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DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?




Justified is a crime drama from the minds of Elmore Leonard (Out of Sight, Get Shorty, the novel Rum Punch which was adapted as Jackie Brown) and Graham Yost (Boomtown, Band of Brothers, From the Earth To the Moon).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_O08lFrffk

The series takes place in modern day Kentucky, around Lexington and Harlan County, and is primarily concerned with two men. Raylan Givens (Timothy Olyphant, Deadwood, background) is a United States Marshal by title and a 19th-century lawman at heart; he wears a Stetson hat and is frighteningly quick with a handgun. His calm, collected exterior masks a tremendous amount of righteous rage toward himself and the world around him. As such, when violent criminals create problems, he tends to find violent solutions to them.

On the other side of the law is Boyd Crowder (Walton Goggins, The Shield, foreground), a charismatic crime lord who is undisputed King poo poo of Harlan County. Though Boyd is ruthless, he is by no stretch of the imagination a common thug. Boyd has a razor sharp intellect, a strong code of honor, and is empathic to degrees uncommon amongst kingpins.

The two men, once brothers who worked in the Harlan mines together, are in constant conflict with each other, and yet at times seem to be morally allied to some degree.

At the close of last season, Raylan and his ex-wife Winona (Natalie Zea) have separated (in a sense) for good, even as Winona prepares to have Raylan's first child. The split, while not mutually agreed upon (Winona left Raylan), is amicable; Raylan is now dating someone who works at the bar he's living out of.

Meanwhile, Raylan's father Arlo (Raymond J. Barry) went down for murdering a cop (and a friend of Raylan's) who tried to arrest Boyd (whom Arlo was working for). Arlo is brought in, and takes the opportunity to confess to the murder, as well as several other crimes that Boyd was actually responsible for. That night, Raylan tells Winona that Arlo wasn't shooting at a cop per se: He just saw "a man in a hat" who had a gun pointed at Boyd.

And on that somber note, we begin season 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHfxHNutlWA

While the show has made use of seasonal arcs in the past (to highly memorable effect), apparently this year promises to be a bit more episodic. No major guest stars have been announced to play "big bads" as in the past two years, although Patton Oswalt has been cast as a local cop who idolizes Raylan and gets to work with him on a case. Also, might as well mention that Natalie Zea will only be appearing in three episodes this season, partly because she was cast in the new Fox thriller The Following.

The first three episode titles, as per Wikipedia: "Hole in the Wall," "Where's Waldo?", and "Truth or Consequences".

Season 4 kicks off on TUESDAY, JANUARY 8TH AT 10 PM ET.

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Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


Oh wow, I didn't realize it was coming back so soon! I'm so ready for this!

Edit: A few more teasers for season 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAIH2PsWSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFh9sbChUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dpnc3bYd7g

Ghostpilot fucked around with this message at Dec 30, 2012 around 06:15

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001
CARTMEL MASTERPLAN AND/OR LOOMS APOLOGIST


Good OP, though I would disagree to an extent on the "Raylan Rage." part. Yeah, it's there, but not to the amount it was in his portrayal of Seth Bullock. Raylan tempers his rage with a healthy dose of dry, self depreciating humor. He's also modern enough to acknowledge his feelings and to know bottling them up is bad--even if he still would find most modern methods of properly dealing with them a bunch of hooey.

Raylan also has a strong sense of justice like Seth, a moral sense of right and wrong which guides him. But whereas Seth could be very "Judge Dredd" and inflexible, Raylan, who grew up with these characters in Harlan and whose father was a criminal, is much more mellow. He's more likely to look the other way with certain petty things in order to work the big picture. The idea of letting an informant get away with petty crimes to keep an ear to the ground for you would be alien and wrong to a 19th Century bible reading lawman like Seth.

Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


DivisionPost posted:

His calm, collected exterior masks a tremendous amount of righteous rage toward himself and the world around him. As such, when violent criminals create problems, he tends to find violent solutions to them.

Ewar Woowar
Feb 25, 2007



I watched The Shield after seeing three seasons of Justified...it's going to be interesting seeing Boyd now.

isk
Oct 3, 2007



"Next one's comin' faster" remains one of the most badass lines in the history of anything ever.

Really excited to see who comes back, and what state they're in. Hell, I'll take a minute of Quarles with a prosthetic.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

"Hey you want some cheese and crackers buddy?"


Watching Episode Four.

"I always wondered what I'd look like if I had long hair. Always thought if I had long hair I could be the lead singer of a rock and roll band."



Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


Ewar Woowar posted:

I watched The Shield after seeing three seasons of Justified...it's going to be interesting seeing Boyd now.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

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I dunno if I like the fact there's no season long bad guy. The show was most enjoyable watching Mags Bennett plans go off and just showing how drat devious she was, before getting outplayed by Boyd. Then, watching the fall of Quarells too.

Corkscrew
May 20, 2001

It's on my neck...

Been waiting all year for this.

I really feel like the lack of an announced major guest star is less an indication that the show will be super episodic and more than they're going to focus more on Boyd.

Take Boyd's story as a whole. Season 1, he's a petty criminal, blowing up poo poo and robbing banks, loving around out in the woods, and living in his father's shadow. Season 2 is him wrestling with being out of the game, earning an honest living, and feeling and ultimately succumbing to the pull to return to crime, but on HIS terms - setting up Mags and then remaining standing when the dust settles. Season 3? Now he's putting together his own crew. Growing pains, sure - the weed that ended up being trash, Arlo ending up as more of a liability than an asset (though he proves his worth in the end), Devil trying to doublecross him, and though he doesn't know it yet, Johnny working against him.

To me, Boyd seems primed to take off in Season 4. If anything, he's had a more dynamic trajectory than Raylan from the beginning til now. I think it goes without saying that the writers are more than capable of crafting a season-long arc centered around Boyd considering what they already did with Mags and Quarles.

All that said, I also look forward to some episodic stuff too. Justified's at its best when it mixes the two. Holding out hope for more Dickie, too.

Corkscrew
May 20, 2001

It's on my neck...

Oh yeah, also. Timothy Olyphant's gonna guest star in Archer this season. If you're not already watching Archer, you should.

http://screencrush.com/archer-seaso...mothy-olyphant/

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

Man you spin around on the roof of a building couple of times and people going to think that some other news company is trying to ape Daily Planet


January is going to rock.

TUS
Feb 19, 2003

I'm going to stab you. Offline. With a real knife.


Corkscrew posted:

Oh yeah, also. Timothy Olyphant's gonna guest star in Archer this season. If you're not already watching Archer, you should.

http://screencrush.com/archer-seaso...mothy-olyphant/

Olyphant wants to be on every FX show it seems.

SublimeDelusions
Jun 19, 2005
Dentyne Fire + Dentyne Ice = End of World?

TUS posted:

Olyphant wants to be on every FX show it seems.

Except for Sons of Anarchy it seems. Then again, he may catch something from Sutter and ruin Justified. So it's probably for the best.

Simstim
Mar 16, 2005

You just gave me a great idea buddy.

TUS posted:

Olyphant wants to be on every FX show it seems.

FX has some great shows, I tip my hat to whoever is responsible.

Dead Snoopy
Mar 23, 2005


One day, Mac on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia will give special guest star Timothy Olyphant an ocular pat-down...and, in turn, the look he will receive will be glorious.

Simstim
Mar 16, 2005

You just gave me a great idea buddy.

Olyphant and his crazy eyes would fit right in on American Horror Story.

Aatrek
Jul 19, 2004


my god

we're adrift in the heavens


Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.


I cannot loving wait

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

"Hey you want some cheese and crackers buddy?"


Season two, episode seven through my re-watch.

By the look of Raylan's face during her explanation, "Good thing you're pretty."

WastedJoker
Oct 29, 2011

Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shoulders... burning with the fires of Orc.


Literally my reaction when I realised it was so close:

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

"Hey you want some cheese and crackers buddy?"


I really, really hate Mags Bennett. What an incredible character. I think the most incredible part about her is how much people fall for sympathizing for her. She's the devil incarnate but people will actually feel bad for a woman who killed a young girl's father just so she could pretend to raise her.

Brad Henke I feel deserves more credit for his character.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.


When will s3 be available on DVD/blu-ray? I've gotten my neighbor addicted and he needs to watch last season before this one starts.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

"Hey you want some cheese and crackers buddy?"


chesh posted:

When will s3 be available on DVD/blu-ray? I've gotten my neighbor addicted and he needs to watch last season before this one starts.

12/31 according to Amazon

Donny Brook
Jul 23, 2007

Hello Ladies



Venus Van Dam was the best thing to happen to Sons of Anarchy in 3 years. She is the Belle Who Does Not Tell.

The Warszawa
Jun 6, 2005
"If they're shooting at you, you know you're doing something right."

OP needs more gifs/screenshots of Wynn Duffy during Raylan's interrogation from the finale.

"JESUS CHRIST!"

Seriously, everything about that scene is stone cold awesome.

"Okay ... just ... gimme a minute."

"No." and Raylan raises his gun. Goddamn.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001
CARTMEL MASTERPLAN AND/OR LOOMS APOLOGIST


One of the truly great things to look forward to is the fact that Wynn Duffy is still alive and will no doubt show up at some point.

Mexcillent
Dec 5, 2008


Guys I was super excited about this show when it first came out. I love Elmore Leonard Westerns so bad and I thought the pilot was the best example of adapting previous works for the screen in terms of replicating the feeling of a Leonard story. Then I watched the next handful of episodes and just didn't like the show, it felt in places like it was a USA procedural.

Was I wrong? Should I try to start the show from another point? Because it seems to me like Justified got a whole lot more bad rear end every time I hear someone talking about it.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009



First few episodes of the show are definitely the weakest stretch. Power through or try Season 2 before you give up for good.

3Romeo
Mar 23, 2007

Whatever fucking exists, he said. Whatever in creation exists without my fucking knowledge exists without my fucking consent.

I felt the same way. I think most people do. (It's also why I'm kind of leery about the more episodic format they've been discussing for season four).

But that aside, you really want to keep watching. The back half of the first season gets stronger per episode, the finale is fantastic, and the show finds its stride in season two with the introduction of the Bennetts. Margo Martindale knocks it out of the park as Mags (her Emmy was entirely deserved), and the story, with the exception of one or two episodes, is season-long.

Keep at it. You won't regret watching it.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Mexcillent posted:

Guys I was super excited about this show when it first came out. I love Elmore Leonard Westerns so bad and I thought the pilot was the best example of adapting previous works for the screen in terms of replicating the feeling of a Leonard story. Then I watched the next handful of episodes and just didn't like the show, it felt in places like it was a USA procedural.

Was I wrong? Should I try to start the show from another point? Because it seems to me like Justified got a whole lot more bad rear end every time I hear someone talking about it.

It did, but you absolutely need to stick with it. Think of the first season as groundwork; enjoy the USA procedural aspect of it, take note of how they're establishing the culture of Harlan County, the histories of Raylan and Boyd, and the baseline for an average day at the Marshall's office, while the season arc develops waaaaay in the background. For the season finale, they tie it all together with an amazing sequence and close out the season with a final shot that is utterly iconic.

When you start season 2, you'll meet Mags Bennett. That's when everything goes to the best possible hell.

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

What did I tell ya', no one remembers Blacula except us and Quentin Tarantino.


I am so totally ready for more Boyd. Hopefully this season has a lot of Boyd and Duffy interaction. There was some real promise in that last season.

Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


The Warszawa posted:

OP needs more gifs/screenshots of Wynn Duffy during Raylan's interrogation from the finale.

"JESUS CHRIST!"

Seriously, everything about that scene is stone cold awesome.

"Okay ... just ... gimme a minute."

"No." and Raylan raises his gun. Goddamn.

This one is from a tumblr (I'd never make one that janky).


And a bonus!

JohnSherman
Feb 29, 2012

You're gonna bob and weave out of the path of a bullet? That I'd like to see.


Ghostpilot posted:

And a bonus!


I've watched that scene a dozen times and never noticed that Raylan pulls away when Quarles reaches for his arm. This show.

Donny Brook
Jul 23, 2007

Hello Ladies


I tried to get my sister into this show and started her off with season 1 and she just couldn't get into it, but when I gave them season 2 to watch, she took one look at Mags Bennett and she was hooked. Her husband liked the first seaosn too, and now they're jonesing for season 3 and can't wait for season 4.

I can't believe it's just a little more than a week away.

ace_beef
Sep 16, 2003


Does someone have a gif of where Raylan and Quinn from Dexter face off at the table? It is an absolutely brilliant scene.

Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


ace_beef posted:

Does someone have a gif of where Raylan and Quinn from Dexter face off at the table? It is an absolutely brilliant scene.

Not the whole scene, but better than a gif:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifXhlg4N8e0

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Another
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For me I think my favorite scene is in the pilot when Boyd's thugs ambush Art, Tim and Rachel. Any other show, Raylan would have to save their rear end, being the hero. But nope. The entire team is just as badass. From "Kill or wing em?" To Rachel popping up with two guns it was awesome

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005



The 3rd or 4th episode in the 1st season where Raylan has to save that chocolate egg cream drinking informant from the gardner who is obsessed with having a Western-style duel with Raylan is a tremendously weak and lovely episode, and probably is the place where a lot of new viewers stop.

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Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Pron on VHS posted:

The 3rd or 4th episode in the 1st season where Raylan has to save that chocolate egg cream drinking informant from the gardner who is obsessed with having a Western-style duel with Raylan is a tremendously weak and lovely episode, and probably is the place where a lot of new viewers stop.

Yeah, that informant was awful and I'm glad they didn't really keep him around.

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