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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

*RONK, RONK*
Make that three rard-boiled eggs.


Greetings, spandex enthusiasts. It's a new year, and we're about to hit year 3 of the Punchsport Pagoda as we now know it. As such, we'd like you to help us look both back and forward -

What do you, the posters, want to see more of as we head into 2013? What do you want to see less of? What are your suggestions to improve this forum?

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SNARF SNARF SNARF
Apr 23, 2012
i don't understand what you're talking about, but it makes me mad as hell! Listen to me, as I spout gibberish, and know that I. I am MAD.


Less rules, more shitposters, more fun.

Bubba Smith
Sep 27, 2004

Just Cruzing...


I like these forums a lot and can't think of anything bad that needs to be changed.

One thing that could be cool would be to sticky a Fighter of the Month/Wrestler of the Month thread like you see in other forums occasionally (I think Cinema Discusso does a Movie of the Month for example). Either to highlight the career of a guy who recently retired or has been kind of forgotten about, or maybe to hype something big happening that month. it would be like that legends thread that we used to have when PSP was created, but would focus on 1 or 2 dudes a month and not all of them at once.

but if that has been tried before/nobody gives a poo poo then nevermind

Jefferoo
Jun 23, 2008
PLEASE GO AWAY JEFFEROO. YOU ARE NOT AN INTELLECTUAL SAVIOR, YOU ARE THE WORST POSTER IN GAMES(AND RAPIDLY GOING DEAF!) AND A BLIGHT UPON HUMANITY.


Have an .MP3 of "CAN YOU SMEEELLLLL" in the Rock voice every time I vote 1.

MrSmokes
Jun 18, 2011


I like the forum as is, the only thing I would change is more MMA threads.

origami
Jun 24, 2011


There should be a sticky that includes info on why Randy Couture is a bad person.

-Atom-
Sep 13, 2003

This is an emoticon superimposed on an approximation of renowned UFC-fighter Chael Sonnen's visage.
I made this myself and totally didn't scrub my chest with acetone to make more room for sharpie-art.

Also: Ultima Online!
And germany has a really nice countryside, you should see it!


Will 2013 be the year that we finally get James Thompson an account? How can we work towards this goal, PSP?

In all actuality I quite like the way this forum operates as far as the MMA threads are concerned.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Bubba Smith posted:

I like these forums a lot and can't think of anything bad that needs to be changed.

One thing that could be cool would be to sticky a Fighter of the Month/Wrestler of the Month thread like you see in other forums occasionally (I think Cinema Discusso does a Movie of the Month for example). Either to highlight the career of a guy who recently retired or has been kind of forgotten about, or maybe to hype something big happening that month. it would be like that legends thread that we used to have when PSP was created, but would focus on 1 or 2 dudes a month and not all of them at once.

but if that has been tried before/nobody gives a poo poo then nevermind

To expand on this the wrestling portion of the forum seems a lot more robust than the MMA part which is largely contained in three threads (month chat, event chat, b-league chat), adopting a bit of the wrestling monthly stuff or career retrospectives etc. would be good. When MMA got put in here one of my favourite threads was the mixed martial artists who are as hosed up as professional wrestler gimmicks and even now the Agony and Ecstasy of Fedor/Ducking Overeem/Ducking Heavyweight/Ducking UFC/Ducking James Thompson thread is one of the better threads. That people still confuse the Agony Jon Jones thread with Jon Fitch probably means we need a Jon Fitch thread anyway but yeah a whole lot more monthly champion/fighter randomness/Such Great Heights would be good.

And who wouldn't want more Frankie Edgar alongside New Jersey chat outside of the monthly discussions?

Lid fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2013 around 09:40

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010

James Thomoson
#1 B league HW
(and of our hearts)


-Atom- posted:

Will 2013 be the year that we finally get James Thompson an account? How can we work towards this goal, PSP?

In all actuality I quite like the way this forum operates as far as the MMA threads are concerned.

He doesn't need yet another forum to be posting on to have to spam his stuff, plus I don't think he will quite understand what this place is.

I'll get him to pop over and say Hi though.

We had to stop filming the other day because he had to reply to Tyson Fury on Twitter, and it takes him awhile, his fingers are too big for his Phone.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010

James Thomoson
#1 B league HW
(and of our hearts)


Alternatively, make me a Mod and I will moderate peoples posts to be more JT centric + issue out suspensions for insulting JT in any way.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Well, it sounds like the first order of business is PSP needs to buy James Thompson a typing-wand

Also agreed that Olde Timey Punching Mans Chat would be a good and cool thing, it's easier than trying to shoe-horn "GENKI SUDO WAS GREAT, LOVE HIM" into discussions about Trashweights.

Maybe some sort of book/documentary thread (By the way, everyone go read Tank Abbott's novel, it is awful and hilarious), since those seem to be getting more numerous these days?

Other than that, do punch-fans care about things the wrestle people have, like threads for pictures or twitter or whatever? I guess someone could just make those threads and see if they get any response.

Rodney the Piper
Sep 19, 2005
Goodbye Cena.

I wouldn't change anything about the wrestling aspect of things, and I don't know enough to say anything about the MMA threads.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Rodney the Piper posted:

I wouldn't change anything about the wrestling aspect of things, and I don't know enough to say anything about the MMA threads.

New ways to get people into MMA and make it accessible to general population and buzz may be a thing to look into too

ChaosSmurf
Dec 26, 2011


Lid posted:

New ways to get people into MMA and make it accessible to general population and buzz may be a thing to look into too

Yeah. There's a couple of times I've thought about watching some MMA but there isn't a thread I can go to where it goes "HERE'S EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE CURRENT WAYS MEN AND WOMEN PUNCH THE EVER LOVING poo poo OUT OF EACH OTHER" so I didn't.

Wrestling side of stuff's pretty sweet though. Not being hype as gently caress for the Royal Rumble should be a bannable offense.

Rodney the Piper
Sep 19, 2005
Goodbye Cena.

Lid posted:

New ways to get people into MMA and make it accessible to general population and buzz may be a thing to look into too

This would be great, actually; I'm really busy nowadays, but I've wanted to get into MMA beyond "yay punches." I'm sure this summer I'll have time to watch a few more shows, and being able to understand the ground game in particular would be great.

(Of course, the last show I watched was UFC 140, and I thought I'd take a break after the brutal finishes in the last two fights. Jesus.)

Julio Cesar Fatass
Jul 24, 2007

YES!
YES!
YES!


I think more MMA threads can only help. The General thread and the hosed Up Fighters thread brought a lot of new people (like me) into the SASMMA community and I'd love to see a new General OP and a some threads focused on old promotions or old fighters.

Watch party threads for old events might be fun too, but I don't know how you could do that without getting into trouble.

Retrospective threads for old promotions and fighters sound pretty cool.

Grifter
Jul 24, 2003

I do this technique called a suplex. You probably haven't heard of it, it's pretty obscure.

I too would like to see more MMA threads. We need to stop posting everything in the monthly threads and break out separate discussion more often, like we did for the 151 debacle. I'm going to start a gif thread to help with this. I used to check out the zombie prophet posts and get my gifs there but since that got shut down there isn't a good place to find collected gifs that I know of so I think a thread here would be popular.

Rodney the Piper posted:

This would be great, actually; I'm really busy nowadays, but I've wanted to get into MMA beyond "yay punches." I'm sure this summer I'll have time to watch a few more shows, and being able to understand the ground game in particular would be great.
Helping new people get into MMA was one of the purposes of the MMA Q&A thread originally. It's massively out of date now, but anything in there that isn't immediate in nature is still accurate - the stuff about the rules and thetypes of fighting. I believe someone was working on a new version of that thread.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Grifter posted:

I too would like to see more MMA threads. We need to stop posting everything in the monthly threads and break out separate discussion more often, like we did for the 151 debacle. I'm going to start a gif thread to help with this. I used to check out the zombie prophet posts and get my gifs there but since that got shut down there isn't a good place to find collected gifs that I know of so I think a thread here would be popular.
Helping new people get into MMA was one of the purposes of the MMA Q&A thread originally. It's massively out of date now, but anything in there that isn't immediate in nature is still accurate - the stuff about the rules and thetypes of fighting. I believe someone was working on a new version of that thread.

Need to mention this is the first time I've seen your (new?) avatar and I busted up laughing.

Hell we could do a whole thing on the MMA equivalent of the mid-carders that keep it afloat, or the rising stars, for example guys like Rory MacDonald, Chris Weidman and the Korean Zombie who everyone needs to know but a large portion of the general population would not (TKZ is a brilliant gateway drug for MMA) or the Brian Ebersole's, Joey Beltran's, Fabio Maldonaldo's and Mark Bocek's of the world who are the "you must be this tall to enter" gatekeepers who will never be at the top of any card but you need to fight them and no matter what they're going to be real entertaining.

Julio Cesar Fatass
Jul 24, 2007

YES!
YES!
YES!


I know I have a hell of a hard time keeping midcarders straight except in HW. Having a thread for why we should care about Mark Bocek or Joe Lauzon would do a lot to make it easier to get fired up when they have a fight.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Julio Cesar Fatass posted:

I know I have a hell of a hard time keeping midcarders straight except in HW. Having a thread for why we should care about Mark Bocek or Joe Lauzon would do a lot to make it easier to get fired up when they have a fight.

Knew I forgot someone.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


I do like the idea of Give a Hoot threads for cool fighters.

Paul Pot
Mar 4, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


SNARF SNARF SNARF posted:

Less rules, more shitposters, more fun.

Brasseye
Feb 13, 2009


Lid posted:

When MMA got put in here one of my favourite threads was the mixed martial artists who are as hosed up as professional wrestler gimmicks and even now the Agony and Ecstasy of Fedor/Ducking Overeem/Ducking Heavyweight/Ducking UFC/Ducking James Thompson thread is one of the better threads.

I looked through the fedor ducking thread and really enjoyed it, do you have a link for that first thread you mentioned?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Brasseye posted:

I looked through the fedor ducking thread and really enjoyed it, do you have a link for that first thread you mentioned?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3386340

Several of those mentioned could survive on their own threads, The Diaz's and Genki Sudo within the first three posts.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He'll finally get a ring!


The volume of Wrestling threads seems to push some of the smaller MMA threads off. There was a MMA Twitter thread, that Bizzare Fighters thread, the old MMA gif thread, etc. I don't know how to not have things get lost other than bumping or sticky.

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 9, 2009

Half Dog.

Half Horse.

All Awesome.

MMA seems to have a hell of a time staying on page 1 (which is what they're saying ^) either because of structure or because there's more wrestling fans or for whatever reason. I dunno what you'd really do about that though other than maybe advertise in the other forums to attract a more mixed variety fanbase of posters? You know, like GWS has done for the ICSAs and whatnot, to attract fresh blood.

It's not that PSP is insular or anything, it's just, maybe people are missing out on it and don't really realize that PSP isn't (and hasn't been) just wrestling for a while now?

Do you MMA guys not have use for GDTs often? Like, I looked back through the past couple of weeks and I only saw two. I have no idea what you guys' schedule is like, but a hell of a lot of our wrestlethreads are GDTs. We've got Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then at least two PPVs a month that get GDTs. Sometimes we don't have wednesday and thursday threads, but even if not, that's still two a week.

Brasseye
Feb 13, 2009


Lid posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3386340

Several of those mentioned could survive on their own threads, The Diaz's and Genki Sudo within the first three posts.

Thanks, I love this thread so far. Especially the write ups of Imanari and Igor Vovchanchyn

Fat Twitter Man
Jan 24, 2007

yeh. I feel good.

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

MMA seems to have a hell of a time staying on page 1 (which is what they're saying ^) either because of structure or because there's more wrestling fans or for whatever reason. I dunno what you'd really do about that though other than maybe advertise in the other forums to attract a more mixed variety fanbase of posters? You know, like GWS has done for the ICSAs and whatnot, to attract fresh blood.

It's not that PSP is insular or anything, it's just, maybe people are missing out on it and don't really realize that PSP isn't (and hasn't been) just wrestling for a while now?

Do you MMA guys not have use for GDTs often? Like, I looked back through the past couple of weeks and I only saw two. I have no idea what you guys' schedule is like, but a hell of a lot of our wrestlethreads are GDTs. We've got Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then at least two PPVs a month that get GDTs. Sometimes we don't have wednesday and thursday threads, but even if not, that's still two a week.

There are GDTs for every UFC event, but they only do ~35 a year, so that's only one every week or two. There are also threads for TUF seasons, but that doesn't run year-round. Non-UFC events rarely generate enough discussion to have their own threads.

What we could do is maybe have a thread talking about whatever old UFC/Pride shows are running on FuelTV? I don't have Fuel because apparently it doesn't exist, but I think they show old UFC cards pretty much daily like Spike used to, and that would probably make a good intro to the sport.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He'll finally get a ring!


efb by above, I suggested a Best of Pride thread back in the day but maybe we should try again.

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

MMA seems to have a hell of a time staying on page 1 (which is what they're saying ^) either because of structure or because there's more wrestling fans or for whatever reason. I dunno what you'd really do about that though other than maybe advertise in the other forums to attract a more mixed variety fanbase of posters? You know, like GWS has done for the ICSAs and whatnot, to attract fresh blood.

It's not that PSP is insular or anything, it's just, maybe people are missing out on it and don't really realize that PSP isn't (and hasn't been) just wrestling for a while now?

Do you MMA guys not have use for GDTs often? Like, I looked back through the past couple of weeks and I only saw two. I have no idea what you guys' schedule is like, but a hell of a lot of our wrestlethreads are GDTs. We've got Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then at least two PPVs a month that get GDTs. Sometimes we don't have wednesday and thursday threads, but even if not, that's still two a week.

There are not multiple events per week like with TNA/WWE. We do have TUF coming up, but usually there are only a couple cards a month between free-ish tv and PPV. We could start making GDT for all the Bellator events, but I don't think they have the viewership?

MycroftXXX
May 10, 2006

A Liquor Never Brewed

I liked doing quasi effort posts for those terrible/awesome/hilarious mma fighters threads. I think I did one or two and I wouldn't mind doing more.

Other than that I think PSP is great. Newer MMA threads that are not the main ufc or b league threads do have a tendency to get buried though.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

MMA seems to have a hell of a time staying on page 1 (which is what they're saying ^) either because of structure or because there's more wrestling fans or for whatever reason. I dunno what you'd really do about that though other than maybe advertise in the other forums to attract a more mixed variety fanbase of posters? You know, like GWS has done for the ICSAs and whatnot, to attract fresh blood.

It's not that PSP is insular or anything, it's just, maybe people are missing out on it and don't really realize that PSP isn't (and hasn't been) just wrestling for a while now?

Do you MMA guys not have use for GDTs often? Like, I looked back through the past couple of weeks and I only saw two. I have no idea what you guys' schedule is like, but a hell of a lot of our wrestlethreads are GDTs. We've got Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then at least two PPVs a month that get GDTs. Sometimes we don't have wednesday and thursday threads, but even if not, that's still two a week.

Every UFC card gets a GDT, and the last Strikeforce card which happens this month will get one too, the issue is that there are very few of them. This month in total there will be three events and the first UFC one isn't for another nine days and is a really low end card talentwise and importance wise excluding the main event (however after that there is a FREE UFC card the week after that which has a card that is out of this world and then the week after that is a PPV card that is out of this world). In total however we can expect on average three GDTs total a month, and even that's a dramatic increase over a few years ago. A complaint thrown around last year even was people were getting burned out on too much UFC (might have been the year before it given last year was The Year of Injuries).

Edit: beaten, repeatedly, but let me emphasise again the January 26th card is FREE ON FOX AND EVERYONE SHOULD REALLY REALLY WATCH IT and the week after that is the first SuperFight since GSP v BJ Penn II in Jose Aldo v Frankie Edgar. There is a sizable and vocal fanbase for Frankie Edgar here for many many many good reasons. And by vocal fanbase I mean everyone here is a fan, we are also very vocal about it.

Lid fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2013 around 16:15

Grifter
Jul 24, 2003

I do this technique called a suplex. You probably haven't heard of it, it's pretty obscure.

Gif thread is up.

Lid posted:

Need to mention this is the first time I've seen your (new?) avatar and I busted up laughing.
Thanks, it is pretty new and I don't post that much so most people probably haven't seen it yet.

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

Do you MMA guys not have use for GDTs often? Like, I looked back through the past couple of weeks and I only saw two. I have no idea what you guys' schedule is like, but a hell of a lot of our wrestlethreads are GDTs. We've got Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then at least two PPVs a month that get GDTs. Sometimes we don't have wednesday and thursday threads, but even if not, that's still two a week.
Generally the UFC will have anywhere from 1-4 events a month, with the events ranging from "Fight Nights" (free on TV, lower quality of fighters) to PPVs (higher quality of fighters, usually where title fights take place.) Most of the time there are probably around two events a month, 1 PPV and 1 something else. There are also events from other orgs besides the UFC, but they are rarer and draw fewer posts. This is an overly long way of saying that yes, there are simply fewer GDTs for MMA than there are for wrestling.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Part of my training entailed getting the enemy to communicate.

Grifter posted:

Gif thread is up.

Thanks, it is pretty new and I don't post that much so most people probably haven't seen it yet.

Generally the UFC will have anywhere from 1-4 events a month, with the events ranging from "Fight Nights" (free on TV, lower quality of fighters) to PPVs (higher quality of fighters, usually where title fights take place.) Most of the time there are probably around two events a month, 1 PPV and 1 something else. There are also events from other orgs besides the UFC, but they are rarer and draw fewer posts. This is an overly long way of saying that yes, there are simply fewer GDTs for MMA than there are for wrestling.

This needs emphasising because if people are looking to get into MMA and watch the January 19th card on FX between Bisping and Belfort looking at the whole card would make people probably hate MMA. C.B. Dollaway? Gonzaga v Rothwell? Tavares v Nurmagomedov? I'd hate MMA if that was my introduction too. Meanwhile one week later on FOX one of the best cards ever will appear and then a week later one of the best PPVs ever but in MMA to outsiders separating an A-show from a B-show from a C-show (not leagues, just tiers) requires knowing a lot about the individuals fighting. We can't say "just watch fox shows" or "just fx" or "just fuel" because even though FUEL would be lowest on the totem pole it had the best fight of 2012 by a mile on one of the best cards (TKZ v Piirier) while FX had one of the worst main events ever (Maynard v Guida).

Edit: and I don't think any of us think Bisping v Belfort will be a barnburner by any stretch unless Belfort unleashes his inner Hendo and Bisping has never been in what could be called an epic for the ages either way.

Lid fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2013 around 16:22

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


kensei posted:

efb by above, I suggested a Best of Pride thread back in the day but maybe we should try again.


There are not multiple events per week like with TNA/WWE. We do have TUF coming up, but usually there are only a couple cards a month between free-ish tv and PPV. We could start making GDT for all the Bellator events, but I don't think they have the viewership?

I think a single Bellator Season X thread would work. Maybe one for SFL if they do weekly events again?

Rodney the Piper
Sep 19, 2005
Goodbye Cena.

I realize this will be kind of tough just to get a consensus, but would a graphic at the very top of a GDT showing how recommended it is for a newbie to watch the show as low/medium/high be a workable deal?

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Rodney the Piper posted:

I realize this will be kind of tough just to get a consensus, but would a graphic at the very top of a GDT showing how recommended it is for a newbie to watch the show as low/medium/high be a workable deal?

I'll try to do that on my GDTs (My GDTs are bad, pray Kensei makes them all), in addition to my bulleted list of "things to look for"

Low - Volkmann
Medium - Diego Sanchez
High - Frye vs Takayama

Those sound okay for indicators?

Fat Twitter Man
Jan 24, 2007

yeh. I feel good.

Rodney the Piper posted:

I realize this will be kind of tough just to get a consensus, but would a graphic at the very top of a GDT showing how recommended it is for a newbie to watch the show as low/medium/high be a workable deal?

You can probably just ask in the monthly UFC thread or GDT whether it's worth watching. This is just my opinion about the next few months.

Upcoming UFC shows (check http://www.mmajunkie.com/rumors for a current list:

January 19, UFC on FX 7: Bisping vs Belfort:
Eh. No really important fights and nothing guaranteed to be good.
Rated:


UFC on FOX 6: Johnson vs. Dodson (flyweight title)
WATCH THIS. DO IT. Fox cards sometimes lack star power compared to PPVs, but they go out of their way to make exciting matchups for casual fans. Every Fox card is worth watching even if you're not a big UFC fan.


February 2, UFC 156 (PPV): Aldo vs Edgar (featherweight title)
Pretty solid lineup overall, and the main event is guaranteed to be really good. It's a superfight that people have wanted to see for a while between probably the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world.
Rated:


UFC 157 (PPV): Rousey vs Carmouche (inaugural women's bantamweight title)
Card is still in the works, but looks pretty good. Also this will be the first women's fight in the UFC, so be a part of history.
Rated:


March 2nd, UFC on FUEL TV 8: Silva vs. Stann
Highly recommended. A lot of probably entertaining fights, especially Struve vs Hunt
Rated:



Edited in accordance with LobsterMobster's system.

Fat Twitter Man fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2013 around 17:01

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Flyweights on the main card always = Frye/Takayama, at least in theory.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He'll finally get a ring!


LobsterMobster posted:

Flyweights on the main card always = Frye/Takayama, at least in theory.

Free MMA is the Best MMA, almost always without exception.

Also you make great threads LobsterMobster

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Paul Pot
Mar 4, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


it should be noted that the flyweight champion has no intention of damaging his opponents and normal people (plus most fighters) think his fights are a boring waste of time before forgetting his name.

so just ignore the goon's funny gif post and watch ufc 156 because it's got a superfight between the best lightweight and the best featherweight as well as giant black men crushing brazilian cans. the reason only one of the title fights is shown on PPV happens to be that only fightnerds enjoy watching with how much technical finesse a midget can rack up points over 25 minutes.

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