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I'll go ahead and make a new HOF thread, since this news got buried in the N/V thread, and more threads are a good thing! Anyway, the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced their 15 finalists for the 2013 class. To get enshrined, a person needs at least 80% of the vote. The Selection Committee can elect a minimum of four men but no more than seven. With a strong class of first-time candidates, this year's ballot is even more crowded than usual. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Larry Allen--Offensive Guard--Dallas Cowboys 1994-2005, San Francisco 49ers 2006-07--First-time candidate Jerome Bettis--Running Back--Los Angeles Rams 1993-94, Pittsburgh Steelers 1995-2005--third year on final ballot Tim Brown--Wide Receiver--Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders 1988-2003, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2004--fourth year on final ballot Cris Carter--Wide Receiver--Philadelphia Eagles 1987-89, Minnesota Vikings 1990-2001, Miami Dolphins 2002--sixth year on final ballot Edward DeBartolo, Jr.--Team Owner--San Francisco 49ers 1977-2000--second year on final ballot Kevin Greene--Outside Linebacker--Los Angeles Rams 1985-1992, Pittsburgh Steelers 1993-95, Carolina Panthers 1996, San Francisco 49ers 1997, Carolina Panthers 1998-99--second year on final ballot Charles Haley--Defensive End--San Francisco 49ers 1986-91, Dallas Cowboys 1992-96, San Francisco 49ers 1998-99--fourth year on final ballot Art Modell--Team Owner--Cleveland Browns 1961-95, Baltimore Ravens 1996-2004--first year on final ballot Jonathan Ogden--Offensive Tackle--Baltimore Ravens 1996-2007--first-time candidate Bill Parcells--Head Coach/General Manager--New York Giants 1983-90, New England Patriots 1993-96, New York Jets 1997-99, Dallas Cowboys 2003-06--second year on final ballot Andre Reed--Wide Receiver--Buffalo Bills 1985-99, Washington Redskins 2000--seventh year on final ballot Warren Sapp--Defensive Tackle--Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1995-2003, Oakland Raiders 2004-07--first-time candidate Will Shields--Offensive Guard--Kansas City Chiefs 1993-2006--second year on final ballot Michael Strahan--Defensive End--New York Giants 1993-2007--first-time candidate Aeneas Williams--Cornerback--Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals 1991-2000, St. Louis Rams 2001-04 In addition to the above candidates, Curley Culp and Dave Robinson were nominated by the Senior Committee. The final vote will take place on February 2, and the induction ceremony is scheduled for August 3. I'm actually looking forward to the voting process here--it's one of the deepest ballots in years. The Football HOF has some problems--there's still too much emphasis on skill positions and RINGZ, which is why I think Shields will get screwed again--but it's not nearly the clusterfuck the Baseball HOF is. The minimum requirement of inductees spares us the embarrassment the BBWAA just gave us earlier this week, usually guaranteeing a good time when fans flock to Canton in early August to cheer on their heroes and watch a pointless exhibition game. Now let's go argue about Jerome Bettis.
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It might not be the clusterfuck that Baseball's Hall of Fame is but they very clearly have to expand to more than 5 inductees a year especially considering they lump all front office and builders of the game together.
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Modell should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He won't however be in the Businessman Hall of Fame.
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| # ? Jan 11, 2013 22:40 |
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Cantons in Ohio though. That would be an interesting induction ceremony.
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Parlett316 posted:Modell should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The worst opinion. Because of Modell's poo poo he destroyed football for people like my father, who said it's not been the same since that poo poo went down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNnmmZI-v4 And let me add, if Baltimore fans want him so badly, then how about we have Bob Irsay inducted as hell.
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If Modell gets in Browns fans will burn Canton to the ground. Reminder that they had to cancel his moment of silence in Cleveland because it was a lost cause.
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No way in hell should Art be getting in. I mean taking the emotion out of it completely, let's look at the Pros and Cons as if I were not a Browns fan. Pros: 1) Did a lot to kick start the TV deals we have today 2) Agreed to move to the AFC allowing the merger 3) Was an owner for a long time. Not sure why this should matter, but I'm not stupid enough to think it doesn't. Cons: 1) 1 championship in 30 years, and not even with "his" people. He vultured it from Paul Brown. 2) 10 playoff seasons in 30 years? Terrible results on the field. 3) Somehow went bankrupt despite always selling out the stadium. 4) Was too greedy to take part in the Gateway project, and instead decided to move the team rather than share stadium revenue. 5) After fighting Al Davis regarding franchise free agency for years, did the same himself, putting the entire league in an ugly position. 6) Fired two HOF coaches in Cleveland. 7) Managed to go broke yet again even after the Ravens won a Super Bowl. Honestly I think that if the NFL wants him in bad enough to put up with the complete cluster gently caress his induction ceremony would become, they would be wise to wait until the year after the Browns have won a Super Bowl. By then all of us who remember "the move" will be dead, or in a much more forgiving mood.
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FuzzySkinner posted:The worst opinion. Because of Modell's poo poo he destroyed football for people like my father, who said it's not been the same since that poo poo went down. Modell did more for the game than Irsay so it's comparing dogs to horses. HarlanHell posted:Pros: And this is why he will get in eventually.
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Parlett316 posted:And this is why he will get in eventually. It'd be like putting Jerry Sandusky into the PSU athletic hall of fame like 5 years down the road after all the dust has settled. "He completely destroyed our school's reputation" "..So? He helped coached them to a win in the 87 Fiesta Bowl!"
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FuzzySkinner posted:It'd be like putting Jerry Sandusky into the PSU athletic hall of fame like 5 years down the road after all the dust has settled.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:Actually, that's a pretty severe exaggeration that doesn't work much at all. Maybe severe, but the point is, him moving the Browns out of town pretty much trumps any sort of accomplishment he ever had as an owner.
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Don Coryell continues to get screwed.
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| # ? Jan 11, 2013 22:56 |
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The last naked warrior needs to be in the hall. Not a bust of his face, though. Just his wang.
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Serious post, Charles Haley needs to get in. Just for the induction speech.
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I was 100% sincere in my post. It is as he would want it.
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FuzzySkinner posted:It'd be like putting Jerry Sandusky into the PSU athletic hall of fame like 5 years down the road after all the dust has settled. OK well I see that you are going to compare a guy who wasn't the greatest businessman to a condemned child predator. Good job ace.
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| # ? Jan 11, 2013 23:04 |
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Larry Allen deserves to make it into the hall of fame based off of him running down a linebacker and preventing a pick 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcWMC9vkZg
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Mr. Nice! posted:The last naked warrior needs to be in the hall. Not a bust of his face, though. Just his wang. I love the NFL and consider myself a bit of a trivia buff so naturally I couldn't believe that I had never heard of "the last naked warrior." Well thank goodness I live in the internet age. I'll just type this into Google and... 
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Parlett316 posted:OK well I see that you are going to compare a guy who wasn't the greatest businessman to a condemned child predator. Good job ace.  not like I was the first to do it.
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| # ? Jan 11, 2013 23:10 |
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If Jerome Bettis gets in over Cris Carter then that will really be a shame.
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| # ? Jan 11, 2013 23:11 |
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Will Shields owns and was part of the best O-Line in history, sooooooo
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Jeffry Dahmer
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Ehud posted:If Jerome Bettis gets in then that will really be a shame.
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Parmesan Basil posted:Will Shields owns and was part of the best O-Line in history, sooooooo Gonna be another year of waiting for him I think, although I still hope he'll get in eventually.
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The fact that Tony Boselli will never get into the Hall of Fame continues to be something of a travesty.
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Dr. Kevorkian gets a bad wrap in the media, and shouldn't be anywhere near the other low lives on that ladies list.
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JT Jag posted:The fact that Tony Boselli will never get into the Hall of Fame continues to be something of a travesty.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:He only played 91 games in his career, I don't think it's that bad. Terrelle Davis is getting closer and closer to the HoF and had all of 4 healthy (and ever more dominant) seasons. Not unreasonable to see Bos get in eventually either. Not saying I particularly agree that either or both of them should or should not get in, but most sports HoFs are far more considering than the clusterfuck shithole that is the BBWAA.
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Ehud posted:If Jerome Bettis gets in over Cris Carter then that will really be a shame. Holy gently caress your new av. Does it say FMT on the helmet?
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Mr. Nice! posted:Holy gently caress your new av. Does it say FMT on the helmet? Fart. Visit the farthouse folks: 
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Ogden or  There hasn't been an offensive lineman of his caliber up for the hall since Munoz and I don't see anyone else as dominant at their position on this year's ballot, not even Allen or Strahan.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:He only played 91 games in his career, I don't think it's that bad. Yes, I am a Jaguar fan. No, not a single statement is exaggeration or homerism. Boselli was that good.
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Jerome Bettis and Art Modell should get in. I desire chaos.
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Jerome Bettis was awesome, and so what if he had a low YPC? He was a short-yardage back, idiots!
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He should get in just for that time where he brutally murdered Brian Urlacher in the snow.
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Bettis is weird really. If he gets in, its not really about his stats so much as his ability to make everyone go "Holy poo poo " a few plays per game.
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Still no Don Coryell? Yeah, gently caress the Hall
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I could see Warren Sapp, Bill Parcells, Cris Carter, Charles Haley and Andre Reed. If I could replace two of those names with Don Coryell and Jim Marshall I would.
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Fenrir posted:Ogden or He was a really great player. It's a shame we never built a dominant line around him and for most of his career he was the lone(extremely) bright spot on awful units with guys like Mike Flynn and Kipp Vickers. We almost had Will Shields though one offseason in the early 00s. It was even announced he signed with the Ravens but then he changed his mind or something and went back to the Chiefs.
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How does one get to be a Senior Committee nominee? I could see Ray Guy and Steve Tasker getting in that way eventually.
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