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Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


New Year. New Thread.

2012 had a lot of great comics, a lot of drama, BEFORE WATCHMEN, a million different comic book films either released or announced, even more drama. 2013 should have more great comics, hopefully less drama and maybe the second issue of Non Player?

Last year was the year of Brandon Graham. I think building of off Hawkeye 2013 will be the year of Matt Fraction. Also everybody will realize they should have been buying Glory all along. Pretty Deadly will end up being book of the year.

And in the spirit of this thread being a tumblr depository James Stokoe posted this in case people were worried that Orc Stain had stopped, didn't still look amazing and didn't have enough dicks.

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Mr Wind Up Bird
Jan 23, 2004

i'm a goddamn coward
but then again so are you


The end of Glory is going to be one of those great comic tragedies marked by people every few years discovering the trades and asking "wow is there any more like this?" only to find out "no, there really isn't." Sad times.

Darth Nat
Aug 24, 2007

It all comes out right in the end.


There's Ross Campbell's Mountain Girl, which is similar in that it's a giant woman beating the crap out of absolutely everything. But it's basically impossible to get since you have to personally ask him for it at cons, so I've only read what little I could find online.

Little Mac
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Brothers

I don't know who Brandon Graham is...

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


Little Mac posted:

I don't know who Brandon Graham is...

You sick bastard. Do yourself a favor and read Prophet #21. It's a relaunch of a Liefeld book... and it's one of the best books of 2012. Who'da thunk it?

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/...-milonogiannis/

I haven't read Multiple Warheads yet.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Multiple Warheads is even better than Prophet.

It's got all the imagination that Prophet has but it's just so much more dense. Every single panel is overlapping with fun and puns, nothing exists in the book to just be background fluff.

Issue one was also the best dollar to page combo of last year.

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.


Waterhaul posted:

Multiple Warheads is even better than Prophet.


Pretty much this. It's hard for me to compare them because they really aren't trying to do the same thing, but as much as I like Prophet, Graham really shines when he's serving as cartoonist, rather than writer.

Also, I think King City also might have one of the best dollar to page ratios of collections released last year. drat thing is a steal at $20.

Mister Chompers
Sep 11, 2011


bairfanx posted:

Pretty much this. It's hard for me to compare them because they really aren't trying to do the same thing, but as much as I like Prophet, Graham really shines when he's serving as cartoonist, rather than writer.

Also, I think King City also might have one of the best dollar to page ratios of collections released last year. drat thing is a steal at $20.

I've been noticing King City in a good number of Post your Collection pics so was thinking about checking it out, guess I'm picking it up now if it's only $20.

Edit: $15 from Amazon.ca, SCORE! Grabbed it and Saga Vol 1 for $25.10.

Mister Chompers fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2013 around 22:38

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.


Mister Chompers posted:

I've been noticing King City in a good number of Post your Collection pics so was thinking about checking it out, guess I'm picking it up now if it's only $20.

Edit: $15 from Amazon.ca, SCORE!

Yeah, it's $20 MSRP. poo poo is some of the best comics. If you're really super into tight storytelling, it may rub you the wrong way a bit, but that's the most negative thing I can think about it.

Adam Strange
Oct 11, 2012

He laughs. The line goes dead.

It's a really nice looking book. The only complaint I have is the pages aren't as thick as they are in the single issues but that shouldn't matter if you're going straight into the trade. Besides, 400+ pages for < is a steal.

e: disregard that, comparing them again I think I might just be crazy

Adam Strange fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2013 around 23:25

al-azad
May 28, 2009



The quality of the first quarter is noticeably poor. It looks like someone upscaled tiny thumbnails and some pages are poorly aliased.. It was originally published by Tokyopop but was it at tankobon size?

The image quality doesn't ruin the book but really the "story" doesn't come into its own until the midway point. Everything up until then is a series of seemingly unrelated events.

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.


al-azad posted:

The quality of the first quarter is noticeably poor. It looks like someone upscaled tiny thumbnails and some pages are poorly aliased.. It was originally published by Tokyopop but was it at tankobon size?

The image quality doesn't ruin the book but really the "story" doesn't come into its own until the midway point. Everything up until then is a series of seemingly unrelated events.

Anything I think you would call the "story" of King City very easily has its roots in the second, if not the first, issue, but if you're looking for anything resembling a normal narrative, you're in the wrong place (luckily, if you don't realize this through the first 90% of the book, the last chapter makes it pretty explicit).

As to the art? The only thing I noticed that could even kind of be explained by what you're saying is that some of the blacks aren't solid, but that's all I'm seeing. His style went from more angular to more smooth between the first half and the second half, which could cause at least some of the disparity. I certainly wouldn't have called it "noticeably poor," though.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



The story definitely becomes more structure at the midway point. The first few chapters establish the three major plot points: Joe and the cultists, Pete and the sex slave, and Anna and her boyfriend. For the first 1/3 it mostly meanders around these three characters and their personal interactions. Around the halfway point (about Chapter 18) the cultists unleash the monster and all three characters meet up. The second half of the book is so much better than the first half because the structure is tighter, the characters are allowed to interact with each other, and the pacing is much faster. All the characters are deeply introspective in the first half but halfway through they kick poo poo into gear and actually start doing stuff instead of watching stuff happen from the sidelines. The writing also becomes noticeably better and most of Graham's clever wordplay and visual irony doesn't occur until this mark. As far as the art goes, the early pages definitely have a hazy look to them as if they weren't scanned at a high enough DPI. It's really noticeable in the pages leading up to where the cat defeats the monster for the first time. Black lines aren't sharp, there's clear aliasing, and the blacks are faded.

When I say "poor" I'm not calling it out for being lovely, it just doesn't look as good as the later pages. The entire last half of the book (everything after the first time we see the cat training farm and Master Mudd) is infinitely better than the first half it's almost like a completely different story. And if you read the afterword, Graham says he took a hiatus, went through chemo, lost a testicle, started Multiple Warheads (the original version), and married his wife before going back to King City and the difference in quality is astounding. He must have sharpened his style and puntastic writing on Warheads because the differing halves of the book are like night and day.

Adam Strange
Oct 11, 2012

He laughs. The line goes dead.

The faded blacks are a deficiency in the paperback printing; the singles published by Image are much better in that regard.

Other than that, I think you're putting way too much stock in the idea that the writing and art are significantly stronger in the second half of the book. While I agree the second half is improved from the first, at least in terms of art, it's really a refinement more than anything else. Calling anything "infinitely better" is straight up hyperbole because all the stuff that makes King City King City is there from the beginning. bairfanx alluded to it, but looking for a structured narrative in KC is bunk. It's not about that. There are elements you can loosely point to as *plot* but that poo poo doesn't really matter: the most interesting thing about King City is that the moments in between are actually the ones at the forefront. It's the meandering moments that are most important and most satisfying. That way of doing things, along with the dense storytelling, the jokes, etc. are all there to start with.

King City is about... a lot of things I guess but despite the setting or surrealist bent, all of them are incisively human. It's about a guy who's coming back home after a few years away and realizing that both he and his town have changed but not completely sure which has changed more and to what degree. It's about meeting up with old friends, running into exes, and just... chilling. It's about eating food and going to the bathroom. I think it's pretty telling that the most formally inventive cartooning is reserved for Earthling's weird contortions while other people are talking.

Adam Strange fucked around with this message at Jan 2, 2013 around 05:37

al-azad
May 28, 2009



It's a testament to Graham's attention to detail that it elicits different responses from people because no, I didn't care for the first half. The beginning portions felt so mellow compared to everything after they defeated the monster the first time. The characters are more assertive, the action occurs rapidly, and the characters stop talking and actually start doing things. If that's the point of the story, that's fine, but as a reader I don't identify with the opening bits at all. I had to shelf the book for a month because the first few chapters were just really boring.

Multiple Warheads is a much more enjoyable book because even though the basic setup is just as simple (a bounty hunter and a couple on a road trip) there's a lot more visual action and the characters are proactively engaging in things.

Adam Strange
Oct 11, 2012

He laughs. The line goes dead.

al-azad posted:

It's a testament to Graham's attention to detail that it elicits different responses from people because no, I didn't care for the first half. The beginning portions felt so mellow compared to everything after they defeated the monster the first time. The characters are more assertive, the action occurs rapidly, and the characters stop talking and actually start doing things. If that's the point of the story, that's fine, but as a reader I don't identify with the opening bits at all. I had to shelf the book for a month because the first few chapters were just really boring.

Multiple Warheads is a much more enjoyable book because even though the basic setup is just as simple (a bounty hunter and a couple on a road trip) there's a lot more visual action and the characters are proactively engaging in things.

Yeah, fair enough. I dig Multiple Warheads a lot too.

On a related note, I think 2012 was the Year of Road Trip Comics for me. Warheads, Saga, and the new Fantastic Four comic are all pretty cool.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Littlefinger up for the haters

You people should check out this GIANT-rear end list of the best comics of 2012: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/...comicsalliance/

Glad to see some love for Mind MGMT, Conan the Barbarian, and Hawkeye.

The lack of Prophet is bewildering.

Darth Nat
Aug 24, 2007

It all comes out right in the end.


I believe you missed the "MOST TASTEFUL IMPLICATION OF INTER-SPECIES INTERCOURSE" category.

Mister Chompers
Sep 11, 2011


Shageletic posted:

You people should check out this GIANT-rear end list of the best comics of 2012: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/...comicsalliance/

Glad to see some love for Mind MGMT, Conan the Barbarian, and Hawkeye.

The lack of Prophet is bewildering.

Prophet won MOST TASTEFUL IMPLICATION OF INTER-SPECIES INTERCOURSE.

Edit: I've never heard of Mind MGMT, what are people's opinions on it?

Mister Chompers fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2013 around 02:43

Mr Wind Up Bird
Jan 23, 2004

i'm a goddamn coward
but then again so are you


While it's fun to see my good taste validated in list form by including things like Prophet and Conan, the real value for me here is seeing what our dear departed David Brothers suggests and discovering what Fantagraphics put out this year that completely flew past my radar.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Littlefinger up for the haters

Mister Chompers posted:

Prophet won MOST TASTEFUL IMPLICATION OF INTER-SPECIES INTERCOURSE.

Edit: I've never heard of Mind MGMT, what are people's opinions on it?

Woops, still going through the thing.

I loved Mind MGMT. A great, head twisting mystery with heaps of interesting world building. Its definitely something I'd recommend.

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!

Any Halo fans read the comics? I've been on a kick since getting Halo 4 and I've only read the OGN. Are the minis any good?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Apparently drawing the series drove Alex Maleev bonkers because some people from Halo's development team kept asking him to redraw Master Chief, specifically his junk a couple times.

Mister Chompers
Sep 11, 2011


Shageletic posted:

Woops, still going through the thing.

I loved Mind MGMT. A great, head twisting mystery with heaps of interesting world building. Its definitely something I'd recommend.

Just checked Amazon and it isn't out until April but threw it on my wishlist for now, saw this though "As an incentive to draw in readers who would otherwise "wait for the trade", each issue includes material which will not be in the collected editions", any idea what that stuff is?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Littlefinger up for the haters

Mister Chompers posted:

Just checked Amazon and it isn't out until April but threw it on my wishlist for now, saw this though "As an incentive to draw in readers who would otherwise "wait for the trade", each issue includes material which will not be in the collected editions", any idea what that stuff is?

Yeah, its on the inside front page and inside back page, and is basically case files of this omnipresent mysterious organization. Its fun reading and definitely something that you'd want to have as well.

Mister Chompers
Sep 11, 2011


Shageletic posted:

Yeah, its on the inside front page and inside back page, and is basically case files of this omnipresent mysterious organization. Its fun reading and definitely something that you'd want to have as well.

Okay guess I'll have to see if I can track down the issues and hopefully it won't be a quest, thanks for the info.

TomWaitsForNoMan
May 28, 2003

Da? Were we up the top o' that Finnieston Crane all night?

Bastard wouldn't give me a straight answer. I suppose we'll never know...

I saw Ragemoor recommended in that article, but I've never heard of it before. What's it like?

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.


El Gallinero Gros posted:

Apparently drawing the series drove Alex Maleev bonkers because some people from Halo's development team kept asking him to redraw Master Chief, specifically his junk a couple times.

This sounds like when Stokoe was told he had to redraw some Warhammer orcs because they don't have nipples or genitals. This, of course, lead in part to his ridiculous phallic epic.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

I saw Ragemoor recommended in that article, but I've never heard of it before. What's it like?

A young man is the caretaker of Ragemoor, a sentient castle filled with Lovecraftian horrors, and his love for a woman trapped in its halls slowly consume his sanity. It's a short story (4 issues?) with Corben's trademark disturbing art.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005





Who made your avatar and where can I send the mailbomb, tia.





totally not joking, report attempted ponycide

al-azad
May 28, 2009



McSpanky posted:

Who made your avatar and where can I send the mailbomb, tia.





totally not joking, report attempted ponycide

It's my thanks for doing a Star Trek LP.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

I saw Ragemoor recommended in that article, but I've never heard of it before. What's it like?

You have not been reading my posts carefully enough

It's the best horror book of last year and has Corben making up his own Lovecraftian horrors and doing his usual great thing. Really short and to the point, ends on a perfect scare.

Bitchin Kitchen posted:

Any Halo fans read the comics? I've been on a kick since getting Halo 4 and I've only read the OGN. Are the minis any good?

The Bendis/Maleev joint "Uprising" is kind of pretty but pointless. It was supposed to fill in details between 2 & 3 but Microsoft kept mucking about with the story and it's pretty much a pointless mess. Peter David took over the books afterward for some fill in arcs, Helljumpers, which were also alright, Fred Van Lente did an arc as well which was decent.

Then Brian Reed took them over and has become the main writer for the mini's and the franchise. They've basically just become re-writes of the tie-in novels (specifically Fall of Reach) but condensed to be easier to read/fit into Halo 4 continuity better.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005




al-azad posted:

It's my thanks for doing a Star Trek LP.

Ah, I thought your name seemed familiar! I haven't checked that thread in forever... apparently for the better.

Bitchin Kitchen
Jun 2, 2006
Capital!

Waterhaul posted:


The Bendis/Maleev joint "Uprising" is kind of pretty but pointless. It was supposed to fill in details between 2 & 3 but Microsoft kept mucking about with the story and it's pretty much a pointless mess. Peter David took over the books afterward for some fill in arcs, Helljumpers, which were also alright, Fred Van Lente did an arc as well which was decent.

Then Brian Reed took them over and has become the main writer for the mini's and the franchise. They've basically just become re-writes of the tie-in novels (specifically Fall of Reach) but condensed to be easier to read/fit into Halo 4 continuity better.

Thanks those are some names that make me pay attention so I'll probably check out the David and Van Lente ones at least. And Bendis Maleev are a team I would read pretty much anything on so that's pretty cool, too.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



I bought the first Glory collection on Comixology. You know, I wasn't really sold on the series until page 45, where they go into her lair and she has a Baron of Hell skull from DOOM hanging on her wall.

Darth Nat
Aug 24, 2007

It all comes out right in the end.


Hakkesshu posted:

I bought the first Glory collection on Comixology. You know, I wasn't really sold on the series until page 45, where they go into her lair and she has a Baron of Hell skull from DOOM hanging on her wall.

The Glory title font is the same as the Doom font.

There are also numerous other Doom references, since Ross Campbell is a huge fan apparently. There's also a BFG-9000 on the wall of her lair. And look for a Cacodemon later.

Mister Chompers
Sep 11, 2011


God drat Amazon is fast, now I just gotta decide Saga or King City first.



Edit: Saga owns anyone who hasn't read it DO IT ASAP!

Mister Chompers fucked around with this message at Jan 4, 2013 around 04:36

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



Man, the colouring in Glory #29 is amazing. I wish the whole book looked like that; it really elevates the art.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Yeah the colouring and the art just continue to improve as the series progresses but once Nanaja show's up there's a very noticeable jump in quality.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

God damn it get a new avatar already.

I was just accused of selling pornography to minors here in the store. A woman came in flipping out over her child having access to Xenoscope comics. Now, I know it's her husband /boyfriend that busy them but she's swearing up and down that we sold them to her 11 year old son. This might get messy.

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