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seiferguy posted:Seattle Times asked readers if they'd feel guilty if they stole Sacramento: the majority of Seattleites feeling some sort of remorse is actually pretty danged classy, but nice try?
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Jerry Steinfeld posted:Oklahoma homer here That's part of why the Hawk situation is so tragic. It's a good team that nobody watches.
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http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/10/51...le-reports.htmlquote:The team is $200 million in debt, and could lose between $6 million and $7 million during the current NBA season. The total debt number seems to go up every time there is a report about the Maloofs moving the team.
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Speculation on how the Maloof's ownership shares may come into play http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2013/...en-here-before/ quote:There is another little tidbit hiding in the current breakdown of Kings ownership that might come into play. According to our research, the Maloofs own 43 percent of the Kings and another 10-percent is controlled by their friend Bob Hernreich. They have a 53-percent voting block, which is strong enough to block any attempt by minority owners to seize control.
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WhyteRyce posted:The Maloofs used to pay full price for beverages (to serve at the arena) because they were operating without a deal in place with Pepsi or Coke because they were making too many ridiculous demands. No discounts or anything. They choose to eat the costs in order to protect the image of the brand or some poo poo like that. How does this work? Like I don't know how you get into a petty fight with giant anonymous companies like Coke and Pepsi?
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| # ? Jan 10, 2013 19:13 |
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Has the deal been done yet? Every source has something a little different.
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escape artist posted:Has the deal been done yet? Every source has something a little different. I think the chain thus far has been: 1. Hansen ownership group kicks over an initial deal 2. Maloofs give a tentative ok 3. Reports emerge that Kings are being sold 4. Maloofs freak out 5. KJ press conference saying Kings are for sale but nothing has happened yet.
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Femur posted:How does this work? Like I don't know how you get into a petty fight with giant anonymous companies like Coke and Pepsi? They just made ridiculous demands with the companies. I forget what exactly but I think it was along the lines of "we want a bunch of free poo poo" or "we want this all heavily discounted". Wasn't really a fight, just negotiations that probably made the company reps want to pull their hair out WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at Jan 10, 2013 around 19:21 |
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It seems like a terrible business move for the Seattle ownership group to be acquiring a franchise with over $100 billion in debt that's losing quadrillions of dollars a season, according to the Maloofs.
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Rick posted:I think 57% is the number of Thunder fans who will log on to the internet and start posting "gently caress you Seattle we got this team now!!" without any sort of provocation. I have no idea where you got that impression, given that nobody around here is doing that. People in Seattle should be happy. tallkidwithglasses posted:Pretty sure 57% of the population feeling some kind of bad about it is more than OKC in 2008. Well, as long as you're pretty sure.
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WhyteRyce posted:They just made ridiculous demands with the companies. I forget what exactly but I think it was along the lines of "we want a bunch of free poo poo" or "we want this all heavily discounted". Wasn't really a fight, just negotiations that probably made the company reps want to pull their hair out I didn't think it would be that stupid. "I didn't get my way so I am taking my ball and going home." These people once had a billion dollars.  But the story really illustrate why they are failures. edit I originally thought it was some kind of disagreement about displays or something since you mentioned branding. It takes a special kind of entitled spoiled kids to refuse a 5 dollar allowance because you wanted 10 Femur fucked around with this message at Jan 10, 2013 around 19:38 |
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Terry Glenn posted:Well, as long as you're pretty sure. The whole issue of shared history being A Thing in Seattle and a complete nonissue in OKC makes me suspect most fans of the new team see it more as an expansion than as a stolen franchise.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:The whole issue of shared history being A Thing in Seattle and a complete nonissue in OKC makes me suspect most fans of the new team see it more as an expansion than as a stolen franchise. As someone who is a fan of 2 expansion teams (Suns, D'backs) and 2 relocated teams (Coyotes, Cardinals) I don't care 2 craps about things that happened in Winnipeg/St Louis/Chicago. I hate that the Cardinals kept their name when they moved here. Sure you can see Cardinals in the PHX area, but its certainly not something associated with it. If they wanted to be named for a non threatening bird it should've been the Wrens or Roadrunners. I always think its dumb when Im at a Cardinals game and see Dick "Night Train" Lane in the ring of honor, Im sure he was great an all, but what the hell do I or any Phoenician know about him? There's no connection. I see people taking pictures of the Aneas Williams and Pat Tillman signs, not the ones from Stl/Chicago. Sports are one of the last great bastions of civic pride. I wish there was a gentlemen's agreement to leave record books, colors and team nicknames with the cities that get left behind, just so if luck every does turn around and they get another team, they can use that history. I.E. if Virginia Beach ever did somehow get a team, Id hope they'd be called "The Squires." Or as Atom & His Package more succinctly put it "there's no Jazz in Utah and few lakes in L-A."
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tallkidwithglasses posted:The whole issue of shared history being A Thing in Seattle and a complete nonissue in OKC makes me suspect most fans of the new team see it more as an expansion than as a stolen franchise. I can see why people in Seattle were/are disgusted by the shared history thing, but I think people in Oklahoma City were pretty uneasy with it too. There's nothing for the Thunder fans or the Thunder organization to really say or do about it. Giving out Detlef Schrempf bobbleheads or hoisting a 1979 Championship banner in OKC would be pretty silly and pointless antagonistic. I lived in Oklahoma for 3 years after the Thunder arrived, and I think people felt guilty. That didn't stop them from being excited about a pro sports team showing up, which I don't hold against them.
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Femur posted:I didn't think it would be that stupid. "I didn't get my way so I am taking my ball and going home." These people once had a billion dollars. Up until their disastrous 17-win season, the president of the Kings refused to discount Kings tickets. Even for promotions. His justification was that discounting tickets would cheapen the premium brand that the Kings were trying to project. To him, empty, unsold seats did less damage to the team than selling the seats at a discount. It wasn't until they were losing insane amounts of money and taking on massive NBA loans that they decided they finally need to change their stance and fire that guy. Now the team runs nice promos and discounts all the time just to get people in the arena. Also this was about the same time they finally got a beverage deal and stopped being dicks. You could blame this on just the former president, but BRANDING they've been pushing since forever. They really are mini-Trumps WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at Jan 10, 2013 around 20:02 |
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WhyteRyce posted:Up until their disastrous 17-win season, the president of the Kings refused to discount Kings tickets. Even for promotions. His justification was that discounting tickets would cheapen the premium brand that the Kings were trying to project. To him, empty, unsold seats did less damage to the team than selling the seats at a discount. It wasn't until they were losing insane amounts of money and taking on NBA loans that they decided they finally need to change their stance and fire that guy. Now the team runs nice promos and discounts all the time just to get people in the arena. Also this was about the same time they finally got a beverage deal and stopped being dicks. Discounted tickets? that's insane, the Sacramento Kings are a premium brand. No we haven't made the playoffs in 3 years. Yes we still play in arco arena, what's your point
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Well the team might or might not be moving, but at least it hasn't stooped to "Buy season tickets this year, get next year's free!"
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Terry Glenn posted:I have no idea where you got that impression, given that nobody around here is doing that. People in Seattle should be happy. I think I'll be cool with it, just annoyed that OKC got Kevin Durant after we drafted him in the first place 
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Terry Glenn posted:I can see why people in Seattle were/are disgusted by the shared history thing, but I think people in Oklahoma City were pretty uneasy with it too. There's nothing for the Thunder fans or the Thunder organization to really say or do about it. Giving out Detlef Schrempf bobbleheads or hoisting a 1979 Championship banner in OKC would be pretty silly and pointless antagonistic. I lived in Oklahoma for 3 years after the Thunder arrived, and I think people felt guilty. That didn't stop them from being excited about a pro sports team showing up, which I don't hold against them. So if Sacramento moves to Seattle, and the new Supersonics have both histories, does it mean the 2005 first round was officially the Seattle SuperSonics against the SuperSonics/OKC?
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The Maloofs hired a catering company that put sour cream in my guacamole. That is the most egregious crime of them all.
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Lockback posted:So if Sacramento moves to Seattle, and the new Supersonics have both histories, does it mean the 2005 first round was officially the Seattle SuperSonics against the SuperSonics/OKC? That.....is actually how it works, yes. e: The Kings history might end when the team moves though.
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Kevin Johnson was exploring keeping the Kings name and history during the Anaheim debacle. I'm sure the league would throw us those bread crumbs if it came to that
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WhyteRyce posted:You could blame this on just the former president, but BRANDING they've been pushing since forever. They really are mini-Trumps Gotcha. Perfectly normal for idiots like these to be conned by slick MBA speak through. Like those condos.. So I guess it sucks they own your team, but they're just idiots, and didn't really set out to ruin your team. If they were luckier idiots, you'll be complaining about bad contracts instead. edit: You would be better off if they were mini-Trumps. They violated the most basic poo poo. Never spend your own money. Femur fucked around with this message at Jan 10, 2013 around 20:33 |
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I long for the days that the worst thing Kings fans had to worry about was Kenny Thomas's 50 year, $100 billion contract.
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The King county Kings
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BRB MAKIN BACON posted:The King county Kings There was a full second where I was picturing Kings County. Like Hanford and poo poo.
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Terry Glenn posted:I have no idea where you got that impression, given that nobody around here is doing that. People in Seattle should be happy. You must not have been reading the gameday thread during the Finals last year or have selective memory.
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I already don't like the new Sonics fans.
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Why don't they buy the Hawks instead? The league should really be trying to facilitate that instead. Do people think this would be happening if the Kings had won the title in 2002? Obviously the Maloofs would still be morons, but would it have spurred on a new stadium deal faster or played a role in other factors?
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Gendo posted:I already don't like the new Sonics fans. I don't think you like any Seattle fans, Gendo 
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seiferguy posted:I don't think you like any Seattle fans, Gendo
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Rick posted:You must not have been reading the gameday thread during the Finals last year or have selective memory. Oh, I assumed you were talking about the present. I don't know about ~playoff posters~, they should probably be ignored regardless of team allegiance.
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Maloofs apparently want to still have a say in how team is run after sale http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/...nt-a-say-in-how
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WhyteRyce posted:Maloofs apparently want to still have a say in how team is run after sale Kings aren't going to Seattle 
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They don't seem to understand what it means to sell the team.
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"Hey, thanks for offering us like half a billion dollars for this franchise we ran down to the ground. By the way, we want to use the Championship trophies when you fix and win with the team as our butt plugs. Huuuur" -Maloofs
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Lockback posted:They don't seem to understand what it means to sell the team. Yes I'll let you give me money as long as I get to keep ownership, sure why not
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WhyteRyce posted:Maloofs apparently want to still have a say in how team is run after sale This is the stupidest thing.
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So what I'm getting from this is that the Maloofs are all dumb as hell except when it comes to finding new ways to piss away their daddy's fortune.
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Frank McCourt still owns the parking lots when the Dodgers were sold, anything can happen!
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