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the
Jul 18, 2004

AAAaaAAaAAAAAaaaaa

Let's discuss or reminisce about what could have been, if the spec scripts, rough drafts, or early ideas for films had actually come to fruition, how awesome they could have been.


For those of you who don't know, Alien 3 had multiple rewrites, with each one of them being a rather interesting film:

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The screenplay in a sense was even bolder than the Gibson script, in that it took place in an entire small-town USA city in a type of bio-dome in space. Red's screenplay resurrected the idea of aliens transforming humans into cocoons that was deleted from the original film. The screenplay's brash storyline culminates in an all out battle with the townsfolk facing hordes of Alien Warriors, yet it also contains an arguably higher level of horror than the previous films and screenplays. It is also the first screenplay in the Aliens genre to feature a genetically mixed Alien-Human creature in antibiosis (foreshadowing the "newborn" in Alien Resurrection). The screenplay also re-uses the "alien virus" idea from Gibson's draft, which this time gives rise to Alien mosquitoes, cattle, dogs and chickens and has even gained the ability to infect matter and technology as well, resulting in the space station itself being transformed into a giant alien-like creature

Which was then changed to:

IMDB posted:

The concept by Vincent Ward based on which the movie was green-lighted involved a wooden planet and a group of monks who thought they were living in post-apocalyptic dark ages, and had a middle-ages lifestyle. The group refused all kinds of modern technology, and when Ripley and the alien crash-land on Earth they would blame Ripley for the alien attacks. Ripley was to be impregnated by the alien "the old-fashioned way" rather than through a face-hugger, and therefore being impregnated with a human-alien hybrid. According to the storyboards, she would dream of half human-half alien hybrids. Other storyboards included horse-alien and sheep-alien hybrids. Ward left the project after the producers insisted that he change the monks to prisoners and drop the wooden planet idea.

Which was rewritten again and again until the original terrible film came out.

And after reading the original planned ending to Kevin Smith's "Red State," I think his original ending would have been the most loving amazing thing ever (Spoilers?):

Wikipedia posted:

During various interactive Q&As for the film, Smith has stated that the original ending actually continued through with the trumpets signaling the Rapture. After Cooper tells Keenan to shoot him, Cooper's chest explodes, followed by the remaining family members' chests exploding one by one, and then the remaining agents' chests exploding one by one. During these deaths, the ground shakes and splits, and Keenan curls up on the ground and closes his eyes. When he opens his eyes he sees the last agent killed with a giant sword coming out of his chest, which is being wielded by an enormous armored angel. The angel looks at Keenan, puts a finger to his lips, and says "shhhhh". The angel then flies off into the sky, and as the angel banks out of the picture, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse descend.

What other original, interesting, or really bizarre spec scripts have you seen for films?

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EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Not too many people knew about the Orsen Welles plans for a Batman movie until Mark Miller went into them and the production history fairly recently...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?...rticle&id=14529

quote:

He began meetings with National Comics (who would later become DC) as early as 1944 to discuss the Batman project, but his work didn't begin in earnest until completion of "The Stranger" in 1946 and Welles immediately threw himself headlong into the project. Gathering many of his old friends and colleagues together from "Citizen Kane," he proposed "a cinematic experience, a kaleidoscope of heroism and nightmares and imagery seen nowhere save the subconscious of Goya or even Hawksmoor himself." Welles planned Batman to be an adult psycho-drama, but combined with what he described as the "heart-racing excitement of the Saturday morning serials, given a respectable twist and a whole new style of kinetic direction unlike anything ever attempted in American cinema." Many of the production sketches he commissioned from Greg Tolland are in the notes and it sends a shiver down your spine when you see them. Unfortunately, I don't have permission to use the most elaborate ones here, but they'll be available in the book with his thirty-six page treatment for a movie that opens with the deaths of Thomas and Mary Wayne (why it's Mary I've no idea) and ends with Batman unmasked and fighting for his life against The Joker, The Riddler, Two-Face and Catwoman in a prison they've assumed control of.

The real treat for me was the casting notes and confirmation letters from the actors themselves such as George Raft signing up for Two-Face (after Bogart turned it down), James Cagney as The Riddler, Basil Rathbone as The Joker and Welles' former lover Marlene Dietrich as a very exotic Catwoman with the same salubrious past Miller gave the character forty years later in "Batman: Year One." Robin was completely absent from the picture, but the casting of Batman himself was the main reason the picture stalled and was consigned to the history books. Welles wanted to cast himself in the roles of both Batman and Bruce Wayne, but the studio wanted to go with a more traditional leading man like Gregory Peck. Peck agreed and was reportedly even shot in a makeshift costume for the part during a break between filming "The Yearling" and the classic "Duel in the Sun." Welles, however, was incensed at the decision. Despite being friends with Peck, he felt that this casting would completely compromise his vision and was especially angry at the studio's suggestion that he should replace Rathbone as The Joker if he really a part in the picture. The talks ended abruptly, Welles pulled out pf the whole deal and threw himself completely into "The Lady From Shanghai" and the "MacBeth" cinematic feature he had also been preparing for some time.

The tragedy for movie buffs is that, like Welles' proposed adaptation of Conrad's "Heart of Darkness," the world wouldn't get to see a Batman feature until the campy 1966 movie with Adam West. The tragedy for comic-book aficionados is that our big shot at respectability, when the genre was so young that people hadn't made up their minds about us yet, was blown because of an argument over something as small and petty as casting. The movie could have been a disaster, it's impossible to say, but the production notes, the treatment and the first draft I've been reading over the last couple of weeks makes me think this could have redefined cinema. This could have been his masterpiece and, who knows, might have launched the superhero renaissance we're undergoing at the moment with quality cast and directors two or three generations earlier. John Ford following up "The Bat-Man" with a "Captain America" movie? Cary Grant and Katharine Hepburn as Clark Kent and Lois Lane? In some weird, parallel reality these things are DVDs collecting dust on our video-shelves and Clint Eastwood is wishing some studio would give his funny, old "Unforgiven" cowboy flick half a chance at the next pitch meeting.

...because they didn't exist until that Mark Millar article. But it's one hell of an idea.

Monkeyseesaw
Oct 11, 2002

I do not believe you realize the gravity of your situation.

the posted:

And after reading the original planned ending to Kevin Smith's "Red State," I think his original ending would have been the most loving amazing thing ever (Spoilers?):

When the trumpets went off I thought Smith was actually going to go there and when it didn't the rest of the film left a bad taste in my mouth.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Because of the Prometheus thread and the recent passing of Moebius, I learned that Alejandro Jodorowsky was originally supposed to direct Dune



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935156/

There's even a documentary in the works about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dywGFB6-VzY

Moebius was the character designer on it:
http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/moebius/ <--

Giger was technical designer:
http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/hr-giger.aspx

Some of Giger's stuff ended up in the Lynch film, however

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at Dec 30, 2012 around 08:50

WebDog
Jun 14, 2006


Tim Burton's Superman Lives.

Apparently taking cues from Batman and Robin they actually peer tested the toy concept art on kids.


Burton's concept of Braniac - reportedly to be played by Tim Allen.


Braniac's skull in a later incarnation. I think it's actually his space ship.


Early fitting for Nic Cage.

From what I gather Jon Peters didn't want Superman in his traditional suit so the plot has him ending up in power armor - which is likely what this suit is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhMejIcD9o

More here and here

As much as I'm not a fan of Kevin Smith his retelling of the production hell in which he was at the mercy of insane ideas like Braniac fighting polar bears and a stand off against a giant spider for no real reason.

I really hope there's a massive tell-all one day as it sounds like it was a year of hell for everyone involved.

Chupe Raho Aurat
Jun 22, 2011


My favorite "unfilmed endings" are for films that love or hate, you have more likely than not seen.

I am legend:

Will Smith stuffs the woman and boy in the coal chute and detonates the grenade to save them.. camera pans out and to the rear of the house where a now damaged chute door swings slowly open. Two store dummys dressed as the boy and woman fall out.


Terminator salvation:

John Connor is fatally wounded and the decision is made to put his skin on the terminator (dumber than it sounds i know) the twist is that the leader of the human resistance for all four films was a machine the whole time, Bail was actually keen on an ending where his terminator charactor is put under for surgery, his Skynet chip takes over and he shoots everyone dead. Game over, Skynet wins.

Can only find link to TS ending im afraid

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2009/05/26/the-terminator/

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Whoa whoa whoa, I'd heard about that Terminator masquerading as John Connor story and was sad that they didn't film it, but if it was really going to end with him killing everyone, gently caress that.

SBJ
Apr 10, 2009


Chupe Raho Aurat posted:

My favorite "unfilmed endings" are for films that love or hate, you have more likely than not seen.

I am legend:

Will Smith stuffs the woman and boy in the coal chute and detonates the grenade to save them.. camera pans out and to the rear of the house where a now damaged chute door swings slowly open. Two store dummys dressed as the boy and woman fall out.


This is a much better ending than the one we got. That being said, the ending of the book (which is better than anything written for the movie, including the one you posted) is pretty much the only reason why it's even titled "I am Legend". The movie completely butchers the storyline and doesn't even resemble it in any way. You could watch the movie, and read the book and get two completely different stories.

Rhinoceraptor
Jan 3, 2008

WOO-HOO!
DOIN' MY LITTLE BEAN DANCE!


quote:

Ripley was to be impregnated by the alien "the old-fashioned way" rather than through a face-hugger, and therefore being impregnated with a human-alien hybrid.

You know what? I think I'll take Alien 3 over this.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012


Rhinoceraptor posted:

You know what? I think I'll take Alien 3 over this.

IIRC Sigourney Weaver actually demanded a sex scene with her and the xenomorph in either Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection. I can't remember how they convinced her that it was a bad idea but I am loving glad they did.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008


Ridley Scott, Russell Crowe, and Nick Cave were seriously trying to get a Gladiator 2 made where Maximus is resurrected by the Gods and becomes immortal and then appears throughout history in various battles and conflicts, eventually ending with him in the Pentagon.

They made Robin Hood instead, itself originally written as Nottingham, a version of the story sympathetic to the sherrif with an irritating Robin Hood and a love triangle with Maid Marion.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

Wizards only, fools.
Keep it tight.


Szmitten posted:


They made Robin Hood instead, itself originally written as Nottingham, a version of the story sympathetic to the sherrif with an irritating Robin Hood and a love triangle with Maid Marion.

Oh gently caress, do I remember this. The original had planned to be a crime drama with the sheriff investigating a series of grisly murders. I was psyched out of my mind. It was innovative, it was dark and it took a familiar property and turned it on its head. drat it to hell, I'm still upset over it.

quote:

... Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris’s “Nottingham” was a “C.S.I.”-style look at the classic tale from the point of view of the Sheriff of Nottingham using period forensics. Sherlock Holmes in Sherwood Forrest, if you will.
http://incontention.com/2010/05/16/...rgettable-film/

gently caress.

On the flipside (if this is okay), the ending to Se7en only came about because New Line accidently sent Fincher a rejected draft of the script:

David Fincher posted:

So finally, I got a script by a guy who was kind of in my world, and thinking about films the same way I was, and revered the same kinds of movie that I revered – Andy Walker, who had written a script called Seven. He couldn't get it made and had rewritten it 13 times in order to make it more "likeable". So this script was floating around and my agent, who's very sweet and always very hopeful, said, "You know, New Line is interested in this. You might like this, and they might want to make it with you, so maybe you should read it." So I read it, and got to the end, with the head in the box, and I called him and said, "This is fantastic, this is so great because I had thought it was a police procedural; now it's this meditation on evil and how evil gets on you and you can't get it off." And he said, "What are you talking about?" And I talked about the whole head-in-the-box thing, she's been dead for hours and there's no bullshit chase across town and the guy driving on sidewalks to get to the woman, who's drawing a bath while the serial killer sneaks in the back window. And he goes, "Oh, they sent you the wrong draft."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009...view-transcript

lizardman
Jun 30, 2007

My Amp Traction, how will I ever live without it? They changed the formula. I actually had a hard time completely finishing the can! Now how will I give myself kidney stones and shut my liver down?


Improbable Lobster posted:

IIRC Sigourney Weaver actually demanded a sex scene with her and the xenomorph in either Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection. I can't remember how they convinced her that it was a bad idea but I am loving glad they did.

The compromise was in Ressurrection where there's a short scene of Ripley being held by an alien that's shot in a way that, if you wanna go there, looks like they're making love.

If I remember right, Weaver actually proposed that idea way back during Aliens and Cameron was just sort of like "hahaha no."

Also, people always talk about 'what could have been' with Alien 3 with such fondness but honesty every idea I've heard is crazy at best or just dumb at worst. Aliens are a virus? Yeah, no thanks. And I don't know why so many writers had a hard-on for human-alien hybrids.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your Mother!


In 1976 - 77, Paramount was actively working to get a Star Trek movie made. They received a pitch titled "Planet of the Titans" from a couple of British writers, and they loved it so much that they were rushing to get it into production. Philip Kaufman was going to direct, Ralph McQuarrie was doing design sketches and Ken Adam would have done the production design. Additionally, Toshiro Mifune would have played the Klingon heavy.

quote:

Set after the five-year mission depicted in the series, the film involved Starfleet competing with the Klingons for claim to the supposed homeworld of the mythical Titans, a technologically-advanced race long thought extinct. As the planet is pulled into a black hole, the USS Enterprise must also face off against the Cygnans, the alien race responsible for the Titans' disappearance. Ultimately, Captain Kirk is forced to take the Enterprise into the black hole to defeat the Cygnans, a decision that sends the starship and its crew backwards in time thousands of years and into orbit around Earth. After introducing fire to the primitive Humans living at the time, Kirk and his crew are revealed to be the legendary Titans.

Kaufman's script was never completed, as Paramount got spooked over the budget, but ... God drat, Mifune as a Klingon would have been amazing.

Chupe Raho Aurat
Jun 22, 2011


Stephen king presented an idea for the first star trek movie where the crew breaks through a wall at th eend of the universe to discover god is a child.. he goes into detail in his book Danse Macabre.

Dickeye
Oct 12, 2007

"I never thought you'd be the one to help me achieve my dreams!"

Most Improved CD Poster Custom Title Award, 2007 to present.


Peter Jackson's Nightmare on Elm Street script is pretty much the best goddamn thing I've ever heard.

Basically the idea was that following Freddy's last defeat, nobody was scared of him anymore, rendering him powerless. Kids would actually take sleeping pills to fall asleep and kick the poo poo out of him in their dreams. One day, Freddy fights back and accidentally kills a kid, striking a little fear in the hearts of the rest of them and giving him some power back. The rest of the movie would basically be a revenge picture starring Freddy Krueger.

loving awesome.

edited for an explanation

Dickeye fucked around with this message at Dec 31, 2012 around 00:13

Chupe Raho Aurat
Jun 22, 2011


Dickeye posted:

Peter Jackson's Nightmare on Elm Street script is pretty much the best goddamn thing I've ever heard and here are some details!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.



Das Boo posted:

Oh gently caress, do I remember this. The original had planned to be a crime drama with the sheriff investigating a series of grisly murders. I was psyched out of my mind. It was innovative, it was dark and it took a familiar property and turned it on its head. drat it to hell, I'm still upset over it.

This sounds amazing, and Robin Hood was such unbelievable poo poo that it makes things even worse.

Seriously, was that film REALLY made by Ridley Scott?

James Woods Fan
Oct 13, 2012

strada-chocolata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhMejIcD9o

This is the actual suit that was going to be used in Superman Lives. The photo with Nic Cage is his face photoshopped onto an action figure. It is believed Cage either bought the photos from Warner Brothers or he made a deal that they'd never be released after production fell through.

Undead Unicorn
Sep 14, 2010
DONT YOU FUCKING DARE INSULT ENDERS GAME GOD DAMN
MAYBE I SHOULD BE COMBATIVE AND TALK MORE ABOUT ENDERS GAME IN THIS THREAD

DO ME A FAVOR AND ENSURE THAT I GET TO WRITE PARAGRAPHS-LONG DIATRIBES DEFENDING THE WORK OF A MAN WHO THINKS BEING MOLESTED MAKES KIDS GAY. GOOD SHIT


Dickeye posted:

Peter Jackson's Nightmare on Elm Street script is pretty much the best goddamn thing I've ever heard.

Basically the idea was that following Freddy's last defeat, nobody was scared of him anymore, rendering him powerless. Kids would actually take sleeping pills to fall asleep and kick the poo poo out of him in their dreams. One day, Freddy fights back and accidentally kills a kid, striking a little fear in the hearts of the rest of them and giving him some power back. The rest of the movie would basically be a revenge picture starring Freddy Krueger.

loving awesome.

edited for an explanation

This literally is the perfect satire of the stupidity of the revenge film too. Pedophiliic murderer gets back at those meddling kids, while an audience cheers and applauds.

James Woods Fan
Oct 13, 2012

strada-chocolata

Wasn't him being a pedophile only hinted at in the original films, that he was suspected? I know the horrible remake made it outright explicit.

Dickeye
Oct 12, 2007

"I never thought you'd be the one to help me achieve my dreams!"

Most Improved CD Poster Custom Title Award, 2007 to present.


James Woods Fan posted:

Wasn't him being a pedophile only hinted at in the original films, that he was suspected? I know the horrible remake made it outright explicit.

He was going to be a pedophile but then there was some crazy huge child molestation/pornography thing that happened right while they were shooting so it was changed to murderer because Craven didn't want to look like he was cashing in on the news.

Chupe Raho Aurat
Jun 22, 2011


SBJ posted:

This is a much better ending than the one we got. That being said, the ending of the book (which is better than anything written for the movie, including the one you posted) is pretty much the only reason why it's even titled "I am Legend". The movie completely butchers the storyline and doesn't even resemble it in any way. You could watch the movie, and read the book and get two completely different stories.

You cant have complex endings in movies if you want them to succeed.. The public is literally too stupid to handle a complex/downer ending. Im not just talking "Im so clever" either, have some examples:

Grenlins 2: The new batch

The scene were the film "breaks" in the middle followed by a short scene of gremlins making shadow puppets over the projector bulbs. The scene had to be changed when people in theatres started complaining because they believed the film was really broken.

Little shop of horrors

The plant takes over the world ending was completely stripped out and replaced with a "the hero survived the roof caving in on him and kills the plant" due to complaints, never mind the original ending has been used in every version of the play since its creation.

Avatar: the last airbender

Had to have "the last air bender" crammed into its tittle as the public got confused about having two movies with the same name so close together.

Pulp fiction (personal example!)

The girl i took to the movie (despite being normal in every other way) could not seem to wrap her head around the fact its a series of short stories, told out of order, staring the same group.

well why not
Feb 9, 2009


That's not an uncommon stumbling block for some people, particularly those who aren't used to non-linear narratives.

As far as the audiences being confused by non-happy endings, just remember what the Inception thread was like.

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.



Dave Allen, the stop motion animator for When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth, Flesh Gordon, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Robojox, and this BOSS Volkswagen ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClCad9F8U3U

spent years of his life trying to make a stop motion movie called The Primevals about aliens fighting prehistoric beasts. A bit of test footage has leaked and, man, we missed out on something fun as hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-cNJ_4nRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN48BINgdjk

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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penismightier posted:

Flesh Gordon

I did a presentation of this in front of a film class (Sex & Science Fiction). Never imagined I'd have to go into an adult sex shop and pay $40 for a used VHS copy of a porno for college, but the class laughed their asses off and the professor loved it.

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.



Steve Yun posted:

I did a presentation of this in front of a film class (Sex & Science Fiction). Never imagined I'd have to go into an adult sex shop and pay $40 for a VHS copy of a porno for college, but the professor laughed his rear end off.

It's a terrible movie, but that Beetleman fight is a genuinely great action scene. It's like when Coneheads springs that crazy rancor fight in at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bBfJeFap_o

BooDoug187
Apr 8, 2005

Don't you fear the yetis in Rio?

Das Boo posted:

Se7en stuff

On the Se7en DVD commentary Fincher talked about how R. Lee Ermey first auditioned for the role of the killer. Fincher even said that Ermey came in costume of what he thought the killer would look like: flat top hair cut, horn rim glasses and what looked like some just bought clothes from Wal-Mart. Fincher talked about how he wanted Ermey to be in Se7en and kinda liked his take on the killer but decided to make Ermey the police captain instead of the killer.

If we are talking about movies that never were how about we talk about bad idea sequels?

There was talk about making a Se7en sequel about Morgan Freeman's character going after a serial killer... but now Freeman's character has psychic powers! Freeman and Fincher both said they would never do that movie.

After Fight Club became a cult hit Chuck Palahniuk got offers and talks of making either a sequel or a spin off movie about Tyler Durden. Palahniuk kept saying no to these ideas and said on the Fight Club DVD that he owns all rights to the character so that not even Fox could make a movie with that character.

Now for something I would have loved to have seen:

Akira Kurosawa was originally picked to direct the Japanese part of the film Tora! Tora! Tora!. He wrote the script and worked on the film for two weeks. He was told that he was going to work with a American director (the name escapes me right now) but when he got on set he found out the director he wanted to work with passed on the project and no one told Akira. Akira was stuck directing his stuff with the studios making him change large parts of his script. Akira decided he wanted to be fired so he used up large chunks of money repainting the aircraft carrier sets because they werent the "right tone of gray" and threw large parties. The studio quietly fired him and got another Japanese director.

One main thing about Akira's script is that the studio heads were worried that some of the things that Akira was going to show (all the training, practice, and other things) would have shown how really unprepared the American fleet was. The studio heads were worried that the US Military and WW2 vets would be angry and think they were glorifying the Japaneses.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007


Steve Yun posted:

Because of the Prometheus thread and the recent passing of Moebius, I learned that Alejandro Jodorowsky was originally supposed to direct Dune



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935156/


You can't talk about Jodorowsky's Dune without talking about Salvador Dali as the Emperor

Alejandro Jodorowsky posted:

Dalí agrees with much enthusiasm the idea to play the Emperor of the galaxy. He wants to film in Cadaquès and to use as throne a toilet made up of two intersected dolphins. The tails will form the feet and the two open mouths will be used one to receive the "wee", the other to receive the "excrement". Dalí thinks that it is of terrible bad taste to mix the "wee" and the "excrement".

It is said to him that I will need him for seven days... Dalí answers that God made the universe in seven days and that Dalí, while not being less than God, must cost a fortune: 100,000 dollars an hour. Perhaps that while arriving at the set he will decide to film each day more than one hour for the same price.
I seem to remember reading that the throne/toilet was to be made of clear glass and that Dali would use it for it's intended purposes, but I couldn't find an explicit quote about that.

Skwirl fucked around with this message at Dec 31, 2012 around 04:08

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Aw, son of a bitch!

EvilTobaccoExec posted:

Not too many people knew about the Orsen Welles plans for a Batman movie until Mark Miller went into them and the production history fairly recently...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?...rticle&id=14529


...because they didn't exist until that Mark Millar article. But it's one hell of an idea.

Speaking of Batman film projects that never took off: there were actually a few before Nolan got the green-light in 2003 for Batman Begins (which saw release two years later).

The first was supposed to be the third Joel Schumacher Batman movie entitled "Batman Triumphant". WB was so impressed with how Batman & Robin was progressing during production that they green-lit Triumphant for a summer 1999 release. George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell were to return as Batman and Robin respectively. Scarecrow and Harley Quinn were to be the villains. Akiva Goldsman (writer of both previous Schumacher Batmans) turned down Triumphant. Jeff Goldblum was allegedly atop WB's list to be Scarecrow as well and the plot was to be Scarecrow's fear toxin made Batman think The Joker had returned (Harley Quinn was re-written to be Joker's daughter as well). The project hadn't progressed far enough along for Jack Nicholson to be contacted or Joker to be re-cast either.

Of course, Batman & Robin bombed and Triumphant got canned.

During this time, a Batman script got read by WB executives (a big deal in Hollywood) called "Batman: DarKnight". It appeared to be kind of what Incredible Hulk was to Ang Lee's Hulk in that it very loosely followed the former but completely ignored anything it did. Bruce Wayne was in self-imposed isolation feeling he lost what it meant to be Batman while Dick Grayson was off to University to discover who he was (and not ready to become Robin again until he found that answer). Scarecrow and Man-Bat were to be villains with the former responsible for the latter's transformation. Batman had to return to clear his name (after Man-Bat terrorizes Gotham) while Dick Grayson ends up in Arkham under the watch of Jonathan Crane.

DarKnight never got past that reading and WB decided they would pick one of two projects as the next Batman film. Batman Year One or Batman Beyond (that latter being a live-action version of the animated series).

Darren Aronofsky was cast to direct Batman Year One after Beyond was quickly scrapped. Aronofsky was coming off the success of Requiem for a Dream at the time (this was in the fall of 2000 which I distinctly remember reading about in high school). He planned to reboot Batman and cast Christian Bale in the role even going to far as approaching the man. WB canned this version in 2002 and you can read Aronofsky talk about what he had planned whenever this subject comes up in interviews.

Nolan and David S. Goyer came along, pitched their idea for Batman Begins and the rest is history.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Skwirl posted:

You can't talk about Jodorowsky's Dune without talking about Salvador Dali as the Emperor

I seem to remember reading that the throne/toilet was to be made of clear glass and that Dali would use it for it's intended purposes, but I couldn't find an explicit quote about that.

Even more fun, when Dali demanded $100k per hour Jodorowsky redid the thing so that everything he needed Dali for could be shot in one hour and then he made plans for an animatronic Dali Emperor to stand in for him in other scenes.

Awesome Welles
Nov 1, 2010

A BIG DISH OF PEAS YOU SAY?!

IMPOSSIBLE. MEANINGLESS.


BooDoug187 posted:


Akira Kurosawa was originally picked to direct the Japanese part of the film Tora! Tora! Tora!. He wrote the script and worked on the film for two weeks. He was told that he was going to work with a American director (the name escapes me right now) but when he got on set he found out the director he wanted to work with passed on the project and no one told Akira. Akira was stuck directing his stuff with the studios making him change large parts of his script. Akira decided he wanted to be fired so he used up large chunks of money repainting the aircraft carrier sets because they werent the "right tone of gray" and threw large parties. The studio quietly fired him and got another Japanese director.

One main thing about Akira's script is that the studio heads were worried that some of the things that Akira was going to show (all the training, practice, and other things) would have shown how really unprepared the American fleet was. The studio heads were worried that the US Military and WW2 vets would be angry and think they were glorifying the Japaneses.

Oh man, that was John Ford, and IIRC the two were actually pretty good friends. I remember reading that they both admired each other (Kurosawa especially, because he was influenced a lot by Ford's films), and they were really excited to work on it.

Just the idea of a Ford\Kurosawa film sounds loving amazing and I think it's terrible that it never happened.

James Woods Fan
Oct 13, 2012

strada-chocolata

The script for Aronofsky's Year One is also easily found online. It was even more "realistic" than Nolan's series and would've been interesting.

Power of Pecota
Aug 3, 2007

It is not this bad, there is hope, there is charity, there is sufficient joy, there is compassion, blah blah blah blah Charles Dickens' three ghosts visit Scrooge and he wakes up to life blah blah blah blah...


Another full script that can probably be found pretty easily online - Richard Kelly's one for Holes. It used to be available on his website (and I was lucky enough to find my old flash drive with the PDF on it) but I think it was taken down a few years ago.

Outside of character names and a basic premise pretty much everything's radically different from the actual story. A few highlights:

- Mr. Pendanski takes Stanley and a few other campers to get drunk and buys prostitutes for Stanley and Zero. Stanley ejaculates prematurely.
- Mr. Sir has a conversation about Metallica being the music of the devil after Stanley is "intoxicated by the guitar and drums" when one of their songs starts playing on a jukebox.
- Some kids dig an extra-big hole and hit what they think is a spring of water, and a bunch of kids run over to play with it. A guard flicks a cigarette in it, and it ends up that the spring was gas and it explodes.
- A sassy mess hall worker named Derek continually harasses X-Ray, and when he does everyone around goes (as written in the script) "AWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
- I'm just going to transcribe this one:

"Mr. Sir then raises his PISTOL to Zero... his finger on the trigger...

...WHEN SUDDENLY THERE IS A LOUD ELECTRICAL SNAPPING SOUND. MR. SIR'S HEAD FLINCHES SLIGHTLY... HIS EYES SUDDENLY FILLED WITH HORROR... JUST BEFORE HE FALLS DOWN FACE FIRST ONTO THE GROUND.

Stanley and Zero look down in shock at the back of Mr. Sir's head... and see the BLADE OF ONE OF THE SPARKPLUG HAMMERS IS IMBEDDED IN THE BACK OF HIS SKULL."

Tardcore
Jan 24, 2011

Not cool enough for the Spider-man club.


Power of Pecota posted:

Another full script that can probably be found pretty easily online - Richard Kelly's one for Holes. It used to be available on his website (and I was lucky enough to find my old flash drive with the PDF on it) but I think it was taken down a few years ago.

Outside of character names and a basic premise pretty much everything's radically different from the actual story. A few highlights:

- Mr. Pendanski takes Stanley and a few other campers to get drunk and buys prostitutes for Stanley and Zero. Stanley ejaculates prematurely.
- Mr. Sir has a conversation about Metallica being the music of the devil after Stanley is "intoxicated by the guitar and drums" when one of their songs starts playing on a jukebox.
- Some kids dig an extra-big hole and hit what they think is a spring of water, and a bunch of kids run over to play with it. A guard flicks a cigarette in it, and it ends up that the spring was gas and it explodes.
- A sassy mess hall worker named Derek continually harasses X-Ray, and when he does everyone around goes (as written in the script) "AWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
- I'm just going to transcribe this one:

"Mr. Sir then raises his PISTOL to Zero... his finger on the trigger...

...WHEN SUDDENLY THERE IS A LOUD ELECTRICAL SNAPPING SOUND. MR. SIR'S HEAD FLINCHES SLIGHTLY... HIS EYES SUDDENLY FILLED WITH HORROR... JUST BEFORE HE FALLS DOWN FACE FIRST ONTO THE GROUND.

Stanley and Zero look down in shock at the back of Mr. Sir's head... and see the BLADE OF ONE OF THE SPARKPLUG HAMMERS IS IMBEDDED IN THE BACK OF HIS SKULL."


Haha ok that's a pretty good fake-post.

Power of Pecota
Aug 3, 2007

It is not this bad, there is hope, there is charity, there is sufficient joy, there is compassion, blah blah blah blah Charles Dickens' three ghosts visit Scrooge and he wakes up to life blah blah blah blah...


Tardcore posted:

Haha ok that's a pretty good fake-post.

I really wish I could have come up with this stuff on my own, but it's totally real and you can find tons of stuff talking about its existence. Snippet obviously courtesy of richard-kelly.net:

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Tardcore
Jan 24, 2011

Not cool enough for the Spider-man club.


Power of Pecota posted:

I really wish I could have come up with this stuff on my own, but it's totally real and you can find tons of stuff talking about its existence. Snippet obviously courtesy of richard-kelly.net:



Well that's the strangest thing I've seen in awhile, drat.

TheBigBudgetSequel
Nov 25, 2008

Space Batman
is sick of your shit.


Dickeye posted:

Peter Jackson's Nightmare on Elm Street script is pretty much the best goddamn thing I've ever heard.

Basically the idea was that following Freddy's last defeat, nobody was scared of him anymore, rendering him powerless. Kids would actually take sleeping pills to fall asleep and kick the poo poo out of him in their dreams. One day, Freddy fights back and accidentally kills a kid, striking a little fear in the hearts of the rest of them and giving him some power back. The rest of the movie would basically be a revenge picture starring Freddy Krueger.

loving awesome.

edited for an explanation

Apparently it ended with him literally dragging Elm Street down to hell. That would kick some serious rear end.

It was also called The Dream Lover. That's a better title than Freddy's Dead.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Power of Pecota posted:

Another full script that can probably be found pretty easily online - Richard Kelly's one for Holes. It used to be available on his website (and I was lucky enough to find my old flash drive with the PDF on it) but I think it was taken down a few years ago.

Outside of character names and a basic premise pretty much everything's radically different from the actual story. A few highlights:

- Mr. Pendanski takes Stanley and a few other campers to get drunk and buys prostitutes for Stanley and Zero. Stanley ejaculates prematurely.
- Mr. Sir has a conversation about Metallica being the music of the devil after Stanley is "intoxicated by the guitar and drums" when one of their songs starts playing on a jukebox.
- Some kids dig an extra-big hole and hit what they think is a spring of water, and a bunch of kids run over to play with it. A guard flicks a cigarette in it, and it ends up that the spring was gas and it explodes.
- A sassy mess hall worker named Derek continually harasses X-Ray, and when he does everyone around goes (as written in the script) "AWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
- I'm just going to transcribe this one:

"Mr. Sir then raises his PISTOL to Zero... his finger on the trigger...

...WHEN SUDDENLY THERE IS A LOUD ELECTRICAL SNAPPING SOUND. MR. SIR'S HEAD FLINCHES SLIGHTLY... HIS EYES SUDDENLY FILLED WITH HORROR... JUST BEFORE HE FALLS DOWN FACE FIRST ONTO THE GROUND.

Stanley and Zero look down in shock at the back of Mr. Sir's head... and see the BLADE OF ONE OF THE SPARKPLUG HAMMERS IS IMBEDDED IN THE BACK OF HIS SKULL."


Jesus Christ, what possessed someone to make this from a novel for middle schoolers?

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OneThousandMonkeys
Oct 9, 2005

The Strangest Vengeance Ever Planned

lizardman posted:

The compromise was in Ressurrection where there's a short scene of Ripley being held by an alien that's shot in a way that, if you wanna go there, looks like they're making love.

If I remember right, Weaver actually proposed that idea way back during Aliens and Cameron was just sort of like "hahaha no."

To be fair it sounds like Weaver was ready to take all those body horror and overt sexual themes to their natural conclusion.

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