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Rumda
Nov 3, 2009

*bip*


Any tips for establishing a balanced budget straight off?

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axeil
Feb 14, 2006

The Philadelphia Eagles are merely a series of booms and busts; the long run trend of the franchise is positive.

But the long run is a misleading guide to professional football. In the long run we are all dead.


So I finally got HOI 3 because it was on sale on Steam and what the hell am I doing?

There's so many drat screens and options. I tried playing as the USSR just like I did to learn how to play HOI 2 and I can't figure out what I should be doing. Should I be trying to move people into the Comintern? Should I build a bunch of IC like you're supposed to in HOI 2? Should I research tanks? Infantry?

Is there an instructional Let's Play or anything I can use to help me figure out how to play this game? I know it's not the most popular Paradox game but it looks really neat even if it's flawed and I'd like to avoid getting my rear end kicked by the Nazis on my first play-through while I bumble around like an idiot.

Kneel Before Zog posted:

Could someone describe instances of easily attainable fun to be had in Victoria 2?

Play as the USA and try to prevent the Civil War from happening as long as you can. I had a lot of fun doing that. And then when the Civil War came I enjoyed crushing those dirty rebels in under 2 years. The USA is setup really well to allow you to learn the game's mechanics as it has an easily winnable war against Mexico and annexing Texas gives you 4 different population types to work with (Yankee, Dixie, Texan and Native American) so you can see how things work.

After I finished the Civil War I worked on making an American Empire by acquiring all the islands in the Caribbean while turning the country into a socialist dictatorship. The colonization was pretty easy but socialism didn't take root except in Michigan and Pennsylvania. I still managed to get a few Socialist Presidents but I couldn't complete the revolution . Doing this forced me to learn how to deal with production management since you can't just let your Capitalists build everything.

My endgame was a Great War with the USA, Germany, Portugal, Austria-Hungary and Japan going to war with Spain, France and the UK. The UK never released Canada so the Candadian front was very exciting and fighting in Europe was focused in Portugal instead of France, giving World War I a much more interesting dynamic with lots of amphibious assaults from both sides.

Trying to win the Civil War as the CSA is also quite a challenge from what I hear if you'd like a more difficult goal. When the Civil War happens you get a decision on whether you want to control the Union or the Confederates so you can still use the regular start date.

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Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010


So, I've completed my first self-imposed mission in Victoria 2/AHD with the Pop Demand Mod installed: survive as the United States of Central America until at least the 20th century, remain a democracy, and become either a Secondary Power or Great Power. Things looked bleak at first - in the 1840s the National Party, a reactionary party, was elected to power and turned the country into a dictatorship. They lingered around until being forced from power by a Militant Socialist uprising in the late 1860s and everything's been fine and dandy ever since. The Presidential elections are so heavily skewed towards the Socialists that we're effectively a one-party state, but other than that we're a free and open democracy. The political and social reforms we've rammed through means that the USCA has the highest rate of immigration in the entire world, even more so than the United States, and we have minimal militancy and unrest.

Becoming a Secondary Power was slightly harder, but it was made a lot easier when Yucatan declared independence from Mexico and decided to join my country, giving me an entire extra state right off the bat. After that it's just been decades of building up prestige and industry while maintaining a moderately-sized military to deal with the occasional nationalist uprising. I also managed to conquer Haiti and Panama, but was then strongarmed by the United States into giving them the Panama Canal Zone.

As of 1915, USCA is the 13th-ranked nation in the entire world, the only nation with 'Unity' as their National Value, and is most probably the most culturally diverse nation on the planet, with fully a third of the population from foreign cultures and Mahayana Buddhism the second-largest religion in the country. I have no idea how I created a socialist utopia without cheating, but it's awesome.

Other fun stuff from this playthrough so far (it's now early 1914):

-Scandinavia united into a single country early on, then the monarchy was quickly overthrown by Jacobin rebels and liberal democratic Scandinavia has been one of the Great Powers ever since, with loving massive African colonial holdings.
-The American Civil War didn't start until 1875, and the Confederacy inexplicably took over and cored the Mexican state of Chihuahua at some point. The Union ended up defeating them decisively and annexing them, and Chihuahua has been an American state ever since. My pretty borders!
-Every single German minor state, along with Prussia, fell to Communist revolution in sequence in the 1890s and then united into the communist North German Federation, except for one tiny West German state (can't remember which) that remained as an independent communist nation. Austria-Hungary fell to socialist revolution in the early 1900s, followed shortly by the Netherlands falling to communism. There's now a huge-rear end bloc of leftist nations in Central Europe.
-France and Italy both fell to Fascist revolutions in reaction to the Communist risings, and fascists also took over Spain and reformed it into Carlist Spain. Western Europe is now run almost entirely by fascists or reactionaries.
-Roughly a third of the Chinese warlord cliques have turned democratic.
-Sokoto still exists as an independent nation.
-Colombia didn't abolish slavery until 1911.

This is actually my favorite part of Paradox games, playing as a mostly minor and insignificant nation and watching weird and interesting things happen in the rest of the world.

Currently looking forward to the Mother of All Wars which is almost certainly about to go down in Europe. Curious about what Russia will do, they're a major wildcard - constitutional monarchy controlled by a liberal/reformist party with significant civil and political rights, but less than friendly towards the commies.

Mister Bates fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2013 around 06:16

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

quote:



I converted over Can Omer's map to EU3+ 1.01, and this is the result. There's probably a few bugs in it, but far as I can tell it's pretty good. It doesn't change the province count, just the look of the map, so the balance is all the same. It's mostly great because the Caribbean and various other islands aren't just circular blobs anymore, as well as just looking great in general. Test it out, and see how it goes.

http://filesmelt.com/dl/canomerazeri.rar

Crosspostin' this here because EU3+ hasn't been updated and this was on the second last page of the old thread. Extract it right into the EU3+ folder, and delete the map cache.

Wiz
May 16, 2004



ThePutty posted:

Crosspostin' this here because EU3+ hasn't been updated and this was on the second last page of the old thread. Extract it right into the EU3+ folder, and delete the map cache.

FYI, there's some problems with your integration where you've missed properly integrating files or linked to missing graphics files. I've fixed them and properly integrated it into the next version.

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

Wiz posted:

FYI, there's some problems with your integration where you've missed properly integrating files or linked to missing graphics files. I've fixed them and properly integrated it into the next version.

Which files did I miss in particular? Always looking to improve my modding skills.

Wiz
May 16, 2004



ThePutty posted:

Which files did I miss in particular? Always looking to improve my modding skills.

You missed including EU3+'s Aalborg/Lucca provinces, and in the interface folder you had files pointing to Can Omer's title screen (which wasn't included) and a bad link to the minimap that was searching inside a non-existant mod/Can Omer/.

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

Wiz posted:

You missed including EU3+'s Aalborg/Lucca provinces, and in the interface folder you had files pointing to Can Omer's title screen (which wasn't included) and a bad link to the minimap that was searching inside a non-existant mod/Can Omer/.

They were both turned into a province in Iceland and Greenland, respectively, in the original map mod. I turned the second into the province of Luks, as I thought Prussia was relatively weak with only 2 provinces, and being sandwiched above Poland. Didn't know about the graphics problems though, so thanks.

ThePutty fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2013 around 06:31

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new DLC tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

Alchenar posted:

The major land campaign of WW2, Germany vs Russia (ie. the fun bit most people buy the game for), requires you to have the AI fight for you.

Germany is my most played country and I never use AI army control. You can prefer it, that's fine, saying it is required is not true though.

Wiz
May 16, 2004



ThePutty posted:

They were both turned into a province in Iceland and Greenland, respectively, in the original map mod. I turned the second into the province of Luks, as I thought Prussia was relatively weak with only 2 provinces, and being sandwiched above Poland. Didn't know about the graphics problems though, so thanks.

To be specific, I turned Greenland/Iceland provinces into those provinces because I felt either of them having more than one province to be silly.

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

Wiz posted:

To be specific, I turned Greenland/Iceland provinces into those provinces because I felt either of them having more than one province to be silly.

I'm sure there's an Icelandic nationalist out there on the Paradox forums somewhere who'd disagree

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

???


Mister Bates posted:

-The American Civil War didn't start until 1875, and the Confederacy inexplicably took over and cored the Mexican state of Chihuahua at some point. The Union ended up defeating them decisively and annexing them, and Chihuahua has been an American state ever since. My pretty borders!

Open console with ` button
showprovinceid
changeowner* <Insert country tag here> <Insert province ID here>
Pretty borders!

*This may be changeprovinceowner, can't remember.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


Is Victoria 2 multiplayer playable at all? It seems like the economy is unstable enough in singleplayer.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

The only mystery left,
is what I put in your tea.


Luigi Thirty posted:

Is Victoria 2 multiplayer playable at all? It seems like the economy is unstable enough in singleplayer.

The main issue is that it's a lot easier getting out of synch. Don't expect to be running over speed 3, and certainly don't count on passing speed 2 during a war. Late game, with the increased number of POPs and goods it's almost unplayable if you're not physically in the same room. At least that has been my experience.

Antinumeric
Nov 27, 2010

BoxGiraffe


Is it possible to remain independent as Navarre in EU3? Every time I play as them I almost immediately get conquered. Any tips?

John Charity Spring
Nov 3, 2009

ACTIVATE THE QUEEN


Gorgo Primus posted:

Thanks for the compliments guys!

I have always had a bad feeling that East vs. West would be terrible given how AoD's team handled the cold war in their first outing, but I've really wanted to be pleasantly surprised by them. Sadly, looking at the screenshots and reading the DDs has only made it worse. So... basically the complete opposite of EU4, where I have a really good feelings about it and the screenshots and DDs have only made it look/sound better.

I'm getting the same feeling about East vs West and it makes me sad.

I liked Arsenal of Democracy a lot, but I think I mostly liked it for its slight usability improvements and the addition of casualty statistics (as abstracted as they were). I liked being able to see how many millions had died in warfare as the years wore on.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

How can you have a yellow alert in Spacedock?


Rumda posted:

Whats a good nation to start with in vicky 2, is it better to start with a small nation so as not to get overwhelmed or a large one so you have more options?

Brazil for building from the ground up, Belgium for starting with a good industrial base, Prussia for military, and someone recommended Sweden once for industralizing. You also can never go wrong with the USA.

@Gorgo Primus: maybe since these questions pop up a lot, and since the thread is still new, add a list of 4-5 "beginner" countries to each of the major games' blurbs in the OP? My take:

CK2: Dukes of Munster/Meath (Ireland), King of Poland, King of Croatia, Duchy of Apulia, any of the Christian Kings in Spain
EU3: Austria, England, Castille
Vic2: Brazil, Belgium, Prussia, Sweden, USA
HoI2/3/DH: USA, Germany, USSR

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

The only mystery left,
is what I put in your tea.


Antinumeric posted:

Is it possible to remain independent as Navarre in EU3? Every time I play as them I almost immediately get conquered. Any tips?

Re-start until Aragon gets a vassalize mission on you, lose the war, use your fantastic sliders to get ridiculous trade income, rush Quest for the New World (switch ideas when you hit Naval 7), make a colonial empire. If Castille is winning (and failing to properly annex Aragon), you should have an easy time getting independence in the mid 1550s and even grabbing some provinces, otherwise wait a bit more. Then murder some Americans, some Africans, some Indians, some Southeast Asians. By the 1600s you should be in position to conquer your way into France and/or Spain.

Works in Vanilla and MiscMods, not EU3+, as that places additional limitations on colonial efforts and trade. You really can't pull this off without exploiting game mechanics.

Supeerme
Sep 13, 2010


So I just got Rome Gold on Steam and it gave me both Rome Gold and Vae Victus. Should I install both or just Rome Gold?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

NAZI GERMANY WAS CONDEMNED ONLY BECAUSE THEY KILLED WHITE PEOPLE.


You guys remember that dreadful Sengoku game?

Turns out getting the map into CK2 wasn't that difficult.



Making it playable however could be tricky.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

The Pink Warrior should just shut up!


Riso posted:

You guys remember that dreadful Sengoku game?

Turns out getting the map into CK2 wasn't that difficult.



Making it playable however could be tricky.



I love how there's whole cultures literally living in the sea.

Antinumeric
Nov 27, 2010

BoxGiraffe


ZearothK posted:

Antinumeric posted:

Is it possible to remain independent as Navarre in EU3? Every time I play as them I almost immediately get conquered. Any tips?
Re-start until Aragon gets a vassalize mission on you, lose the war, use your fantastic sliders to get ridiculous trade income, rush Quest for the New World (switch ideas when you hit Naval 7), make a colonial empire. If Castille is winning (and failing to properly annex Aragon), you should have an easy time getting independence in the mid 1550s and even grabbing some provinces, otherwise wait a bit more. Then murder some Americans, some Africans, some Indians, some Southeast Asians. By the 1600s you should be in position to conquer your way into France and/or Spain.

Works in Vanilla and MiscMods, not EU3+, as that places additional limitations on colonial efforts and trade. You really can't pull this off without exploiting game mechanics.

So no then. It's weird that it's independent for most of EU3's time frame, but the second you start a game they get absorbed immediately. It's like the second the game starts everyone goes war crazy.

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Gorgo Primus
Mar 29, 2009

We shall forge the most progressive republic ever known to man!


Drone posted:

@Gorgo Primus: maybe since these questions pop up a lot, and since the thread is still new, add a list of 4-5 "beginner" countries to each of the major games' blurbs in the OP? My take:

CK2: Dukes of Munster/Meath (Ireland), King of Poland, King of Croatia, Duchy of Apulia, any of the Christian Kings in Spain
EU3: Austria, England, Castille
Vic2: Brazil, Belgium, Prussia, Sweden, USA
HoI2/3/DH: USA, Germany, USSR

I'm gonna say no for now unless theres a huge demand for it. I can't think of a place to put such a thing in the OP without breaking up its flow, and it would be really hard to come up with a list that most people agree on. For instance I would never in a million years suggest a new person play the USSR in HOI3 or USA in DH... but I'm sure there are people who have and would want them on the list. Then we'd either have a dumb long discussion over a largely arbitrary list (Brazil is great but Argentina is not because...? What does it have that Argentina doesn't?!), or a list so long, thorough, and useless that it eats the OP (the everything everyone wants on it approach).

Or I could be being dumb and someone has a really great idea for it and it fits in somewhere fine. But, I'm gonna go with no for now.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008



John Charity Spring posted:

I'm getting the same feeling about East vs West and it makes me sad.

I liked Arsenal of Democracy a lot, but I think I mostly liked it for its slight usability improvements and the addition of casualty statistics (as abstracted as they were). I liked being able to see how many millions had died in warfare as the years wore on.

Easily the biggest flaw of Darkest Hour (that and keeping the original's CAS division melting effectiveness - unless that's been fixed lately?), my precious statistics

DerLeo
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string

Is A House Divided considered essential for V2 or not?

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.

Pimpmust posted:

Easily the biggest flaw of Darkest Hour (that and keeping the original's CAS division melting effectiveness - unless that's been fixed lately?), my precious statistics

The 1.03 beta patch has casualty statistics, and even gives you a casualty report after battles. I don't think CAS obliterates land forces, either.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

The only mystery left,
is what I put in your tea.


Gorgo Primus posted:

I'm gonna say no for now unless theres a huge demand for it. I can't think of a place to put such a thing in the OP without breaking up its flow, and it would be really hard to come up with a list that most people agree on. For instance I would never in a million years suggest a new person play the USSR in HOI3 or USA in DH... but I'm sure there are people who have and would want them on the list. Then we'd either have a dumb long discussion over a largely arbitrary list (Brazil is great but Argentina is not because...? What does it have that Argentina doesn't?!), or a list so long, thorough, and useless that it eats the OP (the everything everyone wants on it approach).

Or I could be being dumb and someone has a really great idea for it and it fits in somewhere fine. But, I'm gonna go with no for now.

It fits with the description of the games, right at the end.

Paradox Game
This game is about this and that, et cetera et al, goons think this, go.

Recommended starting positions: blah, blah, blah. If a description is needed as to why, make it a three word explanation. There.

It is not an inexhaustible with over-elaborate explanation, it's not even a "best of", list, just some guidance for a question that gets asked a lot.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


DerLeo posted:

Is A House Divided considered essential for V2 or not?

It's an expansion for a Paradox game so yes.

SA_Avenger
Oct 22, 2012


Supeerme posted:

So I just got Rome Gold on Steam and it gave me both Rome Gold and Vae Victus. Should I install both or just Rome Gold?

Install both. Vae victis really adds to the game and EUR is a great game that provides lots of different gameplay depending the country you pick (personnal fave is Pontus)

Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007


axeil posted:

So I finally got HOI 3 because it was on sale on Steam and what the hell am I doing?

There's so many drat screens and options. I tried playing as the USSR just like I did to learn how to play HOI 2 and I can't figure out what I should be doing. Should I be trying to move people into the Comintern? Should I build a bunch of IC like you're supposed to in HOI 2? Should I research tanks? Infantry?

Is there an instructional Let's Play or anything I can use to help me figure out how to play this game? I know it's not the most popular Paradox game but it looks really neat even if it's flawed and I'd like to avoid getting my rear end kicked by the Nazis on my first play-through while I bumble around like an idiot.


Try this tutorial series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ3D7qq61iw
It's a little dated, but all of the core concepts are the same, and they do a pretty professional job. I've just picked up HOI3 again after being scared away the first time. I strongly encourage you to pick up the Complete version and the latest expansion. It really is a brand new game. All of the glaring flaws have been eliminated, and new features give it a lot of depth that OCD freaks like me really appreciate. There is still a ton of micromanagement for the majors unless you are willing to trust the AI with your pretty panzers.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008



Friend Commuter posted:

The 1.03 beta patch has casualty statistics, and even gives you a casualty report after battles. I don't think CAS obliterates land forces, either.

Moving/retreating land forces too? Those would just melt away in <4 hours under a stack of Stukas in the original/early Darkest Hour.

The HoI2 air attack model always seemed to fluctuate wildly between "attacking ground units is like using the Death Star for close air support" and "Utterly useless to even bother with, use interdiction only".

More broken than early NAVs obliterating fleets, or stacks of 30 submarine flotillas doing the same

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Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010


Pimpmust posted:

Moving/retreating land forces too? Those would just melt away in <4 hours under a stack of Stukas in the original/early Darkest Hour.

The HoI2 air attack model always seemed to fluctuate wildly between "attacking ground units is like using the Death Star for close air support" and "Utterly useless to even bother with, use interdiction only".

More broken than early NAVs obliterating fleets, or stacks of 30 submarine flotillas doing the same

In Kaiserreich, at least, tactical bombers and CAS still obliterate moving ground units and lone divisions involved in battles. It's how I won the Second American Civil War as the Syndicalists - just pummeled every enemy division to death one at a time with aircraft.

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight


Hello friend Wiz. In EU3+ 1.02 Franconia has elector=yes in its history file two times, making it display as having two elector votes at the start of the game. I'm not sure if it actually has two votes in practice but its a really easy thing to fix.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

NAZI GERMANY WAS CONDEMNED ONLY BECAUSE THEY KILLED WHITE PEOPLE.


You know, I think I might be getting somewhere.



No, it's not playable because there's no baronies defined.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

You walk through life not knowing who the idiots are! That gives them the element of surprise! And that's how they ruin your day!


This thread reminded me I have EU3 on my Steam account. What's the best country/region to start out as for someone completely new to the game?

ChikoDemono
Jul 10, 2007

He said that he would stay forever.

Forever wasn't very long...


Castille. Start off with a claim on a Muslim, strong enough to take nearby lands. Relatively safe from major powers.

Gorgo Primus
Mar 29, 2009

We shall forge the most progressive republic ever known to man!


iastudent posted:

This thread reminded me I have EU3 on my Steam account. What's the best country/region to start out as for someone completely new to the game?

Fine... I'll add the lists; But I will grumble while doing so.

Edit: Done. The OP now contains a list of suggested countries for new players, for each game.

Gorgo Primus fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2013 around 21:59

Defeatist Elitist
Jun 17, 2012

I've got a carbon fixation.

Riso posted:

You know, I think I might be getting somewhere.



No, it's not playable because there's no baronies defined.

You know, I remember looking through the files and thinking about doing this, but it seemed like so much work. If you get it all done, holy poo poo, I don't know how much I'd love you, but it probably wouldn't be pretty.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

The Pink Warrior should just shut up!


Riso posted:

You know, I think I might be getting somewhere.



No, it's not playable because there's no baronies defined.

Well, it looks like you've got your work cut out for you!

Maybe you could find some sufficiently history goons to help you with finding some of the names for defining baronies? Also, I find that Text Mechanic is really helpful for doing long lists of things, like for localizations.csv and such.

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SeaTard
Apr 2, 2010


Wasn't there a mod that basically setup random duchies/counties/owners on the regular CK2 map? It should be possible to use that as a base, and make a random Sengoku map version of CK2.

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