIE TO 6*

She requires 4 million exp for a grand total of 498 HP, 119 ATK, and 78 RCV over GValk with no changes to active or leader skills.

Um she looks hella more kawaii in 6* mode and that's all that matters in this game!

# ? Mar 8, 2013 17:48

Nendil: Apr 3, 2005; 3D movies are the dumbest fad since pull-ups.

I have a Ra + Beast Rider on my JP account and man, I would eschew all the MDKs in the world for a full stable of Riders. Ra's ability requires attacking with all colors so a Rider heart/color swap is a delicious way to fill in for tough combos.

(Granted, this is a pretty niche situation but I just have a soft spot for Riders since I started my EN account with one...)

# ? Mar 8, 2013 17:55

Giodo!: Oct 29, 2003

Gonna own bones one day with an all dark/light Divinegon/rider/rider/hades/venus/Basilisk team.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 18:07

scorpiobean: Dec 22, 2004; I'll have one sugar coma drink, please.

To add onto the Parvati discussion I missed, I put my name on the drive and started friending some other Parvati bros. Mine isn't evolved yet but I'm working on it. I also haven't exchanged a gift yet if somebody wants to.

beannieSA 381,542,230

# ? Mar 8, 2013 18:30

Filthy Monkey: Jun 25, 2007

I need that drat update so I can expand my friend list to 150. It is already 90% goons, and it sounds like there are new people I need to add. I want the gooniest friend list possible.

Emerald dragon hunting just ended for me, anyway, so I can stop caring about dragons the rest of the day. I had really good luck with king dropping. A couple runs dropped multiple kings.

Mostly just shoring up my green team still. I kind of wish I had a Ceres or a Susano. Ceres's skill is 'eh', but her stats are pretty sweet. What would be even better is if Susano's skill were as good as Viper Orochi's. Of course, then Lakshimi's skill isn't as good as Parvati's. Just can't win on all fronts.

Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 19:21

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:12

opaopa13: Jul 25, 2007; EB: i'm in a rocket pack and i am about to blast off into space. it should be sweet.

Filthy Monkey posted:

I need that drat update so I can expand my friend list to 150. It is already 90% goons, and it sounds like there are new people I need to add. I want the gooniest friend list possible.

Emerald dragon hunting just ended for me, anyway. so I can stop caring about dragons the rest of the day. I had really good luck with king dropping. A couple runs dropped multiple kings.

Mostly just shoring up my green team still. I kind of wish I had a Ceres or a Susano. What would be even better is if Susano's skill were as good as Viper Orochi's. Of course, then Lakshimi's skill isn't as good as Parvati's. Just can't win on all fronts.

The Current Exp indicates to me that this Ancient Dragon Knight feeds exclusively on dragon de roi and foie gras de pengdra. Filthy Monkey's monsters are too good for the common trash that SOME Puzzlemon Masters might feed their pets.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:15

Soylentbits: Apr 2, 2007; Made of people. Stays crunchy in milk.

Filthy Monkey posted:

I need that drat update so I can expand my friend list to 150. It is already 90% goons, and it sounds like there are new people I need to add. I want the gooniest friend list possible.

Emerald dragon hunting just ended for me, anyway. so I can stop caring about dragons the rest of the day. I had really good luck with king dropping. A couple runs dropped multiple kings.

Mostly just shoring up my green team still. I kind of wish I had a Ceres or a Susano. Ceres's skill is 'eh', but her stats are pretty sweet. What would be even better is if Susano's skill were as good as Viper Orochi's. Of course, then Lakshimi's skill isn't as good as Parvati's. Just can't win on all fronts.

Wasn't Susano's skill necessary for the Parvati team to take on Hera?

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:19

Filthy Monkey: Jun 25, 2007

Soylentbits posted:

Wasn't Susano's skill necessary for the Parvati team to take on Hera?

Yeah, he used susano to be able to tank a Hades hit. Quality damage mitigation is one thing that green lacks over blue or red. Blue has viper orochi, and red has echidna. Green has Susano, which is only 50%. Even then, I am sadly Susanoless.

Viper orochi is, to me, one of the big tricks that a blue Indian team has up its sleeve. If Lakshimi's skill were as good as Parvati's, I would probably be doing a water team instead.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:22

DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004

opaopa13 posted:

The Current Exp indicates to me that this Ancient Dragon Knight feeds exclusively on dragon de roi and foie gras de pengdra.

But of course! It's all the rage these days.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:23

Soylentbits: Apr 2, 2007; Made of people. Stays crunchy in milk.

Filthy Monkey posted:

Yeah, he used susano to be able to tank a Hades hit. Quality damage mitigation is one thing that green lacks over blue or red. Blue has viper orochi, and red has echidna. Green has Susano, which is only 50%. Even then, I am sadly Susanoless.

Viper orochi is, to me, one of the big tricks that a blue Indian team has up its sleeve. If Lakshimi's skill were as good as Parvati's, I would probably be doing a water team instead.

Green also lacks a good defense bypasser. Not vital but nice. Also why don't you go for a green golem instead then? Large HP pool and you'd be able to skill up pretty easily.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:27

Filthy Monkey: Jun 25, 2007

Golem wouldn't be bad, actually. I hadn't thought about it. I have one in my box too, which is obviously a plus.

And yeah, green doesn't have a way to bypassing defense. Of course, in that parvati vs hera video he was able to kill neptune with orb matches, though it took pretty serious chains to break the defense.

Big thing green has going for it is that Parvati easily has the most generically useful skill of the Indian gods. Shiva's defense break is extremely useful, but situational. It is also the sort of thing you would probably much rather have on one guy and not two. Lakshimi's thing is, well I actually haven't used it, but it doesn't sound great. Parvati's changing water orbs to heal orbs though? There is never a time when that is bad. The recent dragon knight dungeon also make a nice swing in Parvati's favor, what with maxable ADKs.

DaveWoo posted:

But of course! It's all the rage these days.

Hey, why aren't you on my list? I just removed some non-goon and sent you an invite.

Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 19:37

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:30

But Rocks Hurt Head: Jun 30, 2003; Fleets of taxis stall in the fog, passengers fall asleep. Gas pours from a tri-color stack.

Today, I'm stuck between trying to level monsters (Dark Mech, VampLord, ADK, Lilith), evolve monsters (MSK, MDK, Green Odin), and Rank Up for team cost purposes - fitting two mechdragons on a single team is difficult!

I miss the days of chaining completed dungeons into Rank Ups. I know the later regular dungeons have decent XP:Stamina ratios but they can be a real slog.

E: Speaking of green teams, how are Freyja's stats? Seems like the additional 1.5x damage would help with the lack of defense breakers.

But Rocks Hurt Head fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 19:35

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:31

DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Today, I'm stuck between trying to level monsters (Dark Mech, VampLord, ADK, Lilith), evolve monsters (MSK, MDK, Green Odin), and Rank Up for team cost purposes - fitting two mechdragons on a single team is difficult!

Difficult, but oh so rewarding once you get there.

quote:

I miss the days of chaining completed dungeons into Rank Ups. I know the later regular dungeons have decent XP:Stamina ratios but they can be a real slog.

Yeah, I miss those days, too. Nowadays, even if I do the best XP:stamina dungeons, I can't generate enough XP for a Rank Up.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 19:37

Network42: Oct 23, 2002

Is there a consensus on which final evolution of Neptune is more useful?

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:11

Emalde: May 3, 2007; Let us verify these truths,
and witness the moment
a miracle occurs here!

Filthy Monkey posted:

And yeah, green doesn't have a way to bypassing defense. Of course, in that parvati vs hera video he was able to kill neptune with orb matches, though it took pretty serious chains to break the defense.

Because I love touting how very superior JP PAD is: Meet King Malboro. His active is a poison that does damage equal to 2x his HP (15 turns when maxed). I use him on literally every team that needs a Wood element, because he's really quite good.

Network42 posted:

Is there a consensus on which final evolution of Neptune is more useful?

Water/Dark. Pretty much no question about it.

Emalde fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 20:31

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:15

Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002; Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.

Network42 posted:

Is there a consensus on which final evolution of Neptune is more useful?

The simple answer is to just drop money on stones until you get a 2nd Neptune so you have both evolutions!

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:17

Dirt: May 26, 2003; not so hot

Emalde posted:

Water/Dark. Pretty much no question about it.

Water/Light looks way cooler though.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:17

korora: Sep 3, 2011

failedninja posted:

I don't know what you're asking for but local hero Unknown_PC posted some math and that seems like the answer to your question.

http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.co...=11779#pid11779

Speaking of stat gains, someone mentioned this a while back but it seemed to fall on deaf ears for whatever reason. When 5.0 does hit, please don't be an idiot and evolve your Valkyrie if you don't have 20 extra evolved pengdras lying around doing nothing in your box. Please. She's not that pretty.

This is exactly what I wanted, thanks. Crunching through the math on this (bored grad student), the equation for skill as a function of experience is

S = S1 + ∆S(.98/(∆L A^0.4))^k E^0.4k, k = 0.7, 1, or 1.5

where S1 is the skill at level 1, ∆S is the max skill minus S1, ∆L = max level - 1, and A=10,15,20,30,40 depending on which experience curve. Taking a derivative,

S' = 0.4 k ∆S (.98/(∆L A^0.4))^kE^0.4k-1

If you've forgotten your calculus, S' is basically the stat gain when you have E experience and add one more point. For a monster on the 4-million exp curve with max level 99,

if k = 0.7 ("early peak"): S' = 0.0099202 ∆S E^-0.72
if k = 1.0 ("normal"): S' = 0.0022865 ∆S E^-0.6
if k = 1.5 ("late bloomer"): S' = 0.000164 ∆S E^-0.4

So stat gain with respect to experience is always worse than linear (linear would be E⁰), and for similar total skill changes you're better off putting experience into the "late bloomers" after about 700k experience.

korora fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 20:51

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:25

Filthy Monkey: Jun 25, 2007

facebook posted:

*Maintenance Notice from the Puzzle & Dragons Team*

The long-awaited update to version 5.0 is almost here. To implement it, we will be conducting maintenance on the following date:

March 11th, 2013 (Monday) 12:00am - 4:00am PDT

During this time, you will not be able to access the game.

Additional details (including possible delays or an early finish) will be announced via Facebook.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience.

Well how about that!

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:38

padijun: Feb 5, 2004; murderbears forever

When evolving a god to dual type, does it need to be at max level?

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:40

Emalde: May 3, 2007; Let us verify these truths,
and witness the moment
a miracle occurs here!

I'm going to post the new OP then since the update time has been confirmed, will edit post with link

edit: new thread here http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3537438

Emalde fucked around with this message at Mar 8, 2013 around 20:49

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:42

Filthy Monkey: Jun 25, 2007

padijun posted:

When evolving a god to dual type, does it need to be at max level?

No. You can do 'busty' evolutions at any time. Just make sure it is one of the ones currently in the English version. Your 'begin fusion' button should go all funky if it is a working formula.

# ? Mar 8, 2013 20:42